Re: iPhone Programming For OS X Coders?
Sorry for chiming in late, Jens. Been busy. I like Cocoa Touch for iPhone OS 3 by Jiva Devoe and The iPhone Developer's Cookbook by Erica Sadun. Both focus specifically on UIKit elements with very little overlap to the desktop. Exceptions are CoreData and NSURLConnect/NSURLRequest. Still there are enough differences with CoreData and memory management that the overlap is warranted. Both of these are excellent references and short tutorials for how to use views, controllers, navigation, touch-event processing, and UI* controls in iPhone OS. No need to read through front to back, simply turn to the specific topic you are interested in implementing and you get pretty much what you need in just a page or two. Of course you can save some cash by simply reading Apple's excellent on-line docs for UIKit and Cocoa-Touch. -Michael On Apr 7, 2010, at 12:49 AM, Kyle Sluder wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Philip Mobley p...@dreystone.com wrote: iPhone 3.2 SDK just added UIBezierPath, but the 3.2 OS will only run on iPad right now. Who knows if the iPhone will ever run 3.2 OS or if they will just wait until 4.0. I imagine we'll find out on Thursday. --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/michaelacrawford%40me.com This email sent to michaelacrawf...@me.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
iPhone Programming For OS X Coders?
I have to confess that I haven't yet learned UIKit. The bits of iPhone development I've done so far have used networking and crypto APIs, and CoreAnimation, but hardly any of the UIKit classes. What would be the best book for me to learn from? Obviously most of the books out there don't assume you know Objective-C or Foundation or even Xcode, and will take time teaching those. I'd rather not have to buy or skim through stuff like that. Are there any books that assume you already know Cocoa programming and just cover what's different on the iPhone OS? —Jens___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: iPhone Programming For OS X Coders?
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote: I have to confess that I haven't yet learned UIKit. The bits of iPhone development I've done so far have used networking and crypto APIs, and CoreAnimation, but hardly any of the UIKit classes. What would be the best book for me to learn from? Obviously most of the books out there don't assume you know Objective-C or Foundation or even Xcode, and will take time teaching those. I'd rather not have to buy or skim through stuff like that. Are there any books that assume you already know Cocoa programming and just cover what's different on the iPhone OS? I don't know of any books like that, unfortunately. However, in my opinion, there are really just a couple of critical things that anybody coming from Cocoa needs to learn in order to handle Cocoa Touch well: The usage of UIViewControllers (which basically take the place of a window controllers/delegates in Cocoa), including the special view controllers in UIKit that exist only to organize other controllers into tabs and navigation trees; And the proper use of UITableView (which you'll often use to display all sorts of things, even things that don't feel tabular, just because it makes it easy to deal with arbitrary large lists of things that may need to scroll) and UITableViewCell, which is both more limited than its Cocoa equivalent in some ways (tables only have a single column, so the cell must fill the entire width) and more flexible in others (since it's a full-fledged subclass of UIView, you can easily display *anything* in there). All of these are pretty well documented by Apple. Good luck! -- // jack // http://nuthole.com // http://learncocoa.org ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: iPhone Programming For OS X Coders?
I think Dave Mark's iPhone programming books are just what you want. On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:29 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: I have to confess that I haven't yet learned UIKit. The bits of iPhone development I've done so far have used networking and crypto APIs, and CoreAnimation, but hardly any of the UIKit classes. What would be the best book for me to learn from? Obviously most of the books out there don't assume you know Objective-C or Foundation or even Xcode, and will take time teaching those. I'd rather not have to buy or skim through stuff like that. Are there any books that assume you already know Cocoa programming and just cover what's different on the iPhone OS? —Jens___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: iPhone Programming For OS X Coders?
On Apr 6, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: I have to confess that I haven't yet learned UIKit. The bits of iPhone development I've done so far have used networking and crypto APIs, and CoreAnimation, but hardly any of the UIKit classes. What would be the best book for me to learn from? Obviously most of the books out there don't assume you know Objective-C or Foundation or even Xcode, and will take time teaching those. I'd rather not have to buy or skim through stuff like that. Are there any books that assume you already know Cocoa programming and just cover what's different on the iPhone OS? For starters take a look at, http://developer.apple.com/iphone/library/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/CocoaFundamentals/WhatIsCocoa/WhatIsCocoa.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002974-CH3-SW16 About halfway down is a discussion of Foundation Classes and a diagram showing which are implemented in MacOSX and iPhone OS. Farther down are discussions of Application Kit and UIKit with diagrams showing their implementations. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: iPhone Programming For OS X Coders?
On Apr 6, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Jens Alfke wrote: I have to confess that I haven't yet learned UIKit. The bits of iPhone development I've done so far have used networking and crypto APIs, and CoreAnimation, but hardly any of the UIKit classes. What would be the best book for me to learn from? Obviously most of the books out there don't assume you know Objective-C or Foundation or even Xcode, and will take time teaching those. I'd rather not have to buy or skim through stuff like that. Are there any books that assume you already know Cocoa programming and just cover what's different on the iPhone OS? As Bob Estes said, the Dave Mark / Jeff LeMarche books are pretty good. Apart from that, o the programming concepts of the iPhone focus on presenting single screens of content o each screen of content is represented by a single UIView that is the root of a view hierarchy o each of those single views is in turn managed by a UIViewController or one of its sub-classes o there are various schemes for navigating between screens So the architecture of a good iPhone application is determined by the screens of content and the transitions between them.The logic of those transitions will end up being implemented via a network of View Controllers. Two of the primary navigation schemes are implemented by UITabBarController and UINavigationController (usually in conjunction with a UITableViewController). You see UITabBarController in action in the iPhone World Clock application. You see UINavigationController (with UITableViewController) in the iPhone Settings application (and many others). The iPhone Weather application shows another navigational scheme known as Page Control, which uses a UIScrollView as a 'paging' mechanism, and there's a UIPageControl widget on the bottom to navigate that way if you wish to. There's no NSBezierPath parallel on the phone, so you get down into Core Graphics a lot more than with Appkit. Core Data is available. The phone does not have bindings, but does have KVC and KVO. There's a lot more, of course, but you'll find many more similarities than differences (apart from UIWindow being a sub-class of UIView . . .). I think the UIKit team did a great job in 'lowering the barriers to entry' (to speak like a marketroid). Cheers, . . . . . . . .Henry___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: iPhone Programming For OS X Coders?
On Apr 6, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Henry McGilton wrote: There's no NSBezierPath parallel on the phone, so you get down into Core Graphics a lot more than with Appkit. iPhone 3.2 SDK just added UIBezierPath, but the 3.2 OS will only run on iPad right now. Who knows if the iPhone will ever run 3.2 OS or if they will just wait until 4.0. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: iPhone Programming For OS X Coders?
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Philip Mobley p...@dreystone.com wrote: iPhone 3.2 SDK just added UIBezierPath, but the 3.2 OS will only run on iPad right now. Who knows if the iPhone will ever run 3.2 OS or if they will just wait until 4.0. I imagine we'll find out on Thursday. --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
