Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34
I own a 1979 34 CC which has an Atomic 4 engine. I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. Also, I would like to know what other owners of CC's with Atomic 4 engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the CC Owners's Manual. Do most owners fog the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. Any advice would be very helpful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34
Bernard, I can’t answer for the T-stat issue, but as far as fogging is concerned I use fogging oil. It comes in a spray can and a single can will last a long, long time. It works on both diesel and gas engines. It is far more precise than pouring oil into the carb. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Toews via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 2:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34 I own a 1979 34 CC which has an Atomic 4 engine. I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. Also, I would like to know what other owners of CC's with Atomic 4 engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the CC Owners's Manual. Do most owners fog the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. Any advice would be very helpful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34
I have an Atomic 4. Love it, by the way. Yes, run motor until up to normal operating temp before introducing anti-freeze. Otherwise you are just winterizing the manifold, silencer, pump and riser. I fog with a spray can of engine fog and then take out each spark plug and spray the fogging oil into the top of the cylinder through the spark plug hole. I then crank the engine briefly and re-install the plugs. I change the oil while it is still warm I make sure the batteries are fully charged and full of acid, disconnect them and leave them in the boat. Charged batteries don’t mind the cold at all. I also change my fuel filters while I’m in there but that is just me. I like to set up for turn-key starting in the spring. This all assumes you run with treated gas Burt From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Toews via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 2:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34 I own a 1979 34 CC which has an Atomic 4 engine. I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. Also, I would like to know what other owners of CC's with Atomic 4 engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the CC Owners's Manual. Do most owners fog the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. Any advice would be very helpful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34
Hi Bernard, If raw water cooled it is recommneded to remove thermostat beofre anti-freeze step. See note at cooling section. http://www.moyermarine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525 Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 racing tomorrow, forecast is for 20 knots S/E wind, we can hope At 11:51 AM 01/11/2014, you wrote: I own a 1979 34 CC which has an Atomic 4 engine. I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens.  Also, I would like to know what other owners of CC's with Atomic 4 engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the CC Owners's Manual. Do most owners fog the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. Any advice would be very helpful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34
Most of the plumbing antifreeze that is sold around here is mainly denatured alcohol, and alcohol can be hard on the rubber parts in your water pump. If you can find plumbing antifreeze based on propylene glycol it should be ok. If you can't find it, then regular engine antifreeze is designed to be rubber compatable, and I would at least get some in as far as the water pump, environment or not. For now I am using the last of my low tox propylene glycol based engine antifreeze. It is no longer for sale around here, so when that is gone I will just use regular engine antifreeze. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Bernard Toews via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 2:51 PM Subject: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34 I own a 1979 34 CC which has an Atomic 4 engine. I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. Also, I would like to know what other owners of CC's with Atomic 4 engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the CC Owners's Manual. Do most owners fog the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. Any advice would be very helpful. -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34
Bernard, Your antifreeze should be fine if your engine has the typical heat exchanger . With the heat exchanger, raw water is drawn from a thuhull and a strainer and the raw water pump circulates that water through a heat exhanger, is injected into the mixing elbow of the exhaust hose where it mixes and goes into a lift mufler where it quiets and cools the exhaust gasses. Back to the heat exchanger: a separate pump pushes a 50:50 mix of tap water and glycol through the engine walls and through the thermostat and through the heat exchanger. The thermostat throttles the antifreeze water and not the raw water. If your engine is missing the heat exchanger, you have a raw water cooled engine, which means you do have to warm it up before inducing the antifreeze protection. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 2:51:16 PM Subject: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34 I own a 1979 34 CC which has an Atomic 4 engine. I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. Also, I would like to know what other owners of CC's with Atomic 4 engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the CC Owners's Manual. Do most owners fog the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. Any advice would be very helpful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34
