Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib Hotel

[Mark A. Matienzo]

Hi Francis,

I was able to make a reservation at the conference rate, but it looks
like the conference rate isn't available on the night of February 14.
Although spending the night in the conference hotel on Valentine's Day
isn't romantic to me, I was curious if there's any possibility that
the conference rate would be available for that night as well.

Thanks again. You're doing a heck of a job.

Mark

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Francis Kayiwa  wrote:
> Thanks for your patience. While the management assures us that they have
> increased the block I would ask (unlike the conference there isn't as
> big a rush to get a hotel room :-)) you attempt tomorrow so that this
> local decision bubbles up to their hotel registration software. (This is
> my speculation)
>
> Otherwise you may have to pick up the phone and speak with a human.
>
> Please attempt to register tomorrow and should you fail shoot me a note
> at firstname.lastn...@gmail.com
>
> Again apologies for the inconvenience and thanks for the patience.
>
> Cheers,
> ./fxk
> --
> With all the fancy scientists in the world, why can't they just once
> build a nuclear balm?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib Hotel

[Andreas Orphanides]

Hi Mark,

In previous situations like yours that I've been in, I've found that if you
call the front desk of the hotel (not the reservation line or whatever, the
actual front desk of the actual hotel -- don't let them transfer you!)
they're usually happy to extend your stay at the conference rate. Worth a
shot, anyway.

-dre.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote:

> Hi Francis,
>
> I was able to make a reservation at the conference rate, but it looks
> like the conference rate isn't available on the night of February 14.
> Although spending the night in the conference hotel on Valentine's Day
> isn't romantic to me, I was curious if there's any possibility that
> the conference rate would be available for that night as well.
>
> Thanks again. You're doing a heck of a job.
>
> Mark
>
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Francis Kayiwa  wrote:
> > Thanks for your patience. While the management assures us that they have
> > increased the block I would ask (unlike the conference there isn't as
> > big a rush to get a hotel room :-)) you attempt tomorrow so that this
> > local decision bubbles up to their hotel registration software. (This is
> > my speculation)
> >
> > Otherwise you may have to pick up the phone and speak with a human.
> >
> > Please attempt to register tomorrow and should you fail shoot me a note
> > at firstname.lastn...@gmail.com
> >
> > Again apologies for the inconvenience and thanks for the patience.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > ./fxk
> > --
> > With all the fancy scientists in the world, why can't they just once
> > build a nuclear balm?
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with WordPress for Code4Lib Journal

[Shaun Ellis]

Yes, that's a good place to start.  Once you have git installed and link 
it up to your github account, you can follow the same "Contribute" steps 
that are on the README of the anti-harassment policy:


1.) Fork the codebase e.g. to https://github.com/your-username/issue-manager
2.) Clone your fork locally (git clone 
g...@github.com:your-username/issue-manager.git my-antiharassment-policy)

3.) Create a branch to hold your changes (git checkout -b my-changes)
4.) Commit the changes you've made (git commit -am "Some descriptive 
text around what you've added")

5.) Push your branch to github (git push origin my-changes)

Once you do that, we can test it out for you before merging.

-Shaun

On 12/4/12 5:45 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:

I'd check out the links under "Bootcamp" here:

https://help.github.com/

On 12/4/2012 5:18 PM, Mark Pernotto wrote:

As I'm clearly not well-versed in the goings-on of GitHub, I've
'forked' a response, but am not sure it worked correctly.

I've zipped up and sent updates to Tom.  If anyone could point me in
the direction of a good GitHub tutorial (for contributing to projects
such as these - the 'creating an account' part I think I have down),
I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,
Mark



On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Tom Keays  wrote:

Let's have mine be the canonical version for now. It will be too
confusing
to have two versions that don't have an explicit fork relationship.

https://github.com/tomkeays/issue-manager

Tom

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Chad Nelson 
wrote:


Beat me by one minute Tom!

And here it is in code4lib github

https://github.com/code4lib/IssueManager


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Tom Keays  wrote:


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Shaun Ellis 

wrote:



You can upload it to your account and then someone with admin
rights to
Code4Lib can fork it if they think our Code4Lib Journal custom code

should

be a repo there.  Doesn't really matter if they do actually. I think

for

debugging, it's best to point folks to the actual code the journal is
running, which was forked from the official one on the Codex, right?



It was written for the Journal and originally kept in a Google Code
repo
(this is before Github became the de facto). After the author left the
journal, he did a couple of updates which he uploaded to the WP Codex,

but

nothing for a few years.

Anyway, here it is:

https://github.com/tomkeays/issue-manager








--
Shaun D. Ellis
Digital Library Interface Developer
Firestone Library, Princeton University
voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib Hotel

[Heidi P Frank]

Hi everyone,
not sure if it's just me, but I still didn't get the conference rate
to show up when trying to reserve online through the links provided on
the Code4Lib site or in emails, but I've used the hotel's chat service
and am able to make it that way.  and just an fyi...the last night,
Thursday Feb.14th was not included at the conference rate, but they've
made a separate reservation at the regular rate (mine was $155/night).

thanks, and looking forward to my first Code4Lib!!
heidi

Heidi Frank
Electronic Resources & Special Formats Cataloger
New York University Libraries
Knowledge Access & Resources Management Services
20 Cooper Square, 3rd Floor
New York, NY  10003
212-998-2499 (office)
212-995-4366 (fax)
h...@nyu.edu
Skype: hfrank71


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Andreas Orphanides  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> In previous situations like yours that I've been in, I've found that if you
> call the front desk of the hotel (not the reservation line or whatever, the
> actual front desk of the actual hotel -- don't let them transfer you!)
> they're usually happy to extend your stay at the conference rate. Worth a
> shot, anyway.
>
> -dre.
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Mark A. Matienzo 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Francis,
>>
>> I was able to make a reservation at the conference rate, but it looks
>> like the conference rate isn't available on the night of February 14.
>> Although spending the night in the conference hotel on Valentine's Day
>> isn't romantic to me, I was curious if there's any possibility that
>> the conference rate would be available for that night as well.
>>
>> Thanks again. You're doing a heck of a job.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Francis Kayiwa  wrote:
>> > Thanks for your patience. While the management assures us that they have
>> > increased the block I would ask (unlike the conference there isn't as
>> > big a rush to get a hotel room :-)) you attempt tomorrow so that this
>> > local decision bubbles up to their hotel registration software. (This is
>> > my speculation)
>> >
>> > Otherwise you may have to pick up the phone and speak with a human.
>> >
>> > Please attempt to register tomorrow and should you fail shoot me a note
>> > at firstname.lastn...@gmail.com
>> >
>> > Again apologies for the inconvenience and thanks for the patience.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > ./fxk
>> > --
>> > With all the fancy scientists in the world, why can't they just once
>> > build a nuclear balm?
>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib Hotel

[Francis Kayiwa]

On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:14:28AM -0500, Mark A. Matienzo wrote:
> Hi Francis,
> 
> I was able to make a reservation at the conference rate, but it looks
> like the conference rate isn't available on the night of February 14.
> Although spending the night in the conference hotel on Valentine's Day
> isn't romantic to me, I was curious if there's any possibility that
> the conference rate would be available for that night as well.

