Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
Joann, This is horrible news, and you have my sympathy. It's very strange to think how recently we all thought of LibLime as being among the Good Guys. My position on this is that the name is probably not worth as much as it feels that it's worth. I can understand why as the originators you would have a strong emotional tie to it, but in the end a name-change may not hurt much at all (and might even help, judging by the frequency with which large organisations spend millions to change their names). Oracle owns the name OpenOffice, but no-one much cares and LibreOffice has replaced it in the world's affections. So your best bet may be to shrug and let them have the old name for their proprietary fork. Just come up with a new name for the open codebase, let the world know, and move on with doing more useful things -- spending what money you have on coders and cataloguers rather than lawyers. JMHO. -- Mike. On 22 November 2011 00:51, Joann Ransom jran...@library.org.nz wrote: Horowhenua Library Trust is the birth place of Koha and the longest serving member of the Koha community. Back in 1999 when we were working on Koha, the idea that 12 years later we would be having to write an email like this never crossed our minds. It is with tremendous sadness that we must write this plea for help to you, the other members of the Koha community. The situation we find ourselves in, is that after over a year of battling against it, PTFS/Liblime have managed to have their application for a Trademark on Koha in New Zealand accepted. We now have 3 months to object, but to do so involves lawyers and money. We are a small semi rural Library in New Zealand and have no cash spare in our operational budget to afford this, but we do feel it is something we must fight. For the library that invented Koha to now have to have a legal battle to prevent a US company trademarking the word in NZ seems bizarre, butit is at this point that we find ourselves. So, we ask you, the users and developers of Koha, from the birth place of Koha, please if you can help in anyway, let us know. Background reading: - Code4Lib article http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638: How hard can it be : developing in Open Source [history of the development of Koha] by Joann Ransom and Chris Cormack. - Timeline http://koha-community.org/about/history/ of Koha :development - Koha history visualization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec Help us If you would like to help us fund legal costs please use the paypal donate button below. Otherwise, any discussion, public support and ideas on how to proceed would be gratefully received. Regards Jo. -- Joann Ransom RLIANZA Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations.
Mark, I'm only getting that for the results page. Are you getting it somewhere else? I'll fix the results page as soon as I can. -Ross. On Monday, November 21, 2011, Mark Diggory mdigg...@atmire.com wrote: The ever popular...Internal Server Error On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.eduwrote: Voting for code4lib 2012 talks are now open. Voting will close at 5pm (PST) on December 9, 2011. Presentation criteria to keep in mind - Usefulness - Newness - Geekiness - Diversity of topics http://vote.code4lib.org/election/21 -- You will need your code4lib.orglogin in order to vote. If you do not have one you can create one at http://code4lib.org/ Presentation proposal descriptions can be found on the wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_talks_proposals Thank you to Ross Singer for keying in all 72 proposals! --Anjanette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups code4libcon group. To post to this group, send email to code4lib...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to code4libcon+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon?hl=en. -- [image: @mire Inc.] *Mark Diggory* *2888 Loker Avenue East, Suite 305, Carlsbad, CA. 92010* *Esperantolaan 4, Heverlee 3001, Belgium* http://www.atmire.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations.
Ok, the results screen should no longer be throwing an error. Vote early, vote often, -Ross. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I'm only getting that for the results page. Are you getting it somewhere else? I'll fix the results page as soon as I can. -Ross. On Monday, November 21, 2011, Mark Diggory mdigg...@atmire.com wrote: The ever popular...Internal Server Error On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.eduwrote: Voting for code4lib 2012 talks are now open. Voting will close at 5pm (PST) on December 9, 2011. Presentation criteria to keep in mind - Usefulness - Newness - Geekiness - Diversity of topics http://vote.code4lib.org/election/21 -- You will need your code4lib.orglogin in order to vote. If you do not have one you can create one at http://code4lib.org/ Presentation proposal descriptions can be found on the wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_talks_proposals Thank you to Ross Singer for keying in all 72 proposals! --Anjanette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups code4libcon group. To post to this group, send email to code4lib...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to code4libcon+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon?hl=en. -- [image: @mire Inc.] *Mark Diggory* *2888 Loker Avenue East, Suite 305, Carlsbad, CA. 92010* *Esperantolaan 4, Heverlee 3001, Belgium* http://www.atmire.com
[CODE4LIB] Last Call for Chapters
Please excuse cross posting. Hello All, This is the last call for chapters for the book “Robots in Academic Libraries: Advancements in Library Automation,” part of the book series, Advances in Library Information Science (ALIS) from IGI Publishers. The deadline for submissions is December 1st, 2011. The main focus of the book is how automation is taking over certain areas that used to be exclusively human and the changes to the library work environment that these changes will entail. The book will be 15+ chapters, with a total of at least 135,000 words. I am looking for contributors to write individual chapters at around 10,000 words. While I already have quite a few qualified authors there are a couple of areas I would still like to see chapters in. If you would like to participate there is still time. Please send a proposal to edward.igles...@ccsu.edu by December 1st Thanks Again, Edward IglesiasSystems LibrarianCentral Connecticut State UniversityEdward Iglesias
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
