Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Benjamin Stiglitz]

> Can anyone offer any advice or suggestions? Or should I settle for the
> cumbersome digest mode?

I’ve found that a combination of procmail rules on my IMAP box and Mutt
compiled with the ignore-thread patch [1] work quite well for me. I
haven’t found a MUA which beats Mutt for reading mailing lists (and
indeed that’s all I usually use it for).

-Ben

[1]: 
 There are some bugs in the updated version of this patch, but it
 works well enough for my intended uses.
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Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Michael Gardner]

On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Scott Ribe wrote:
The "view unread only" option is the reason I haven't switched to  
Mail and

still use Entourage.


You know you can sort by unread status by clicking on the 'unread'  
column in Mail, right? It's not exactly the same, but it works well  
for me.


-Michael
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Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Scott Ribe]

> However, I still have to scroll or search
> digests for particular topics and delete digest messages once I'm done
> with them, which is obviously more tedious and involved than just
> hitting space bar in NetNewsWire, for example. Filtering cocoa-dev
> messages doesn't enable me to quickly scan and identify threads I
> would like to contribute to like the RSS feed allows me to.

I use Entourage. Set up a rule to move messages into a folder, view by
threads, view unread only. Periodically look at the folder to see what's
new, read anything interesting, then mark all as read. About once a year, I
mass delete messages older than a year or so.

The "view unread only" option is the reason I haven't switched to Mail and
still use Entourage.

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Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Andrew Merenbach]

On Oct 19, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Kiel Gillard wrote:


Hi all,

I subscribe to the cocoa-dev list RSS feed instead of receiving
individual or digest emails. I find this approach is a fast and
convenient method to scan the topics, examine individual messages and
receive regular updates to the cocoa-dev's content without flooding my
inbox. In contrast, if I choose to use the digest mode, I have to
scroll or search digests for particular topics and delete digest
messages once I'm done with them, which is obviously more tedious.
Using an RSS feed reader, it can automatically check for new content
and with a keystroke investigate or dismiss content. Given that I read
the list more than I contribute to it, I prefer using the RSS feed.

However the RSS feed approach carries two problems. Firstly, I cannot
reply to individuals off-list because their email addresses are
censored. Finally, my contributions become tedious to compose as I
have to copy and paste relevant information such as previous messages
and subject headers into the new reply.

Can anyone offer any advice or suggestions? Or should I settle for the
cumbersome digest mode?

Thanks,

Kiel Gillard


Hi!  What I do is subscribe to the list for every message, then filter  
using a Mail rule into, essentially, a special Mailing Lists folder --  
then I view that folder as organized by thread.  I further refine this  
with smart mailboxes to filter by what's today, and also one to filter  
by anything older than three days.  Every day I simply go to that last  
one and delete its contents -- I don't have room in my account to be  
archiving a ton of messages, but I like to keep the past couple of  
days'.


Also, I'm probably overthinking this, but your message isn't (in my  
opinion) exactly off-topic -- more of a meta-topic.  So I wonder  
whether a subject heading of "[META] How do people use and contribute  
to this list?" would have been cool.


Yeah, I'm overthinking it.

Cheers,
Andrew


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Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Graham Cox]

On 20 Oct 2008, at 12:09 pm, Rob Keniger wrote:


In Mail, select View > Organize by Thread. Works for me.



And don't subscribe to the digest, but to the full feed.

--Graham
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Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Kiel Gillard]

Thanks for the replies all, these are helpful suggestions.

Kiel

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The easiest thing to do is just set up a smartbox, except that it sorts, it
> doesn't move the messages. Set up a rule and mailbox, to simply move all
> cocoalist messages there. Also, don't receive in digest mode. You'll get
> more messages, but it's easier to find old topics you're looking for then. I
> rarely post, but I haven't deleted any so I now have a huge collection of
> searchable questions and multiple answers for all sorts of problems.
> Nate
>
> On Oct 19, 2008, at 20:32, Kiel Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I subscribe to the cocoa-dev list RSS feed instead of receiving
>> individual or digest emails. I find this approach is a fast and
>> convenient method to scan the topics, examine individual messages and
>> receive regular updates to the cocoa-dev's content without flooding my
>> inbox. In contrast, if I choose to use the digest mode, I have to
>> scroll or search digests for particular topics and delete digest
>> messages once I'm done with them, which is obviously more tedious.
>> Using an RSS feed reader, it can automatically check for new content
>> and with a keystroke investigate or dismiss content. Given that I read
>> the list more than I contribute to it, I prefer using the RSS feed.
>>
>> However the RSS feed approach carries two problems. Firstly, I cannot
>> reply to individuals off-list because their email addresses are
>> censored. Finally, my contributions become tedious to compose as I
>> have to copy and paste relevant information such as previous messages
>> and subject headers into the new reply.
>>
>> Can anyone offer any advice or suggestions? Or should I settle for the
>> cumbersome digest mode?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kiel Gillard
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Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Rob Keniger]

On 20/10/2008, at 10:55 AM, Kiel Gillard wrote:


Filtering cocoa-dev
messages doesn't enable me to quickly scan and identify threads I
would like to contribute to like the RSS feed allows me to.