You seem to be suggesting Chicago is not a Romantic destination. To that
I say BOOO! We have... 'er We have... hey our city occasionally smells
like Chocolate [0]

No harm in asking this. Would be cool if there are others (many birds
and one stone to stand up and be counted) Also for you Mark shoot your
conf. number to firstname.lastn...@gmail.com

Cheers,

./fxk
[0]
http://www.wbez.org/series/dynamic-range/blommer-where-???-bridges-smell-chocolate???-101620

> 
> Thanks again. You're doing a heck of a job.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Francis Kayiwa  wrote:
> > Thanks for your patience. While the management assures us that they have
> > increased the block I would ask (unlike the conference there isn't as
> > big a rush to get a hotel room :-)) you attempt tomorrow so that this
> > local decision bubbles up to their hotel registration software. (This is
> > my speculation)
> >
> > Otherwise you may have to pick up the phone and speak with a human.
> >
> > Please attempt to register tomorrow and should you fail shoot me a note
> > at firstname.lastn...@gmail.com
> >
> > Again apologies for the inconvenience and thanks for the patience.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > ./fxk
> > --
> > With all the fancy scientists in the world, why can't they just once
> > build a nuclear balm?
> 

-- 
With all the fancy scientists in the world, why can't they just once
build a nuclear balm?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with WordPress for Code4Lib Journal

[Mark Pernotto]

Jonathan/Shaun,

Thanks for the direction.  I've followed the steps suggested, I think.
 Please let me know if you have any questions or don't see anything.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Shaun Ellis  wrote:
> Yes, that's a good place to start.  Once you have git installed and link it
> up to your github account, you can follow the same "Contribute" steps that
> are on the README of the anti-harassment policy:
>
> 1.) Fork the codebase e.g. to https://github.com/your-username/issue-manager
> 2.) Clone your fork locally (git clone
> g...@github.com:your-username/issue-manager.git my-antiharassment-policy)
> 3.) Create a branch to hold your changes (git checkout -b my-changes)
> 4.) Commit the changes you've made (git commit -am "Some descriptive text
> around what you've added")
> 5.) Push your branch to github (git push origin my-changes)
>
> Once you do that, we can test it out for you before merging.
>
> -Shaun
>
>
> On 12/4/12 5:45 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
>>
>> I'd check out the links under "Bootcamp" here:
>>
>> https://help.github.com/
>>
>> On 12/4/2012 5:18 PM, Mark Pernotto wrote:
>>>
>>> As I'm clearly not well-versed in the goings-on of GitHub, I've
>>> 'forked' a response, but am not sure it worked correctly.
>>>
>>> I've zipped up and sent updates to Tom.  If anyone could point me in
>>> the direction of a good GitHub tutorial (for contributing to projects
>>> such as these - the 'creating an account' part I think I have down),
>>> I'd appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Tom Keays  wrote:

 Let's have mine be the canonical version for now. It will be too
 confusing
 to have two versions that don't have an explicit fork relationship.

 https://github.com/tomkeays/issue-manager

 Tom

 On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Chad Nelson 
 wrote:

> Beat me by one minute Tom!
>
> And here it is in code4lib github
>
> https://github.com/code4lib/IssueManager
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Tom Keays  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Shaun Ellis 
>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You can upload it to your account and then someone with admin
>>> rights to
>>> Code4Lib can fork it if they think our Code4Lib Journal custom code
>>
>> should
>>>
>>> be a repo there.  Doesn't really matter if they do actually. I think
>
> for
>>>
>>> debugging, it's best to point folks to the actual code the journal is
>>> running, which was forked from the official one on the Codex, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> It was written for the Journal and originally kept in a Google Code
>> repo
>> (this is before Github became the de facto). After the author left the
>> journal, he did a couple of updates which he uploaded to the WP Codex,
>
> but
>>
>> nothing for a few years.
>>
>> Anyway, here it is:
>>
>> https://github.com/tomkeays/issue-manager
>>
>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Shaun D. Ellis
> Digital Library Interface Developer
> Firestone Library, Princeton University
> voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu

[CODE4LIB] LC Class to OCLC Conspectus hash table? Anyone?

[Sara Amato]

Sam, did you manage to massage the conspectus into a friendly format?  I find 
myself in need of doing the same thing. 



On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Sam Kome wrote:

From: Sam Kome  
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:19:13 +
To: CODE4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU 
Bueller?

We'll work with http://www.oclc.org/collectionanalysis/support/conspectus.xls 
unless there's something more rdbms/api friendly.  

Thanks!

Sam Kome | R&D Librarian |The Claremont Colleges Library
Claremont University Consortium |800 N. Dartmouth Ave |Claremont, CA 91711
Phone (909) 621-8866 |Fax (909) 621-8517 |sam_kome_at_cuc.claremont.edu 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Senior Software Developer at GWU

[Daniel Chudnov]

You might have seen this come through here overnight:

  http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/4888/

That's us, we're hiring at GW Libraries.  You may wonder:  what makes this 
position different from others like it?  Wonder no longer...


Five reasons to work at GW Libraries as a software developer

1. Competitive salary (commensurate with experience) with an annual opportunity 
for merit increases, and a benefits package including a tuition discount for 
employees and their family members.  We encourage use of the tuition discount 
and offer scheduling flexibility. I'm finishing my second full class now and am 
registered for a third class next term.

2. Foggy Bottom in DC offers all the perks of a bustling downtown location - 
great restaurants, cultural venues, landmarks, and an international vibe.  I 
run into the Obamas all the time.  Well, I bike past their house regularly... 
and sometimes am delayed by motorcades.  Still.

3. Formal approval from university administration to release software with a 
free software license.  Almost everything we do is on  github:

  https://github.com/gwu-libraries

4. This position is a member of our Library Council (an HR designation akin to 
a tenure-like system).  As such you would be eligible for additional benefits 
such as a paid sabbatical.

5. We need you and are ready for you.  Our team is growing, taking on more 
work, and still establishing best practices, so it's a great time to join us as 
an experienced developer.


Thanks for reading.  Please consider applying!

  https://www.gwu.jobs/postings/12663
  (go here to apply)

  -Dan


p.s. we have several other jobs open now; seven total, to be precise:

  http://library.gwu.edu/about/organization/jobs/librarian

[CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Rosalyn Metz]

Hi Friends,

I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for you
to kick back and read through.

 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
Data
Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.

 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
Summary
Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts (from
above), and a summary of the results.

Let the discussion begin,
Rosalyn

P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before I
sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please blame
my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Senior Software Developer at GWU

[karim boughida]

And you get a chance to work with many of us...the GW team already in
code4lib: Josh Gomez, Rosy Metz, Laura Wrubel, Jackie Shieh, etc.

Karim Boughida
kbough...@gmail.com
bough...@gwu.edu


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Daniel Chudnov  wrote:
> You might have seen this come through here overnight:
>
>   http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/4888/
>
> That's us, we're hiring at GW Libraries.  You may wonder:  what makes this 
> position different from others like it?  Wonder no longer...
>
>
> Five reasons to work at GW Libraries as a software developer
>
> 1. Competitive salary (commensurate with experience) with an annual 
> opportunity for merit increases, and a benefits package including a tuition 
> discount for employees and their family members.  We encourage use of the 
> tuition discount and offer scheduling flexibility. I'm finishing my second 
> full class now and am registered for a third class next term.
>
> 2. Foggy Bottom in DC offers all the perks of a bustling downtown location - 
> great restaurants, cultural venues, landmarks, and an international vibe.  I 
> run into the Obamas all the time.  Well, I bike past their house regularly... 
> and sometimes am delayed by motorcades.  Still.
>
> 3. Formal approval from university administration to release software with a 
> free software license.  Almost everything we do is on  github:
>
>   https://github.com/gwu-libraries
>
> 4. This position is a member of our Library Council (an HR designation akin 
> to a tenure-like system).  As such you would be eligible for additional 
> benefits such as a paid sabbatical.
>
> 5. We need you and are ready for you.  Our team is growing, taking on more 
> work, and still establishing best practices, so it's a great time to join us 
> as an experienced developer.
>
>
> Thanks for reading.  Please consider applying!
>
>   https://www.gwu.jobs/postings/12663
>   (go here to apply)
>
>   -Dan
>
>
> p.s. we have several other jobs open now; seven total, to be precise:
>
>   http://library.gwu.edu/about/organization/jobs/librarian

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Ross Singer]

Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!

While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity among 
Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that you can draw 
the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially given the 
survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't underrepresented in the 
Code4lib program).

