Re: [CODE4LIB] MODS-to-citation stylesheets

[Andrew Ashton]

Thanks for the Citeproc recommendation - it is exactly what I'm looking for.


On 1/12/09 12:45 PM, "Erik Hetzner"  wrote:

> At Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:11:59 -0800,
> Walker, David wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you know if it is specifically geared
>>> toward Zotero's SQLite data structures?
>> 
>> I don't believe so, since the CSL standard, such that it is,
>> predates Zotero.
>> 
>> I've worked with CSL a little bit in trying to create a PHP CSL
>> rules engine. Not a trivial task, to say the least, but long-term it
>> would serve you very well. I think there are Python and Ruby CSL
>> libraries, but my impression, like Jonathan's, is that they are
>> still somewhat in the works.
> 
> Hi -
> 
> You might have a look at citeproc [1].
> 
> -Erik
> 
> 1. 
> ;; Erik Hetzner, California Digital Library
> ;; gnupg key id: 1024D/01DB07E3

Re: [CODE4LIB] hotel for conf?

[Cloutman, David]

I had the same issue when I booked a couple of weeks ago. Maybe we
should offer to rewrite their reservation system. ;)



---
David Cloutman 
Electronic Services Librarian
Marin County Free Library 

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Schneider, Wayne
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:42 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] hotel for conf?


Hey, Jonathan.  That's weird - the hotel told me (well, the web site
told me) that 1 king bed was not available at this time.  I placed the
reservation Wednesday.  Have you called?  I wouldn't mind swapping,
since I'm not sharing the room with anyone, but I begin to suspect that
the guest block may simply be overbooked.

wayne

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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Rochkind
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:15 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] hotel for conf?


So the Marriott for the conference hotel is telling me there are no 
rooms with two queen beds available. That's kind of a problem, since I 
was planning on sharing a room with a colleague.

Anyone know if there's any way around that?

Jonathan

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Re: [CODE4LIB] MODS-to-citation stylesheets

[Erik Hetzner]

At Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:11:59 -0800,
Walker, David wrote:
>
> > Do you know if it is specifically geared
> > toward Zotero's SQLite data structures?
>
> I don't believe so, since the CSL standard, such that it is,
> predates Zotero.
>
> I've worked with CSL a little bit in trying to create a PHP CSL
> rules engine. Not a trivial task, to say the least, but long-term it
> would serve you very well. I think there are Python and Ruby CSL
> libraries, but my impression, like Jonathan's, is that they are
> still somewhat in the works.

Hi -

You might have a look at citeproc [1].

-Erik

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Re: [CODE4LIB] MODS-to-citation stylesheets

[Tom Keays]

CSL was originally developed as an Open Office add-on using, I think, CiteProc.

http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/citeproc/
http://bibliographic.openoffice.org/citeproc/index.html

CiteProc says it supports MODS. [Mind you, I haven't used any of these
components.]

Tom

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Andrew Ashton  wrote:
> Thanks, I have heard of CSL but never really worked with it.  Do you know if
> it is specifically geared toward Zotero's SQLite data structures?  We're
> interested in generating citations in web apps from a native XML database of
> MODS, preferably without going through Zotero.
>
> I've experimented with generating the citations from our eXist-based system
> by way of Zotero, but we run into genre-authority issues.  Zotero's default
> MODS import translator expects  and our
> system uses other authorities.  Granted, I'm working off of some older
> Zotero code, so I may not have the most recent info.
>
> -Andy
>
>
> On 1/12/09 10:51 AM, "Jonathan Rochkind"  wrote:
>
>> What I've been meaning to investigate more fully is the "Citation Style
>> Language" (CSL) which is used by Zotero for citation outputting--there
>> are some other non-Zotero engines for CSL, but I'm not sure how
>> mature/ready for production any of them are. The Zotero engine is of
>> course in Javascript, so inconvenient (although not impossible) to
>> re-use that code a server side app.
>>
>> I haven't really investigated what's going on with CSL, but that seems
>> to be the 'right' way to deal with this to me. Once you have a CSL
>> engine incorporated in your app, you can output not just in Chicago or
>> MLA, but any citation style now or in the future that Zotero (or anyone
>> else) provides a CSL file for. Thanks to Zotero (and it's partners?) for
>> developing this re-useable CSL format instead of just a custom Zotero
>> solution.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> Andrew Ashton wrote:
>>> Can someone point me at any good, freely-available stylesheets to convert
>>> MODS to Chicago or MLA formatted citations?  It seems like something that
>>> should be readily available, but I can¹t seem to find it.   I¹d rather not
>>> reinvent the wheel if possible...
>>>
>>> Thanks, Andy
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] MODS-to-citation stylesheets

