Powered by Cocoon...?

[BeardedDragon.org]

Hey all,

I was just wondering if there were any "Powered by Cocoon" images to place
at the footer of my site.  I took the main logo for Cocoon2, and made a
slight modification to it to add the "Powered by" to it.  I don't know if
that's an okay thing to do, but figured it's a little better than not
having ANY kind of credit to Cocoon.  :)

Also...

I posted about a link to my site on the "Live Sites" section a while back.
 Dunno if that ever got to the right person, so I'll try again...

My site is powered by Cocoon2.  It's my first real attempt with Cocoon (of
any version), and I think I did fairly well.  I was very impressed with
how quick I got up to speed (despite my frustrations with the limited
documentation).  My site (URL below) may be posted in the public list, if
desired.

Robocode Fanatics!
http://robocode.diverman.com/


On a related note...
I couldn't pull up the xslt-patterns.com site as it is linked.  Nor did
xsltpatterns.com work (thought I'd try before posting this).

Cheers,
-Alex

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RE: .NET vs. Cocoon

[Robert]

Touché Jeremy! I have seen many previous
ASP folks move to Java, write a bunch of servlets and
JSPs and then call themselves Java developers. I say
they are web developers using Java. Does one call an ASP developer a VB
developer? 

 

You also bring the VERY good point of
design, and MS’s push for lack of. Yes one can do a good app with MS
technologies, but it isn’t encouraged enough. Matter of fact, MS recently
announced a version of the Java PetStore app and said
it was like 40% or so faster, yet it was the typical ASP app, ASP using ADO to
access a database. No design, no scalability, etc, etc., etc. 

 

Robert

 

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Aston
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 5:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: .NET vs. Cocoon

 



Hi Jeremy (top name btw
;-))





 





As other posters have
pointed out .NET (ASP at the mo really) is not a framework in the way C2 is
hence you are not really comparing like to like.  No doubt you could build
a .NET version of Cocoon but as far as I can see most ASP apps have one big
problem that overrides all - the developers.  The great thing about MS is
that they open up alot of technology, give heaps of info away but this all
comes at a price.  Many asp apps are hacks (in the crap coding sense of
the word).  Many (not all) ASP developers use the neat tools MS give ya to
pull stuff together and end up writing unstable, unscalable, unmanagable
hacks.  They have no real understanding of design and good web app
architecture and write crap.  Talk to them about lowl level site
customisation, branding, internationalisation, content management and you see
the eyes glaze over.  I know I have just taken over a team of them...





 





You can write a dog of an
app with J2EE.  There are plenty of charlatans posing as Java
developers.  JSP has all the problems of ASP and is equally hacked. 
No doubt there will be many things that will be exposed as bad practice with C2
BUT





 





To really get into Java
demands a certain level of OO understanding and C2 is built on some best
practice of how to solve MVC issues.  Work with Cocoon (and/or other
frameworks such as Struts) and you are working within an environment that
is encouraging best practice.  On top of that you have got open source, a
thriving community and lots of free code.  To me Cocoon (and J2EE for that
matter) is all about web *application* development not merely adding some
dynamic stuff to a web site.





 





Don't get me wrong - you
can build quality sites using ASP, good design practice applies across the board
and MS have their approaches for multi channel delivery but there are loads
more ASP hackers (again in the dodgy sense of the word) that ASP
developers.  .NET will just compound that cos ti will solve problems but
not educate the development community enough.





 





I know the problem is
really coders who don't know enough about design but I believe that the
ASP/.NET approach helps coders ignore and bypass design - many more Java
based coders understand good design and C2 et al are great applications of that.





 





All my ever so
humble opinion but I am sure I'll need to duck the incoming..





 





jez





-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Crosbie
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 November 2001 18:49
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: .NET vs. Cocoon

I work for a company who's presence
is mostly associated with the wireless web although we do have a web presence.
We support all sorts of devices (PDAs, phones, PocketPC, etc.) with each
essentially having its own separate codebase which has become a maintenance
nightmare. With WAP2.0 coming soon to a phone near you we want to avoid having
to support so many codebases.

 

We realized this as a problem some
months ago and began evaluating different technologies. I had been following
Cocoon for some time and now with Cocoon in the release candidate stage it
looks to be a solid solution. However another alternative has presented itself
in the form of .NET which has gained some momentum. As far as my knowledge goes
with .NET I still find Cocoon to be a superior solution to the problem than
.NET. Has anyone done any comparisons between the two platforms that they are
willing to share? Any information is greatly appreciated.

 

Jeremy Michael
Crosbie

Senior Software
Engineer

go2.com

go2Address:
US.CA.IRV.GO2

 

RE: including HTML formatting in SAX events (Cocoon 2)

[Liam Morley]

Thanks, that worked perfectly.

Liam Morley

> -Original Message-
> From: Luca Morandini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:07 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: including HTML formatting in SAX events (Cocoon 2)
> 
> Liam,
> 
> I think you should use the attribute
> disable-output-escaping (with the value of "yes") in 
> elements
> of your XSL.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> P.S.
> Please, use plain text next time.
> 
> -
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Re: Unable to install Cocoon2 RC2 on Tomcat 4.0.1

[Sérgio Carvalho]

> Logging Error: Could not set up Cocoon Logger, will use screen
> instead
> org.apache.avalon.framework.configuration.ConfigurationException:
> cannot create FileTarget
> at
> org.apache.avalon.excalibur.logger.factory.FileTargetFactory.createTarge
> t(Unknown Source)
> at
> org.apache.avalon.excalibur.logger.DefaultLogTargetManager.configure(Unk
> nown Source)
>  
> (rest of stacktrace deleted)
> 
> Any hints?
> Thanks a lot in advance for any suggestions.
> GB

Check that the user running cocoon is able to write in
../cocoon/WEB-INF/logs
this is where cocoon logfiles are created.
  
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newbie Question abt number of xsls

[Arun.N]

Hi,
        
Is it possible to have only one xsl for each type ML ie one for WAP one for and 
one for HTML generation and etc.
And all the xml page should use the 
same stylesheet. according to the useragent it should pick one of the xsl in all 
the pages.
I have a senario where there are 200 
pages in the application. As far as my understanding for each page we should 
write an xsl and one for each type of ML. Is there any generic approach ? 
because the application will have lots of pages if there is one to one. 

ie, as of now i have to support html 
wap and chtml ... that becomes 200 xmls + 600 xsl !!!
 
Please suggest me what to do 
??
I also welcome someother sort of 
implementaion also.
Thankx in advance,
Arun.N

RE: how to get Cocoon to work in Tomcat

[Jeremy Aston]

Hi Fook Sheng,

Best place to look is in the docs - lots of info there! The mail archives
for this list has loads of stuff as well for both tc3 and 4.  Try
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-users and search away.

Regards

Jeremy

-Original Message-
From: Chan Fook Sheng (CAPL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 17 November 2001 04:16
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: how to get Cocoon to work in Tomcat


Hi

I have got Tomcat running with IIS 5. Now I want to make Cocoon work under
Tomcat, either as a servlet or at the core servlet engine level?

Thank you very much,

Fook Sheng

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