If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their 
demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have no 
idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is probably 
biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue that 
surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is 57/42 from 
this, I don't think.

What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to the 
number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting to see how 
this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.

This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together, though.  
Thanks, again to you and Karen!
-Ross.
On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:

> Hi Friends,
> 
> I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
> conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for you
> to kick back and read through.
> 
> [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
> Data
> Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
> but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.
> 
> [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
> Summary
> Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
> summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts (from
> above), and a summary of the results.
> 
> Let the discussion begin,
> Rosalyn
> 
> P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before I
> sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please blame
> my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Rosalyn Metz]

Ross,

I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason I
put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and confidence
interval (+/- 4.6%).

Rosalyn


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer  wrote:

> Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!
>
> While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity
> among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that you
> can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
> given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
> underrepresented in the Code4lib program).
>
> If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
> demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have no
> idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is probably
> biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
> that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
> 57/42 from this, I don't think.
>
> What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
> the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting to
> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
>
> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
> though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
> -Ross.
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
>
> > Hi Friends,
> >
> > I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
> > conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for
> you
> > to kick back and read through.
> >
> > [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
> > Data<
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE
> >
> > Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
> > but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.
> >
> > [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
> > Summary<
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hbofh63-5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juqGLQ1E/edit
> >
> > Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
> > summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts
> (from
> > above), and a summary of the results.
> >
> > Let the discussion begin,
> > Rosalyn
> >
> > P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before I
> > sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please
> blame
> > my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Jonathan Rochkind]

Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...

Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the 
assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.


If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for "how likely 
is this to be a fluke" are only accurate if your self-selected sample is 
representative; and there aren't really any equations that can tell you 
how likely your self-selected sample is to be representative, it depends 
on the circumstances (which is why for the statistical equations to be 
completely valid, you need a random sample).


Is my understanding.

On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:

Ross,

I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason I
put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and confidence
interval (+/- 4.6%).

Rosalyn


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer  wrote:


Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!

While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity
among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that you
can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
underrepresented in the Code4lib program).

If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have no
idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is probably
biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
57/42 from this, I don't think.

What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting to
see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.

This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
-Ross.
On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:


Hi Friends,

I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for

you

to kick back and read through.

[Code4Lib] Gender Survey
Data<

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE


Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.

[Code4Lib] Gender Survey
Summary<

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hbofh63-5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juqGLQ1E/edit


Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts

(from

above), and a summary of the results.

Let the discussion begin,
Rosalyn

P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before I
sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please

blame

my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Ross Singer]

Right, what I'm saying is that this survey is subject to "response bias" 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_bias - "It also occurs in situations of 
voluntary response, such as phone-in polls, where the people who care enough to 
call are not necessarily a statistically representative sample of the actual 
population"), which doesn't render it irrelevant, it just can't, by itself, be 
declared representative of the non-participating community's demographics.

My point here isn't that it's not representative, it's that we can't know 
because the subject matter of the survey (which is about gender inequality, 
esp. among females) inherently produces statistical bias.

-Ross.

On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Jonathan Rochkind  wrote:

> Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
> 
> Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the 
> assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.
> 
> If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for "how likely is 
> this to be a fluke" are only accurate if your self-selected sample is 
> representative; and there aren't really any equations that can tell you how 
> likely your self-selected sample is to be representative, it depends on the 
> circumstances (which is why for the statistical equations to be completely 
> valid, you need a random sample).
> 
> Is my understanding.
> 
> On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>> Ross,
>> 
>> I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
>> according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
>> survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason I
>> put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
>> size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and confidence
>> interval (+/- 4.6%).
>> 
>> Rosalyn
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!
>>> 
>>> While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity
>>> among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that you
>>> can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
>>> given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
>>> underrepresented in the Code4lib program).
>>> 
>>> If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
>>> demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have no
>>> idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is probably
>>> biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
>>> that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
>>> 57/42 from this, I don't think.
>>> 
>>> What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
>>> the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting to
>>> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
>>> 
>>> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
>>> though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
>>> -Ross.
>>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Friends,
 
 I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
 conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for
>>> you
 to kick back and read through.
 
 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Data<
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE
 
 Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
 but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.
 
 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Summary<
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hbofh63-5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juqGLQ1E/edit
 
 Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
 summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts
>>> (from
 above), and a summary of the results.
 
 Let the discussion begin,
 Rosalyn
 
 P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before I
 sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please
>>> blame
 my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.
>>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Becky Yoose]

That was my understanding as well.

I would at least like to see the limitations of the survey addressed in the
document, such as response and selection biases, at least for those folks
who may not be familiar with the existence of such biases.

Interesting numbers, yes. Statistically significant? I think the biases
need to be considered for answering this one.



Thanks,
Becky, survey non-respondent

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Rochkind  wrote:

> Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
>
> Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the
> assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.
>
> If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for "how likely is
> this to be a fluke" are only accurate if your self-selected sample is
> representative; and there aren't really any equations that can tell you how
> likely your self-selected sample is to be representative, it depends on the
> circumstances (which is why for the statistical equations to be completely
> valid, you need a random sample).
>
> Is my understanding.
>
>
> On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>
>> Ross,
>>
>> I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
>> according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
>> survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason I
>> put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
>> size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and
>> confidence
>> interval (+/- 4.6%).
>>
>> Rosalyn
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!
>>>
>>> While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity
>>> among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that
>>> you
>>> can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
>>> given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
>>> underrepresented in the Code4lib program).
>>>
>>> If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
>>> demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have
>>> no
>>> idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is
>>> probably
>>> biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
>>> that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
>>> 57/42 from this, I don't think.
>>>
>>> What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
>>> the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting
>>> to
>>> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
>>>
>>> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
>>> though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
>>> -Ross.
>>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Friends,

 I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
 conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for

>>> you
>>>
 to kick back and read through.

 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Data<

>>> https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=**
>>> 0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1N**mo0akNhZlVDTlE
>>>

 Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very
 interesting,
 but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.

 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Summary<

>>> https://docs.google.com/**document/d/1Hbofh63-**
>>> 5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juq**GLQ1E/edit
>>>

 Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
 summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts

>>> (from
>>>
 above), and a summary of the results.

 Let the discussion begin,
 Rosalyn

 P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before
 I
 sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please

>>> blame
>>>
 my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Bohyun Kim]

I just want to say BIG thanks to Rosalyn for running this survey and putting 
together the summary for all of us to view. 

The most interesting part to me was that 22 % (female) and 14. 8 % (male) of 
people bothered to take the survey even though they identified themselves as 
not a member of the community.  Wondering what that really means...  


~Bohyun


From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Becky Yoose 
[b.yo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 2:39 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results



That was my understanding as well.

I would at least like to see the limitations of the survey addressed in the
document, such as response and selection biases, at least for those folks
who may not be familiar with the existence of such biases.

Interesting numbers, yes. Statistically significant? I think the biases
need to be considered for answering this one.



Thanks,
Becky, survey non-respondent

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Rochkind  wrote:

> Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
>
> Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the
> assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.
>
> If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for "how likely is
> this to be a fluke" are only accurate if your self-selected sample is
> representative; and there aren't really any equations that can tell you how
> likely your self-selected sample is to be representative, it depends on the
> circumstances (which is why for the statistical equations to be completely
> valid, you need a random sample).
>
> Is my understanding.
>
>
> On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>
>> Ross,
>>
>> I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
>> according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
>> survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason I
>> put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
>> size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and
>> confidence
>> interval (+/- 4.6%).
>>
>> Rosalyn
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!
>>>
>>> While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity
>>> among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that
>>> you
>>> can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
>>> given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
>>> underrepresented in the Code4lib program).
>>>
>>> If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
>>> demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have
>>> no
>>> idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is
>>> probably
>>> biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
>>> that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
>>> 57/42 from this, I don't think.
>>>
>>> What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
>>> the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting
>>> to
>>> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
>>>
>>> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
>>> though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
>>> -Ross.
>>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Friends,

 I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
 conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for

>>> you
>>>
 to kick back and read through.

