[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2012 Seattle Update.
Code4Lib Seattle 2012 update. Thanks to Elizabeth Duell of Orbis Cascade Alliance and Cary Gordon of chillco.com, we finally have a venue with adequate (hopefully) bandwidth and wireless access points, a reasonable food beverage minimum, and chairs! The Renaissance Hotel (515 Madison St., Seattle, WA 98104) is located in the chilly heart of downtown Seattle, still close to the University district, but even closer to the restaurants, bars, breweries and distilleries in the Belltown, Downtown, Pioneer Square, and Capitol Hill neighborhoods. We could use lots of help, please consider volunteering for a committee: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_committees_sign-up_page --Anj -- Anjanette Young | Systems Librarian University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 | Seattle, WA 98195 Phone: 206.616.2867
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2012 Seattle Update.
Anj, I justed finished my first year as a MLIS student at the iSchool (UW). I'd love to help coordinate the meetup. Contact me personally to sort out a meeting. Thanks, Tod Robbins
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2012 Seattle Update.
Hi Anjanette, Does this mean you've settled on dates? --jay On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.edu wrote: Code4Lib Seattle 2012 update. Thanks to Elizabeth Duell of Orbis Cascade Alliance and Cary Gordon of chillco.com, we finally have a venue with adequate (hopefully) bandwidth and wireless access points, a reasonable food beverage minimum, and chairs! The Renaissance Hotel (515 Madison St., Seattle, WA 98104) is located in the chilly heart of downtown Seattle, still close to the University district, but even closer to the restaurants, bars, breweries and distilleries in the Belltown, Downtown, Pioneer Square, and Capitol Hill neighborhoods. We could use lots of help, please consider volunteering for a committee: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_committees_sign-up_page --Anj -- Anjanette Young | Systems Librarian University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 | Seattle, WA 98195 Phone: 206.616.2867
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2012 Seattle Update.
Thanks for the reminder. Dates: Feb 6 - 9, 2012. --Anjanette On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Jay Luker lb...@reallywow.com wrote: Hi Anjanette, Does this mean you've settled on dates? --jay On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.edu wrote: Code4Lib Seattle 2012 update. Thanks to Elizabeth Duell of Orbis Cascade Alliance and Cary Gordon of chillco.com, we finally have a venue with adequate (hopefully) bandwidth and wireless access points, a reasonable food beverage minimum, and chairs! The Renaissance Hotel (515 Madison St., Seattle, WA 98104) is located in the chilly heart of downtown Seattle, still close to the University district, but even closer to the restaurants, bars, breweries and distilleries in the Belltown, Downtown, Pioneer Square, and Capitol Hill neighborhoods. We could use lots of help, please consider volunteering for a committee: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_committees_sign-up_page --Anj -- Anjanette Young | Systems Librarian University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 | Seattle, WA 98195 Phone: 206.616.2867
[CODE4LIB] RDF for opening times/hours?
I am building a little web service that spits out info on when the libraries (a central library and two branches) are open and what the hours are for that day. As those who work in academic libraries know, it's not the *regular* hours, but all the exception dates/hours that are important (Spring break, Maymester, intersession, Christmas holidays, yadda, yadda). This app knows all the exceptions. The basic idea is that it provides real-time, is it open right now info for *today* (as well as today's hours). If this sounds mobile-y, it's because it was originally conceived as an addition to our Library's mobile website. I'm trying to figure out the most flexible output markup (RDF schema?), one that would allow the widest use of the web service in addition to outputting HTML markup for a mobile site page. I've googled and found a few things, but nothing that really seems to fit. Most of them (e.g. the RDF OpeningHoursUseCase on W3C [1]) are more about rules for recurring intervals. My interest is not in representing the totality of the schedule (again, because of all the exception dates/times) but in representing one day (i.e. today). So I don't care about representing recurring intervals. And actually, the Outsider Comments use cases at the bottom of the OpeningHoursUseCase site mentioned above are almost exactly what I'm trying to satisfy (just substitute library where you see shop or restaurant): quote I'm looking for exactly this xml, but this seems to be very complex,and going off in different tangents. Here are my use cases: - I wish to go to a shop or restaurant, and I wish to know if it's open for the next few hours. - It's late at night, and I need to go to the drug store or a small market. I wish to be able to search for a business that is open right now. The search should happen on a mapping site, or a web search site. - I have business with a microbusiness that's open only a few days a week. It's important enough for me to bring their schedule into my calendar, temporarily, so I can get there when they're open. - I want to coordinate a trip and run a few errands. I would like to get all the hours for relevant businesses on a specific day. I can sort through the hours myself. /quote I also saw that opening times in RDF was listed as a use case in the Code4Lib wiki Library Ontology page [2]. However in the Relevant formats and models section the links just complete the loop back to things like the OpeningHoursUseCase previously mentioned. Anyone done anything like this? Any ideas? Suggestions? (This is my first baby-step into RDF, so don't assume any prior knowledge on my part.) -- Michael [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/OpeningHoursUseCase [2] http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Library_Ontology # Michael Doran, Systems Librarian # University of Texas at Arlington # 817-272-5326 office # 817-688-1926 mobile # do...@uta.edu # http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/
Re: [CODE4LIB] RDF for opening times/hours?
