Re: Stus-List bottom paint > Vivid For Sale

[Harry Hallgring via CnC-List]

What color?

Harry
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> On Mar 12, 2015, at 07:09, Nauset Beach via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I have also used Micron 66 with great success for the past 6 years.  Changed 
> to it after years with VC Offshore when was more actively racing but VC’s 
> weekly cleanings and wet sanding prior to launch just became annoying. 
>  
> Had planned to try VIVID and bought 3 gallons as was going to be racing more 
> but have decided to stay with Micron 66. 
>  
> So I have 3 gal. of VIVID and 1 gal. of Pettit’s 120 solvent available for 
> sale at a very good price to any interested party. 
>  
> Please contact me off list:  nausetbeach  optonline.net
>  
> Brian
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight 
> veinot via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 5:43 PM
> To: Hoyt, Mike; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint
>  
> Mike
> 
> If I kept my boat in the northwest Arm I would go with Bob's experience...use 
> Micron 66 if you can get it...as you know Bob is quite meticulous about Azura 
> and he follows manufacturer's directions well...one year he had so much 
> growth on his prop (2 blade fixed) in late september that the boat had a hard 
> time making headway under power...the prop was foulded extremley bad...next 
> year Bob asked this list for advice with his prop fouling issue...I knew he 
> had such good results with Micron 66 on Azura's bottom so I suggested that if 
> he didn't mind having a painted black prop before launch rather than shiny 
> bronze he could just try painting it as well with Micron 66...I believe he 
> did paint the prop and achieved good results...something about the critters 
> in the Northwest Arm, very prolific... and somewhat resitant to normal copper 
> oxide toxins...Micron 66 might just have the right copper toxins and added 
> biocide for the moment...but those critters adapt to their environment so 
> this coming season may be different, anyway you have seen Azura with your own 
> eyes, think you could expect more than that from any paint.  Micon 66, Micron 
> CSC, Amercoat ABC 4 or???...if you are looking for more speed, look somewhere 
> esle for bigger gains, the performance of thse paints are quite similar...if 
> your boat's bottom is in top notch shape go for one with multiyear ablative 
> properties and do the job once ever 3-4 years instead of every year, like i 
> do.
> The copper oxide content is primarily resposnbile for the higher cost of some 
> antifouling paints and the better paints often weigh more per volume due to 
> higher copper oxide content
>  
> Yes I use Amercoat ABC 4 and like Mike Amirault says my boat spends the 
> summer on a mooring right at the head of the Bay, sort of brakish water, 
> shallow at about 12 feet and warm enough for swimming from mid june until 
> september...Amercoat works fine for me but I apply a thin coat (about 2 
> liters solvent diluted before spring launch every year) so one gallon does 
> about 2 years...no pressure wash after haulout and very little prep before 
> application before launch...I have used Micron CSC, expensive by comparison 
> and no noticebale difference...I use a very thin layer of black Amercoat over 
> blue Micron  CSC and no issues with adherence...I have noted that Mike's C&C 
> 33 MKII is very slippery as well
>  
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>  
>  
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Bob told me about Micron 66 repeatedly and showed me Azura bottom in 
> December.  It is how he described.
> I have used Micron CSC, VC Offshore and whatever came on our boat last year 
> (similar to CSC).  I would haul Nut Case at least three times per year (could 
> use a crane so was cheap).  1st time would be mid July at a race week after 
> in water for 1.5 months – bottom looked clean but scrubbed anyway. 2nd time 
> Labour day weekend at beginning September when we brought the boat back to 
> Halifax from its summer location on Northumberland Strait.  There would be 
> some slime and whatever it is that grows on the flat undersides in a star 
> shaped pattern.  Last haulout would be end of October in Halifax after 
> sitting on a mooring in NW Arm approx. 150 feet from Bob’s boat.  Would be 
> slime and also grass growing on the vertical surfaces.  This mattered not 
> weather Micron CSC or VC Offshore.
> Last year Persistence came with another manufacturer version of Micron CSC.  
> Was launched in June, hauled mid July to work on Transducers, hauled Sept 8 
> to work on propeller shaft, relaunched Sept 19 and hauled 1st week November.  
> Was dirty on each haulout.
> When I compare my experiences with Bob’s on Azura with Micron 66 I cannot 
> conceive using Micron CSC.  The pain of obtaining Micron 66 has made me 
> consider Ameron ABC #4 because a 1D35 in our area has been using for 10 years 
> and owners say it is closest th

Re: Stus-List bottom paint > Vivid For Sale

[Nauset Beach via CnC-List]

I have also used Micron 66 with great success for the past 6 years.  Changed to 
it after years with VC Offshore when was more actively racing but VC’s weekly 
cleanings and wet sanding prior to launch just became annoying.  