 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Data<

>>> https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=**
>>> 0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1N**mo0akNhZlVDTlE
>>>

 Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very
 interesting,
 but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.

 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Summary<

>>> https://docs.google.com/**document/d/1Hbofh63-**
>>> 5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juq**GLQ1E/edit
>>>

 Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
 summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts

>>> (from
>>>
 above), and a summary of the results.

 Let the discussion begin,
 Rosalyn

 P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before
 I
 sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please

>>> blame
>>>
 my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Rosalyn Metz]

Thanks Bohyun!

I also thought the most revealing information was in male and female
responses regarding whether or not they felt they were part of the
community.  Regardless of whether or not there is sampling bias, I think
that its showing us some trends we shouldn't dismiss.

Rosalyn


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Bohyun Kim  wrote:

> I just want to say BIG thanks to Rosalyn for running this survey and
> putting together the summary for all of us to view.
>
> The most interesting part to me was that 22 % (female) and 14. 8 % (male)
> of people bothered to take the survey even though they identified
> themselves as not a member of the community.  Wondering what that really
> means...
>
>
> ~Bohyun
>
> 
> From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Becky
> Yoose [b.yo...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 2:39 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results
>
> 
>
> That was my understanding as well.
>
> I would at least like to see the limitations of the survey addressed in the
> document, such as response and selection biases, at least for those folks
> who may not be familiar with the existence of such biases.
>
> Interesting numbers, yes. Statistically significant? I think the biases
> need to be considered for answering this one.
>
> 
>
> Thanks,
> Becky, survey non-respondent
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Rochkind 
> wrote:
>
> > Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
> >
> > Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the
> > assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.
> >
> > If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for "how likely is
> > this to be a fluke" are only accurate if your self-selected sample is
> > representative; and there aren't really any equations that can tell you
> how
> > likely your self-selected sample is to be representative, it depends on
> the
> > circumstances (which is why for the statistical equations to be
> completely
> > valid, you need a random sample).
> >
> > Is my understanding.
> >
> >
> > On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
> >
> >> Ross,
> >>
> >> I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
> >> according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
> >> survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason
> I
> >> put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
> >> size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and
> >> confidence
> >> interval (+/- 4.6%).
> >>
> >> Rosalyn
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!
> >>>
> >>> While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more
> diversity
> >>> among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that
> >>> you
> >>> can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
> >>> given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
> >>> underrepresented in the Code4lib program).
> >>>
> >>> If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about
> their
> >>> demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we
> have
> >>> no
> >>> idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is
> >>> probably
> >>> biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
> >>> that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
> >>> 57/42 from this, I don't think.
> >>>
> >>> What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
> >>> the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting
> >>> to
> >>> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
> >>>
> >>> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
> >>> though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
> >>> -Ross.
> >>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Hi Friends,
> 
>  I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
>  conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time
> for
> 
> >>> you
> >>>
>  to kick back and read through.
> 
>  [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
>  Data<
> 
> >>> https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=**
> >>> 0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1N**mo0akNhZlVDTlE<
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE
> >
> >>>
> 
>  Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very
>  interesting,
>  but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.
> 
>  [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
>  Summary<
> 
> >>> https://docs.google.com/**document/d/1Hbofh63-**
> >>> 5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juq**GLQ1E/edit<
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Sara Amato]

I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that 
someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of 
traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses…. 


On Dec 5, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:

> Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
> 
> Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the 
> assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.
> 
> If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for "how likely is 
> this to be a fluke" are only accurate if your self-selected sample is 
> representative; and there aren't really any equations that can tell you how 
> likely your self-selected sample is to be representative, it depends on the 
> circumstances (which is why for the statistical equations to be completely 
> valid, you need a random sample).
> 
> Is my understanding.
> 
> On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>> Ross,
>> 
>> I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
>> according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
>> survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason I
>> put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
>> size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and confidence
>> interval (+/- 4.6%).
>> 
>> Rosalyn
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!
>>> 
>>> While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity
>>> among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that you
>>> can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
>>> given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
>>> underrepresented in the Code4lib program).
>>> 
>>> If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
>>> demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have no
>>> idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is probably
>>> biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
>>> that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
>>> 57/42 from this, I don't think.
>>> 
>>> What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
>>> the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting to
>>> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
>>> 
>>> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
>>> though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
>>> -Ross.
>>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Friends,
 
 I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
 conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for
>>> you
 to kick back and read through.
 
 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Data<
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE
 
 Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
 but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.
 
 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Summary<
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hbofh63-5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juqGLQ1E/edit
 
 Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
 summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts
>>> (from
 above), and a summary of the results.
 
 Let the discussion begin,
 Rosalyn
 
 P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before I
 sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please
>>> blame
 my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.
>>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Karen Coyle]

Which, if I read you right, Ross, is you're saying the results were 
overly optimistic in terms of % of women on c4l list. I, too, thought it 
sounded higher than I would have expected. I looked to see if the 
subscriber list is available, but couldn't find it. That would have its 
own problems, of course, but could be a way to get a second opinion on 
the numbers.


However, I think if we can get over the need to quantify we can probably 
agree that quality-wise, more participation from women is a good thing. 
More participation from women would be more representative of the field 
of librarianship and also of the general population. I saw a report 
recently that said that more than 60% of library users (and I think this 
was US public libraries) are women, which is higher than the general 
population. And unless we believe that there are no differences between 
men and women, that would lead one to conclude that it's important for 
library services to be both male and female friendly. Which to me means 
that we need to have men and women working together to design all 
aspects of the library's public face.


kc
p.s. Like Bohyun, I found the number of respondents that do NOT consider 
themselves part of the community to be intriguing.



On 12/5/12 11:31 AM, Ross Singer wrote:

Right, what I'm saying is that this survey is subject to "response bias" 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_bias - "It also occurs in situations of voluntary 
response, such as phone-in polls, where the people who care enough to call are not necessarily a 
statistically representative sample of the actual population"), which doesn't render it 
irrelevant, it just can't, by itself, be declared representative of the non-participating 
community's demographics.

My point here isn't that it's not representative, it's that we can't know 
because the subject matter of the survey (which is about gender inequality, 
esp. among females) inherently produces statistical bias.

-Ross.

On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Jonathan Rochkind  wrote:


Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...

Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the assumption 
of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.

If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for "how likely is this to be 
a fluke" are only accurate if your self-selected sample is representative; and there 
aren't really any equations that can tell you how likely your self-selected sample is to 
be representative, it depends on the circumstances (which is why for the statistical 
equations to be completely valid, you need a random sample).

Is my understanding.

On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:

Ross,

I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason I
put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and confidence
interval (+/- 4.6%).

Rosalyn


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer  wrote:


Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!

While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity
among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that you
can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
underrepresented in the Code4lib program).

If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have no
idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is probably
biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
57/42 from this, I don't think.

What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting to
see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.

This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
-Ross.
On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:


Hi Friends,

I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for

you

to kick back and read through.

[Code4Lib] Gender Survey
Data<

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE

Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.

[Code4Lib] Gender Survey
Summary<

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hbofh63-5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juqGLQ1E/edit

Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Cary Gordon]

For me this unofficially confirms what many unofficially suspect,
which is the gender distribution of presenters at Code4LibCon does not
reflect the gender distribution of the community. The interesting
thing is that the Code4Lib community is (unofficially) more balanced
than most tech communities (code in name = tech), which is, to me, a
very good thing.

