Re: [cobirds] Re: Access to State wildlife areas

[Nicholas Komar]

Mike I agree. I’m working on a CFO letter supporting this view.  I hope other 
organizations will do the same this week in advance of the Commissioner's 
meeting Thursday morning. 

Nick Komar
CFO President

>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Mike Hensley  wrote:
> 
> I actually think a watchers license that parallels the hunting/fishing 
> license and whose cost contributes to the maintenance of SWA's is a great 
> idea. It simultaneously broadens the base of people who are financially 
> contributing AND provides a way to measure the number of people who are using 
> SWA's for non-hunting/fishing purposes. Have any conservation organizations 
> (Audubon?) proposed this change to state lawmakers?
> 
>> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 11:39:16 AM UTC-6, Polly Reetz wrote:
>> Lots of discussion going on about the change in policy by Colorado Parks and 
>> Wildlife (CPW) about accessing State Wildlife Areas.While buying a 
>> fishing license, especially a senior license, is not a big financial burden 
>> for many birders, there is a general feeling, at least among the Audubon 
>> folks I've talked to,  that we want to be counted as wildlife watchers, not 
>> fishermen or hunters, so that CPW is more aware of this audience and listens 
>> to us on other policy issues.  
>>  
>>  No one has yet come up with a method to do this that doesn't result in 
>> a reduction in Colorado's  federal Wildlife Aid in Restoration grants which 
>> come from the excise tax on hunting and fishing equipment  (although we 
>> could argue that a lot of that money in fact does NOT come from hunters - 
>> you pay it if you buy a handgun too).The Parks and Wildlife Commission 
>> is still discussing this question - it is on their agenda for Thursday 
>> morning, July 17 at 9:25 am.   You can listen in from the CPW website (About 
>> Us - Commission - Meetings).  And offer comments by email before the meeting.
>> 
>>Suggestions have been: a wildlife watchers license, a maintenance fee 
>> dedicated to SWAs, a checkoff on the fishing or hunting license application 
>> for wildlife watchers/photographers so CPW can take count of us your 
>> ideas??   Send them to the Commission.  Some of this would take legislative 
>> action.
>> 
>> Polly Reetz
>> Denver Audubon COnservation Committee chairperson
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RE: [cobirds] Official Response from CPW About Use of State Wildlife Areas

[jhmoss]

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REIMBURSE SEARCH & RESCUE IN COLORADO AT ANY TIME!  

 

Colorado and the vast majority of states do not charge for search and rescue 
services.  Only New Hampshire can and does charge for Search & Rescue.  For 
more information on this see: https://www.facebook.com/NoChargeforRescue

 

Colorado’s CORSAR card is NOT insurance.  It allows people to think they are 
covering their rescue costs. At the end of the year each SAR group sends a bill 
to the state on how much they spent on SAR’s that year and they are partially 
reimbursed by the CORSAR fund. There is no guaranty that you will not get 
billed if you have a CORSAR card, but again, counties don’t charge for SAR.  
SAR in Colorado and most states is controlled by the County sheriff.

 

There is NO CHARGE for helicopter operations either.  If the helicopter is a 
military helicopter it comes out of their training budget.  If it is a medical 
helicopter, then it can be billed under your medical insurance. However all of 
the medical helicopters in Colorado are extremely limited in what they can do 
not days and ONLY pick up medical cases, not rescues.  In the extremely rare 
instance now days that a medical chopper does assist in a rescue, they do not 
charge for it.

 

I’m the former attorney for the Mountain Rescue Association and a lot of the 
local SAR groups.  I’m also one of the admins of the Facebook page mentioned 
above.  

 

We/Sheriffs/SAR groups have learned that when people think that SAR costs they 
wait and do not request help, putting everyone at greater risk. Please get the 
word out to everyone to keep everyone safer that SAR in all states but New 
Hampshire is free.  #BoycottNH

 

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From: cobirds@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ira 
Sanders
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 1:45 PM
To: Rachel Kolokoff Hopper 
Cc: Pam Piombino ; kevygud...@aol.com; cobirds 

Subject: Re: [cobirds] Official Response from CPW About Use of State Wildlife 
Areas

 

So, if you are over 65 and don't have a habitat stamp and search and rescue 
services comes to your aid, are you covered or do you have to reimburse for 
those services?

