Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
Steve Marks steve.ma...@utoronto.ca This false equivalency gets bandied around quite a lot in academic circles (maybe elsewhere, but I lead a sheltered life). Let me assure you that there is a significant difference between what goes on in a standard pat leave and what goes on in a standard mat leave. Yes, I agree with drawing a line between standard leave and extended career-break child-rearing leave. I didn't mean to suggest a false equivalency so thanks for the help clarifying: the first bit of leave is necessarily different for the mother, for the biological reasons Steve outlines, and this is encoded in English law, 26 weeks of Ordinary Maternity Leave vs 2 weeks of Ordinary Paternity Leave. Extended leave is treated the same in law here, starting with 26 weeks of Additional *aternity Leave and I feel that's probably correct. https://www.gov.uk/maternity-leave https://www.gov.uk/paternityleave So I still suggest that the issues around child-related extended leave are not solely for women. I'm not arguing that there aren't many dads who do a great job of child rearing, but in your average, everyday, heteronormative context, this by default falls to the woman. [...] Probably, and we should not support that default by suggesting such extended-leave issues are only for libtechwomen, should we? Anyway, I hope you don't feel like people are piling on, MJ. I think it's a token of respect that every member of the code4lib community has for each other that folks *are* making the effort to understand and be understood. I sort of both do and don't. I do appreciate that people are making the effort, but I do worry that other minorities are collatoral damage of some vociferous support for this larger-minority single-issue group, that few seem to be supporting a strong anti-discrimination line and that it's not really clear what libtechwomen is yet. Which brings me to an aside on a sidebar: thanks to everyone who has sent private messages of support - mostly for good reasons, as well as a few for reasons I don't agree with :-/ - and sorry for not replying to each of them individually, but please consider posting in public. I understand why some people won't out themselves, especially when it would have far more life-changing consequences than the audio-visual damage I've admitted, but I hope everyone's allowed to express views publicly without prejudice or being challenged as to whether and which minority. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Metrics for measuring digital library production
I also recommend the work done in the UK by Simon Tanner on measuring the impact of digitization projects and programs. There are two publications, one very recent and information about them can be gotten to from Simon's blog: http://simon-tanner.blogspot.com/2012/03/new-approach-to-measuring-impact-for.html Kari Smith Digital Archivist MIT Libraries, Institute Archives and Special Collections -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Kyle Banerjee Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 4:21 PM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: [CODE4LIB] Metrics for measuring digital library production Howdy all, Just wondering who might be willing to share what kind of stats they produce to justify their continued existence? Of course we do the normal (web activity, items and metadata records created, stuff scanned, etc), but I'm trying to wrap my mind around ways to describe work where there's not a built in assumption that more is better. For example, how might work curating a collection or preparing for a migration to a TDB platform be described? Thanks, kyle
Re: [CODE4LIB] Metrics for measuring digital library production
Follow-up ... direct link to the JISC funded research project and report are at: http://www.kdcs.kcl.ac.uk/innovation/inspiring.html Two items to take a look at a. Inspiring Research, Inspiring Scholarship b. Balanced Value Impact Model Kari -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Kari R Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:18 AM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Metrics for measuring digital library production I also recommend the work done in the UK by Simon Tanner on measuring the impact of digitization projects and programs. There are two publications, one very recent and information about them can be gotten to from Simon's blog: http://simon-tanner.blogspot.com/2012/03/new-approach-to-measuring-impact-for.html Kari Smith Digital Archivist MIT Libraries, Institute Archives and Special Collections -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Kyle Banerjee Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 4:21 PM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: [CODE4LIB] Metrics for measuring digital library production Howdy all, Just wondering who might be willing to share what kind of stats they produce to justify their continued existence? Of course we do the normal (web activity, items and metadata records created, stuff scanned, etc), but I'm trying to wrap my mind around ways to describe work where there's not a built in assumption that more is better. For example, how might work curating a collection or preparing for a migration to a TDB platform be described? Thanks, kyle
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