Hi Joann, Have you considered sending this to some of the tech podcasts? I think both the Command-Line podcast (http://thecommandline.net/) and Linux Outlaws (http://sixgun.org/linuxoutlaws/) would be great audiences and receptive to this story. I'm a regular listener of both and if you want me to contact them so they would get it from a a regular listener who I'd be more than happy to forward your message with some personal notes. (And the paypal link too ;) ). Jon Gorman On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Joann Ransom jran...@library.org.nz wrote: Horowhenua Library Trust is the birth place of Koha and the longest serving member of the Koha community. Back in 1999 when we were working on Koha, the idea that 12 years later we would be having to write an email like this never crossed our minds. It is with tremendous sadness that we must write this plea for help to you, the other members of the Koha community. The situation we find ourselves in, is that after over a year of battling against it, PTFS/Liblime have managed to have their application for a Trademark on Koha in New Zealand accepted. We now have 3 months to object, but to do so involves lawyers and money. We are a small semi rural Library in New Zealand and have no cash spare in our operational budget to afford this, but we do feel it is something we must fight. For the library that invented Koha to now have to have a legal battle to prevent a US company trademarking the word in NZ seems bizarre, butit is at this point that we find ourselves. So, we ask you, the users and developers of Koha, from the birth place of Koha, please if you can help in anyway, let us know. Background reading: - Code4Lib article http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638: How hard can it be : developing in Open Source [history of the development of Koha] by Joann Ransom and Chris Cormack. - Timeline http://koha-community.org/about/history/ of Koha :development - Koha history visualization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec Help us If you would like to help us fund legal costs please use the paypal donate button below. Otherwise, any discussion, public support and ideas on how to proceed would be gratefully received. Regards Jo. -- Joann Ransom RLIANZA Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
Joann, I was recently in New Zealand and heard Aroha Mead speak on the legal protection of Maori heritage. Her area of expertise is indigenous culture and intellectual property issues. Given that Koha is a significant Maori word [1] with cultural meaning, it may be defendable on that basis. I hope you are also bringing this to the attention of folks in NZ who can make that argument. kc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28custom%29 Quoting Joann Ransom jran...@library.org.nz: Horowhenua Library Trust is the birth place of Koha and the longest serving member of the Koha community. Back in 1999 when we were working on Koha, the idea that 12 years later we would be having to write an email like this never crossed our minds. It is with tremendous sadness that we must write this plea for help to you, the other members of the Koha community. The situation we find ourselves in, is that after over a year of battling against it, PTFS/Liblime have managed to have their application for a Trademark on Koha in New Zealand accepted. We now have 3 months to object, but to do so involves lawyers and money. We are a small semi rural Library in New Zealand and have no cash spare in our operational budget to afford this, but we do feel it is something we must fight. For the library that invented Koha to now have to have a legal battle to prevent a US company trademarking the word in NZ seems bizarre, butit is at this point that we find ourselves. So, we ask you, the users and developers of Koha, from the birth place of Koha, please if you can help in anyway, let us know. Background reading: - Code4Lib article http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638: How hard can it be : developing in Open Source [history of the development of Koha] by Joann Ransom and Chris Cormack. - Timeline http://koha-community.org/about/history/ of Koha :development - Koha history visualization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec Help us If you would like to help us fund legal costs please use the paypal donate button below. Otherwise, any discussion, public support and ideas on how to proceed would be gratefully received. Regards Jo. -- Joann Ransom RLIANZA Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust. -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
Joann, A name change may not be necessary. For what it's worth, a long time ago in 2000 when I was getting my Avanti project off the ground, a group in Germany that I was unaware of developing an information retrieval database system called Avanti objected to the name I had chosen for my project because of the conflict. We eventually agreed to let me keep the Avanti name for my project with me placing a link to their work on my wesite explaining that these were different projects, which I did for some years. I no longer do so now, but there have been no objections, probably as I am pretty much on the fringes of anything right now. I am still shocked though, that LibLime would do something like this and actually persue it as a legal matter. As one who has been involved in and observed open source software in libraries from Day One, I am shaking my head here. Peter Schlumpf www.avantilibrarysystems.com -Original Message- From: Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com Sent: Nov 22, 2011 3:41 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community Joann, This is horrible news, and you have my sympathy. It's very strange to think how recently we all thought of LibLime as being among the Good Guys. My position on this is that the name is probably not worth as much as it feels that it's worth. I can understand why as the originators you would have a strong emotional tie to it, but in the end a name-change may not hurt much at all (and might even help, judging by the frequency with which large organisations spend millions to change their names). Oracle owns the name OpenOffice, but no-one much cares and LibreOffice has replaced it in the world's affections. So your best bet may be to shrug and let them have the old name for their proprietary fork. Just come up with a new name for the open codebase, let the world know, and move on with doing more useful things -- spending what money you have on coders and cataloguers rather than lawyers. JMHO. -- Mike. On 22 November 2011 00:51, Joann Ransom jran...