Stus-List suspect autopilot- RD II
Per the crowd view I disconnected the motor and turned things on and the control heads and other instruments came up fine. Connection seemed fine without corrosion. Put a meter to the motor lead and hit auto and then a course change. Volts came out and nothing popped. Reconnected the lead to the motor. and engaged the autopilot and it responded appropriately. Motor seemed fine. So now the mystery deepens- moisture get in somewhere and short things out and then dry out? Is this time related - after an hour or so motor heats up and dies. Motor/ belt unit just binding in a bad spot and after disconnecting letting sit etc. it is all better? Will not get a chance to give it a real work out for a couple of weeks. Worrying to have it randomly dying. We often use it and a couple of times a year for hours (think overnight from Key West). Guess we'll see. Kim TrustMe!!! 35-3 All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List suspect autopilot- RD II
A handheld VHF or magnetic knife can put your autopilot into an alcoholic stupor as you move around been there done that one LOL A treasured sailing knife has been relegated to a mast pouch... The VHF handheld is in my waist/thigh kit with gps and delorme tracker I have been removing the kit as I came aft. I am sure if there is a non magnetic handheld VHF. Don On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Kim Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Per the crowd view I disconnected the motor and turned things on and the control heads and other instruments came up fine. Connection seemed fine without corrosion. Put a meter to the motor lead and hit auto and then a course change. Volts came out and nothing popped. Reconnected the lead to the motor. and engaged the autopilot and it responded appropriately. Motor seemed fine. So now the mystery deepens- moisture get in somewhere and short things out and then dry out? Is this time related - after an hour or so motor heats up and dies. Motor/ belt unit just binding in a bad spot and after disconnecting letting sit etc. it is all better? Will not get a chance to give it a real work out for a couple of weeks. Worrying to have it randomly dying. We often use it and a couple of times a year for hours (think overnight from Key West). Guess we'll see. Kim TrustMe!!! 35-3 All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List suspect autopilot
All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List suspect autopilot
There is a separate power cable to the computer. I'd disconnect it or the power cable to the display to isolate the problem. Or call Ray or post on their forum and talk to someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Friday, September 19, 2014, Kim Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:; To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List suspect autopilot
Kim — it sounds like the drive motor may have frozen up; when you try to engage it, it draws too much current and pops the breaker. If you disconnect the drive from the control head, you should be able to make it turn by applying 12 volts across the two leads; the direction it turns will be determined by the polarity when you hook it up. If this doesn’t work, or if you pop the fuse you of course put in line with the +12V lead, then the drive motor is probably dead. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Kim Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List suspect autopilot
Hi Joel, Are you implying that Fred Street and others on this list do not actually know what they are talking about? :) Cheers, Russ At 12:05 PM 19/09/2014, you wrote: There is a separate power cable to the computer.  I'd disconnect it or the power cable to the display to isolate the problem.  Or call Ray or post on their forum and talk to someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Friday, September 19, 2014, Kim Brown via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.comhttp://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Suspect Autopilot
My autopilot is a older Navico unit (WheelPilot). The problem on mine is the belt jumping off the guides. It's all worn-out. You might want to consider taking the drive / belt / pulley unit apart and see if it being off-quilter might cause a jam which would explain your breaker tripping issue. It's a royal pain to take the drive apart on my antiquity. Mine sometimes causes the steering wheel to jam altogether... It has not happened when sailing or in a critical situation yet. I'm pretty sure my huge destroyer wheel gives me enough leverage to rip the crap off if I'm ever in a bind... Mine is on the fritz again.. I have fixed it once, If I can I'll use my Dremmel and fab something that will hopefully last until my next tax return when I buy a new Raymarine Wheel Pilot.. -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Cumming, Ga Sent from IBM Notes Traveler ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List suspect autopilot
Kim, Been a while since I installed or worked on an X-5 but two thoughts occur to me, bad motor or binding in the SportDrive. Here's how I'd troubleshoot it. First, take the motor out of the system. I forget if you can just pull the power cable of the back or not. If not, find a place to disconnect it. I think they are brown and blue wires connected to the controller on the connection marked Motor. Flip the break on. If everything looks good, the motor may be fried or the belt/clutch maybe stuck so the motor won't turn. To test the motor, disengage the clutch, put 12 volts on the two wires. If the motor spins freely, swap the wires and see if it spins freely in the other direction. If so, then something in the SportDrive is binding and putting excessive load on the motor. Fred or Rich might have a different technique. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Kim Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