[Walker, David]

> Do you know if it is specifically geared 
> toward Zotero's SQLite data structures?

I don't believe so, since the CSL standard, such that it is, predates Zotero.

I've worked with CSL a little bit in trying to create a PHP CSL rules engine.  
Not a trivial task, to say the least, but long-term it would serve you very 
well.  I think there are Python and Ruby CSL libraries, but my impression, like 
Jonathan's, is that they are still somewhat in the works.

--Dave

==
David Walker
Library Web Services Manager
California State University
http://xerxes.calstate.edu

From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Ashton 
[andrew_ash...@brown.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:06 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MODS-to-citation stylesheets

Thanks, I have heard of CSL but never really worked with it.  Do you know if
it is specifically geared toward Zotero's SQLite data structures?  We're
interested in generating citations in web apps from a native XML database of
MODS, preferably without going through Zotero.

I've experimented with generating the citations from our eXist-based system
by way of Zotero, but we run into genre-authority issues.  Zotero's default
MODS import translator expects  and our
system uses other authorities.  Granted, I'm working off of some older
Zotero code, so I may not have the most recent info.

-Andy


On 1/12/09 10:51 AM, "Jonathan Rochkind"  wrote:

> What I've been meaning to investigate more fully is the "Citation Style
> Language" (CSL) which is used by Zotero for citation outputting--there
> are some other non-Zotero engines for CSL, but I'm not sure how
> mature/ready for production any of them are. The Zotero engine is of
> course in Javascript, so inconvenient (although not impossible) to
> re-use that code a server side app.
>
> I haven't really investigated what's going on with CSL, but that seems
> to be the 'right' way to deal with this to me. Once you have a CSL
> engine incorporated in your app, you can output not just in Chicago or
> MLA, but any citation style now or in the future that Zotero (or anyone
> else) provides a CSL file for. Thanks to Zotero (and it's partners?) for
> developing this re-useable CSL format instead of just a custom Zotero
> solution.
>
> Jonathan
>
> Andrew Ashton wrote:
>> Can someone point me at any good, freely-available stylesheets to convert
>> MODS to Chicago or MLA formatted citations?  It seems like something that
>> should be readily available, but I can¹t seem to find it.   I¹d rather not
>> reinvent the wheel if possible...
>>
>> Thanks, Andy
>>
>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] MODS-to-citation stylesheets

[Andrew Ashton]

Thanks, I have heard of CSL but never really worked with it.  Do you know if
it is specifically geared toward Zotero's SQLite data structures?  We're
interested in generating citations in web apps from a native XML database of
MODS, preferably without going through Zotero.

I've experimented with generating the citations from our eXist-based system
by way of Zotero, but we run into genre-authority issues.  Zotero's default
MODS import translator expects  and our
system uses other authorities.  Granted, I'm working off of some older
Zotero code, so I may not have the most recent info.