@library.org.nz wrote: Horowhenua Library Trust is the birth place of Koha and the longest serving member of the Koha community. Back in 1999 when we were working on Koha, the idea that 12 years later we would be having to write an email like this never crossed our minds. It is with tremendous sadness that we must write this plea for help to you, the other members of the Koha community. The situation we find ourselves in, is that after over a year of battling against it, PTFS/Liblime have managed to have their application for a Trademark on Koha in New Zealand accepted. We now have 3 months to object, but to do so involves lawyers and money. We are a small semi rural Library in New Zealand and have no cash spare in our operational budget to afford this, but we do feel it is something we must fight. For the library that invented Koha to now have to have a legal battle to prevent a US company trademarking the word in NZ seems bizarre, butit is at this point that we find ourselves. So, we ask you, the users and developers of Koha, from the birth place of Koha, please if you can help in anyway, let us know. Background reading: - Code4Lib article http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638: How hard can it be : developing in Open Source [history of the development of Koha] by Joann Ransom and Chris Cormack. - Timeline http://koha-community.org/about/history/ of Koha :development - Koha history visualization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec Help us If you would like to help us fund legal costs please use the paypal donate button below. Otherwise, any discussion, public support and ideas on how to proceed would be gratefully received. Regards Jo. -- Joann Ransom RLIANZA Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Horowhenua Donation Page
Salvete! I haven't followed this at all, so can anyone fill me in on what this actually means in New Zealand? That Liblime can sue the library to force them to change Koha's name? I now notice that Archivists' Toolkit, Archon, and Islandora are trademarked. Before I say anything at all, I want to be clear that these are personal opinions that I'm giving for informational purposes. You asked, and as a Librarian, I'd like to answer you properly. Also, I'm going to do the I'm Not a Lawyer Dance. I know a wee bit about IP in the States, but once you port that over to eNZed, it's mostly meaningless since their laws are different. I'm not speaking for the Community; I'm not the Kaitiaki. The very simple, non qualified, non John Kerry response to your second question is yes. Und nao for ze qualifications. They don't quite hold the trademark just yet. Their application has been accepted. Also, the they in question is PTFS US, not Liblime and not PTFS Europe. LibLime is a subsidiary of PTFS. My favourite description of PTFS comes from a colleague that said that they're a company that bought a company (Metavore, dba LibLime [think engulf devour]) who bought a company (Katipo). Another thing to keep in mind is that since they hold a not quite set in concrete mark in the US, they could theoretically get all sue happy on any number of US Libraries and businesses that are using Koha. I personally suspect that they haven't yet since they're on rather shifty earth. Who knows? It could just be that Roy Tennant hasn't approved of this sort of behaviour. (tongue in cheek, as with nearly all Roy Tennant references) [1] Timing is pretty important here. PTFS like to whing and moan that they're misunderstood and not actually evil. Okay, okay, fine. The whinging is mostly that they contribute to the community and they bought things fair and square, et cetera. [2] It should be noted that PTFS Europe do actually help out, and they're a different beast entirely from PTFS US. If the Community participation theme were true of PTFS US, when they bought LibLime, they would have either dropped the trademark pursuits that were in the hopper, or once the applications went through, turned the property over to Horowhenua Library Trust (Now Te Horowhenua) for safekeeping as was decided by the Community. Pardon me if I'm skeptical of a corporation that penned a promise that they'd support the Koha OS Community and then took radically different actions from their words. [3] Perhaps they mean commits, so I suppose they ought be applauded for one commit of 8 lines for 3.6. [4] Learning about what Koha means is equally important to understanding the situation. [5] Having giving and reciprocity feature so strongly in the product is one of many reasons I'm reluctant to just give in and let the defence contractors run rough shod over tradition. I personally chafe at how close to manifest destiny this stuff comes. The attitude seems very much to be “Well, we bought it first, so it's ours now.” There are scores of businesses in New Zealand that already use Koha as part of their names. I just can't visualise the mental contortion needed to get this word out of the public domain as a generic Te Reo term. This sets a terrible precedent: a Library selects a meaningful name, utilises it for over a decade, and then is routinely harassed and possibly sued over the use of what they started. There's a lot of potential harm here. It's not just Horowhenua, it's every Koha user and every Koha developer that stands to lose. If we don't fight, every one loses. Cheers, Brooke [1] http://blog.libraryjournal.com/tennantdigitallibraries/2009/09/15/liblime-to-the-koha-community-fork-you/ [2] http://twitter.com/#!/obelos (who has 3 commits.) [3] http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/PTFS-Koha-Community-Support-and-the-Koha-org-Website-td3056839.html [4]http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/10/23/statistics-for-3-6-0/) [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28custom%29
Re: [CODE4LIB] Horowhenua Donation Page
Salvete! T hat Paypal link gives an error. (fatal error in fact) - kc Mmm, despite me testing it first, the tinyurl busted after a few minutes. (Hopefully from lots of donations. :) ) Try accessing it from this site: http://library-matters.blogspot.com/ Cheers, Brooke
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
At Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:51:11 +1300, Joann Ransom wrote: Horowhenua Library Trust is the birth place of Koha and the longest serving member of the Koha community. Back in 1999 when we were working on Koha, the idea that 12 years later we would be having to write an email like this never crossed our minds. It is with tremendous sadness that we must write this plea for help to you, the other members of the Koha community. […] Hi Joann, The Software Freedom Law Center (http://softwarefreedom.org) might be able to help as well: The Software Freedom Law Center provides pro-bono legal services to developers of Free, Libre, and Open Source Software. They list trademark defense as one of their services. best, Erik Sent from my free software system http://fsf.org/. pgpWIG8zg2J7D.pgp Description: PGP signature
[CODE4LIB] Faculty Profiles Web App
I am curious if any here can recommend a Web App that allows Faculty to easily create the Vitae using Web Forms. I am looking at/into Penn States http://plone.org/products/faculty-staff-directory but their might be something already turn-key. Cheers, ./fxk -- It's not the fall that kills you, it's the landing.