Cary

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Bohyun Kim  wrote:
> I just want to say BIG thanks to Rosalyn for running this survey and putting 
> together the summary for all of us to view.
>
> The most interesting part to me was that 22 % (female) and 14. 8 % (male) of 
> people bothered to take the survey even though they identified themselves as 
> not a member of the community.  Wondering what that really means...
>
>
> ~Bohyun
>
> 
> From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Becky Yoose 
> [b.yo...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 2:39 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results
>
> 
>
> That was my understanding as well.
>
> I would at least like to see the limitations of the survey addressed in the
> document, such as response and selection biases, at least for those folks
> who may not be familiar with the existence of such biases.
>
> Interesting numbers, yes. Statistically significant? I think the biases
> need to be considered for answering this one.
>
> 
>
> Thanks,
> Becky, survey non-respondent
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Rochkind  wrote:
>
>> Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
>>
>> Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the
>> assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.
>>
>> If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for "how likely is
>> this to be a fluke" are only accurate if your self-selected sample is
>> representative; and there aren't really any equations that can tell you how
>> likely your self-selected sample is to be representative, it depends on the
>> circumstances (which is why for the statistical equations to be completely
>> valid, you need a random sample).
>>
>> Is my understanding.
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>>
>>> Ross,
>>>
>>> I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but
>>> according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that the
>>> survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the reason I
>>> put information in the write up about the sample size (378), population
>>> size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level (95%), and
>>> confidence
>>> interval (+/- 4.6%).
>>>
>>> Rosalyn
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!

 While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity
 among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that
 you
 can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
 given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
 underrepresented in the Code4lib program).

 If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
 demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have
 no
 idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is
 probably
 biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
 that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
 57/42 from this, I don't think.

 What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
 the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting
 to
 see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.

 This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
 though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
 -Ross.
 On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:

  Hi Friends,
>
> I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
> conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for
>
 you

> to kick back and read through.
>
> [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
> Data<
>
 https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=**
 0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1N**mo0akNhZlVDTlE

>
> Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very
> interesting,
> but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.
>
> [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
> Summary<
>
 https://docs.google.com/**document/d/1Hbofh63-**
 5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juq**GLQ1E/edit

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Ben Companjen]

I filled out the form and submitted my answers (male, not part of the 
community) before seeing I can call myself part of the community 
according to Ross's example "Are you part of the community" questions.


But that's just me :)

On 5-12-2012 20:56, Bohyun Kim wrote:

I just want to say BIG thanks to Rosalyn for running this survey and putting 
together the summary for all of us to view.

The most interesting part to me was that 22 % (female) and 14. 8 % (male) of 
people bothered to take the survey even though they identified themselves as 
not a member of the community.  Wondering what that really means...


~Bohyun

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Rosalyn Metz]

i think ross only brought up this point to see if i could still maintain
the pretty formatting in addition to adding something extra to the summary.

well ross challenge accepted and met.  so :P


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer  wrote:

> Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!
>
> While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more diversity
> among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically speaking, that you
> can draw the conclusions you have based on the sample size, especially
> given the survey's topic (note, I am not saying that women aren't
> underrepresented in the Code4lib program).
>
> If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about their
> demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% female, we have no
> idea.  I think it is safe to say that the breakdown of the 16% is probably
> biased towards females simply given the subject matter and the dialogue
> that surrounded it.  We simply cannot project that the mailing list is
> 57/42 from this, I don't think.
>
> What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds to
> the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be interesting to
> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
>
> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
> though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
> -Ross.
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
>
> > Hi Friends,
> >
> > I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now that
> > conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for
> you
> > to kick back and read through.
> >
> > [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
> > Data<
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE
> >
> > Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very interesting,
> > but you can use it to view my Pivot Tables and charts.
> >
> > [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
> > Summary<
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hbofh63-5F9MWEk8y8C83heOkNodttASWF5juqGLQ1E/edit
> >
> > Gender Survey Summary is easy to read version of the above -- its the
> > summary I wrote about the results.  Included is a brief intro, charts
> (from
> > above), and a summary of the results.
> >
> > Let the discussion begin,
> > Rosalyn
> >
> > P.S. Much thanks to Karen Coyle for reviewing the summary for me before I
> > sent it out.  Also if there are any typos or grammar mistakes, please
> blame
> > my friend Abigail who behaved as my editor.
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[MJ Ray]

Sara Amato 
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
> > Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
> > 
> > Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on
> > the assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering
> > self-selected sample.
> 
> I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to
> me that someone with access to the list of subscribers might run
> that against a list of traditional boy/girl names, and be able to
> make some guesses….

With my (rather dusty through lack of formal use) stats grad hat on,
I'd say Jonathan Rochkind is correct: the assumptions behind those
calculations are violated. http://www.jerrydallal.com/LHSP/ci.htm
explains more about confidence intervals, but the usual calculations
require independent random sampling.

(LHSP was a good web book and may be worth a read if you want help
with stats, but it seems that there won't be any more web editions for
now, thanks to the evil Kindle system.  If only it were FOSS.)

What happened here is sometimes called a Self-selected Listener Online
Poll, like the radio stations or newspapers do, and it's not random.
It may still be informative, but I'd not suggest the calculated
confidence intervals are valid.

Guessing from the names may be informative - especially about how many
people use forms that aren't easily identifiable in that way - but I
think the usual approach would be to use random numbers to draw a
sample from the subscribers and just ask those the detailed questions.
Then you could work out a CI and so on in the usual way.

Some years ago, I wrote more about surveying at
http://people.debian.org/~mjr/surveys.html#advice
if you want overkill.  Some links are stale at the moment.

Hope that helps,
-- 
MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op.
http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer.
In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html
Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/

[CODE4LIB] Hotel registration using an alias

[Francis Kayiwa]

If this is any one of you do let us know so you can get the LIB rate. We
are near certain we have everyone but these two people are registered
for the exact time as the Conference but I'm not seeing them on the
Conf. Attendees.

Jan Walls
James Eric or (Eric James)
Antonio Barrera

Cheers,

./fxk

-- 
With all the fancy scientists in the world, why can't they just once
build a nuclear balm?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[stuart yeates]

On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote:

I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that 
someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of 
traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses….


That idea runs into problems both with non-western names (there is more 
than one kind of diversity) and those people whose experience of gender 
in the workplace have led them to use non-gender-specific identifiers.


cheers
stuart
--
Stuart Yeates
Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Hotel registration using an alias

[Cary Gordon]

fwiw, Ian Walls is a frequent Code4Liber

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Francis Kayiwa  wrote:
> If this is any one of you do let us know so you can get the LIB rate. We
> are near certain we have everyone but these two people are registered
> for the exact time as the Conference but I'm not seeing them on the
> Conf. Attendees.
>
> Jan Walls
> James Eric or (Eric James)
> Antonio Barrera
>
> Cheers,
>
> ./fxk
>
> --
> With all the fancy scientists in the world, why can't they just once
> build a nuclear balm?



-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Rosalyn Metz]

So rather than focusing on statistics and math, I'd like to steer the
conversation in a different direction.  Let's say Ross is right and more
women chose to take the survey based on the topic -- maybe that's a way to
get women involved in Code4Lib.

Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can
be a place to start.  Or maybe we have a few women that are willing to step
up and be a Code4Lib mentor to other women -- similar to what we do for the
new member event at the conference.  I'd even be willing to step up and
organize that if people like the idea.

Thoughts?


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 PM, stuart yeates wrote:

> On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote:
>
>> I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me
>> that someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against
>> a list of traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses….
>>
>
> That idea runs into problems both with non-western names (there is more
> than one kind of diversity) and those people whose experience of gender in
> the workplace have led them to use non-gender-specific identifiers.
>
> cheers
> stuart
> --
> Stuart Yeates
> Library Technology Services 
> http://www.victoria.ac.nz/**library/
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Hotel registration using an alias

[Kevin S. Clarke]

As is Antonio Barrera (abarr...@princeton.edu)...