Ira Sanders

 

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:04 PM Rachel Kolokoff Hopper mailto:r-hop...@comcast.net> > wrote:

If you are under 65 you must buy a habitat stamp with your fishing/hunting 
license. 65 and over it is not required. If you buy a license online it is 
automatically added to your purchase.

Sent from my iPhone

www.rkhphotography.net  

Rachel Kolokoff Hopper

Ft. Collins


On Jul 11, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Pam Piombino mailto:piombino@gmail.com> > wrote:



I stopped in Poudre Canyon to buy my senior fishing license to legally enter to 
SWAs on my way to North Park.  I tried to buy a habitat stamp at the same time, 
but the clerk had no idea how to sell me one.  I am surprised that Tammy was 
forced to purchase one at the same time.  I always thought it was optional; am 
I mistaken?

 

Do chime in to the CPW that you want to be counted as a wildlife watcher rather 
than a fisherperson or hunter if you don't fit into those categories.  Polly 
Reetz sent an email today with contacts.

 

Pam Piombino

 

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:54 AM Ira Sanders mailto:zroadrunne...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Birders,

Tammy bought a fishing license so she could fish on SWA lands and of course 
birdwatch.  She was forced to buy a habitat stamp at the same time. For those 
of you who don't know what that is, it covers you for the cost of search and 
rescue if they have to come and find you if you get lost or injured and search 
and rescue has to come and get you out there. I don't believe I have seen that 
mentioned anywhere in any of the discussions of the issue that has been 
discussed in this thread.

Ira Sanders

Golden

 

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:47 PM kevygudguy via Colorado Birds 
mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Hello Fellow Birders,

 

I have received an official 

Re: [cobirds] Re: Access to State wildlife areas

[Lori Pivonka]

Fantastic info!

I agree... I also strongly believe ALL birders should purchase a duck stamp. 
Many of us spend lots of time around and in the NWR’s.

Appreciate your insights!
Lori 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Mike Hensley  wrote:
> 
> 
> I actually think a watchers license that parallels the hunting/fishing 
> license and whose cost contributes to the maintenance of SWA's is a great 
> idea. It simultaneously broadens the base of people who are financially 
> contributing AND provides a way to measure the number of people who are using 
> SWA's for non-hunting/fishing purposes. Have any conservation organizations 
> (Audubon?) proposed this change to state lawmakers?
> 
>> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 11:39:16 AM UTC-6, Polly Reetz wrote:
>> Lots of discussion going on about the change in policy by Colorado Parks and 
>> Wildlife (CPW) about accessing State Wildlife Areas.While buying a 
>> fishing license, especially a senior license, is not a big financial burden 
>> for many birders, there is a general feeling, at least among the Audubon 
>> folks I've talked to,  that we want to be counted as wildlife watchers, not 
>> fishermen or hunters, so that CPW is more aware of this audience and listens 
>> to us on other policy issues.  
>>  
>>  No one has yet come up with a method to do this that doesn't result in 
>> a reduction in Colorado's  federal Wildlife Aid in Restoration grants which 
>> come from the excise tax on hunting and fishing equipment  (although we 
>> could argue that a lot of that money in fact does NOT come from hunters - 
>> you pay it if you buy a handgun too).The Parks and Wildlife Commission 
>> is still discussing this question - it is on their agenda for Thursday 
>> morning, July 17 at 9:25 am.   You can listen in from the CPW website (About 
>> Us - Commission - Meetings).  And offer comments by email before the meeting.
>> 
>>Suggestions have been: a wildlife watchers license, a maintenance fee 
>> dedicated to SWAs, a checkoff on the fishing or hunting license application 
>> for wildlife watchers/photographers so CPW can take count of us your 
>> ideas??   Send them to the Commission.  Some of this would take legislative 
>> action.
>> 
>> Polly Reetz
>> Denver Audubon COnservation Committee chairperson
>> 
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[cobirds] Re: ID Challenge: Which Eagle?