Hi MJ All, On 12/18/2012 4:42 AM, MJ Ray wrote: I sort of both do and don't. I do appreciate that people are making the effort, but I do worry that other minorities are collatoral damage of some vociferous support for this larger-minority single-issue group, that few seem to be supporting a strong anti-discrimination line and that it's not really clear what libtechwomen is yet. Everyone is definitely welcome to his/her own opinion. None of us are taking any offense to anyone expressing an opinion. By all means, it should be encouraged! However, I think some/many are taking offense to the implication that 'libtechwomen' is discriminatory or prejudice against men or minority groups just because its name includes women. That sort of implication would be the same as stating that code4lib is discriminatory or prejudice against non-coders or folks who don't work in libraries. Neither of these is true. Neither group is actively discriminating against anyone else, and I believe that both code4lib libtechwomen are attempting to be as inclusive as possible. MJ, I definitely agree with you that other minorities (AVI folks or whomever) should be allowed/encouraged to have similar support groups (and perhaps a more general code4libsupport group could be of use). The existence of a libtechwomen group doesn't disenfranchise others from creating similar support groups, or even just joining libtechwomen and talking with them about other minority issues (which I'm sure they'd welcome). In fact, the existence of one such support group should encourage others to create additional support groups. Each minority faces issues that are unique to their group. Women face their own unique issues in the technology landscape. AVI people also face their own unique issues in the technology landscape. It is true that there are surely common issues faced by multiple minority groups. But that doesn't mean that all minority issues for all minority groups must be discussed in a single support group. To call a group discriminatory just because they initially planned to concentrate on specific gender issues is just wrong (in my opinion). #libtechwomen is a support group, who's primary focus just happens to be gender issues in the library technology field. libtechwomen is actually not even entirely a sub-group of code4lib, but seems to be fashioning itself as a general support group across other library technology groups as well. It's not trying to block other minority issues from being discussed, or turn away other minority groups or even majority groups (men). If you want to discover for yourself, go take a look around at what has already begun with #libtechwomen. They are easy to find out there on the web: Twitter: https://twitter.com/libtechwomen IRC: #libtechwomen on irc.freenode.net Website: http://libtechwomen.tumblr.com/ Honestly, if others out there in the code4lib world see the need for other support groups, I'd encourage you to speak out help make it happen! Reach out on this list and see if others want to join you in a new support group. It can be as simple as creating a new IRC channel or similar. I think you'll find the code4lib community to be supportive in such ventures. I've always found this community to be surprisingly supportive as a whole. I think that's all I have to say on this matter. :) - Tim -- Tim Donohue Technical Lead for DSpace Project DuraSpace.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
Tim Donohue tdono...@duraspace.org However, I think some/many are taking offense to the implication that 'libtechwomen' is discriminatory or prejudice against men or minority groups just because its name includes women. [...] To call a group discriminatory just because they initially planned to concentrate on specific gender issues is just wrong (in my opinion). Whoa! Hang on a minute! I don't think the name is great and I feel that we could do better for a first support group, but I'm not objecting to either of those. It's not just because either of those and it's rather frustrating if anyone still thinks it is. (Similarly in the other email from Steve, I never meant to suggest the completely spurious thing.) My objection arose because the opening post in this thread suggested it would be discriminatory: https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1212L=CODE4LIBF=S=P=166649 described it as a group for just women. There are later emails which claim otherwise. twitter.com/libtechwomen and http://libtechwomen.tumblr.com/ don't say either way, as far as I can see (if you'll excuse the pun). I don't really want to hop on IRC and ask because of past bad experiences with a previous group. Is there clarity that deliberately-discriminatory groups should have no platform in code4lib? And is it sure that libtechwomen is not the aforementioned women-only group? Thanks -- MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop Setchey, Norfolk, England
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
On 12/18/2012 12:27 PM, MJ Ray wrote: Is there clarity that deliberately-discriminatory groups should have no platform in code4lib? If what you mean is if everyone agrees with you that a group created for women in tech is bad, then, no, pretty much nobody else here agrees with you. I am not sure if I'd call such a group deliberately discriminatory, nor am I sure what qualifies as platform in code4lib, but for what you're really getting at, no, there is no clarity there, pretty much nobody else agrees with you there.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
