Re: offtopic: cocoa iphone

2008-05-07 Thread Mike Abdullah
As ever, the iPhone SDK is under the NDA you agreed to. You cannot  
discuss it here.


On 7 May 2008, at 14:32, Bruno Sanz wrote:


Hi

This is a bit off-topic but

Is this mail list also for "iphone cocoa" or there is another list for
iphone topics?

All the topics i see here are related to "MACOS X"



Thank you

Bruno
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Re: offtopic: cocoa iphone

2008-05-07 Thread I. Savant

On May 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Mike Abdullah wrote:

As ever, the iPhone SDK is under the NDA you agreed to. You cannot  
discuss it **ANYWHERE**.


  Fixed that for you. ;-)

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Re: offtopic: cocoa iphone

2008-05-07 Thread Jeremy Pereira


On 7 May 2008, at 14:47, I. Savant wrote:


On May 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Mike Abdullah wrote:

As ever, the iPhone SDK is under the NDA you agreed to. You cannot  
discuss it **ANYWHERE**.


 Fixed that for you. ;-)


As far as I can tell, the OP wasn't trying to discuss the iPhone SDK,  
but merely asking the question as to whether this list is the correct  
place to discuss it.  The pedantic answer is, of course, "no".  The  
slightly more helpful answer is "no, but here is where you can discuss  
it " or at least "no, but here is where you can report bugs  
".


If either of those are covered by the NDA then so must all the  
responses by various people telling various inquirers that they can't  
discuss the iPhone SDK on this list.


There have been dozens of NDA breaking enquiries on this list.  Surely  
that should tell Apple that they are doing something wrong.  This is a  
beta program and it is actually quite difficult to figure out where to  
post bugs.  What is the point of a beta program if you don't want  
people to tell you the bugs?





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Re: offtopic: cocoa iphone

2008-05-07 Thread Jens Alfke


On 7 May '08, at 6:13 PM, Jeremy Pereira wrote:

There have been dozens of NDA breaking enquiries on this list.   
Surely that should tell Apple that they are doing something wrong.   
This is a beta program and it is actually quite difficult to figure  
out where to post bugs.  What is the point of a beta program if you  
don't want people to tell you the bugs?


I agree that Apple has screwed up seriously on this, but the problem  
is not where to file bugs. You use http://bugreport.apple.com just  
like you do for any other type of bug.


—Jens

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[moderator] Re: offtopic: cocoa iphone

2008-05-07 Thread Scott Anguish


On May 7, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Jeremy Pereira wrote:



On 7 May 2008, at 14:47, I. Savant wrote:


On May 7, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Mike Abdullah wrote:

As ever, the iPhone SDK is under the NDA you agreed to. You cannot  
discuss it **ANYWHERE**.


Fixed that for you. ;-)


As far as I can tell, the OP wasn't trying to discuss the iPhone  
SDK, but merely asking the question as to whether this list is the  
correct place to discuss it.  The pedantic answer is, of course,  
"no".  The slightly more helpful answer is "no, but here is where  
you can discuss it " or at least "no, but here is where you  
can report bugs ".


If either of those are covered by the NDA then so must all the  
responses by various people telling various inquirers that they  
can't discuss the iPhone SDK on this list.


No, that's not true.




There have been dozens of NDA breaking enquiries on this list.   
Surely that should tell Apple that they are doing something wrong.   
This is a beta program and it is actually quite difficult to figure  
out where to post bugs.  What is the point of a beta program if you  
don't want people to tell you the bugs?


	Apple has always said that this is not an official channel for  
reporting bugs.


	I'm sure in your NDA agreement it mentions bugreporter.apple.com  
someplace.  this is where you file bugs.



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