Only thing I can add is that I would never run tap water through an engine. I try to always use distilled water antifreeze mix. From my Android phone Original message From: Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 11/01/2014 3:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Bernard Toews bernieto...@gmail.com,CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34 Bernard, Your antifreeze should be fine if your engine has the typical heat exchanger. With the heat exchanger, raw water is drawn from a thuhull and a strainer and the raw water pump circulates that water through a heat exhanger, is injected into the mixing elbow of the exhaust hose where it mixes and goes into a lift mufler where it quiets and cools the exhaust gasses. Back to the heat exchanger: a separate pump pushes a 50:50 mix of tap water and glycol through the engine walls and through the thermostat and through the heat exchanger. The thermostat throttles the antifreeze water and not the raw water. If your engine is missing the heat exchanger, you have a raw water cooled engine, which means you do have to warm it up before inducing the antifreeze protection. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 2:51:16 PM Subject: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34 I own a 1979 34 CC which has an Atomic 4 engine. I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. Also, I would like to know what other owners of CC's with Atomic 4 engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the CC Owners's Manual. Do most owners fog the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. Any advice would be very helpful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34
+1 to Jake and Burt's comments. Some possible improvements are as follows. Roll the engine by hand while the plugs are removed...instead of pumping it with the starter. Hitting the starter can/will blow the fogging oil out. You just want to distribute the oil around the cylinders. Disconnect and plug both the air inlet and exhaust outlet. Even though I fogged mine last year I still got stuck rings in two of the 3 cylinders. My machine shop guy is confident that by keeping the boat in the water the boat's motion caused the loop seal in water muffler to push/pull air in and out of the engine. The changes in outdoor temperature, heating and cooling the engine, cause condensation on the inside cylinders despite the fogging oil. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 1, 2014 3:11 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have an Atomic 4. Love it, by the way. Yes, run motor until up to normal operating temp before introducing anti-freeze. Otherwise you are just winterizing the manifold, silencer, pump and riser. I fog with a spray can of engine fog and then take out each spark plug and spray the fogging oil into the top of the cylinder through the spark plug hole. I then crank the engine briefly and re-install the plugs. I change the oil while it is still warm I make sure the batteries are fully charged and full of acid, disconnect them and leave them in the boat. Charged batteries don't mind the cold at all. I also change my fuel filters while I'm in there but that is just me. I like to set up for turn-key starting in the spring. This all assumes you run with treated gas Burt *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bernard Toews via CnC-List *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2014 2:51 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34 I own a 1979 34 CC which has an Atomic 4 engine. I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. Also, I would like to know what other owners of CC's with Atomic 4 engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the CC Owners's Manual. Do most owners fog the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. Any advice would be very helpful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34
pulling the thermostat allows you to winterize the engine on the hard, and rapidly, with a gallon or two of antifreeze (assuming she's raw water cooled). I do this every year. Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: +1 to Jake and Burt's comments. Some possible improvements are as follows. Roll the engine by hand while the plugs are removed...instead of pumping it with the starter. Hitting the starter can/will blow the fogging oil out. You just want to distribute the oil around the cylinders. Disconnect and plug both the air inlet and exhaust outlet. Even though I fogged mine last year I still got stuck rings in two of the 3 cylinders. My machine shop guy is confident that by keeping the boat in the water the boat's motion caused the loop seal in water muffler to push/pull air in and out of the engine. The changes in outdoor temperature, heating and cooling the engine, cause condensation on the inside cylinders despite the fogging oil. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Nov 1, 2014 3:11 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have an Atomic 4. Love it, by the way. Yes, run motor until up to normal operating temp before introducing anti-freeze. Otherwise you are just winterizing the manifold, silencer, pump and riser. I fog with a spray can of engine fog and then take out each spark plug and spray the fogging oil into the top of the cylinder through the spark plug hole. I then crank the engine briefly and re-install the plugs. I change the oil while it is still warm I make sure the batteries are fully charged and full of acid, disconnect them and leave them in the boat. Charged batteries don’t mind the cold at all. I also change my fuel filters while I’m in there but that is just me. I like to set up for turn-key starting in the spring. This all assumes you run with treated gas Burt *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bernard Toews via CnC-List *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2014 2:51 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 CC 34 I own a 1979 34 CC which has an Atomic 4 engine. I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. Also, I would like to know what other owners of CC's with Atomic 4 engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the CC Owners's Manual. Do most owners fog the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. Any advice would be very helpful. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