On 12/18/12 7:51 AM, Tim Donohue wrote: It's not trying to block other minority issues from being discussed, or turn away other minority groups or even majority groups (men). I want to thank everyone for being so thoughtful in this discussion. I do, however, want to make one factual point: women, per se, are not a minority. In fact, in the general population, we are a slight majority. [1] In libraries, of course, we are by far the majority. We are the minority in technology in general. It is NOT clear to me (yet) that we are an actual minority in library technology -- we simply do not know unless we do a count. It may be that male dominance in that area is an assumption rather than a fact. I say this as someone who worked in a library technology project that, over 20 years, was from 2/3 to 3/4 female, yet the men were considered techies and the women were... just there, even though they were coding and being DBAs, etc. We see what we have trained our eyes and minds to see (all of us, not just men). The study that Rosalyn did showed that women are less likely to consider themselves part of c4l than men, and I would bet that many do not consider themselves as techie as men in their environment. Note also there was a somewhat strong reaction to the statistic of 42% female (which we still cannot confirm or disprove) because it was unexpected. What if, just what if, there are more women in this field than we've thought? Knowing that women are not a minority actually makes the entire woman question more difficult because it requires one to think about inequality, not numbers. Inequality is the actual issue with many if not all of the groups that we refer to as minorities. Note that in many countries, the ruling group is statistically a minority, and the less equal group is in the majority. (And we may get there by 2060 if the population predictions are correct.) In summary, it's just not a numbers question. It's something much harder than that. kc [1] http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf (49.1 male/50.9 female, most recent US census) If you want to discover for yourself, go take a look around at what has already begun with #libtechwomen. They are easy to find out there on the web: Twitter: https://twitter.com/libtechwomen IRC: #libtechwomen on irc.freenode.net Website: http://libtechwomen.tumblr.com/ Honestly, if others out there in the code4lib world see the need for other support groups, I'd encourage you to speak out help make it happen! Reach out on this list and see if others want to join you in a new support group. It can be as simple as creating a new IRC channel or similar. I think you'll find the code4lib community to be supportive in such ventures. I've always found this community to be surprisingly supportive as a whole. I think that's all I have to say on this matter. :) - Tim -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
I believe the problem is that you somehow read that initial post proposing the IRC group as saying it would be exclusively for women. As far as I can tell, no one else read it that way. If that is your only concern, I believe you can be reassured. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of MJ Ray Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:28 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea Tim Donohue tdono...@duraspace.org However, I think some/many are taking offense to the implication that 'libtechwomen' is discriminatory or prejudice against men or minority groups just because its name includes women. [...] To call a group discriminatory just because they initially planned to concentrate on specific gender issues is just wrong (in my opinion). Whoa! Hang on a minute! I don't think the name is great and I feel that we could do better for a first support group, but I'm not objecting to either of those. It's not just because either of those and it's rather frustrating if anyone still thinks it is. (Similarly in the other email from Steve, I never meant to suggest the completely spurious thing.) My objection arose because the opening post in this thread suggested it would be discriminatory: https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi- bin/wa?A2=ind1212L=CODE4LIBF=S=P=166649 described it as a group for just women. There are later emails which claim otherwise. twitter.com/libtechwomen and http://libtechwomen.tumblr.com/ don't say either way, as far as I can see (if you'll excuse the pun). I don't really want to hop on IRC and ask because of past bad experiences with a previous group. Is there clarity that deliberately-discriminatory groups should have no platform in code4lib? And is it sure that libtechwomen is not the aforementioned women-only group? Thanks -- MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop Setchey, Norfolk, England
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[CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
+1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
+1 OSU edsu++ @swill edsu -nruest On 12-12-18 04:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: +1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
++ On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Nick Ruest rue...@gmail.com wrote: +1 OSU edsu++ @swill edsu -nruest On 12-12-18 04:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: +1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
+1 for the plan edsu++ for domain stewardship. Peter On Dec 18, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed -- Peter Murray Assistant Director, Technology Services Development LYRASIS peter.mur...@lyrasis.org +1 678-235-2955 1438 West Peachtree Street NW Suite 200 Atlanta, GA 30309 Toll Free: 800.999.8558 Fax: 404.892.7879 www.lyrasis.org LYRASIS: Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers.