Kevin

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Cary Gordon  wrote:
> fwiw, Ian Walls is a frequent Code4Liber
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Francis Kayiwa  wrote:
>> If this is any one of you do let us know so you can get the LIB rate. We
>> are near certain we have everyone but these two people are registered
>> for the exact time as the Conference but I'm not seeing them on the
>> Conf. Attendees.
>>
>> Jan Walls
>> James Eric or (Eric James)
>> Antonio Barrera
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> ./fxk
>>
>> --
>> With all the fancy scientists in the world, why can't they just once
>> build a nuclear balm?
>
>
>
> --
> Cary Gordon
> The Cherry Hill Company
> http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Fitchett, Deborah]

Oh well, I'll bite: despite the "Are you part of the community" questions, I 
just couldn't bring myself to feel that having had an article published in the 
Code4Lib journal made me part of a community rather than part of a table of 
contents. :-) Certainly lurking doesn't qualify for my personal definition 
(I've lurked in all *sorts* of places); I felt community requires (among other 
things) a modicum of two-way communication. Such as if, for example, I should 
ever feel myself called to answer an email on the listserv

Deborah 

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bohyun 
Kim
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 8:56 a.m.
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

I just want to say BIG thanks to Rosalyn for running this survey and putting 
together the summary for all of us to view.

The most interesting part to me was that 22 % (female) and 14. 8 % (male) of 
people bothered to take the survey even though they identified themselves as 
not a member of the community.  Wondering what that really means...


~Bohyun


From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Becky Yoose 
[b.yo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 2:39 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results



That was my understanding as well.

I would at least like to see the limitations of the survey addressed in the 
document, such as response and selection biases, at least for those folks who 
may not be familiar with the existence of such biases.

Interesting numbers, yes. Statistically significant? I think the biases need to 
be considered for answering this one.



Thanks,
Becky, survey non-respondent

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Rochkind  wrote:

> Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
>
> Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the 
> assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample.
>
> If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for "how likely 
> is this to be a fluke" are only accurate if your self-selected sample 
> is representative; and there aren't really any equations that can tell 
> you how likely your self-selected sample is to be representative, it 
> depends on the circumstances (which is why for the statistical 
> equations to be completely valid, you need a random sample).
>
> Is my understanding.
>
>
> On 12/5/2012 2:18 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>
>> Ross,
>>
>> I totally get what you're saying, I thought of all of that too, but 
>> according to everything I was reading through, the likelihood that 
>> the survey's results are a fluke is extremely low.  Its actually the 
>> reason I put information in the write up about the sample size (378), 
>> population size (2,250), response rate (16.8%), confidence level 
>> (95%), and confidence interval (+/- 4.6%).
>>
>> Rosalyn
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Ross Singer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks, Rosalyn for setting this up and compiling the results!
>>>
>>> While it doesn't change my default position, "yes we need more 
>>> diversity among Code4lib presenters!", I'm not sure, statistically 
>>> speaking, that you can draw the conclusions you have based on the 
>>> sample size, especially given the survey's topic (note, I am not 
>>> saying that women aren't underrepresented in the Code4lib program).
>>>
>>> If 83% of the mailing didn't respond, we simply know nothing about 
>>> their demographics.  They could be 95% male, they could be 99% 
>>> female, we have no idea.  I think it is safe to say that the 
>>> breakdown of the 16% is probably biased towards females simply given 
>>> the subject matter and the dialogue that surrounded it.  We simply 
>>> cannot project that the mailing list is
>>> 57/42 from this, I don't think.
>>>
>>> What is interesting, however, is that the number roughly corresponds 
>>> to the number of seats in the conference.  I think it would be 
>>> interesting to see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the 
>>> conference.
>>>
>>> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together, 
>>> though.  Thanks, again to you and Karen!
>>> -Ross.
>>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Friends,

 I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey.  Now 
 that conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect 
 time for

>>> you
>>>
 to kick back and read through.

 [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
 Data<

>>> https://docs.google.com/**spreadsheet/ccc?key=**
>>> 0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1N**mo0akNhZlVDTlE>> om/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSWlPaFJ2UTh1Nmo0akNhZlVDTlE>
>>>

 Gender Survey Data is the raw data for the survey.  Not very 
 interesting, but you can use it to view my Pivot

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Roy Tennant]

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
> Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can
> be a place to start.

I understand the motivation to create a "safe space" for women, but
please let's not do this. "Separate but equal" has never been shown to
make progress toward equality, and I doubt this situation would be any
different. I believe it would instead make things worse, by
balkanizing the community rather than encouraging good behavior within
a unified group. In other words, the solution will never be reached
without active participation by men.
Roy

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Karen Coyle]

Roy,

It wasn't for safety -- it was for training. Some of us haven't spent 
much time on IRC -- I never know what to do when I get there -- can't 
remember commands, even with a decent GUI. So I was trying to think of 
places (e.g. Github, IRC) where we'd like to have more women 
participating and how we could give them a chance to learn.* Lots of 
people are afraid of making mistakes in front of others, and we know 
that women/girls take fewer chances in mixed classrooms. Once they get 
adept at the environment they can participate in the group list with 
more confidence. Training, mentoring -- it all blends together.


In fact, I'm thinking that at c4l we could put up some big pieces of 
paper (I love the giant post-it paper) and have people make lists of 
their favorite tools, hangouts, etc. Then we could use those lists as 
ways to figure out what people need to learn to feel more like "part of 
the community" and to feel more confident about participating.


kc
* Look at the list of edits on the anti-harassment policy -- not many 
women there. I suspect it's unfamiliarity with Git. If we're going to 
use a tool as a community, then I want more women to be familiar with 
it. If someone else wants to train men or a coed group, that's fine.


On 12/5/12 1:35 PM, Roy Tennant wrote:

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:

Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can
be a place to start.

I understand the motivation to create a "safe space" for women, but
please let's not do this. "Separate but equal" has never been shown to
make progress toward equality, and I doubt this situation would be any
different. I believe it would instead make things worse, by
balkanizing the community rather than encouraging good behavior within
a unified group. In other words, the solution will never be reached
without active participation by men.
Roy


--
Karen Coyle
kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with WordPress for Code4Lib Journal

[Ed Sperr]

Instead of maintaining a custom codebase to try and force WP to do what you 
want, why not just use a tool purpose-built for this kind of job? The 
open-source, "Open Journal Systems" from PKP might be a good fit: 
http://pkp.sfu.ca/?q=ojs

Ed Sperr, M.L.I.S.
Copyright and Electronic Resources Officer
St. George's University
esp...@sgu.edu

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Michele R Combs]

I second this, in its entirety.

Michele

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Roy 
Tennant
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:35 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
> Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe 
> that can be a place to start.

I understand the motivation to create a "safe space" for women, but please 
let's not do this. "Separate but equal" has never been shown to make progress 
toward equality, and I doubt this situation would be any different. I believe 
it would instead make things worse, by balkanizing the community rather than 
encouraging good behavior within a unified group. In other words, the solution 
will never be reached without active participation by men.
Roy

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with WordPress for Code4Lib Journal

[Jonathan Rochkind]

We've looked at OJS in the past and not been happy with it, we're pretty 
happy with WordPress, and not really looking to migrate all our 
operations to different software.


But thanks for the suggestion.

(I do think there are probably ways we could keep using WP without a 
custom codebase, which I personally would prefer, but it's all tradeoffs.).


On 12/5/2012 5:05 PM, Ed Sperr wrote:

Instead of maintaining a custom codebase to try and force WP to do what you want, why not 
just use a tool purpose-built for this kind of job? The open-source, "Open Journal 
Systems" from PKP might be a good fit: http://pkp.sfu.ca/?q=ojs

Ed Sperr, M.L.I.S.
Copyright and Electronic Resources Officer
St. George's University
esp...@sgu.edu

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Esmé Cowles]

I think a coed group would be great.  It might be nice to have a separate IRC 
channel for testing things out where people wouldn't have to worry about 
bothering people or looking foolish.

