[cobirds] RBA

['Allison Hilf' via Colorado Birds]

Hi All-

I’m filling in for Joyce temporarily and just found out I need to start 
tonight.  

Given its migration, CFO Convention time, etc.,  I am going to remove old 
sightings quicker than Joyce does.  If I remove a sighting that should remain 
as the bird is still being seen — PLEASE contact me and I can add relevant info.

PLEASE do not be offended if I do not credit everyone who found the bird and 
just note the last source I  am aware of whom has most information wrt 
relocating the bird.  E.g., birds seen at CFO Convention will be found and seen 
by “CFO Convention birders found  at "


CFO Convention participants and other birders can help during this busy time 
for birders if you contact me: TEXT (303)888-5110 or e-mail 
(ah...@me.com) any updated daily RBA info. that is not 
reported via COBIRDS.

I am cleaning out the last RBA info to make room for all the goodies that are 
visiting Colorado. Hope everyone is out looking for additions to tomorrows RBA.

Thanks, and I apologize for the lack of the RBA the past two days — it will 
return shortly,

Allison Hilf
(303) 888-5110
ah...@me.com
ah...@aol.com

Sent from my iPhone

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[cobirds] Corrected: Cancellation of May 1, DFO trip to Jackson Lake State Park

[Ira Sanders]

Hey all,
It appears that the email I just sent to Cobirds didn't come out right so I
am re-posting this.

Due to weather,
​ we are cancelling the Sunday trip to Jackson Lake State Park.




​We
 have been watching the weather forecast closely and have determined for
everyone’s safety and health, we should cancel the trip.  The winds will
make the cold temps even more miserable
​ and​
roads will be slick from all the moisture this week.  We will certainly try
and set it up again later in the summer.

The weather forecast for Ft. Morgan is as follows:

*Saturday Night*

A 30 percent chance of snow, mainly before midnight. Cloudy, with a low
around 33. Breezy, with a north wind 9 to 17 mph, with gusts as high as 26
mph. New snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.

*Sunday*

chances of rain and snow before noon, then a slight chance of rain. Cloudy,
with a high near 46. North wind 8 to 10 mph becoming east northeast in the
afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 16 mph. Chance of precipitation is
20%.





Thank You
-- 
​Tammy
 Sanders
Golden, CO

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[cobirds] Fwd: FW: DFO Trip: Lake Jackson Reservoir 5/1 - Canceled

[Ira Sanders]

I want to thank
​everyone who
 register
​ed​
for
​ the​
Sunday May 1st trip to Jackson
​ Lake​
State Park   Ira and I have been watching the weather forecast closely and
have determined for everyone’s safety and health, we should cancel the
trip. The winds will make the cold temps even more miserable, roads will be
slick from all the moisture this week.  We will certainly try and set it up
again later in the summer.

The weather forecast for Ft. Morgan is as follows:

*Saturday Night*

A 30 percent chance of snow, mainly before midnight. Cloudy, with a low
around 33. Breezy, with a north wind 9 to 17 mph, with gusts as high as 26
mph. New snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.

*Sunday*

chances of rain and snow before noon, then a slight chance of rain. Cloudy,
with a high near 46. North wind 8 to 10 mph becoming east northeast in the
afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 16 mph. Chance of precipitation is
20%.





Thank You



Tammy Sanders

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Re: [cobirds] State Bird Records Committee

[Gloria Nikolai]

Mark,
I love that you asked the question ND I love even more the reasoned and 
respectful reasons given in return. Thanks to all for benefiting the entire 
group with the conversation.

Happy birding,
Gloria Nikolai
El Paso County

Ps. FOS Spotted Sandpiper today in El Paso County :-)

From: cobirds@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Bill 
Maynard 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 11:08:25 AM
To: mo...@yahoo.com
Cc: cobirds@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cobirds] State Bird Records Committee

Mark,

You answered your own question by reminding birders about the Baikal Teal 
behind the Baskin Robbins.  It was a “real” bird but it was found during a 
period when Baikal Teal in their natural Asian range were in severe decline 
after having been the most common duck in its range.  Also, anyone can 
currently buy a pair of Baikal Teal for a farm pond for $400.  The 
ornithological record is way more than a birder’s eBird claims. It is a method 
of documentation that describes in writing for perpetuity what the bird was 
doing, what it looked like, where and when it was seen, and why it wasn’t a 
look-alike species. eBird reviewers and eBird users make mistakes.  Rare bird 
committee members make mistakes too, but there 7 people evaluate a record, ask 
experts from outside of CO when needed, vs. the one eBird reviewer.  If you 
want Baikal Teal on your personal list, tick it, but there were excellent 
ornithological reasons not to have it become part of the official CO bird list. 
 Careful documentation, especially when a suite of photos or sound recordings 
are included, adds very valuable ornithological information for Colorado. 
eBird, IMO, not so much.