-Andy


On 1/12/09 10:51 AM, "Jonathan Rochkind"  wrote:

> What I've been meaning to investigate more fully is the "Citation Style
> Language" (CSL) which is used by Zotero for citation outputting--there
> are some other non-Zotero engines for CSL, but I'm not sure how
> mature/ready for production any of them are. The Zotero engine is of
> course in Javascript, so inconvenient (although not impossible) to
> re-use that code a server side app.
> 
> I haven't really investigated what's going on with CSL, but that seems
> to be the 'right' way to deal with this to me. Once you have a CSL
> engine incorporated in your app, you can output not just in Chicago or
> MLA, but any citation style now or in the future that Zotero (or anyone
> else) provides a CSL file for. Thanks to Zotero (and it's partners?) for
> developing this re-useable CSL format instead of just a custom Zotero
> solution.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Andrew Ashton wrote:
>> Can someone point me at any good, freely-available stylesheets to convert
>> MODS to Chicago or MLA formatted citations?  It seems like something that
>> should be readily available, but I can¹t seem to find it.   I¹d rather not
>> reinvent the wheel if possible...
>> 
>> Thanks, Andy
>> 
>>   

Re: [CODE4LIB] MODS-to-citation stylesheets

[Jonathan Rochkind]

What I've been meaning to investigate more fully is the "Citation Style 
Language" (CSL) which is used by Zotero for citation outputting--there 
are some other non-Zotero engines for CSL, but I'm not sure how 
mature/ready for production any of them are. The Zotero engine is of 
course in Javascript, so inconvenient (although not impossible) to 
re-use that code a server side app.


I haven't really investigated what's going on with CSL, but that seems 
to be the 'right' way to deal with this to me. Once you have a CSL 
engine incorporated in your app, you can output not just in Chicago or 
MLA, but any citation style now or in the future that Zotero (or anyone 
else) provides a CSL file for. Thanks to Zotero (and it's partners?) for 
developing this re-useable CSL format instead of just a custom Zotero 
solution.


Jonathan

Andrew Ashton wrote:

Can someone point me at any good, freely-available stylesheets to convert
MODS to Chicago or MLA formatted citations?  It seems like something that
should be readily available, but I can¹t seem to find it.   I¹d rather not
reinvent the wheel if possible...

Thanks, Andy

  


--
Jonathan Rochkind
Digital Services Software Engineer
The Sheridan Libraries
Johns Hopkins University
410.516.8886 
rochkind (at) jhu.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] hotel for conf?

[Tom Keays]

My experience in calling was that the booking person said (just
minutes ago) that there are rooms available but that rooms set aside
for the conference rate have all been sold out. If I want to pay $219
a night, they'll reserve a room for me. Otherwise, nope. They wouldn't
negotiate the rate with me.

I was going to be sharing the room with someone, so two of us are
currently out of luck. If I need to book with another hotel, I  need
to know pretty soon.

Jean: can you check on this?

Tom Keays


On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Bess Sadler  wrote:
> Hey, Brian. I ran into the same problem today, but I called on the phone and
> they were able to book me at the conference rate anyway. If anyone else runs
> into this problem do try telephoning.
>
> Bess
>
> On 11-Jan-09, at 12:04 AM, Brian Seitz wrote:
>
>> I just tried to book a room using the discount code and the website told
>> me there are no rooms available for that code/date.  So it seems it is
>> overbooked.  Hopefully the block can be increased.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> - "jean rainwater"  wrote:
>>
>>> We're getting very close to filling the guest block. We talked to the
>>> hotel folks yesterday about the possibility of increasing it but
>>> don't
>>> have an answer yet.  Anyone who's registered and has not made a
>>> reservation yet should do asap. -- Jean
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Schneider, Wayne
>>>  wrote:

 Hey, Jonathan.  That's weird - the hotel told me (well, the web
>>>
>>> site

 told me) that 1 king bed was not available at this time.  I placed
>>>
>>> the

 reservation Wednesday.  Have you called?  I wouldn't mind swapping,
 since I'm not sharing the room with anyone, but I begin to suspect
>>>
>>> that

 the guest block may simply be overbooked.

  wayne

 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf
>>>
>>> Of

 Jonathan Rochkind
 Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:15 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: [CODE4LIB] hotel for conf?


