Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
Would using carbon events be against the rules of the Mac App Store? I thought carbon was deprecated. I think it may just be the interface stuff in carbon, but not sure. On Feb 9, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Jean-Daniel Dupas wrote: Carbon events are events. As long as you don't receive one, your app is waiting consuming 0% of the CPU. Le 9 févr. 2011 à 20:05, Mr. Gecko a écrit : The only question I would have is if I were to track the applications all the time, how much time on the processor would it require, would it 1. require enough that will slow down the user noticeably, or 2. would it be like just 0.1% of cpu in a few milliseconds. I try to be considerate of the customer and not do things that'll cause slow downs and all. One reason for this is I'm stuck with my older mac and I don't like things that slow me down. My big guess is number 2. On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Matt Neuburg wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:23:45 -0600, Mr. Gecko grmrge...@gmail.com said: Hello, I am wondering how I can get the last front application ProcessSerialNumber so I can use SetFrontProcess to bring it back to front after they close the window to my application. You can track applications as they come to the front using Carbon Events. http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/cocoa/155984-detecting-frontmost-application.html m. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/devlists%40shadowlab.org This email sent to devli...@shadowlab.org -- Jean-Daniel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
Does your application compile on 64 bits ? Do you get a deprecation warning when using required functions ? When the answer is no for both questions, I personally consider that the function is not deprecated. If you have a specific question about Store validation, ask Apple directly. Nobody on this list can give you a definite answer. Le 11 févr. 2011 à 17:07, Mr. Gecko a écrit : Would using carbon events be against the rules of the Mac App Store? I thought carbon was deprecated. I think it may just be the interface stuff in carbon, but not sure. On Feb 9, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Jean-Daniel Dupas wrote: Carbon events are events. As long as you don't receive one, your app is waiting consuming 0% of the CPU. Le 9 févr. 2011 à 20:05, Mr. Gecko a écrit : The only question I would have is if I were to track the applications all the time, how much time on the processor would it require, would it 1. require enough that will slow down the user noticeably, or 2. would it be like just 0.1% of cpu in a few milliseconds. I try to be considerate of the customer and not do things that'll cause slow downs and all. One reason for this is I'm stuck with my older mac and I don't like things that slow me down. My big guess is number 2. On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Matt Neuburg wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:23:45 -0600, Mr. Gecko grmrge...@gmail.com said: Hello, I am wondering how I can get the last front application ProcessSerialNumber so I can use SetFrontProcess to bring it back to front after they close the window to my application. You can track applications as they come to the front using Carbon Events. http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/cocoa/155984-detecting-frontmost-application.html m. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/devlists%40shadowlab.org This email sent to devli...@shadowlab.org -- Jean-Daniel -- Jean-Daniel ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
Thanks, I'm working out the code now and if it will compile on 64bit, then I'll use it. On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Jean-Daniel Dupas wrote: Does your application compile on 64 bits ? Do you get a deprecation warning when using required functions ? When the answer is no for both questions, I personally consider that the function is not deprecated. If you have a specific question about Store validation, ask Apple directly. Nobody on this list can give you a definite answer. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
Alternative: instead of bringing another process forwards, tell yours to hide. Then the previously-frontmost app will be frontmost again. Dave Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Mr. Gecko grmrge...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am wondering how I can get the last front application ProcessSerialNumber so I can use SetFrontProcess to bring it back to front after they close the window to my application. My application is a UIAgent so it doesn't have a dock icon and I am thinking that the user would like it more if when they close the window to my application it will make the previous application so it's front. The way they open my window is by opening the application via the finder or dock (if they have it in the dock). My application runs in the background to keep track of things and I know my customers would not want a menubar icon as I don't want one as well. I know there is GetFrontProcess, but that is useless when the application becomes front before I call it due to them opening it in the finder and GetNextProcess gets Quick Look Helper. I hope I explained things well, thanks for any help. Mr. Gecko ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/davedelong%40me.com This email sent to davedel...@me.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