[Beverly Head]

I am guessing that it's a young bald eagle. Partly because of the white 
part in the tail, but still mostly dark in the rest of its body, with the 
exception of some white spots in the chest.

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:45:27 PM UTC-6, The "Nunn Guy" wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Photoed this handsome and cooperative eagle in Weld County over the 
> weekend. Thought it would offer a lively discussion for "which eagle and 
> why?"
>
> Three photos here: http://www.friendsofthepawneegrassland.org
>
> Thanks Gary Lefko, Nunn
>
> https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/birds-and-more-of-the-pawnee-national-grassland
>
>
>

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[cobirds] Re: ID Challenge: Which Eagle?

[John Ealy]

Aack. Neglected to sign off.

John Ealy
Roxborough Park, Douglas County, CO


On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:24:17 PM UTC-6, John Ealy wrote:
>
> I'm guessing 2- to 3-year-old  bald eagle based on the  ventral view of 
> white tail with narrow dark outer edge and irregular dark band on tail tip. 
> Bird also has  white and dark streaks on the neck area. Cere appears to be 
> partially yellow. Large bill. Dark eye. Sure has a full crop. 
>
>
> n Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:45:27 PM UTC-6, The "Nunn Guy" wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Photoed this handsome and cooperative eagle in Weld County over the 
>> weekend. Thought it would offer a lively discussion for "which eagle and 
>> why?"
>>
>> Three photos here: http://www.friendsofthepawneegrassland.org
>>
>> Thanks Gary Lefko, Nunn
>>
>> https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/birds-and-more-of-the-pawnee-national-grassland
>>
>>
>>

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[cobirds] Re: ID Challenge: Which Eagle?

[John Ealy]

I'm guessing 2- to 3-year-old  bald eagle based on the  ventral view of 
white tail with narrow dark outer edge and irregular dark band on tail tip. 
Bird also has  white and dark streaks on the neck area. Cere appears to be 
partially yellow. Large bill. Dark eye. Sure has a full crop. 


n Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:45:27 PM UTC-6, The "Nunn Guy" wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Photoed this handsome and cooperative eagle in Weld County over the 
> weekend. Thought it would offer a lively discussion for "which eagle and 
> why?"
>
> Three photos here: http://www.friendsofthepawneegrassland.org
>
> Thanks Gary Lefko, Nunn
>
> https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/birds-and-more-of-the-pawnee-national-grassland
>
>
>

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[cobirds] ID Challenge: Which Eagle?

['The "Nunn Guy"' via Colorado Birds]

Hi all

Photoed this handsome and cooperative eagle in Weld County over the 
weekend. Thought it would offer a lively discussion for "which eagle and 
why?"

Three photos here: http://www.friendsofthepawneegrassland.org

Thanks Gary Lefko, Nunn
https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/birds-and-more-of-the-pawnee-national-grassland


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RE: [cobirds] ... and escaped exotic (Platte River Trail just north of Oxford - Arapahoe County)

[William H Kaempfer]

At last a Cobirds post that I can chime in on!

Peter is of course correct on his Australian-native Budgerigar information, but 
let me add that for many years “Budgies” were an ABA/AOU “countable” species, 
although not in Colorado.  In the last couple of decades of the previous 
century large flocks of seemingly established Budgies roamed Florida, 
particularly on the central Gulf Coast. If you search eBird records you will 
find reports of 50, 100 and even 150 at a time.  I remember seeing them strung 
along power lines by the dozens approaching the Dunedin Causeway on the way to 
Honeymoon Island State Park near Clearwater.

And then they were gone.

By 2010 “countable” Budgerigar were only possible in Hernando Beach, Florida 
where a last colony was hanging on until about 2012 or so.  Now they have been 
removed from the ABA/AOU list—an extirpated introduced species (but not the 
only one, as I think certain Francolin species are in the same boat, or off the 
boat as it were, for the Lower 48 anyway).