Respectfully,

Bill Maynard
Colorado Springs
From: 'Mark Obmascik' via Colorado Birds [mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Colorado Birds
Subject: [cobirds] State Bird Records Committee

In an age of Ebird, CObirds, and even Facebook bird ID groups, why do Colorado 
and other states still have state bird record committees?

After John Ealy found the hooded oriole in his Douglas County backyard, many 
excellent birders asked to have documentation submitted to the Colorado Bird 
Records Committee, which decides whether rare-bird reports are legitimate. I 
submitted, but the process is a hassle. The website crashed, and instructions 
weren't always clear.

I know this an all-volunteer effort, and money is short, and I'm always in 
favor of something that increases interest in and knowledge about birds, but 
what does the committee do that isn't already being done elsewhere in a more 
convenient way? In my experience, Ebird reviewers do an excellent job of 
screening entries. (They've found a bunch of my mistakes.) Ebird and CObirds 
make it easy to add photos. And with its international reach, Facebook allows 
fast access to ID experts whose yardbirds are our vagrants.

It's also tough for me to forget how the committee decided that Bill Brockner's 
Baikal teal, seen by me and hundreds others behind the Baskin Robbins in 
Evergreen a few years back, was not actually a real Baikal teal.

If there's a good reason to keep submitting to bird records committees, I'd 
like to hear it.

Good birding.

Mark Obmascik
Denver, CO
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[cobirds] Hello ;)

[fiddlenurs via Colorado Birds]

Never let your shaft go down! 
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RE: [cobirds] State Bird Records Committee

[Bill Maynard]

Mark,

 

You answered your own question by reminding birders about the Baikal Teal 
behind the Baskin Robbins.  It was a “real” bird but it was found during a 
period when Baikal Teal in their natural Asian range were in severe decline 
after having been the most common duck in its range.  Also, anyone can 
currently buy a pair of Baikal Teal for a farm pond for $400.  The 
ornithological record is way more than a birder’s eBird claims. It is a method 
of documentation that describes in writing for perpetuity what the bird was 
doing, what it looked like, where and when it was seen, and why it wasn’t a 
look-alike species. eBird reviewers and eBird users make mistakes.  Rare bird 
committee members make mistakes too, but there 7 people evaluate a record, ask 
experts from outside of CO when needed, vs. the one eBird reviewer.  If you 
want Baikal Teal on your personal list, tick it, but there were excellent 
ornithological reasons not to have it become part of the official CO bird list. 
 Careful documentation, especially when a suite of photos or sound recordings 
are included, adds very valuable ornithological information for Colorado. 
eBird, IMO, not so much.

 

Respectfully,

 

Bill Maynard

Colorado Springs

From: 'Mark Obmascik' via Colorado Birds [mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Colorado Birds
Subject: [cobirds] State Bird Records Committee

 

In an age of Ebird, CObirds, and even Facebook bird ID groups, why do Colorado 
and other states still have state bird record committees?

 

After John Ealy found the hooded oriole in his Douglas County backyard, many 
excellent birders asked to have documentation submitted to the Colorado Bird 
Records Committee, which decides whether rare-bird reports are legitimate. I 
submitted, but the process is a hassle. The website crashed, and instructions 
weren't always clear.

 

I know this an all-volunteer effort, and money is short, and I'm always in 
favor of something that increases interest in and knowledge about birds, but 
what does the committee do that isn't already being done elsewhere in a more 
convenient way? In my experience, Ebird reviewers do an excellent job of 
screening entries. (They've found a bunch of my mistakes.) Ebird and CObirds 
make it easy to add photos. And with its international reach, Facebook allows 
fast access to ID experts whose yardbirds are our vagrants.

 

It's also tough for me to forget how the committee decided that Bill Brockner's 
Baikal teal, seen by me and hundreds others behind the Baskin Robbins in 
Evergreen a few years back, was not actually a real Baikal teal. 

 

If there's a good reason to keep submitting to bird records committees, I'd 
like to hear it.

 

Good birding.

 

Mark Obmascik

Denver, CO

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[cobirds] white-throated sparrow

[Janet Hanley]

I put out some millet this snowy morning and was rewarded to see both my
Harris' sparrow and the white-throated sparrow are still around, the latter
ever so smart in his breeding plumage.

Janet Hanley

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Re: [cobirds] State Bird Records Committee

[David Suddjian]

These pasted from the Colorado Bird Records Committee page <
http://coloradobirdrecords.org/> offer some response to the question:

"The primary purpose is to provide a repository for information regarding
the records of rare or unusual birds within the state of Colorado. In order
to perform this function, the CBRC solicits, collects, assembles, reviews,
renders opinions on, and permanently archives, in the Denver Museum of
Nature and Science, all documentation concerning rare and unusual bird
records in Colorado."