I guess I can do that. I'll give it a try. On Feb 9, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Dave DeLong wrote: Alternative: instead of bringing another process forwards, tell yours to hide. Then the previously-frontmost app will be frontmost again. Dave Sent from my iPhone smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
GetNextProcess() doesn't reflect the order in which processes were made front, as the Process Manager doc says: Note that the order of the list of processes is internal to the Process Manager which *seems* to be the order in which processes register with Process Manager; if this is true (I don't know whether you can rely on it), you could at least use GetNextProcess() to track the (backwards) order in which processes registered with process manager. An easy way to look at this is an AppleScript: tell application System Events name of every process end tell I don't quite understand the scenario though: are you looking for the process that was front before the user launched your application? Cheers -Peter Am 09.02.2011 um 16:23 schrieb Mr. Gecko: Hello, I am wondering how I can get the last front application ProcessSerialNumber so I can use SetFrontProcess to bring it back to front after they close the window to my application. My application is a UIAgent so it doesn't have a dock icon and I am thinking that the user would like it more if when they close the window to my application it will make the previous application so it's front. The way they open my window is by opening the application via the finder or dock (if they have it in the dock). My application runs in the background to keep track of things and I know my customers would not want a menubar icon as I don't want one as well. I know there is GetFrontProcess, but that is useless when the application becomes front before I call it due to them opening it in the finder and GetNextProcess gets Quick Look Helper. I hope I explained things well, thanks for any help. Mr. Gecko___ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
I'm looking for the process that was front before my application became front. I was thinking in getting the process as this is what I did in my menubar applications and I just stole code from them. I can do as Dave DeLong said and hide the application using [[NSApplication sharedApplication] hide:self]; and it does infact brings the finder to the front. This is an option with this application as I don't open any other window than the one when you open the application from the finder. But with other applications, it's not an option as there may be multiple windows for that one application open and when you hide, it will also hide the other windows they had open. I would be wondering how I can get the last front application (kinda how the dock does) so if I need to write an application in the future that needs multiple windows and also needs to be a UIAgent it would do the proper thing. I don't need to know this now, if it's not possible than fine, but if anyone out there knows how and wants to share, please do. On Feb 9, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Peter Lübke wrote: GetNextProcess() doesn't reflect the order in which processes were made front, as the Process Manager doc says: Note that the order of the list of processes is internal to the Process Manager which *seems* to be the order in which processes register with Process Manager; if this is true (I don't know whether you can rely on it), you could at least use GetNextProcess() to track the (backwards) order in which processes registered with process manager. An easy way to look at this is an AppleScript: tell application System Events name of every process end tell I don't quite understand the scenario though: are you looking for the process that was front before the user launched your application? Cheers -Peter smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:23:45 -0600, Mr. Gecko grmrge...@gmail.com said: Hello, I am wondering how I can get the last front application ProcessSerialNumber so I can use SetFrontProcess to bring it back to front after they close the window to my application. You can track applications as they come to the front using Carbon Events. http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/cocoa/155984-detecting-frontmost-application.html m. -- matt neuburg, phd = m...@tidbits.com, http://www.apeth.net/matt/ A fool + a tool + an autorelease pool = cool! AppleScript: the Definitive Guide - Second Edition! http://www.apeth.net/matt/default.html#applescriptthings___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
The only question I would have is if I were to track the applications all the time, how much time on the processor would it require, would it 1. require enough that will slow down the user noticeably, or 2. would it be like just 0.1% of cpu in a few milliseconds. I try to be considerate of the customer and not do things that'll cause slow downs and all. One reason for this is I'm stuck with my older mac and I don't like things that slow me down. My big guess is number 2. On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Matt Neuburg wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:23:45 -0600, Mr. Gecko grmrge...@gmail.com said: Hello, I am wondering how I can get the last front application ProcessSerialNumber so I can use SetFrontProcess to bring it back to front after they close the window to my application. You can track applications as they come to the front using Carbon Events. http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/cocoa/155984-detecting-frontmost-application.html m. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