Lest you think that the way of the Budgie must be a real outlier; not so fast.  
Other formerly locally-common, introduced species like Spotted Dove in L.A. 
have also been reduced to almost scattered and possibly no longer viable 
breeding populations.  In fact, if you recall the reports published at the end 
of last year documenting a loss of over 300 million song birds in North 
America, guess who was at the top of the list with about 10% of the total 
-30.000.000)?  House Sparrow! whose populations have declined with the decline 
of small farms across the US.  And get this, even Eurasian Collared Doves can 
be hard to spot in Florida these days—the place were they initially were 
established, I believe.

One final anecdote:  Birding is so challenging here in Florida in June that 
Florida birders have come up with a “June Challenge”.  Each year many birders 
participate in a challenge to see the most species in their home county, but 
the kicker is that we do so using some sort of clever “nom-de-plume”.  
Literally.  Here in my home county, Pinellas, I (Gus Hawk) was joined in the 
competition by such ingeniously undercover birders as Ann Hinga, Dick Cissel, 
and my favorite, Palmer N. Yeager. And, of course, Bud Gerigar!  Well here is 
the kicker—Bud just happens to be in Colorado right now, just when Bryan found 
the beauty below.  Go figure.

Bill Kaempfer
Safety Harbor, FL

From: cobirds@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Gent
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:37 PM
To: cobirds@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: [cobirds] Possible yellow-shafted or hybrid Northern Flicker 
(Chatfield State Park - Douglas County) and escaped exotic (Platte River Trail 
just north of Oxford - Arapahoe County)

Bryan,

This is a Budgerigar: a commonly kept cage bird and native to the drier parts 
of Australia.

Cheers,  Peter Gent,  Boulder.


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From: modise mailto:namaqu...@outlook.com>>
Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:21 AM
Subject: [cobirds] Possible yellow-shafted or hybrid Northern Flicker 
(Chatfield State Park - Douglas County) and escaped exotic (Platte River Trail 
just north of Oxford - Arapahoe County)
To: Colorado Birds mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com>>

At 6:00 a.m. today, on the paved trail that heads north out of Chatfield State 
Park from the NE corner (parallels the east side of the dog park), about 50 
yards in, I saw a Northern flicker with the distinctive red V on the back of 
its neck.  I could not see the front, so I don't know if it was yellow or 
red-shafted.

At 7:00 a.m., imagine my surprise when I saw this guy on the golf course fence 
about 1/10th of a mile north of Oxford on the Platte River Trail (just north of 
the "traffic" circle).  I guess it's an escaped pet - no idea what kind of bird 
it is!  It was quite tame and let me approach, but it would not come to me when 
called.

Bryan Arnold
Littleton, Jefferson County

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Re: [cobirds] Possible yellow-shafted or hybrid Northern Flicker (Chatfield State Park - Douglas County) and escaped exotic (Platte River Trail just north of Oxford - Arapahoe County)

[modise]

Thank you for the ID!

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 11:34:52 AM UTC-6, Peter Gent wrote:
>
> Bryan, 
>
> This is a Budgerigar: a commonly kept cage bird and native to the drier 
> parts of Australia. 
>
> Cheers,  Peter Gent,  Boulder. 
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: modise >
> Date: Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:21 AM
> Subject: [cobirds] Possible yellow-shafted or hybrid Northern Flicker 
> (Chatfield State Park - Douglas County) and escaped exotic (Platte River 
> Trail just north of Oxford - Arapahoe County)
> To: Colorado Birds >
>
>
> At 6:00 a.m. today, on the paved trail that heads north out of Chatfield 
> State Park from the NE corner (parallels the east side of the dog park), 
> about 50 yards in, I saw a Northern flicker with the distinctive red V on 
> the back of its neck.  I could not see the front, so I don't know if it was 
> yellow or red-shafted.
>
> At 7:00 a.m., imagine my surprise when I saw this guy on the golf course 
> fence about 1/10th of a mile north of Oxford on the Platte River Trail 
> (just north of the "traffic" circle).  I guess it's an escaped pet - no 
> idea what kind of bird it is!  It was quite tame and let me approach, but 
> it would not come to me when called.
>
> Bryan Arnold
> Littleton, Jefferson County
>
> [image: IMG_5350.jpg]
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Re: [cobirds] Black Witch/Larimer

[Rachel Kolokoff Hopper]

I should add masks required.