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
I'm for individual ownership and management over organizational. Organizations tend to not have written documentation, and to rely on institutional memory. I see two things going wrong: Contact at OSU leaves OSU and no one thinks to renew domain, or OSU doesn't have a dedicated contact and at some point they don't renew because they don't see the value. Also important: OSU is on state funding cycles, so may have some rule against renewing for more than a year at a time. So, the deadline to renew will come more frequently than it would with unrestricted funds and the ability to renew for 5 or 10 years at a time. When the domain expires, it will go into a redemption period of about a month. I remember what the whois record looks like for domains in the redemption period, and whois does give the contact information. Does the URL stop working during this period? If so, then that's great because if there is a problem with a renewal then many people will notice the URL not working, and be able to check the status of the domain and get on it. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
I definitely see what you're saying, but think there are pro's and con's both ways. OSU is already responsible for the bulk of our infrastructure too, adding the DNS would be minor. But there are definitely pro's (as well as con's) to individual and/or non-institutional ownership/responsibility/management, compared to institutional. In the end, as with much Code4Lib, as with much volunteer projects -- what it comes down to is who's offering to volunteer to do it. OSU is offering to volunteer to do it (and pay for it, apparently?), and we obviously find OSU to be generally responsible, since they host the rest of our infrastructure. Someone offering to do it right now, someone we find generally responsible -- always beats the hypothetical other solution that has nobody actually volunteering to do it. So, Wilhelmina, are you volunteering to run the DNS instead? :) (and pay for it, or fundraise to pay for it) If you are, then we might have two options. Otherwise, we've got one, and no reason to reject it unless we thought OSU was not trustworthy with the responsibility or something (which if we did, would be a big problem, since they already responsible for a lot more than that). On 12/18/2012 4:34 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: I'm for individual ownership and management over organizational. Organizations tend to not have written documentation, and to rely on institutional memory. I see two things going wrong: Contact at OSU leaves OSU and no one thinks to renew domain, or OSU doesn't have a dedicated contact and at some point they don't renew because they don't see the value. Also important: OSU is on state funding cycles, so may have some rule against renewing for more than a year at a time. So, the deadline to renew will come more frequently than it would with unrestricted funds and the ability to renew for 5 or 10 years at a time. When the domain expires, it will go into a redemption period of about a month. I remember what the whois record looks like for domains in the redemption period, and whois does give the contact information. Does the URL stop working during this period? If so, then that's great because if there is a problem with a renewal then many people will notice the URL not working, and be able to check the status of the domain and get on it. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
Pay for it shouldn't be an issue. It's like $10 a year to register the domain, right? So, don't make a big deal out of OSU paying for it. The fee is negligible. The key concern is how committed to OSU is Ryan Ordway, and what's the climate there like. I see this as transferring to the people who are currently technical contacts at OSU, not to a faceless organization. If they already hold several other URLs, and have a policy and timeframe for tracking and renewing these then that's a plus. Also, I asked before, and I'm going to ask again, will the domain stop working (so stop pointing at nameservers) during the redemption period? If so, then a worst case scenario is not too bad, because there will be some warning and a late fee assuming the registered owner can be contacted, rather than just loosing the domain if the bill isn't paid. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I definitely see what you're saying, but think there are pro's and con's both ways. OSU is already responsible for the bulk of our infrastructure too, adding the DNS would be minor. But there are definitely pro's (as well as con's) to individual and/or non-institutional ownership/responsibility/**management, compared to institutional. In the end, as with much Code4Lib, as with much volunteer projects -- what it comes down to is who's offering to volunteer to do it. OSU is offering to volunteer to do it (and pay for it, apparently?), and we obviously find OSU to be generally responsible, since they host the rest of our infrastructure. Someone offering to do it right now, someone we find generally responsible -- always beats the hypothetical other solution that has nobody actually volunteering to do it. So, Wilhelmina, are you volunteering to run the DNS instead? :) (and pay for it, or fundraise to pay for it) If you are, then we might have two options. Otherwise, we've got one, and no reason to reject it unless we thought OSU was not trustworthy with the responsibility or something (which if we did, would be a big problem, since they already responsible for a lot more than that). On 12/18/2012 4:34 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: I'm for individual ownership and management over organizational. Organizations tend to not have written documentation, and to rely on institutional memory. I see two