 

Had planned to try VIVID and bought 3 gallons as was going to be racing more 
but have decided to stay with Micron 66.  

 

So I have 3 gal. of VIVID and 1 gal. of Pettit’s 120 solvent available for sale 
at a very good price to any interested party.  

 

Please contact me off list:  nausetbeach  optonline.net

 

Brian

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight 
veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 5:43 PM
To: Hoyt, Mike; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List bottom paint

 

Mike

If I kept my boat in the northwest Arm I would go with Bob's experience...use 
Micron 66 if you can get it...as you know Bob is quite meticulous about Azura 
and he follows manufacturer's directions well...one year he had so much growth 
on his prop (2 blade fixed) in late september that the boat had a hard time 
making headway under power...the prop was foulded extremley bad...next year Bob 
asked this list for advice with his prop fouling issue...I knew he had such 
good results with Micron 66 on Azura's bottom so I suggested that if he didn't 
mind having a painted black prop before launch rather than shiny bronze he 
could just try painting it as well with Micron 66...I believe he did paint the 
prop and achieved good results...something about the critters in the Northwest 
Arm, very prolific... and somewhat resitant to normal copper oxide 
toxins...Micron 66 might just have the right copper toxins and added biocide 
for the moment...but those critters adapt to their environment so this coming 
season may be different, anyway you have seen Azura with your own eyes, think 
you could expect more than that from any paint.  Micon 66, Micron CSC, Amercoat 
ABC 4 or???...if you are looking for more speed, look somewhere esle for bigger 
gains, the performance of thse paints are quite similar...if your boat's bottom 
is in top notch shape go for one with multiyear ablative properties and do the 
job once ever 3-4 years instead of every year, like i do.

The copper oxide content is primarily resposnbile for the higher cost of some 
antifouling paints and the better paints often weigh more per volume due to 
higher copper oxide content

 

Yes I use Amercoat ABC 4 and like Mike Amirault says my boat spends the summer 
on a mooring right at the head of the Bay, sort of brakish water, shallow at 
about 12 feet and warm enough for swimming from mid june until 
september...Amercoat works fine for me but I apply a thin coat (about 2 liters 
solvent diluted before spring launch every year) so one gallon does about 2 
years...no pressure wash after haulout and very little prep before application 
before launch...I have used Micron CSC, expensive by comparison and no 
noticebale difference...I use a very thin layer of black Amercoat over blue 
Micron  CSC and no issues with adherence...I have noted that Mike's C&C 33 MKII 
is very slippery as well

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

d.ve...@bellaliant.net  

 

 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Bob told me about Micron 66 repeatedly and showed me Azura bottom in December.  
It is how he described.

I have used Micron CSC, VC Offshore and whatever came on our boat last year 
(similar to CSC).  I would haul Nut Case at least three times per year (could 
use a crane so was cheap).  1st time would be mid July at a race week after in 
water for 1.5 months – bottom looked clean but scrubbed anyway. 2nd time Labour 
day weekend at beginning September when we brought the boat back to Halifax 
from its summer location on Northumberland Strait.  There would be some slime 
and whatever it is that grows on the flat undersides in a star shaped pattern.  
Last haulout would be end of October in Halifax after sitting on a mooring in 
NW Arm approx. 150 feet from Bob’s boat.  Would be slime and also grass growing 
on the vertical surfaces.  This mattered not weather Micron CSC or VC Offshore.

Last year Persistence came with another manufacturer version of Micron CSC.  
Was launched in June, hauled mid July to work on Transducers, hauled Sept 8 to 
work on propeller shaft, relaunched Sept 19 and hauled 1st week November.  Was 
dirty on each haulout.

When I compare my experiences with Bob’s on Azura with Micron 66 I cannot 
conceive using Micron CSC.  The pain of obtaining Micron 66 has made me 
consider Ameron ABC #4 because a 1D35 in our area has been using for 10 years 
and owners say it is closest thing to Micron 66 available in Canada.  They 
insist it is closer to Micron 66 in its properties than to Micron CSC.

All of the above are racing paints and that is also a consideration even