Sent from my iPhone
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Rachel Kolokoff Hopper
Ft. Collins

On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Rachel Kolokoff Hopper  
wrote:

I have a Black Witch at my house if anyone wants to see it. Come to the front 
door. 1721 Cottonwood Pt. Dr. Ft. Collins 80523

Sent from my iPhone
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[cobirds] Black Witch/Larimer

[Rachel Kolokoff Hopper]

I have a Black Witch at my house if anyone wants to see it. Come to the front 
door. 1721 Cottonwood Pt. Dr. Ft. Collins 80523

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[cobirds] All of a Sudden ... Dickcissel/Weld

['The "Nunn Guy"' via Colorado Birds]

Hi all

While out and about birding over weekend a total of five Dickcissel. Along 
Weld CR 48 (Latham marsh) at east end I had three calling, two on telephone 
wire, one in field on south calling. I drove by the first one hearing a bit 
of the song thinking "oh, starling ..." then I heard the second one in 
full-took a photo. Went back to second bird who turned out to be second 
Dickcissel on a wire. Lesson here ... be present in your birding lol.

Also, at Weld CR 74/61 ponds (Galeton) had one on wire and one in field 
calling. The common theme for all five were a large field of Alfalfa 
(assumed) being present.

Had a Red-breasted Nuthatch at Crow Valley and half dozen Greater 
Yellowlegs at Loloff Reservoir.

Dickcissel photos at URL below. Have a video, post this afternoon.

Thanks Gary Lefko, Nunn
http://www.friendsofthepawneegrassland.org
https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/birds-and-more-of-the-pawnee-national-grassland


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[cobirds] Re: Access to State wildlife areas

[Mike Hensley]

I actually think a watchers license that parallels the hunting/fishing 
license and whose cost contributes to the maintenance of SWA's is a great 
idea. It simultaneously broadens the base of people who are financially 
contributing AND provides a way to measure the number of people who are 
using SWA's for non-hunting/fishing purposes. Have any conservation 
organizations (Audubon?) proposed this change to state lawmakers?

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 11:39:16 AM UTC-6, Polly Reetz wrote:
>
> Lots of discussion going on about the change in policy by Colorado Parks 
> and Wildlife (CPW) about accessing State Wildlife Areas.While buying a 
> fishing license, especially a senior license, is not a big financial burden 
> for many birders, there is a general feeling, at least among the Audubon 
> folks I've talked to,  that we want to be counted as wildlife watchers, not 
> fishermen or hunters, so that CPW is more aware of this audience and 
> listens to us on other policy issues.  
>  
>  No one has yet come up with a method to do this that doesn't result 
> in a reduction in Colorado's  federal Wildlife Aid in Restoration grants 
> which come from the excise tax on hunting and fishing equipment  (although 
> we could argue that a lot of that money in fact does NOT come from hunters 
> - you pay it if you buy a handgun too).The Parks and Wildlife 
> Commission is still discussing this question - it is on their agenda for 
> Thursday morning, July 17 at 9:25 am.   You can listen in from the CPW 
> website (About Us - Commission - Meetings).  And offer comments by email 
> before the meeting.
>
>Suggestions have been: a wildlife watchers license, a maintenance fee 
> dedicated to SWAs, a checkoff on the fishing or hunting license application 
> for wildlife watchers/photographers so CPW can take count of us your 
> ideas??   Send them to the Commission.  Some of this would take legislative 
> action.
>
> Polly Reetz
> Denver Audubon COnservation Committee chairperson
>
>

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