things going wrong: Contact at OSU leaves OSU and no one thinks to renew domain, or OSU doesn't have a dedicated contact and at some point they don't renew because they don't see the value. Also important: OSU is on state funding cycles, so may have some rule against renewing for more than a year at a time. So, the deadline to renew will come more frequently than it would with unrestricted funds and the ability to renew for 5 or 10 years at a time. When the domain expires, it will go into a redemption period of about a month. I remember what the whois record looks like for domains in the redemption period, and whois does give the contact information. Does the URL stop working during this period? If so, then that's great because if there is a problem with a renewal then many people will notice the URL not working, and be able to check the status of the domain and get on it. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
Wilhelmina, To answer your two questions. 1) yes, during the 30 day expiration period when registration lapses your site will typically become unavailable 2) this isn't just about one person at OSU. Ryan Ordway is our sys admin, but c4l is supported by a number of folks at the institution in various capacities...up to the director. Were Ryan to leave, the process for maintaining the infrastructure would simply fall to someone else at the Library. Tr * Terry Reese, Associate Professor Gray Family Chair for Innovative Library Services 121 Valley Library Corvallis, OR 97331 541.737.6384 From: Wilhelmina Randtke Sent: 12/18/2012 2:00 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain Pay for it shouldn't be an issue. It's like $10 a year to register the domain, right? So, don't make a big deal out of OSU paying for it. The fee is negligible. The key concern is how committed to OSU is Ryan Ordway, and what's the climate there like. I see this as transferring to the people who are currently technical contacts at OSU, not to a faceless organization. If they already hold several other URLs, and have a policy and timeframe for tracking and renewing these then that's a plus. Also, I asked before, and I'm going to ask again, will the domain stop working (so stop pointing at nameservers) during the redemption period? If so, then a worst case scenario is not too bad, because there will be some warning and a late fee assuming the registered owner can be contacted, rather than just loosing the domain if the bill isn't paid. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I definitely see what you're saying, but think there are pro's and con's both ways. OSU is already responsible for the bulk of our infrastructure too, adding the DNS would be minor. But there are definitely pro's (as well as con's) to individual and/or non-institutional ownership/responsibility/**management, compared to institutional. In the end, as with much Code4Lib, as with much volunteer projects -- what it comes down to is who's offering to volunteer to do it. OSU is offering to volunteer to do it (and pay for it, apparently?), and we obviously find OSU to be generally responsible, since they host the rest of our infrastructure. Someone offering to do it right now, someone we find generally responsible -- always beats the hypothetical other solution that has nobody actually volunteering to do it. So, Wilhelmina, are you volunteering to run the DNS instead? :) (and pay for it, or fundraise to pay for it) If you are, then we might have two options. Otherwise, we've got one, and no reason to reject it unless we thought OSU was not trustworthy with the responsibility or something (which if we did, would be a big problem, since they already responsible for a lot more than that). On 12/18/2012 4:34 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: I'm for individual ownership and management over organizational. Organizations tend to not have written documentation, and to rely on institutional memory. I see two things going wrong: Contact at OSU leaves OSU and no one thinks to renew domain, or OSU doesn't have a dedicated contact and at some point they don't renew because they don't see the value. Also important: OSU is on state funding cycles, so may have some rule against renewing for more than a year at a time. So, the deadline to renew will come more frequently than it would with unrestricted funds and the ability to renew for 5 or 10 years at a time. When the domain expires, it will go into a redemption period of about a month. I remember what the whois record looks like for domains in the redemption period, and whois does give the contact information. Does the URL stop working during this period? If so, then that's great because if there is a problem with a renewal then many people will notice the URL not working, and be able to check the status of the domain and get on it. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke rand...@gmail.com wrote: Pay for it shouldn't be an issue. It's like $10 a year to register the domain, right? So, don't make a big deal out of OSU paying for it. The fee is negligible. Yes, it's not so much a matter of money as it is remembering to pay it :-) The key concern is how committed to OSU is Ryan Ordway, and what's the climate there like. I see this as transferring to the people who are currently technical contacts at OSU, not to a faceless organization. If they already hold several other URLs, and have a policy and timeframe for tracking and renewing these then that's a plus. OSU is committed enough to have a Domain Name Committee to evaluate these matters, which accepted the proposal to host code4lib.org. The first code4lib conference was held at OSU, and there are several active long time OSU folks who have helped create the code4lib community...so it's not as if there's no connection between the organization and this community. I am not disagreeing with your assessment about individual vs organizational ownership. But I am saying I don't want to be that individual anymore, and that OSU is the best option for not letting the domain lapse. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