In Mail, select View > Organize by Thread. Works for me.

--
Rob Keniger



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Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Craig Phillips]

Like many (I suspect) I'm mostly a lurker as I've not been doing a lot  
of development work over the last little while, however, that is  
changing.


For some years now I've had all my list subscriptions going to Gmail  
and I access that account through Mail using POP. Using a threaded  
view on the Gmail mailbox I'm able to quickly scan through threads and  
reply if needed to the list without dealing with digest issues or  
having to cut & paste.  This also keeps the msg id intact which helps  
mail programs thread it.


After scanning/reading a message I usually delete it in Mail - but  
since I have each list tagged by Gmail I can if necessary search for  
previous posts using Gmail's web based interface which also does a  
great job of threading and searching. Deleting the message in Mail  
just keeps the Inbox clean :D and lets me get on with work rather than  
wading through 500+ messages...


The only reason I don't use a rule to through it into a folder and  
delete it from there is that when I did try that I tended to let  
things build up and eventually end up with a folder with 30,000+ items  
in it... wasn't pretty and explained why Mail ground to a halt... but  
that was a while ago on another cat altogether...


Cheers

Craig


On 20/10/2008, at 11:32 AM, Kiel Gillard wrote:


Hi all,

I subscribe to the cocoa-dev list RSS feed instead of receiving
individual or digest emails. I find this approach is a fast and
convenient method to scan the topics, examine individual messages and
receive regular updates to the cocoa-dev's content without flooding my
inbox. In contrast, if I choose to use the digest mode, I have to
scroll or search digests for particular topics and delete digest
messages once I'm done with them, which is obviously more tedious.
Using an RSS feed reader, it can automatically check for new content
and with a keystroke investigate or dismiss content. Given that I read
the list more than I contribute to it, I prefer using the RSS feed.

However the RSS feed approach carries two problems. Firstly, I cannot
reply to individuals off-list because their email addresses are
censored. Finally, my contributions become tedious to compose as I
have to copy and paste relevant information such as previous messages
and subject headers into the new reply.

Can anyone offer any advice or suggestions? Or should I settle for the
cumbersome digest mode?

Thanks,

Kiel Gillard
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Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Kiel Gillard]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Rob Keniger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 20/10/2008, at 10:32 AM, Kiel Gillard wrote:
>
>> Can anyone offer any advice or suggestions? Or should I settle for the
>> cumbersome digest mode?
>
>
> Why not just create a mail folder and add a rule to move Cocoa-Dev messages
> to it? This is standard procedure AFAIK.

Thanks for your reply, Rob. However, I still have to scroll or search
digests for particular topics and delete digest messages once I'm done
with them, which is obviously more tedious and involved than just
hitting space bar in NetNewsWire, for example. Filtering cocoa-dev
messages doesn't enable me to quickly scan and identify threads I
would like to contribute to like the RSS feed allows me to.

Kiel
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Re: [OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Rob Keniger]

On 20/10/2008, at 10:32 AM, Kiel Gillard wrote:


Can anyone offer any advice or suggestions? Or should I settle for the
cumbersome digest mode?



Why not just create a mail folder and add a rule to move Cocoa-Dev  
messages to it? This is standard procedure AFAIK.


--
Rob Keniger



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[OT] How do people use and contribute to this list?

[Kiel Gillard]

Hi all,

I subscribe to the cocoa-dev list RSS feed instead of receiving
individual or digest emails. I find this approach is a fast and
convenient method to scan the topics, examine individual messages and
receive regular updates to the cocoa-dev's content without flooding my
inbox. In contrast, if I choose to use the digest mode, I have to
scroll or search digests for particular topics and delete digest
messages once I'm done with them, which is obviously more tedious.
Using an RSS feed reader, it can automatically check for new content
and with a keystroke investigate or dismiss content. Given that I read
the list more than I contribute to it, I prefer using the RSS feed.

However the RSS feed approach carries two problems. Firstly, I cannot
reply to individuals off-list because their email addresses are
censored. Finally, my contributions become tedious to compose as I
have to copy and paste relevant information such as previous messages
and subject headers into the new reply.

Can anyone offer any advice or suggestions? Or should I settle for the
cumbersome digest mode?

Thanks,

Kiel Gillard
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