I think an intro to IRC and quick rundown of all the zoia commands would be a 
great thing to do in the Open space pre-conf.

-Esme
--
Esme Cowles 

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give
 it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement."
 -- J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

On 12/5/2012, at 4:45 PM, Karen Coyle  wrote:

> Roy,
> 
> It wasn't for safety -- it was for training. Some of us haven't spent much 
> time on IRC -- I never know what to do when I get there -- can't remember 
> commands, even with a decent GUI. So I was trying to think of places (e.g. 
> Github, IRC) where we'd like to have more women participating and how we 
> could give them a chance to learn.* Lots of people are afraid of making 
> mistakes in front of others, and we know that women/girls take fewer chances 
> in mixed classrooms. Once they get adept at the environment they can 
> participate in the group list with more confidence. Training, mentoring -- it 
> all blends together.
> 
> In fact, I'm thinking that at c4l we could put up some big pieces of paper (I 
> love the giant post-it paper) and have people make lists of their favorite 
> tools, hangouts, etc. Then we could use those lists as ways to figure out 
> what people need to learn to feel more like "part of the community" and to 
> feel more confident about participating.
> 
> kc
> * Look at the list of edits on the anti-harassment policy -- not many women 
> there. I suspect it's unfamiliarity with Git. If we're going to use a tool as 
> a community, then I want more women to be familiar with it. If someone else 
> wants to train men or a coed group, that's fine.
> 
> On 12/5/12 1:35 PM, Roy Tennant wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz  wrote:
>>> Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can
>>> be a place to start.
>> I understand the motivation to create a "safe space" for women, but
>> please let's not do this. "Separate but equal" has never been shown to
>> make progress toward equality, and I doubt this situation would be any
>> different. I believe it would instead make things worse, by
>> balkanizing the community rather than encouraging good behavior within
>> a unified group. In other words, the solution will never be reached
>> without active participation by men.
>> Roy
> 
> -- 
> Karen Coyle
> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> m: 1-510-435-8234
> skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Jonathan Rochkind]

That makes sense, but I predict that if you create such a channel, even 
if the intention is for training (in recognition that many women are 
more comfortable training in a single gender environment, as kcoyle 
says) -- people (mainly women people) will end up 'hanging out' in there 
instead of in #code4lib, resulting in fewer women hanging out in #code4lib.


Which I guess you could think is a fine thing, or could think is an 
unfortunate thing. I agree with royt that it would be an unfortunate 
thing, for a bunch of different reasons.


Of course, like most any other project or venue of code4lib, we don't 
all need to agree on this, and no approval needs to be had -- if someone 
wants to create an IRC channel for 'code4lib women' or something, they 
can do so on freenode.


But I agree with royt it'd be unfortunate. If the intent really is just 
for 'training', then maybe call it #code4lib_learning_irc or something, 
to try and reduce the chances of it vacuuming women's participation out 
of main #code4lib, even if that wasn't the original intent.




On 12/5/2012 4:45 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:

Roy,

It wasn't for safety -- it was for training. Some of us haven't spent
much time on IRC -- I never know what to do when I get there -- can't
remember commands, even with a decent GUI. So I was trying to think of
places (e.g. Github, IRC) where we'd like to have more women
participating and how we could give them a chance to learn.* Lots of
people are afraid of making mistakes in front of others, and we know
that women/girls take fewer chances in mixed classrooms. Once they get
adept at the environment they can participate in the group list with
more confidence. Training, mentoring -- it all blends together.

In fact, I'm thinking that at c4l we could put up some big pieces of
paper (I love the giant post-it paper) and have people make lists of
their favorite tools, hangouts, etc. Then we could use those lists as
ways to figure out what people need to learn to feel more like "part of
the community" and to feel more confident about participating.

kc
* Look at the list of edits on the anti-harassment policy -- not many
women there. I suspect it's unfamiliarity with Git. If we're going to
use a tool as a community, then I want more women to be familiar with
it. If someone else wants to train men or a coed group, that's fine.

On 12/5/12 1:35 PM, Roy Tennant wrote:

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
wrote:

Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe
that can
be a place to start.

I understand the motivation to create a "safe space" for women, but
please let's not do this. "Separate but equal" has never been shown to
make progress toward equality, and I doubt this situation would be any
different. I believe it would instead make things worse, by
balkanizing the community rather than encouraging good behavior within
a unified group. In other words, the solution will never be reached
without active participation by men.
Roy

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Karen Coyle]

I'm fine with naming it code4lib-learning or whatever. It must be clear 
that it is an area for testing, hanging out, learning (we could even 
schedule learning times to meet there -- following Esme's suggestion of 
having a time at Chicago, and could include folks who aren't at c4l13).


And, as you say, anyone can create any channel they want, and if some 
folks want a channel, there's no reason why they can't have one. You 
know, it might even turn out that there's room for more than one c4l 
channel, based on interests and activities. I honestly don't care if it 
turns out that men are predominantly in one and women are predominantly 
in the other. The point is that people should gather in the space that 
is most useful to them. My interest is in making sure that the 
under-represented women on the list learn enough about the available 
tools to decide what works for them. If it turns out not to be useful it 
will fade away as all unused social spaces do.


kc

On 12/5/12 2:49 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
That makes sense, but I predict that if you create such a channel, 
even if the intention is for training (in recognition that many women 
are more comfortable training in a single gender environment, as 
kcoyle says) -- people (mainly women people) will end up 'hanging out' 
in there instead of in #code4lib, resulting in fewer women hanging out 
in #code4lib.


Which I guess you could think is a fine thing, or could think is an 
unfortunate thing. I agree with royt that it would be an unfortunate 
thing, for a bunch of different reasons.


Of course, like most any other project or venue of code4lib, we don't 
all need to agree on this, and no approval needs to be had -- if 
someone wants to create an IRC channel for 'code4lib women' or 
something, they can do so on freenode.


But I agree with royt it'd be unfortunate. If the intent really is 
just for 'training', then maybe call it #code4lib_learning_irc or 
something, to try and reduce the chances of it vacuuming women's 
participation out of main #code4lib, even if that wasn't the original 
intent.




On 12/5/2012 4:45 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:

Roy,

It wasn't for safety -- it was for training. Some of us haven't spent
much time on IRC -- I never know what to do when I get there -- can't
remember commands, even with a decent GUI. So I was trying to think of
places (e.g. Github, IRC) where we'd like to have more women
participating and how we could give them a chance to learn.* Lots of
people are afraid of making mistakes in front of others, and we know
that women/girls take fewer chances in mixed classrooms. Once they get
adept at the environment they can participate in the group list with
more confidence. Training, mentoring -- it all blends together.

In fact, I'm thinking that at c4l we could put up some big pieces of
paper (I love the giant post-it paper) and have people make lists of
their favorite tools, hangouts, etc. Then we could use those lists as
ways to figure out what people need to learn to feel more like "part of
the community" and to feel more confident about participating.

kc
* Look at the list of edits on the anti-harassment policy -- not many
women there. I suspect it's unfamiliarity with Git. If we're going to
use a tool as a community, then I want more women to be familiar with
it. If someone else wants to train men or a coed group, that's fine.

On 12/5/12 1:35 PM, Roy Tennant wrote:

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
wrote:

Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe
that can
be a place to start.

I understand the motivation to create a "safe space" for women, but
please let's not do this. "Separate but equal" has never been shown to
make progress toward equality, and I doubt this situation would be any
different. I believe it would instead make things worse, by
balkanizing the community rather than encouraging good behavior within
a unified group. In other words, the solution will never be reached
without active participation by men.
Roy




--
Karen Coyle
kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet

[CODE4LIB] Job: Systems Engineer at Columbia University

[jobs]

Columbia University Libraries seeks a linux systems engineer for our RHEL,
CentOS, and Xen VM environment. The systems engineer will, under supervision,
assist in designing, developing, installing, securing, documenting, and
monitoring our approximately 100 servers and VMs. The systems engineer will
install, support, configure, and sometimes extend or modify open-source
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supplied software such as Atlassian Jira and Confluence; and in-house
applications written by our development teams. The systems engineer will
address support requests from both Library developers and general Library
staff on these applications.