+1 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Nick Ruest Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain +1 OSU edsu++ @swill edsu -nruest On 12-12-18 04:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: +1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
Salvete! because they can't find an SO are outliers. C4l is a tech event. Do women really get treated that shabbily there? I'm guessing this is a yes, since several brave folks have indicated it. It doesn't mean that *you* are an offender, but it's clearly happening, or at least known to have happened in past. Cheers, Brooke
[CODE4LIB] Chrome browser preserves wrong text box on back button
Okay, this problem is hard to explain. Let's say I have a search box, with results under it. I enter Monkey in the search box, I hit search, I get a new page with results for Monkey, and the word Monkey pre-filled in the search box (using input value=Monkey) in the HTML. I decide I'm not happy with this search, I change the words in the search box to Baboon, and I hit the submit button again. Then I press the browser back button to go back to Monkey. Now I'm looking at a page that has results for Monkey, has an input with default value=Monkey -- but where Chrome has 'helpfully' filled the textbox in with Baboon instead, trying to help by 'remembering' what I had entered there when I was first looking at the page and pressed submit. This is not helpful. I am not sure if other browsers will do this too. Does anyone know any way to get the browser to NOT do this? If you understand what I'm talking about? (autocomplete=false does not seem to have an effect).
Re: [CODE4LIB] Chrome browser preserves wrong text box on back button
You know how you figure out the answer right after you write out the question? autocomplete=false didn't work, because that's not the proper value. autocomplete=off does work. While also of course disabling actual auto-complete, which may or may not be helpful, but at least it keeps Chrome from doing this weird thing where it remembers your entry on browser back button when it ought not to. On 12/18/2012 6:48 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Okay, this problem is hard to explain. Let's say I have a search box, with results under it. I enter Monkey in the search box, I hit search, I get a new page with results for Monkey, and the word Monkey pre-filled in the search box (using input value=Monkey) in the HTML. I decide I'm not happy with this search, I change the words in the search box to Baboon, and I hit the submit button again. Then I press the browser back button to go back to Monkey. Now I'm looking at a page that has results for Monkey, has an input with default value=Monkey -- but where Chrome has 'helpfully' filled the textbox in with Baboon instead, trying to help by 'remembering' what I had entered there when I was first looking at the page and pressed submit. This is not helpful. I am not sure if other browsers will do this too. Does anyone know any way to get the browser to NOT do this? If you understand what I'm talking about? (autocomplete=false does not seem to have an effect).
Re: [CODE4LIB] Thoughts on Digital Library Trends
Thanks everyone, this helps. I will certainly take more input anyone else has for the next few weeks if anyone else has thoughts add, problems they see one the horizon. I know I am curious how we in the digital library corner can deal with mobile devices but I have not seen much talking about that problem. Still, thanks again for the input. On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: All, The link I shared is now accessible for anyone to view. Since I have never made a mistake, I blame Google for this. -Mike On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: Hi Matt, I gave a related talk in late 2009 -- with an emphasis on the repository/digital content side of the house -- and many of the slides are still relevant. Use as much or as little is helpful to you. (FWIW, I was hired for the position.) https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/15mhwNfm-Ixv43uM5-68fAPIrxzy_BAPLWaVsLK6yp5w/present#slide=id.i0 Good luck with the interview! Look forward to seeing you in the trenches. -Mike On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Matthew Sherman matt.r.sher...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all Code4Lib folk, I am putting together a small presentation with the topic about trends and issues in digital libraries for an interview next month. While I am doing quite a bit of searching and reading on my own, I wanted to see if any of you would be willing to provide your thoughts on what you see as emerging trends and issues in digital library, particularly as they deal with our ability to serve our users. I think it would be helpful to have insight from those currently in the trenches. Also this topic could be of interest to others in the listserv. Any thoughts are welcome and appreciated. Matt Sherman
[CODE4LIB] Stats and public wireless devices
I know this is more of a hardware question than a code question but I suspect that a few of the folks that have other systems roles might be able to steer me in the right direction. We're looking to replace the public wifi in the library, by itself nothing remarkable. The key requirement after reliable connectivity, is the ability to produce some level of statistics relative to usage. (I know: lies, damned lies and usage statistics). We don't run a proxy or any other system that the public need a login to use. I expect a fair number of connections that would just be staff walking in with a smart phone or other device. After the laughter subsides, any thoughts as to a suitable device? Walter