[CODE4LIB] policies for patron-created content and web accounts
Greetings, all, and apologies for cross-posting: I am looking for examples of policies/procedures/guidelines that govern patron/user created library web site content. If you have an official policy, and wouldn't mind sharing, please send it to me (whether attached as a document or link) off-list. If there's interest, I'll happily summarize for the group. Would love to hear from public libraries especially, but academics/specials/everyone too. Other things we'd like to know: 1. Do you require administrator moderation for user-generated content? 2. If you allow/require users to create web site accounts, do you limit account creation to your library users only, or can anyone create an account and add content? 3. If you do require user verification, how do you accomplish that? Manually? Automatically against the ILS? 4. Do you delete user accounts after a period of inactivity? If yes, how long? Our situation: we currently allow anyone to create an account in the public-facing Drupal site, but the result, no surprise, is that we have hundreds of junk/spam accounts and only a few legitimate users writing book reviews. We want to clean up the user data in the database, but also have some guidance/governance moving forward to prevent this in the future. We also want to keep the process easy for the legitimate users who want to create content, especially because the current iteration of the site was designed to encourage user-written reviews, and we do have a handful of people who write nice, even multi-lingual, reviews. I want them to feel that it's easy to contribute, but on the other hand, I'm pretty sure user Canadian-Pharmacy-RX isn't interested in talking about the bestseller s/he just read... Thanks in advance! Nina Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Assistant Systems Administrator Arapahoe Library District milehighbrarian.net Facebook Twitter: @ninermac
Re: [CODE4LIB] policies for patron-created content and web accounts
Nina, You might look at IntenseDebate [1], which is a commenting system developed by the WordPress development team at Automattic [2]. It's pretty easy to install: You cut and paste some JavaScript, customize the CSS, and configure it as necessary. It's all hosted, but the data is downloadable. It can be moderated and comments have RSS feeds that make it easy to follow threads and users. Users can authenticate through OpenID, Facebook, Twitter, and a host of other services. There are also spam management tools, though I'm not sure if they have wired their Askimet plugin into it to prevent spam. I can't imagine them leaving it out. [1] http://intensedebate.com/ [2] http://automattic.com/ Hope this helps, Shaun On 11/22/11 12:51 PM, Nina Mchale wrote: Greetings, all, and apologies for cross-posting: I am looking for examples of policies/procedures/guidelines that govern patron/user created library web site content. If you have an official policy, and wouldn't mind sharing, please send it to me (whether attached as a document or link) off-list. If there's interest, I'll happily summarize for the group. Would love to hear from public libraries especially, but academics/specials/everyone too. Other things we'd like to know: 1. Do you require administrator moderation for user-generated content? 2. If you allow/require users to create web site accounts, do you limit account creation to your library users only, or can anyone create an account and add content? 3. If you do require user verification, how do you accomplish that? Manually? Automatically against the ILS? 4. Do you delete user accounts after a period of inactivity? If yes, how long? Our situation: we currently allow anyone to create an account in the public-facing Drupal site, but the result, no surprise, is that we have hundreds of junk/spam accounts and only a few legitimate users writing book reviews. We want to clean up the user data in the database, but also have some guidance/governance moving forward to prevent this in the future. We also want to keep the process easy for the legitimate users who want to create content, especially because the current iteration of the site was designed to encourage user-written reviews, and we do have a handful of people who write nice, even multi-lingual, reviews. I want them to feel that it's easy to contribute, but on the other hand, I'm pretty sure user Canadian-Pharmacy-RX isn't interested in talking about the bestseller s/he just read... Thanks in advance! Nina Nina McHale, MA/MSLS Assistant Systems Administrator Arapahoe Library District milehighbrarian.net Facebook Twitter: @ninermac -- Shaun D. Ellis Digital Library Interface Developer Firestone Library, Princeton University voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations.