Carbon events are events. As long as you don't receive one, your app is waiting consuming 0% of the CPU. Le 9 févr. 2011 à 20:05, Mr. Gecko a écrit : The only question I would have is if I were to track the applications all the time, how much time on the processor would it require, would it 1. require enough that will slow down the user noticeably, or 2. would it be like just 0.1% of cpu in a few milliseconds. I try to be considerate of the customer and not do things that'll cause slow downs and all. One reason for this is I'm stuck with my older mac and I don't like things that slow me down. My big guess is number 2. On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Matt Neuburg wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:23:45 -0600, Mr. Gecko grmrge...@gmail.com said: Hello, I am wondering how I can get the last front application ProcessSerialNumber so I can use SetFrontProcess to bring it back to front after they close the window to my application. You can track applications as they come to the front using Carbon Events. http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/cocoa/155984-detecting-frontmost-application.html m. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/devlists%40shadowlab.org This email sent to devli...@shadowlab.org -- Jean-Daniel ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
In 10.6 or later, if you do need to know when apps are being activated, you can also uses the NSWorkspace notificationCenter and observe NSWorkspaceDidActivateApplicationNotification with something like this: [[[NSWorkspace sharedWorkspace] notificationCenter] addObserver:self selector:@selector(appWasActivated:) name:NSWorkspaceDidActivateApplicationNotification object:nil]; There are lots of other fun notifications in NSWorkspace to see what is going on outside of your app. Mark 2011/2/9 Mr. Gecko grmrge...@gmail.com: I'm looking for the process that was front before my application became front. I was thinking in getting the process as this is what I did in my menubar applications and I just stole code from them. I can do as Dave DeLong said and hide the application using [[NSApplication sharedApplication] hide:self]; and it does infact brings the finder to the front. This is an option with this application as I don't open any other window than the one when you open the application from the finder. But with other applications, it's not an option as there may be multiple windows for that one application open and when you hide, it will also hide the other windows they had open. I would be wondering how I can get the last front application (kinda how the dock does) so if I need to write an application in the future that needs multiple windows and also needs to be a UIAgent it would do the proper thing. I don't need to know this now, if it's not possible than fine, but if anyone out there knows how and wants to share, please do. On Feb 9, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Peter Lübke wrote: GetNextProcess() doesn't reflect the order in which processes were made front, as the Process Manager doc says: Note that the order of the list of processes is internal to the Process Manager which *seems* to be the order in which processes register with Process Manager; if this is true (I don't know whether you can rely on it), you could at least use GetNextProcess() to track the (backwards) order in which processes registered with process manager. An easy way to look at this is an AppleScript: tell application System Events name of every process end tell I don't quite understand the scenario though: are you looking for the process that was front before the user launched your application? Cheers -Peter ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/unmarked%40gmail.com This email sent to unmar...@gmail.com -- Mark Munz unmarked software http://www.unmarked.com/ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Get ProcessSerialNumber of last front application
You're optimizing prematurely. Try it and see! m. On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Mr. Gecko wrote: The only question I would have is if I were to track the applications all the time, how much time on the processor would it require, would it 1. require enough that will slow down the user noticeably, or 2. would it be like just 0.1% of cpu in a few milliseconds. I try to be considerate of the customer and not do things that'll cause slow downs and all. One reason for this is I'm stuck with my older mac and I don't like things that slow me down. My big guess is number 2. On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, Matt Neuburg wrote: On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:23:45 -0600, Mr. Gecko grmrge...@gmail.com said: Hello, I am wondering how I can get the last front application ProcessSerialNumber so I can use SetFrontProcess to bring it back to front after they close the window to my application. You can track applications as they come to the front using Carbon Events. http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/cocoa/155984-detecting-frontmost-application.html m. -- matt neuburg, phd = m...@tidbits.com, http://www.tidbits.com/matt/ pantes anthropoi tou eidenai oregontai phusei Among the 2007 MacTech Top 25, http://tinyurl.com/2rh4pf AppleScript: the Definitive Guide, 2nd edition http://www.tidbits.com/matt/default.html#applescriptthings Take Control of Exploring Customizing Snow Leopard http://tinyurl.com/kufyy8 RubyFrontier! http://www.apeth.com/RubyFrontierDocs/default.html TidBITS, Mac news and reviews since 1990, http://www.tidbits.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