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
So far some brave folks have indeed indicated that, but without specifying any particular incidents. It seems to me it might be helpful if the actual incidents were related in some anonymous way (perhaps anonymous both to reporter and to 'offenders' involved)... because if the rest of us knew what was going on, we could be more alert to seeing it and stopping it (including possibly observing such behavior in ourselves and stopping ourselves for doing it, now that we realize how hurtful it can be). I realize some people have related incidents that happened at places other than code4lib, and perhaps that ought to be sufficient, but, clearly, many of us can think Oh, but that probably doens't happen at Code4Lib, even if it does. I also realize that this can quickly turn into a giant mess, which is why I'd suggest that any such stories be very vague and entirely anonymous as to all parties involved, to make this not a tribunal about particular incidents but just information sharing about Here are some things that have happened at code4lib related to gendery stuff, that made some people uncomfortable, just so you know what we're talking about. There doesn't need to be ANY discussion of the issues, and I think probably best if there isn't actually. But honestly, I've been scratching my head since Bess first brought this up, and Bess mentioned that harrasment-y incidents have happened at code4lib, and I'm thinking Really? I haven't heard of them or seen them. Am I just really unobservant? Or am I seeing things but not realizing they are offensive? Or what? I think it would be helpful to all of us wanting to stop such things from happening to know a _bit_ more specifically what sorts of things have happened. Is this a good idea, or just a disaster trainwreck lying in wait? If it's a good idea, we could easily set up a wiki page where people can easily anonymously describe incidents (again, what I'm going for is NOT calling specific people out, but just giving us an idea of what it is that has happened that we're trying to stop from happening, you know?) On 12/18/2012 6:41 PM, BWS Johnson wrote: Salvete! because they can't find an SO are outliers. C4l is a tech event. Do women really get treated that shabbily there? I'm guessing this is a yes, since several brave folks have indicated it. It doesn't mean that *you* are an offender, but it's clearly happening, or at least known to have happened in past. Cheers, Brooke
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
Much better to do it that way than on the list, IMHO. Then the list can get back to code :) It's possible that the ratio of idiots at a code4lib function is comparable to the ratio of idiots anywhere else (e.g., an ALA conference or SAA function or, heck, your basic office party). In that case, I submit that no special method of attack or treatment is required -- just the same approach used when one encounter jerks in any other area of one's life. Michele From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind [rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:14 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea ...Is this a good idea, or just a disaster trainwreck lying in wait? If it's a good idea, we could easily set up a wiki page where people can easily anonymously describe incidents (again, what I'm going for is NOT calling specific people out, but just giving us an idea of what it is that has happened that we're trying to stop from happening, you know?)...
Re: [CODE4LIB] Stats and public wireless devices
We use a captive portal (FirstSearch by Patronsoft: http://patronsoft.com/firstspot/) but we don't require a login. We do require clicking an Agree button on our terms of use. Genny Engel Sonoma County Library gen...@sonoma.lib.ca.us 707 545-0831 x1581 www.sonomalibrary.org -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:11 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Stats and public wireless devices I know this is more of a hardware question than a code question but I suspect that a few of the folks that have other systems roles might be able to steer me in the right direction. We're looking to replace the public wifi in the library, by itself nothing remarkable. The key requirement after reliable connectivity, is the ability to produce some level of statistics relative to usage. (I know: lies, damned lies and usage statistics). We don't run a proxy or any other system that the public need a login to use. I expect a fair number of connections that would just be staff walking in with a smart phone or other device. After the laughter subsides, any thoughts as to a suitable device? Walter
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
I am not aware of any recent egregious issues and I don't think code4lib is a hotbed of misogynist behavior, certainly not compared to more mainstream tech conferences or something notorious like DefCon. Having a policy in place (which was my only request in that original email, and which we now have, yay!) is a good idea regardless of whether any individual incident in the past meets anyone's individual criteria for harassment. It protects conference organizers legally, it gives us an agreed upon way to respond if incidents do arise, and having such a policy is a proven way to make conferences more welcoming to women and gender minorities. I am not comfortable discussing my individual experience in public more than I already have. I have acted as a lightning rod for these kinds of discussions in the past and I am not interested in playing that role again. I am not comfortable discussing specific incidents that have been related to me in confidence, and I am REALLY not interested in rehashing more public incidents, I think that would be a train wreck. As for what has happened that we're trying to address: Sometimes people make thougtless jokes. Sometimes people say alienating things without meaning to. Sometimes people do things they might later wish they hadn't done, because they were drunk, or having a good time, or never knew a certain word carried a certain connotation for some people. These things are not really news-worthy individually. I would prefer instead to put energy into knowing how to respond to problematic behavior in the moment, how to discuss questions of privilege and inclusiveness without creating hostility, and how to make library technology more inclusive in general. Bess On Dec 18, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Michele R Combs mrrot...