My votes are not showing after returning to the voting page. I thought I remembered being able to modify my votes from previous years. I went through the first 30 or so, and wanted to come back to it to go through more, but my votes are not persisting. Is this a bug, a change, or a failure in my memory? Andrew On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: POWERED BY DIEBOLD On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 14:08, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. 404'ing for me now. On Nov 22, 2011, at 4:22 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, the results screen should no longer be throwing an error. Vote early, vote often, -Ross. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I'm only getting that for the results page. Are you getting it somewhere else? I'll fix the results page as soon as I can. -Ross. On Monday, November 21, 2011, Mark Diggory mdigg...@atmire.com wrote: The ever popular...Internal Server Error On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.eduwrote: Voting for code4lib 2012 talks are now open. Voting will close at 5pm (PST) on December 9, 2011. Presentation criteria to keep in mind - Usefulness - Newness - Geekiness - Diversity of topics http://vote.code4lib.org/election/21 -- You will need your code4lib.orglogin in order to vote. If you do not have one you can create one at http://code4lib.org/ Presentation proposal descriptions can be found on the wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_talks_proposals Thank you to Ross Singer for keying in all 72 proposals! --Anjanette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups code4libcon group. To post to this group, send email to code4lib...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to code4libcon+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon?hl=en. -- [image: @mire Inc.] *Mark Diggory* *2888 Loker Avenue East, Suite 305, Carlsbad, CA. 92010* *Esperantolaan 4, Heverlee 3001, Belgium* http://www.atmire.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com So your best bet may be to shrug and let them have the old name for their proprietary fork. Just come up with a new name for the open codebase, let the world know, and move on with doing more useful things -- spending what money you have on coders and cataloguers rather than lawyers. Two things which may not be widely known here: 1. HLT was the original commissioner and I believe they have been using Koha continuously in delivering their library service since then. If they of all people are not allowed to share control of the name, then basically no FOSS project name is safe for its users. Ever. 2. Koha means akin to gift. The irony of trying to trademark that word in particular is mindboggling and should shame PTFS in the eyes of everyone who likes sharing information - basically all of us who are involved with libraries at some level, isn't it? So, please give generously to HLT's ratbag-repelling fund. There are wider issues at stake for users and coders for libraries. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and LMS developer, statistician. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for Koha work http://www.software.coop/products/koha
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
On 22 November 2011 19:32, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com So your best bet may be to shrug and let them have the old name for their proprietary fork. Just come up with a new name for the open codebase, let the world know, and move on with doing more useful things -- spending what money you have on coders and cataloguers rather than lawyers. Two things which may not be widely known here: 1. HLT was the original commissioner and I believe they have been using Koha continuously in delivering their library service since then. If they of all people are not allowed to share control of the name, then basically no FOSS project name is safe for its users. Ever. 2. Koha means akin to gift. The irony of trying to trademark that word in particular is mindboggling and should shame PTFS in the eyes of everyone who likes sharing information - basically all of us who are involved with libraries at some level, isn't it? Just for the record ... I find these arguments, and the similar ones that others have made, compelling. So I withdraw my earlier suggestion of shrugging and letting LibLime have the name. Sorry about that. -- Mike.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations.
Mine are being remembered from this morning when I filled it out at home. I'm now on a different network/OS/browser. Tom On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Nagy asn...@gmail.com wrote: My votes are not showing after returning to the voting page. I thought I remembered being able to modify my votes from previous years. I went through the first 30 or so, and wanted to come back to it to go through more, but my votes are not persisting. Is this a bug, a change, or a failure in my memory? Andrew On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: POWERED BY DIEBOLD On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 14:08, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. 404'ing for me now. On Nov 22, 2011, at 4:22 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, the results screen should no longer be throwing an error. Vote early, vote often, -Ross. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I'm only getting that for the results page. Are you getting it somewhere else? I'll fix the results page as soon as I can. -Ross. On Monday, November 21, 2011, Mark Diggory mdigg...@atmire.com wrote: The ever popular...Internal Server Error On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.eduwrote: Voting for code4lib 2012 talks are now open. Voting will close at 5pm (PST) on December 9, 2011. Presentation criteria to keep in mind - Usefulness - Newness - Geekiness - Diversity of topics http://vote.code4lib.org/election/21 -- You will need your code4lib.orglogin in order to vote. If you do not have one you can create one at http://code4lib.org/ Presentation proposal descriptions can be found on the wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_talks_proposals Thank you to Ross Singer for keying in all 72 proposals! --Anjanette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups code4libcon group. To post to this group, send email to code4lib...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to code4libcon+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon?hl=en. -- [image: @mire Inc.] *Mark Diggory* *2888 Loker Avenue East, Suite 305, Carlsbad, CA. 92010* *Esperantolaan 4, Heverlee 3001, Belgium* http://www.atmire.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations.
