Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"?
I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting the foil or the forestay. I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added drama of a wildly flapping jib. Is there an obvious reason for this? Robert H. 1989 C&C 30 MKII___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"?
Hi Robert, You should also consider taking a look at your Forestay tension. That goes hand in had with the halyards comments.. Basically, if the forestay is too loose can cause the foils to become bowed or "elliptical" (That's the term Harken uses)especially when there's a load on the jib. Here's their Youtube video explaning the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzcHvxBCjF8 You probably know this but I'll add anyway. About furling with a load on the jib: My rule of thumb is: Assuming everything is in order as long as you can furl it by hand / not use a winch you should be fine... If you use a winch to furl and there is an issue you can twist / ruin your foil. Last year I had an issue where when we re-did the Spin halyards.. While the mast was down my well intentioned rigger suggested we should go ahead and install a halyard wrap preventer. He was positive that was the thing to do on a C&C. When I got the boat back on the water, the furler issues started right away: The foil was getting tangled in the halyard because of the angle created by the preventer.. (That was the exact opposite of the the preventer was supposed to do) The fix was to remove the preventer and leave it as C&C / Offshore Spars designed it. We figured it out by using binoculars to observe what was actually happening. Did you perchance install a preventer to "Improve" your masthead? Good luck with it. Best Regards, -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA From: RPH via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:08 AM Subject: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"? I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense.? I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting the foil or the forestay.? I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again.? Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added drama of a wildly flapping jib.? Is there an obvious reason for this?? Robert H.1989 C&C 30 MKII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"?
Is there something at the masthead getting caught in the furler, by any chance? Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 16 April 2015 at 22:08, RPH via CnC-List wrote: > I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the > furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler > wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. > > I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting > the foil or the forestay. > > I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. > > Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail > while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added > drama of a wildly flapping jib. > > Is there an obvious reason for this? > > Robert H. > 1989 C&C 30 MKII > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"?
Hi Robert, The common causes of furler madness is halyard too tight, halyard too loose or halyard lead too shallow. A poor halyard lead is the most cause of furler nonperformance. The most common solution is to install a fairlead as the halyard comes out of the box at the masthead. I had a similar problem to yours and everything went fine since I added a shackle to the jib tack, which allows the swivel to go a bit higher and steepen the halyard lead. You must do something as that is a very bad situation to sail with. Search out "halyard wrap and other furler horror stories". It simply will not work as is and you could break it in a blow by forcing things to furl. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 east side, Vancouver Island At 10:08 PM 16/04/2015, you wrote: I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting the foil or the forestay. I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added drama of a wildly flapping jib. Is there an obvious reason for this? Robert H. 1989 C&C 30 MKII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"?
Check if its your spinnaker halyard getting caught on the top of your headsail. Try tying off the unused spin halyard away from the mast to the shrouds before clipping it to the the mast collar. I had the same issue on my 30-2 before I figured it out. Allan Drumroll30 Mk II From: RPH via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:08 AM Subject: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"? I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting the foil or the forestay. I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added drama of a wildly flapping jib. Is there an obvious reason for this? Robert H.1989 C&C 30 MKII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"?
RH, The furler should roll up by hand. Never use a winch to roll it up. I learned this the hard way when I first installed my furler. I allowed a spin halyard to get caught in the sail as I rolled it up, and then when it jambed, I used a winch to finish the roll. Bad. The line caught the schackle of the genoa halyard and ripped the plastic trim cap off the top of the extrusion and cracked the end of the extrusion. Lesson learned: Remove any spin halyards from in front of the mast, flip them over the top spreader and clip to a loop of line behind the chainplate turnbuckles. Make it a rule: never winch a furling line. Also check lines that can jamb the furling drum: leech lines in the foot of the sail, the small line for the prefeeder, etc. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "Allan Rheaume via CnC-List" To: "RPH" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 5:26:30 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"? Check if its your spinnaker halyard getting caught on the top of your headsail. Try tying off the unused spin halyard away from the mast to the shrouds before clipping it to the the mast collar. I had the same issue on my 30-2 before I figured it out. Allan Drumroll 30 Mk II From: RPH via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:08 AM Subject: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"? I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting the foil or the forestay. I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added drama of a wildly flapping jib. Is there an obvious reason for this? Robert H. 1989 C&C 30 MKII ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"?