@syr.edu wrote: Much better to do it that way than on the list, IMHO. Then the list can get back to code :) It's possible that the ratio of idiots at a code4lib function is comparable to the ratio of idiots anywhere else (e.g., an ALA conference or SAA function or, heck, your basic office party). In that case, I submit that no special method of attack or treatment is required -- just the same approach used when one encounter jerks in any other area of one's life. Michele From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind [rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:14 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea ...Is this a good idea, or just a disaster trainwreck lying in wait? If it's a good idea, we could easily set up a wiki page where people can easily anonymously describe incidents (again, what I'm going for is NOT calling specific people out, but just giving us an idea of what it is that has happened that we're trying to stop from happening, you know?)...
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea
+1 #everything that bess said On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com wrote: I am not aware of any recent egregious issues and I don't think code4lib is a hotbed of misogynist behavior, certainly not compared to more mainstream tech conferences or something notorious like DefCon. Having a policy in place (which was my only request in that original email, and which we now have, yay!) is a good idea regardless of whether any individual incident in the past meets anyone's individual criteria for harassment. It protects conference organizers legally, it gives us an agreed upon way to respond if incidents do arise, and having such a policy is a proven way to make conferences more welcoming to women and gender minorities. I am not comfortable discussing my individual experience in public more than I already have. I have acted as a lightning rod for these kinds of discussions in the past and I am not interested in playing that role again. I am not comfortable discussing specific incidents that have been related to me in confidence, and I am REALLY not interested in rehashing more public incidents, I think that would be a train wreck. As for what has happened that we're trying to address: Sometimes people make thougtless jokes. Sometimes people say alienating things without meaning to. Sometimes people do things they might later wish they hadn't done, because they were drunk, or having a good time, or never knew a certain word carried a certain connotation for some people. These things are not really news-worthy individually. I would prefer instead to put energy into knowing how to respond to problematic behavior in the moment, how to discuss questions of privilege and inclusiveness without creating hostility, and how to make library technology more inclusive in general. Bess On Dec 18, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Michele R Combs mrrot...@syr.edu wrote: Much better to do it that way than on the list, IMHO. Then the list can get back to code :) It's possible that the ratio of idiots at a code4lib function is comparable to the ratio of idiots anywhere else (e.g., an ALA conference or SAA function or, heck, your basic office party). In that case, I submit that no special method of attack or treatment is required -- just the same approach used when one encounter jerks in any other area of one's life. Michele From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind [rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:14 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea ...Is this a good idea, or just a disaster trainwreck lying in wait? If it's a good idea, we could easily set up a wiki page where people can easily anonymously describe incidents (again, what I'm going for is NOT calling specific people out, but just giving us an idea of what it is that has happened that we're trying to stop from happening, you know?)...
Re: [CODE4LIB] Stats and public wireless devices
Folks in my network have used BlueSocket, but we don't keep stats. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Walter Lewis wltrle...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is more of a hardware question than a code question but I suspect that a few of the folks that have other systems roles might be able to steer me in the right direction. We're looking to replace the public wifi in the library, by itself nothing remarkable. The key requirement after reliable connectivity, is the ability to produce some level of statistics relative to usage. (I know: lies, damned lies and usage statistics). We don't run a proxy or any other system that the public need a login to use. I expect a fair number of connections that would just be staff walking in with a smart phone or other device. After the laughter subsides, any thoughts as to a suitable device? Walter -- Matt Amory (917) 771-4157 matt.am...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matt-amory/8/515/239