  
Required Qualifications:

  
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combination of education and experience).

  
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communication skills. Knowledge of programming principles and at least one
higher-level programming language. Must be able to balance priorities and meet
deadlines on multiple task

  
Preferred Qualifications:

  
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management systems, storage/backup management.



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[CODE4LIB] Job: Programmer/Analyst—User Interface Design and Development at New York University

[jobs]

NYU Digital Libraries group seeks a coding designer, someone with great user
interface and interaction design skills, who's also comfortable coding web
pages and employing the latest techniques in responsive design. The Position
is charged with working across a portfolio of projects to design, build, and
maintain front end software for web-based systems that support and enhance
accessibility and user experience for the Digital Libraries. Overall the
position relies on user and project manager feedback to drive improvements.

  
Visualization Skills / Design Process: Experience with some of: Wireframes,
Sketching User Interfaces, Paper Prototyping, Interactive Prototyping,
HTML/CSS/JS Mockups, Photoshop Mockups, Usability Testing

  
Web / Graphic / Interaction Design Skills: Grid systems? Äicss frameworks,
Typography? Äi Especially web fonts, Visual Hierarchy, Style guides?
ÄiFollowing and Creating, Color Theory, Image Optimization

  
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with / interest in CSS preprocessors such as Sass, Compass, or Less,
Familiarity with / interest in Responsive Web Design / Mobile First / CSS
Sprites

  
Languages: Advanced CSS & HTML, Familiarity with / interest in : CSS3, HTML5,
jQuery, PHP (Drupal Themeing), Bonus: Javascript, YUI, MySQL, Mustache, other
Frameworks

  
Visual Design Tools: Photoshop, Illustrator, Fireworks, OmniGraffle etc

  
Technical Tools: Local Web Development (WAMP/XAMP/MAMP or equivalent), Command
Line Navigation Unix/Linux/Mac Os X, SSH SFTP SCP, Version Control, Systems
SVN GIT etc.

  
Qualifications/Required Education: Bachelor's degree

Preferred Education:

  
Required Experience: 3 years of experience in web user interface design and
development and services or equivalent combination of education and
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networking applications

  
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certification, licenses, etc.): Strong, demonstrated experience in Web 2.0
user interface design, development, and deployment using technologies such as
HTML, XHTML, JavaScript (including AJAX), and CSS; knowledge of UI design
methodology and processes such as user-centered design; demonstrated
experience with one or more of the following languages and frameworks:
Java/JSP, Perl CGI, Ruby on Rails, Python, PHP, Ruby; demonstrated experience
with XML and XSLT; experience with search engine optimization; experience with
source code version control; demonstrated experience with UNIX/Linux command
line tools; demonstrated strong analytical and problem solving skills;
excellent interpersonal, communication and collaboration skill; flexibility to
work in a dynamic and evolving area both independently and as part of a
team.

  
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certification, licenses, etc.): Experience in web user interface programming
frameworks such as JQuery, CoffeeScript, Blueprint, SASS, and/or other WebUI
frameworks. Experience with HTML5; experience with web content management
systems, specifically expertise in Drupal Theming and Drupal module
development; expertise in web development frameworks, such as Rails; advanced
Unix/Linux command line interface skills, work experience in an academic
library or research university; knowledge of Library and Academic standards
such as METS, MARC, MODS, OAC, EAD; familiarity with ADA requirements and
methods of achieving compliance; familiarity with web security standards and
methods of achieving compliance; demonstrated experience with distributed
source code version control systems such as Git; demonstrated ability to take
initiative to improve current services offered by the organization and to
document procedures. Relational database experience, preferably MySQL and
Postgres. Experience with webservers such as Apache httpd and Nginx and Java
Servlet containers such as Apache Tomcat.



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Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

[Kevin S. Clarke]

And it's not like there is some limitation to the number of rooms you
can hang out in.  Someone could hang out in #code4lib and
#code4lib-something-else just as easily (perhaps participating in
different ways in the different spaces).  I wouldn't see a second room
as pulling away participants from the first.  Two IRC spaces are
different than two mailing lists, imho.

Kevin


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Karen Coyle  wrote:
> I'm fine with naming it code4lib-learning or whatever. It must be clear that
> it is an area for testing, hanging out, learning (we could even schedule
> learning times to meet there -- following Esme's suggestion of having a time
> at Chicago, and could include folks who aren't at c4l13).
>
> And, as you say, anyone can create any channel they want, and if some folks
> want a channel, there's no reason why they can't have one. You know, it
> might even turn out that there's room for more than one c4l channel, based
> on interests and activities. I honestly don't care if it turns out that men
> are predominantly in one and women are predominantly in the other. The point
> is that people should gather in the space that is most useful to them. My
> interest is in making sure that the under-represented women on the list
> learn enough about the available tools to decide what works for them. If it
> turns out not to be useful it will fade away as all unused social spaces do.
>
> kc
>
>
> On 12/5/12 2:49 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
>>
>> That makes sense, but I predict that if you create such a channel, even if
>> the intention is for training (in recognition that many women are more
>> comfortable training in a single gender environment, as kcoyle says) --
>> people (mainly women people) will end up 'hanging out' in there instead of
>> in #code4lib, resulting in fewer women hanging out in #code4lib.
>>
>> Which I guess you could think is a fine thing, or could think is an
>> unfortunate thing. I agree with royt that it would be an unfortunate thing,
>> for a bunch of different reasons.
>>
>> Of course, like most any other project or venue of code4lib, we don't all
>> need to agree on this, and no approval needs to be had -- if someone wants
>> to create an IRC channel for 'code4lib women' or something, they can do so
>> on freenode.
>>
>> But I agree with royt it'd be unfortunate. If the intent really is just
>> for 'training', then maybe call it #code4lib_learning_irc or something, to
>> try and reduce the chances of it vacuuming women's participation out of main
>> #code4lib, even if that wasn't the original intent.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 4:45 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:
>>>
>>> Roy,
>>>
>>> It wasn't for safety -- it was for training. Some of us haven't spent
>>> much time on IRC -- I never know what to do when I get there -- can't
>>> remember commands, even with a decent GUI. So I was trying to think of
>>> places (e.g. Github, IRC) where we'd like to have more women
>>> participating and how we could give them a chance to learn.* Lots of
>>> people are afraid of making mistakes in front of others, and we know
>>> that women/girls take fewer chances in mixed classrooms. Once they get
>>> adept at the environment they can participate in the group list with
>>> more confidence. Training, mentoring -- it all blends together.
>>>
>>> In fact, I'm thinking that at c4l we could put up some big pieces of
>>> paper (I love the giant post-it paper) and have people make lists of
>>> their favorite tools, hangouts, etc. Then we could use those lists as
>>> ways to figure out what people need to learn to feel more like "part of
>>> the community" and to feel more confident about participating.
>>>
>>> kc
>>> * Look at the list of edits on the anti-harassment policy -- not many
>>> women there. I suspect it's unfamiliarity with Git. If we're going to
>>> use a tool as a community, then I want more women to be familiar with
>>> it. If someone else wants to train men or a coed group, that's fine.
>>>
>>> On 12/5/12 1:35 PM, Roy Tennant wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz 
 wrote:
>
> Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe
> that can
> be a place to start.

 I understand the motivation to create a "safe space" for women, but
 please let's not do this. "Separate but equal" has never been shown to
 make progress toward equality, and I doubt this situation would be any
 different. I believe it would instead make things worse, by
 balkanizing the community rather than encouraging good behavior within
 a unified group. In other words, the solution will never be reached
 without active participation by men.
 Roy
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Karen Coyle
> kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> m: 1-510-435-8234
> skype: kcoylenet