And

"Birding anecdotes are great fun, but like any oral history, they disappear
over time. By providing details of rare bird sightings in an archival
documentation, birders contribute to a collective body of knowledge that
spans generations.  The intent of the Colorado Bird Records Committee's
peer review process is NOT to validate an individual's sighting or personal
list, rather it is to establish a standard for which rare bird reports can
be used as scientific-quality data."

David Suddjian
Littleton, CO

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:35 AM, 'Mark Obmascik' via Colorado Birds <
cobirds@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In an age of Ebird, CObirds, and even Facebook bird ID groups, why do
> Colorado and other states still have state bird record committees?
>
> After John Ealy found the hooded oriole in his Douglas County backyard,
> many excellent birders asked to have documentation submitted to the
> Colorado Bird Records Committee, which decides whether rare-bird reports
> are legitimate. I submitted, but the process is a hassle. The website
> crashed, and instructions weren't always clear.
>
> I know this an all-volunteer effort, and money is short, and I'm always in
> favor of something that increases interest in and knowledge about birds,
> but what does the committee do that isn't already being done elsewhere in a
> more convenient way? In my experience, Ebird reviewers do an excellent job
> of screening entries. (They've found a bunch of my mistakes.) Ebird and
> CObirds make it easy to add photos. And with its international reach,
> Facebook allows fast access to ID experts whose yardbirds are our vagrants.
>
> It's also tough for me to forget how the committee decided that Bill
> Brockner's Baikal teal, seen by me and hundreds others behind the Baskin
> Robbins in Evergreen a few years back, was not actually a real Baikal teal.
>
> If there's a good reason to keep submitting to bird records committees,
> I'd like to hear it.
>
> Good birding.
>
> Mark Obmascik
> Denver, CO
>
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Re: [cobirds] State Bird Records Committee

[Joe Roller]

Mark,
I understand your concerns, but Bird Record Committees have NOT been
surpassed by eBird,
and I am a huge supporter of e Bird. e Bird species ID reviewers do great
work, but each of them is staunchly
supportive of the CBRC.

Perhaps the current chair of the Colorado Bird Record Committee, Mark
Peterson or
the recent chair, Doug Faulkner, now President of CFO, can take the time to
answer your questions
point by point.

In the meantime, I will just say that detailed documentation of any rarity
and many more common birds
is absolutely necessary for Colorado to have a "clean" state list,
unimpeachable.
Norm Erthal found Colorado's first state record of Hooded Oriole, and he
and I (who was with him) prepared
detailed reports to the CBRC, even though there were fine photos. Yes, it
was sort of a hassle, but well worth the effort.
I yearn to send the CBRC detailed reports of the next Colorado Wood Stork,
Olive Warbler and other birds that require
documentation. Those would be happy hassles.

And to second guess the 7 or so highly expert committee members' decision
about the Baikal Teal is not reasonable. As I recall, the bird
was thought to be a "real female Baikal Teal," but it's "provenance" was
the sticking point. Many more Baikal Teal
are kept in aviaries in the US than are thought to have flown here from
Lake Baikal.  And there was an aviary
a short distance from Evergreen. That is just the way I recall it, perhaps
not exactly correct. Ditto with the
Evergreen Rufous-collared Sparrow. Species ID was not questioned, but they
are good singers, are
widely kept as cage birds and are not vagrants to the US.

Mark, I'd be glad to chat with you on the phone, as space here is limited.
There are marked differences
between e Bird reviews and CRBC reviews. Just look at the issue of Colorado
Birds that describes
the tremendous effort the CBRC did in analyzing the ID of Colorado's only
Kelp Gull and it's "wild"
provenance.

Joe Roller
proud CFO member since 1975


On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:35 AM, 'Mark Obmascik' via Colorado Birds <
cobirds@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In an age of Ebird, CObirds, and even Facebook bird ID groups, why do
> Colorado and other states still have state bird record committees?
>
> After John Ealy found the hooded oriole in his Douglas County backyard,
> many excellent birders asked to have documentation submitted to the
> Colorado Bird Records Committee, which decides whether rare-bird reports
> are legitimate. I submitted, but the process is a hassle. The website
> crashed, and instructions weren't always clear.
>
> I know this an all-volunteer effort, and money is short, and I'm always in
> favor of something that increases interest in and knowledge about birds,
> but what does the committee do that isn't already being done elsewhere in a
> more convenient way? In my experience, Ebird reviewers do an excellent job
> of screening entries. (They've found a bunch of my mistakes.) Ebird and
> CObirds make it easy to add photos. And with its international reach,
> Facebook allows fast access to ID experts whose yardbirds are our vagrants.
>
> It's also tough for me to forget how the committee decided that Bill
> Brockner's Baikal teal, seen by me and hundreds others behind the Baskin
> Robbins in Evergreen a few years back, was not actually a real Baikal teal.
>
> If there's a good reason to keep submitting to bird records committees,
> I'd like to hear it.
>
> Good birding.
>
> Mark Obmascik
> Denver, CO
>
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Re: [cobirds] State Bird Records Committee