FYI I've been getting Internal Server Errors all day. Switched browsers, same issue. -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Keays Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:19 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations. Mine are being remembered from this morning when I filled it out at home. I'm now on a different network/OS/browser. Tom On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Nagy asn...@gmail.com wrote: My votes are not showing after returning to the voting page. I thought I remembered being able to modify my votes from previous years. I went through the first 30 or so, and wanted to come back to it to go through more, but my votes are not persisting. Is this a bug, a change, or a failure in my memory? Andrew On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: POWERED BY DIEBOLD On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 14:08, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. 404'ing for me now. On Nov 22, 2011, at 4:22 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, the results screen should no longer be throwing an error. Vote early, vote often, -Ross. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I'm only getting that for the results page. Are you getting it somewhere else? I'll fix the results page as soon as I can. -Ross. On Monday, November 21, 2011, Mark Diggory mdigg...@atmire.com wrote: The ever popular...Internal Server Error On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.eduwrote: Voting for code4lib 2012 talks are now open. Voting will close at 5pm (PST) on December 9, 2011. Presentation criteria to keep in mind - Usefulness - Newness - Geekiness - Diversity of topics http://vote.code4lib.org/election/21 -- You will need your code4lib.orglogin in order to vote. If you do not have one you can create one at http://code4lib.org/ Presentation proposal descriptions can be found on the wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_talks_proposals Thank you to Ross Singer for keying in all 72 proposals! --Anjanette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups code4libcon group. To post to this group, send email to code4lib...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to code4libcon+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon?hl=en. -- [image: @mire Inc.] *Mark Diggory* *2888 Loker Avenue East, Suite 305, Carlsbad, CA. 92010* *Esperantolaan 4, Heverlee 3001, Belgium* http://www.atmire.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations.
Of course, literally two seconds after sending my last email, my vote finally goes through... -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Keays Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:19 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations. Mine are being remembered from this morning when I filled it out at home. I'm now on a different network/OS/browser. Tom On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Nagy asn...@gmail.com wrote: My votes are not showing after returning to the voting page. I thought I remembered being able to modify my votes from previous years. I went through the first 30 or so, and wanted to come back to it to go through more, but my votes are not persisting. Is this a bug, a change, or a failure in my memory? Andrew On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: POWERED BY DIEBOLD On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 14:08, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. 404'ing for me now. On Nov 22, 2011, at 4:22 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, the results screen should no longer be throwing an error. Vote early, vote often, -Ross. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I'm only getting that for the results page. Are you getting it somewhere else? I'll fix the results page as soon as I can. -Ross. On Monday, November 21, 2011, Mark Diggory mdigg...@atmire.com wrote: The ever popular...Internal Server Error On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.eduwrote: Voting for code4lib 2012 talks are now open. Voting will close at 5pm (PST) on December 9, 2011. Presentation criteria to keep in mind - Usefulness - Newness - Geekiness - Diversity of topics http://vote.code4lib.org/election/21 -- You will need your code4lib.orglogin in order to vote. If you do not have one you can create one at http://code4lib.org/ Presentation proposal descriptions can be found on the wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_talks_proposals Thank you to Ross Singer for keying in all 72 proposals! --Anjanette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups code4libcon group. To post to this group, send email to code4lib...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to code4libcon+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon?hl=en. -- [image: @mire Inc.] *Mark Diggory* *2888 Loker Avenue East, Suite 305, Carlsbad, CA. 92010* *Esperantolaan 4, Heverlee 3001, Belgium* http://www.atmire.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations.
Why do I have the feeling that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's presentation on test driven development is going to get 99% of the vote? On Nov 22, 2011, at 12:34 PM, David Uspal wrote: Of course, literally two seconds after sending my last email, my vote finally goes through... -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Keays Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:19 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations. Mine are being remembered from this morning when I filled it out at home. I'm now on a different network/OS/browser. Tom On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Nagy asn...@gmail.com wrote: My votes are not showing after returning to the voting page. I thought I remembered being able to modify my votes from previous years. I went through the first 30 or so, and wanted to come back to it to go through more, but my votes are not persisting. Is this a bug, a change, or a failure in my memory? Andrew On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: POWERED BY DIEBOLD On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 14:08, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. 404'ing for me now. On Nov 22, 2011, at 4:22 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, the results screen should no longer be throwing an error. Vote early, vote often, -Ross. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I'm only getting that for the results page. Are you getting it somewhere else? I'll fix the results page as soon as I can. -Ross. On Monday, November 21, 2011, Mark Diggory mdigg...@atmire.com wrote: The ever popular...Internal Server Error On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.eduwrote: Voting for code4lib 2012 talks are now open. Voting will close at 5pm (PST) on December 9, 2011. Presentation criteria to keep in mind - Usefulness - Newness - Geekiness - Diversity of topics http://vote.code4lib.org/election/21 -- You will need your code4lib.orglogin in order to vote. If you do not have one you can create one at http://code4lib.org/ Presentation proposal descriptions can be found on the wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_talks_proposals Thank you to Ross Singer for keying in all 72 proposals! --Anjanette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups code4libcon group. To post to this group, send email to code4lib...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to code4libcon+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon?hl=en. -- [image: @mire Inc.] *Mark Diggory* *2888 Loker Avenue East, Suite 305, Carlsbad, CA. 92010* *Esperantolaan 4, Heverlee 3001, Belgium* http://www.atmire.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