There was a time, about 5 years ago, when I assumed that microformats were the way to go and spent a bit of time looking at hCalendar for representing iCalendar-formatted event information. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar Not long after that, there was a lot of talk about RDF and RDFa for this same purpose. Now I was confused as to whether to change my strategy or not, but RDF Calendar seemed to be a good idea. The latter also was nice because it could be used to syndicate event information via RSS. http://pemberton-vandf.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-do-hcalendar-in-rdfa.html http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfcal/ These days it seems to be all about HTML5 microdata, especially because of Rich Snippets and Google's support for this approach. http://html5doctor.com/microdata/#microdata-action All three approaches allow you to embed iCalendar formatted event information on a web page. All three of them do it differently. I'm even more confused now than I was 5 years ago. This should not be this hard, yet there is still no definitive way to deploy this information and preserve the semantics of the event information. Part of this may be because the iCalendar format, although widely used, is itself insufficient. Tom
Re: [CODE4LIB] RDF for opening times/hours?
I'd suggest having a look at the Goid Relations ontology http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Quickstart - it's aimed at businesses but the OpeningHours specification might do what you need http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1.html#OpeningHoursSpecification While handling public holidays etc is not immediately obvious it is covered in this mail http://ebusiness-unibw.org/pipermail/goodrelations/2010-October/000261.html Picking up on the previous comment Good Relations in RDFa is one of the formats Google use for Rich Snippets and it is also picked up by Yahoo Owen On 7 Jun 2011, at 23:05, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: There was a time, about 5 years ago, when I assumed that microformats were the way to go and spent a bit of time looking at hCalendar for representing iCalendar-formatted event information. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar Not long after that, there was a lot of talk about RDF and RDFa for this same purpose. Now I was confused as to whether to change my strategy or not, but RDF Calendar seemed to be a good idea. The latter also was nice because it could be used to syndicate event information via RSS. http://pemberton-vandf.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-do-hcalendar-in-rdfa.html http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfcal/ These days it seems to be all about HTML5 microdata, especially because of Rich Snippets and Google's support for this approach. http://html5doctor.com/microdata/#microdata-action All three approaches allow you to embed iCalendar formatted event information on a web page. All three of them do it differently. I'm even more confused now than I was 5 years ago. This should not be this hard, yet there is still no definitive way to deploy this information and preserve the semantics of the event information. Part of this may be because the iCalendar format, although widely used, is itself insufficient. Tom
Re: [CODE4LIB] RDF for opening times/hours?
Honestly, the API and schema are second to UX to manage the hours. The actual API to the web service is trivial and just a matter of deciding on an interface and schema that you like and that most future-proofs your work. Personally, I would probably disregard it unless it has a JSONP format so that I can easily include it on pages using JavaScript. If it was some overly complex RDF thing I'd only consider it if it had amazing management of the hours. Which brings me to my main point... It needs to be simple and flexible such that a layman can manage it. Currently tools are designed for easy data transfer to databases, e.g. a list of defaults for a given date range and then dozens of exceptions for specific dates. Most people are overwhelmed that. Consequently, changing hours often involves not only administrative changes but also assistance from technical people. It needs to be simple for admin assistants to refactor the hours. Lastly, from my experience the biggest problem is propagating changes throughout multiple systems. Yes, not all changes can be done by administrative assistants from some single management tool (e.g. systems staff may have to modify the ILS calendar) but there needs to be an easy way to determine the specific changes between each change... Like a diff, so that changes are easy to delegate to appropriate staff. Looking over my email, such features would be incredibly difficult to implement well, but at least from my experience they're the actual problems that plague libraries. Honestly, we'll conform to whatever technical implementation you choose (hell, I'd accept some bizarre MARC-encoded hours) so long as you actually tackle the real problems. Otherwise, it's just some web service that can be easily implemented in an hour and is useless. Brice Stacey UMass Boston Sent from my iPad On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote: I am building a little web service that spits out info on when the libraries (a central library and two branches) are open and what the hours are for that day. As those who work in academic libraries know, it's not the *regular* hours, but all the exception dates/hours that are important (Spring break, Maymester, intersession, Christmas holidays, yadda, yadda). This app knows all the exceptions. The basic idea is that it provides real-time, is it open right now info for *today* (as well as today's hours). If this sounds mobile-y, it's because it was originally conceived as an addition to our Library's mobile website. I'm trying to figure out the most flexible output markup (RDF schema?), one that would allow the widest use of the web service in addition to outputting HTML markup for a mobile site page. I've googled and found a few things, but nothing that really seems to fit. Most of them (e.g. the RDF OpeningHoursUseCase on W3C [1]) are more about rules for recurring intervals. My interest is not in representing the totality of the schedule (again, because of all the exception dates/times) but in representing one day (i.e. today). So I don't care about representing recurring intervals. And actually, the Outsider Comments use cases at the bottom of the OpeningHoursUseCase site mentioned above are almost exactly what I'm trying to satisfy (just substitute library where you see shop or restaurant): quote I'm looking for exactly this xml, but this seems to be very complex,and going off in different tangents. Here are my use cases: - I wish to go to a shop or restaurant, and I wish to know if it's open for the next few hours. - It's late at night, and I need to go to the drug store or a small market. I wish to be able to search for a business that is open right now. The search should happen on a mapping site, or a web search site. - I have business with a microbusiness that's open only a few days a week. It's important enough for me to bring their schedule into my calendar, temporarily, so I can get there when they're open. - I want to coordinate a trip and run a few errands. I would like to get all the hours for relevant businesses on a specific day. I can sort through the hours myself. /quote I also saw that opening times in RDF was listed as a use case in the Code4Lib wiki Library Ontology page [2]. However in the Relevant formats and models section the links just complete the loop back to things like the OpeningHoursUseCase previously mentioned. Anyone done anything like this? Any ideas? Suggestions? (This is my first baby-step into RDF, so don't assume any prior knowledge on my part.) -- Michael [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/OpeningHoursUseCase [2] http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Library_Ontology # Michael Doran, Systems Librarian # University of Texas at Arlington # 817-272-5326 office # 817-688-1926 mobile #
Re: [CODE4LIB] RDF for opening times/hours?
