Re: Creating Toolbar Items in IB

2008-10-22 Thread Rob Keniger


On 23/10/2008, at 10:39 AM, Graham Cox wrote:

I can place a toolbar in my window, and I can add items to it. I can  
set the delegate outlet of the toolbar to my document controller.


What I can't do is to tie any outlets to the toolbar items or set  
any actions or targets for the items. IB's interface doesn't even  
let me select the items individually, and I cannot assign my own  
identifiers to them.



In the Allowed Toolbar Items sheet that appears when you double- 
click the toolbar,  select one of the toolbar items and then click it  
again. You can then access the bindings, target and action settings  
for the actual toolbar control rather than the toolbar item. You  
must set up the object in the Allowed Toolbar Items sheet, not in the  
toolbar itself.


--
Rob Keniger



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Re: Creating Toolbar Items in IB

2008-10-22 Thread Quincey Morris

On Oct 22, 2008, at 17:39, Graham Cox wrote:

I can place a toolbar in my window, and I can add items to it. I can  
set the delegate outlet of the toolbar to my document controller.


What I can't do is to tie any outlets to the toolbar items or set  
any actions or targets for the items. IB's interface doesn't even  
let me select the items individually, and I cannot assign my own  
identifiers to them.


At runtime, when the nib is loaded, the pre-installed items are  
there but they have been assigned identifiers which are UUID  
strings. My delegate gets called and I can add additional custom  
items just as I would if I were doing it all in code, but for the  
nib-supplied items, I get nothing. Since the identifiers are  
assigned UUIDs somewhere there's no way to know what identifier to  
use to retrieve an item from the bar and fix up its target/action.


The whole ability to set up toolbars in IB appears to be useless to  
me.


So before I ditch it all and go back to doing it the harder-but- 
saner way, can anyone point me in the direction of something that  
will help me make any sense of this?


The identifier thing is annoying. There isn't any way to set your own.  
The best alternative seems to be to create an outlet for each toolbar  
item you need to refer to in code, and hook them up in IB. Then you  
can extract the identifier via the outlet if you need it.


The toolbar that IB shows you in its owner window is actually the  
default set of items, and you can't select them individually there. To  
get the full set of items, you click on the toolbar once to select it,  
then again so that the allowed items sheet slides out, and you can  
select individual items in that sheet. Click once to select the  
toolbar item, click again to select the underlying control.


There were some bugs in IB's toolbar handling, where it wouldn't save  
the toolbar after you changed it. I'm not sure if that bug is still in  
the shipping 3.1 version. (The only workaround I found was to put a  
separator item at the beginning and the end of the toolbar. Then it  
seemed to save OK.)


HTH

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Re: Creating Toolbar Items in IB

2008-10-22 Thread Quincey Morris

On Oct 22, 2008, at 18:33, Quincey Morris wrote:

There were some bugs in IB's toolbar handling, where it wouldn't  
save the toolbar after you changed it. I'm not sure if that bug is  
still in the shipping 3.1 version.


Sorry, I meant ... in the shipping 3.1.1 version.


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Re: Creating Toolbar Items in IB

2008-10-22 Thread Kiel Gillard

On 23/10/2008, at 12:33 PM, Quincey Morris wrote:


On Oct 22, 2008, at 17:39, Graham Cox wrote:

I can place a toolbar in my window, and I can add items to it. I  
can set the delegate outlet of the toolbar to my document controller.


What I can't do is to tie any outlets to the toolbar items or set  
any actions or targets for the items. IB's interface doesn't even  
let me select the items individually, and I cannot assign my own  
identifiers to them.


At runtime, when the nib is loaded, the pre-installed items are  
there but they have been assigned identifiers which are UUID  
strings. My delegate gets called and I can add additional custom  
items just as I would if I were doing it all in code, but for the  
nib-supplied items, I get nothing. Since the identifiers are  
assigned UUIDs somewhere there's no way to know what identifier to  
use to retrieve an item from the bar and fix up its target/action.


The whole ability to set up toolbars in IB appears to be useless to  
me.


So before I ditch it all and go back to doing it the harder-but- 
saner way, can anyone point me in the direction of something that  
will help me make any sense of this?


The identifier thing is annoying. There isn't any way to set your  
own. The best alternative seems to be to create an outlet for each  
toolbar item you need to refer to in code, and hook them up in IB.  
Then you can extract the identifier via the outlet if you need it.


You could implement NSToolbar's toolbarWillAddItem: delegate method,  
for example, and build a collection of toolbar items.


The toolbar that IB shows you in its owner window is actually the  
default set of items, and you can't select them individually there.  
To get the full set of items, you click on the toolbar once to  
select it, then again so that the allowed items sheet slides out,  
and you can select individual items in that sheet. Click once to  
select the toolbar item, click again to select the underlying control.


There were some bugs in IB's toolbar handling, where it wouldn't  
save the toolbar after you changed it. I'm not sure if that bug is  
still in the shipping 3.1 version. (The only workaround I found was  
to put a separator item at the beginning and the end of the toolbar.  
Then it seemed to save OK.)


HTH


The bug seems to be there still.

Kiel

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