[Doug Faulkner]

Mark and Cobirds:

I will share the primary reason I believe that Bird Records Committees
(BRCs) are important.  They are repositories for bird records.  A one-stop
shop.  Yes, one can submit photos to eBird, Cobirds, and any number of
other online sites, but availability to that information is not
long-lived.  A BRC acts like a museum.  The records submitted to it are
available for easy, public consumption in perpetuity.  Yes, there is the
vetting process that BRCs perform for what constitutes a "record", and that
is important, but to me it is the repository aspect that makes BRCs
necessary.

One could argue that museums are no longer necessary because collecting is
not performed at the same level as in the past.  Yet, they provide a
valuable resource to researchers because of their repositories of
specimens.  In much the same way, BRCs provide a repository of bird records
that can be used by researchers now and 100 years from now.  Try finding
any information about the Hooded Oriole on the internet next year, 5 years
from now, or in 50 years.  Instant gratification and information sharing is
great, but it is fleeting.  BRCs are in it for the long-haul.

respectfully,

Doug Faulkner
Arvada, CO

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:35 AM, 'Mark Obmascik' via Colorado Birds <
cobirds@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In an age of Ebird, CObirds, and even Facebook bird ID groups, why do
> Colorado and other states still have state bird record committees?
>
> After John Ealy found the hooded oriole in his Douglas County backyard,
> many excellent birders asked to have documentation submitted to the
> Colorado Bird Records Committee, which decides whether rare-bird reports
> are legitimate. I submitted, but the process is a hassle. The website
> crashed, and instructions weren't always clear.
>
> I know this an all-volunteer effort, and money is short, and I'm always in
> favor of something that increases interest in and knowledge about birds,
> but what does the committee do that isn't already being done elsewhere in a
> more convenient way? In my experience, Ebird reviewers do an excellent job
> of screening entries. (They've found a bunch of my mistakes.) Ebird and
> CObirds make it easy to add photos. And with its international reach,
> Facebook allows fast access to ID experts whose yardbirds are our vagrants.
>
> It's also tough for me to forget how the committee decided that Bill
> Brockner's Baikal teal, seen by me and hundreds others behind the Baskin
> Robbins in Evergreen a few years back, was not actually a real Baikal teal.
>
> If there's a good reason to keep submitting to bird records committees,
> I'd like to hear it.
>
> Good birding.
>
> Mark Obmascik
> Denver, CO
>
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[cobirds] State Bird Records Committee

['Mark Obmascik' via Colorado Birds]

In an age of Ebird, CObirds, and even Facebook bird ID groups, why do Colorado 
and other states still have state bird record committees?
After John Ealy found the hooded oriole in his Douglas County backyard, many 
excellent birders asked to have documentation submitted to the Colorado Bird 
Records Committee, which decides whether rare-bird reports are legitimate. I 
submitted, but the process is a hassle. The website crashed, and instructions 
weren't always clear.
I know this an all-volunteer effort, and money is short, and I'm always in 
favor of something that increases interest in and knowledge about birds, but 
what does the committee do that isn't already being done elsewhere in a more 
convenient way? In my experience, Ebird reviewers do an excellent job of 
screening entries. (They've found a bunch of my mistakes.) Ebird and CObirds 
make it easy to add photos. And with its international reach, Facebook allows 
fast access to ID experts whose yardbirds are our vagrants.
It's also tough for me to forget how the committee decided that Bill Brockner's 
Baikal teal, seen by me and hundreds others behind the Baskin Robbins in 
Evergreen a few years back, was not actually a real Baikal teal. 
If there's a good reason to keep submitting to bird records committees, I'd 
like to hear it.
Good birding.
Mark ObmascikDenver, CO

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[cobirds] Boulder Co. storm birds, Apr. 28

[Ted Floyd]

Hello, Birders. After the weather turned nasty yesterday, Thurs., Apr. 28, 
the birding got good. I didn't have much time, but Greenlee Preserve, 
Boulder Co., had a *gray flycatcher,* for example. And the Boulder 
Reservoir and Clover Basin Reservoir mudflats had *western willets* and 
others shorebirds: peeps, dowitchers, yellowlegs, snipes, semi plovers, 
etc. I Imagine today will be good in Boulder County and elsewhere in the 
region--and that things will continue that way through the weekend. Below 
are pix of the Greenlee gray flycatcher and a western sandpiper at Boulder 
Rez:






Ted Floyd

Lafayette, Boulder County

 


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