 So the Marriott for the conference hotel is telling me there are no
 rooms with two queen beds available. That's kind of a problem, since
>>>
>>> I

 was planning on sharing a room with a colleague.

 Anyone know if there's any way around that?

 Jonathan

 --
 Jonathan Rochkind
 Digital Services Software Engineer
 The Sheridan Libraries
 Johns Hopkins University
 410.516.8886
 rochkind (at) jhu.edu

>>
>> --
>> Brian Seitz
>> Tri-College Libraries
>> Bryn Mawr | Haverford | Swarthmore
>> 610-526-5294
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] hotel for conf?

[jean rainwater]

Over the weekend the group block sold out. The hotel is not willing to
extend it . Rooms are available at the rate of $219 per night.  There
may be some attrition so it is worth calling the hotel (Renaissance
Providence) to see a room at the group rate ($135) is available. --
888 236-2427, 401-919-5000

Some nearby hotels (all in walking distance of the Renaissance):
Courtyard Providence:
http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pvddt-courtyard-providence-downtown/
1-800-321-2211, 1-401-272-1191

Hilton Providence:
http://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/PVDPRHF-Hilton-Providence-Rhode-Island/index.do
1-800-HILTONS, 1-401-831-3900

Westin Providence:
http://www.westinprovidence.com/
800- WESTIN-1, (401) 598-8000

Hotel Providence
http://www.hotelprovidence.com/
800-861-8990, 401-861-8000

Providence Biltmore
http://www.providencebiltmore.com/
800-294-7709

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Bess Sadler  wrote:
> Hey, Brian. I ran into the same problem today, but I called on the phone and
> they were able to book me at the conference rate anyway. If anyone else runs
> into this problem do try telephoning.
>
> Bess
>
> On 11-Jan-09, at 12:04 AM, Brian Seitz wrote:
>
>> I just tried to book a room using the discount code and the website told
>> me there are no rooms available for that code/date.  So it seems it is
>> overbooked.  Hopefully the block can be increased.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> - "jean rainwater"  wrote:
>>
>>> We're getting very close to filling the guest block. We talked to the
>>> hotel folks yesterday about the possibility of increasing it but
>>> don't
>>> have an answer yet.  Anyone who's registered and has not made a
>>> reservation yet should do asap. -- Jean
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Schneider, Wayne
>>>  wrote:

 Hey, Jonathan.  That's weird - the hotel told me (well, the web
>>>
>>> site

 told me) that 1 king bed was not available at this time.  I placed
>>>
>>> the

 reservation Wednesday.  Have you called?  I wouldn't mind swapping,
 since I'm not sharing the room with anyone, but I begin to suspect
>>>
>>> that

 the guest block may simply be overbooked.

  wayne

 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf
>>>
>>> Of

 Jonathan Rochkind
 Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:15 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: [CODE4LIB] hotel for conf?


 So the Marriott for the conference hotel is telling me there are no
 rooms with two queen beds available. That's kind of a problem, since
>>>
>>> I

 was planning on sharing a room with a colleague.

 Anyone know if there's any way around that?

 Jonathan

 --
 Jonathan Rochkind
 Digital Services Software Engineer
 The Sheridan Libraries
 Johns Hopkins University
 410.516.8886
 rochkind (at) jhu.edu

>>
>> --
>> Brian Seitz
>> Tri-College Libraries
>> Bryn Mawr | Haverford | Swarthmore
>> 610-526-5294
>

[CODE4LIB] MODS-to-citation stylesheets

[Andrew Ashton]

Can someone point me at any good, freely-available stylesheets to convert
MODS to Chicago or MLA formatted citations?  It seems like something that
should be readily available, but I can¹t seem to find it.   I¹d rather not
reinvent the wheel if possible...

Thanks, Andy