Do you have a halyard restrainer? Get a pair of binoculars and look at the top of the mast. Is the halyard wrapping around the forestay? Harken recommends at least a 7 degree divergence between halyard and forestay. If the halyard runs close to and parallel with the forestay there is potential for it to wrap. How long since you flushed the swivel and drum bearings? Do you sail in salt water environment? Drop the sail and liberally wash the swivel and drum bearings with fresh water. Spray the drum from underneath. If you have it, spray some Sailkote McLube into the bearings. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:08 AM, RPH via CnC-List wrote: > I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the > furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler > wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. > > I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting > the foil or the forestay. > > I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. > > Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail > while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added > drama of a wildly flapping jib. > > Is there an obvious reason for this? > > Robert H. > 1989 C&C 30 MKII > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"?
>From all the advice there are several possible issues. I'd suggest starting by trying to diagnose the source - gradually eliminate possible causes. Can you furl the sail by hand? If doing it by hand resolves the problem then your issue lies with the line and lead. If no improvement then something is blocking the furler. Try removing the sail - if the furler spins easily with no sail then you know its something about the sail that is causing the problem (halyard, sag etc). I had problems with my furler on my last boat - some advice helped me figure out that my backstay was too loose - as I wrapped my big Genoa the weight would sag the furler/forestay and make it difficult to wrap the last 1/3. Finally I learned to crank some tension on the back stay before I started furling the sail. Mark On April 17, 2015 9:53:01 AM ADT, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" wrote: >Do you have a halyard restrainer? Get a pair of binoculars and look at >the >top of the mast. Is the halyard wrapping around the forestay? Harken >recommends at least a 7 degree divergence between halyard and forestay. > If >the halyard runs close to and parallel with the forestay there is >potential >for it to wrap. > >How long since you flushed the swivel and drum bearings? Do you sail >in >salt water environment? Drop the sail and liberally wash the swivel >and >drum bearings with fresh water. Spray the drum from underneath. If >you >have it, spray some Sailkote McLube into the bearings. > >Dennis C. >Touche' 35-1 #83 >Mandeville, LA > >On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 12:08 AM, RPH via CnC-List > >wrote: > >> I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, >the >> furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the >furler >> wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. >> >> I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was >twisting >> the foil or the forestay. >> >> I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling >again. >> >> Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail >> while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the >added >> drama of a wildly flapping jib. >> >> Is there an obvious reason for this? >> >> Robert H. >> 1989 C&C 30 MKII >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > > > > >___ > >Email address: >CnC-List@cnc-list.com >To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >bottom of page at: >http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Dr. Mark Bodnar -- Bedford Chiropractic ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"?
What a great resource this list is! I went to the boat today. I have a pennant on my jib and, sighting with binoculars, I could see that I do have a fairlead for the halyard at the top of the mast. Anyway, I think my problem was too little backstay / forestay tension. After tensioning the backstay, furling was smooth. Thanks to everyone for all the tips. Robert H. 1989 C&C 30 MKII Original message From: RPH via CnC-List Date: 04-16-2015 10:08 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Why does my furler get "hung up"? I just bent on my main and jib this evening. While furling my jib, the furler (Harken) seemed to get caught up somehow. It was as if the furler wanted to unwind a little, if that makes sense. I know that my jib sheets were not fouled. It felt as if I was twisting the foil or the forestay. I managed to furl by repeatedly backing off and gingerly furling again. Anyway, I'm asking because this happened to me last summer under sail while I was trying to reef. The situation was as above, but with the added drama of a wildly flapping jib. Is there an obvious reason for this? Robert H. 1989 C&C 30 MKII___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