You might also contact the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) to see if they might be willing/able to help: https://www.eff.org/pages/legal-assistance -Shaun On 11/22/11 9:10 AM, Jon Gorman wrote: Hi Joann, Have you considered sending this to some of the tech podcasts? I think both the Command-Line podcast (http://thecommandline.net/) and Linux Outlaws (http://sixgun.org/linuxoutlaws/) would be great audiences and receptive to this story. I'm a regular listener of both and if you want me to contact them so they would get it from a a regular listener who I'd be more than happy to forward your message with some personal notes. (And the paypal link too ;) ). Jon Gorman On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Joann Ransomjran...@library.org.nz wrote: Horowhenua Library Trust is the birth place of Koha and the longest serving member of the Koha community. Back in 1999 when we were working on Koha, the idea that 12 years later we would be having to write an email like this never crossed our minds. It is with tremendous sadness that we must write this plea for help to you, the other members of the Koha community. The situation we find ourselves in, is that after over a year of battling against it, PTFS/Liblime have managed to have their application for a Trademark on Koha in New Zealand accepted. We now have 3 months to object, but to do so involves lawyers and money. We are a small semi rural Library in New Zealand and have no cash spare in our operational budget to afford this, but we do feel it is something we must fight. For the library that invented Koha to now have to have a legal battle to prevent a US company trademarking the word in NZ seems bizarre, butit is at this point that we find ourselves. So, we ask you, the users and developers of Koha, from the birth place of Koha, please if you can help in anyway, let us know. Background reading: - Code4Lib articlehttp://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638: How hard can it be : developing in Open Source [history of the development of Koha] by Joann Ransom and Chris Cormack. - Timelinehttp://koha-community.org/about/history/ of Koha :development - Koha history visualizationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec Help us If you would like to help us fund legal costs please use the paypal donate button below. Otherwise, any discussion, public support and ideas on how to proceed would be gratefully received. Regards Jo. -- Joann Ransom RLIANZA Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust. -- Shaun D. Ellis Digital Library Interface Developer Firestone Library, Princeton University voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
Great idea Shaun! -- Tod Robbins iSchool GSA Crew MLIS Candidate 2012 University of Washington
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
FWIW, the discussion on hackernews http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3264378 On Nov 21, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Joann Ransom wrote: Horowhenua Library Trust is the birth place of Koha and the longest serving member of the Koha community. Back in 1999 when we were working on Koha, the idea that 12 years later we would be having to write an email like this never crossed our minds. It is with tremendous sadness that we must write this plea for help to you, the other members of the Koha community. The situation we find ourselves in, is that after over a year of battling against it, PTFS/Liblime have managed to have their application for a Trademark on Koha in New Zealand accepted. We now have 3 months to object, but to do so involves lawyers and money. We are a small semi rural Library in New Zealand and have no cash spare in our operational budget to afford this, but we do feel it is something we must fight. For the library that invented Koha to now have to have a legal battle to prevent a US company trademarking the word in NZ seems bizarre, butit is at this point that we find ourselves. So, we ask you, the users and developers of Koha, from the birth place of Koha, please if you can help in anyway, let us know. Background reading: - Code4Lib article http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638: How hard can it be : developing in Open Source [history of the development of Koha] by Joann Ransom and Chris Cormack. - Timeline http://koha-community.org/about/history/ of Koha :development - Koha history visualization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec Help us If you would like to help us fund legal costs please use the paypal donate button below. Otherwise, any discussion, public support and ideas on how to proceed would be gratefully received. Regards Jo. -- Joann Ransom RLIANZA Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
Glad you came 'round, Mike. I would not suggest that they roll over and back down. A name is a very important thing. Try asking Coca-Cola to give up theirs. In reading this news I was angry enough to the point of writing an open letter to LibLime and this forum stating my views and asking LibLime for an explanation of why they are trying to take legal posession of the name Koha. I became especially after looking at their web site where I have so far found absolutely NO reference to HLT or where Koha came from. Nor to the open source software community in libraries from which it came. I decided not to send it. Yet. I don't want to cause problems, but I will if it's ok with the HLT folks. I have very strong feelings about this, because I have my own project, Avanti. I would feel very offended if a third party would hijack mine in this way and not give me any credit for what I have done. This is a big, big thing. I have also watched from the sidelines Koha develop into what it is, so I know where it comes from. I remember at ALA 2000 in Chicago when Tim O'Reilly graciously gave those of us with open source projects in libraries space in the O'Reilly booth to show off our work. There were only a few of us back then and Koha wasn't on the radar yet. LibLime is a Johnny-come-lately in this grizzled old person's mind. I am so disappointed in LibLime that they would sink to something like this. Peter Schlumpf http://www.avantilibrarysystems.com -Original Message- From: Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com Sent: Nov 22, 2011 1:39 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community On 22 November 2011 19:32, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com So your best bet may be to shrug and let them have the old name for their proprietary fork. Just come up with a new name for the open codebase, let the world know, and move on with doing more useful things -- spending what money you have on coders and cataloguers rather than lawyers. Two things which may not be widely known here: 1. HLT was the original commissioner and I believe they have been using Koha continuously in delivering their library service since then. If they of all people are not allowed to share control of the name, then basically no FOSS project name is safe for its users. Ever. 2. Koha means akin to gift. The irony of trying to trademark that word in particular is mindboggling and should shame PTFS in the eyes of everyone who likes sharing information - basically all of us who are involved with libraries at some level, isn't it? Just for the record ... I find these arguments, and the similar ones that others have made, compelling. So I withdraw my earlier suggestion of shrugging and letting LibLime have the name. Sorry about that. -- Mike.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