I wonder if you could get by using Google Calendar as the 'interface', consumed via client and then published in whatever human-readable and semantic formats you wanted. I _think_ Google Calendar lets you create repeating events, which should then be exposed by it's iCal API. I think of this because there was in fact a Code4Lib Journal article about that, although I forget the details: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/46 From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Brice Stacey [brice.sta...@umb.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 11:27 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] RDF for opening times/hours? Honestly, the API and schema are second to UX to manage the hours. The actual API to the web service is trivial and just a matter of deciding on an interface and schema that you like and that most future-proofs your work. Personally, I would probably disregard it unless it has a JSONP format so that I can easily include it on pages using JavaScript. If it was some overly complex RDF thing I'd only consider it if it had amazing management of the hours. Which brings me to my main point... It needs to be simple and flexible such that a layman can manage it. Currently tools are designed for easy data transfer to databases, e.g. a list of defaults for a given date range and then dozens of exceptions for specific dates. Most people are overwhelmed that. Consequently, changing hours often involves not only administrative changes but also assistance from technical people. It needs to be simple for admin assistants to refactor the hours. Lastly, from my experience the biggest problem is propagating changes throughout multiple systems. Yes, not all changes can be done by administrative assistants from some single management tool (e.g. systems staff may have to modify the ILS calendar) but there needs to be an easy way to determine the specific changes between each change... Like a diff, so that changes are easy to delegate to appropriate staff. Looking over my email, such features would be incredibly difficult to implement well, but at least from my experience they're the actual problems that plague libraries. Honestly, we'll conform to whatever technical implementation you choose (hell, I'd accept some bizarre MARC-encoded hours) so long as you actually tackle the real problems. Otherwise, it's just some web service that can be easily implemented in an hour and is useless. Brice Stacey UMass Boston Sent from my iPad On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote: I am building a little web service that spits out info on when the libraries (a central library and two branches) are open and what the hours are for that day. As those who work in academic libraries know, it's not the *regular* hours, but all the exception dates/hours that are important (Spring break, Maymester, intersession, Christmas holidays, yadda, yadda). This app knows all the exceptions. The basic idea is that it provides real-time, is it open right now info for *today* (as well as today's hours). If this sounds mobile-y, it's because it was originally conceived as an addition to our Library's mobile website. I'm trying to figure out the most flexible output markup (RDF schema?), one that would allow the widest use of the web service in addition to outputting HTML markup for a mobile site page. I've googled and found a few things, but nothing that really seems to fit. Most of them (e.g. the RDF OpeningHoursUseCase on W3C [1]) are more about rules for recurring intervals. My interest is not in representing the totality of the schedule (again, because of all the exception dates/times) but in representing one day (i.e. today). So I don't care about representing recurring intervals. And actually, the Outsider Comments use cases at the bottom of the OpeningHoursUseCase site mentioned above are almost exactly what I'm trying to satisfy (just substitute library where you see shop or restaurant): quote I'm looking for exactly this xml, but this seems to be very complex,and going off in different tangents. Here are my use cases: - I wish to go to a shop or restaurant, and I wish to know if it's open for the next few hours. - It's late at night, and I need to go to the drug store or a small market. I wish to be able to search for a business that is open right now. The search should happen on a mapping site, or a web search site. - I have business with a microbusiness that's open only a few days a week. It's important enough for me to bring their schedule into my calendar, temporarily, so I can get there when they're open. - I want to coordinate a trip and run a few errands. I would like to get all the hours for relevant businesses on a specific day. I can sort through the hours