I don't think that shame is a significant deterrent for a company like Progressive Technology Federal Systems, Inc., which has taken every opportunity with Koha to flout the open-source spirit in which it was developed. Somehow, I think that if they could get a trademark on the term cluster bomb, they would go for it. Cary On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:32 AM, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com So your best bet may be to shrug and let them have the old name for their proprietary fork. Just come up with a new name for the open codebase, let the world know, and move on with doing more useful things -- spending what money you have on coders and cataloguers rather than lawyers. Two things which may not be widely known here: 1. HLT was the original commissioner and I believe they have been using Koha continuously in delivering their library service since then. If they of all people are not allowed to share control of the name, then basically no FOSS project name is safe for its users. Ever. 2. Koha means akin to gift. The irony of trying to trademark that word in particular is mindboggling and should shame PTFS in the eyes of everyone who likes sharing information - basically all of us who are involved with libraries at some level, isn't it? So, please give generously to HLT's ratbag-repelling fund. There are wider issues at stake for users and coders for libraries. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and LMS developer, statistician. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for Koha work http://www.software.coop/products/koha -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Plea for help from Horowhenua Library Trust to Koha Community
BTW, you can't put a Paypal button in a post to this list. I suggest that you send a link. Cary On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Joann Ransom jran...@library.org.nz wrote: Horowhenua Library Trust is the birth place of Koha and the longest serving member of the Koha community. Back in 1999 when we were working on Koha, the idea that 12 years later we would be having to write an email like this never crossed our minds. It is with tremendous sadness that we must write this plea for help to you, the other members of the Koha community. The situation we find ourselves in, is that after over a year of battling against it, PTFS/Liblime have managed to have their application for a Trademark on Koha in New Zealand accepted. We now have 3 months to object, but to do so involves lawyers and money. We are a small semi rural Library in New Zealand and have no cash spare in our operational budget to afford this, but we do feel it is something we must fight. For the library that invented Koha to now have to have a legal battle to prevent a US company trademarking the word in NZ seems bizarre, butit is at this point that we find ourselves. So, we ask you, the users and developers of Koha, from the birth place of Koha, please if you can help in anyway, let us know. Background reading: - Code4Lib article http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638: How hard can it be : developing in Open Source [history of the development of Koha] by Joann Ransom and Chris Cormack. - Timeline http://koha-community.org/about/history/ of Koha :development - Koha history visualization http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec Help us If you would like to help us fund legal costs please use the paypal donate button below. Otherwise, any discussion, public support and ideas on how to proceed would be gratefully received. Regards Jo. -- Joann Ransom RLIANZA Head of Libraries, Horowhenua Library Trust. -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations.
I would definitely vote for it! I also want to vote for Rick Perry's presentations on go, dash and … uh... On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick cf...@stanford.edu wrote: Why do I have the feeling that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's presentation on test driven development is going to get 99% of the vote? On Nov 22, 2011, at 12:34 PM, David Uspal wrote: Of course, literally two seconds after sending my last email, my vote finally goes through... -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Keays Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:19 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations. Mine are being remembered from this morning when I filled it out at home. I'm now on a different network/OS/browser. Tom On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Nagy asn...@gmail.com wrote: My votes are not showing after returning to the voting page. I thought I remembered being able to modify my votes from previous years. I went through the first 30 or so, and wanted to come back to it to go through more, but my votes are not persisting. Is this a bug, a change, or a failure in my memory? Andrew On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: POWERED BY DIEBOLD On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 14:08, Michael B. Klein mbkl...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. 404'ing for me now. On Nov 22, 2011, at 4:22 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, the results screen should no longer be throwing an error. Vote early, vote often, -Ross. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, I'm only getting that for the results page. Are you getting it somewhere else? I'll fix the results page as soon as I can. -Ross. On Monday, November 21, 2011, Mark Diggory mdigg...@atmire.com wrote: The ever popular...Internal Server Error On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Anjanette Young youn...@u.washington.eduwrote: Voting for code4lib 2012 talks are now open. Voting will close at 5pm (PST) on December 9, 2011. Presentation criteria to keep in mind - Usefulness - Newness - Geekiness - Diversity of topics http://vote.code4lib.org/election/21 -- You will need your code4lib.orglogin in order to vote. If you do not have one you can create one at http://code4lib.org/ Presentation proposal descriptions can be found on the wiki http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/2012_talks_proposals Thank you to Ross Singer for keying in all 72 proposals! --Anjanette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups code4libcon group. To post to this group, send email to code4lib...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to code4libcon+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/code4libcon?hl=en. -- [image: @mire Inc.] *Mark Diggory* *2888 Loker Avenue East, Suite 305, Carlsbad, CA. 92010* *Esperantolaan 4, Heverlee 3001, Belgium* http://www.atmire.com -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
