Re: [CODE4LIB] Randy Fischer....................................VACATION MISFORTUNE
But look at the library advocacy opportunity: he's writing from a library cafe! Karen G. Schneider Sent from my iPad On Jun 17, 2011, at 6:49 AM, Janet Stewart jstew...@shawnee.edu wrote: Thomas, Could you please let me know when your Nigerian oil money comes through. From one Ohioan to another. Janet Stewart -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Dowling Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 9:39 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Randy FischerVACATION MISFORTUNE Won't we feel like heels if it turns out, this one time, a guy really got mugged and stranded in London. I'd offer to help, but until my Nigerian oil money comes through, I'm strapped. On 06/17/2011 09:28 AM, Carol Bean wrote: Sooo, Another account hacked... On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Randy Fischer randy.fisc...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, This message may be coming to you as a surprise but I need your help.Few days back we made an unannounced vacation trip to London,UK .Everything was going fine until last night when we were mugged on our way back to the hotel.They Stole all our cash,credit cards and cellphone but thank God we still have our lives and passport.Another shocking is that the hotel manager has been unhelpful to us for reasons i don't know. I'm writing you from a local library cybercafe..I've reported to the police and after writing down some statements that's the last i had from them.i contacted the consulate and all i keep hearing is they will get back to me. i need your help ..i need you to help me out with a loan to settle my bills here so we can get back home, our return flight leaves soon. I'll refund the money as soon as i get back. All i need is $1,650 ..Let me know if you can get me the money then I tell you how to get it to me. I'm freaked out at the moment Randy
Re: [CODE4LIB] AquaBrowser Libraries Group
Actually, I didn't think the observations about the Aquabrowser mailing list were snarky, and I think the comments were interesting and list-appropriate. It's great that Aquabrowser will have a community list--that will only help its users/implementors/customers. But once a mailing list is closed to licensed users, you have then defined one of the limitations of proprietary software and a strategic advantage of open source. (Though a limitation that a proprietary-software vendor can easily finesse, as described below.) Some of the reasons for limiting the list do not hold water. In an NDA environment, few people will get granular and frank on an internal list, for the same reason that if they have privacy concerns they won't post to a closed list: there's no such thing as private email. If you're in the witness protection program, do not, I repeat do NOT post to the Aquabrowser internal list. I don't even believe that this list could offer enough discretion to warrant posts that the posters want to keep moderately private. If I were contemplating a move from Vendor X, or had serious issues I didn't want Vendor X to know about, I would do what lawyers recommend, and which I have put into practice, which is not write what I can share by phone, not share by phone what I can share face-to-face, and not say what I can convey with a gesture. (With some vendors that gesture might be NSFW, but I digress...) Is there anyone among us who has never seen an email message go where it was not intended to wander? As for winnowing the cruft, yes, that is the value of lists, but Edward, despite other sound observations, has it a wee backwards. Lists for Koha and Evergreen, and for that matter all open source projects I know of, big and small, are open to anyone and are self-policing with respect to topic discipline. It is the subscriber, not a list manager, who decides if he or she wishes to participate (passively or actively) in list communications. The lists may have very active participation from vendors, but the Koha and Evergreen lists are not vendor-driven (and the communities wouldn't let them get away with that anyway). The *advantages* to having an open list are worth considering for their strategic value not only to a software community but also to the vendors. First, you remove any confusion about the list's privacy. Things that should not be shared by email, will not be shared by email. Second, you open the list to potential users/customers. I think some vendors fear their underwear showing, but if you've got a good product people understand it will have issues, and happy users, even when they are discussing a product's issues, are the software's best salespeople. The community itself can also be as broad as it needs to be. These days, a growing number of companies have very intentional strategies for transparency and openness. The Aquabrowser mailing list is a very welcome addition to the world of library communications, and it will help make a good product better. I am not losing any sleep over the decision to keep this list closed... I don't use the product, and in the end, I don't care that much. That said, it's my professional assessment that closing this list to licensed subscribers is a strategic error. Karen G. Schneider On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:03 +, Chris Keene c.j.ke...@sussex.ac.uk wrote: Hi I just want to backup Edward's comments. I'm happy to discuss just about anything openly, though it is useful to have product specific lists, and yes at times useful to know that certain vendors or third party salesmen are not going to contact you as a result of posting. Aquabrowser has many good points, but has lacked any sort of community, add to this the very limited documentation - which could lead to confusion as to what is a feature and what is a bespoke addition that another site has commissioned/developed. I even tried asking on the Aquabrowser Facebook fan page discussion board - its only post! This mailing list is a very welcome addition. Chris On 22/10/2009 15:45, Edward M. Corrado wrote: I don't see this as an interesting difference at all. Almost all [larger] vendor-supplied products in the library world have their own discussion lists that are limited to people that use/license their products. We even see this with Open Source products such as Koha. Although I do not use AquaBrowser, unlike almost all other library specific-software of this magnitude I understand that AquaBrowser does not have a user group (formal or informal). There currently is very few ways (no way?) for users of this product to converse with each other and share ideas. There are numerous reasons for wanting to share information on a closed list that can range from not wanting to spam a larger community with a how do activate a widget in product A to asking questions/sharing information that for whatever reason you don't want to or can't share with the
Re: [CODE4LIB] Last day to nominate a keynote for C4L2010!
...Today is the last day to nominate/defend/decry nominees for Code4Lib2010 in Asheville... Is it pointless to nominate Tim O'Reilly? Tim No; all he can say is no, and he might be flattered to be asked. Karen G. Schneider
Re: [CODE4LIB] Durability of PDFs
In one of my alternative incarnations, I am a zoological taxonomist. One of the big issues for taxonomy right now is whether to accept as nomenclaturally valid papers that are published only in electronic form, i.e. not printed on paper by a publisher. In a discussion of this matter, a colleague has claimed [PDF files will not become unreadable] in the next 30-40 years. Possibly not in the 20 years that will follow. After that, when only 30-year and older documents are in the PDF format, the danger will increase that this information will not be readable any more. It is generally considered as quite unlikely that PDF will be readable in 100 years. Setting aside the paper/electronic argument, in terms of canonical files for documents intended for long-term preservation, PDF seems a very weak choice. Whether or not the actual files will last 100 years (I assume that we mean that they won't degrade to the point of nonreadability), using a proprietary binary format that doesn't readily convert to other formats seems a poor choice. Why not have the documents be sourced in one of the XML-based formats such as DocBook or DITA (well-documented, open, text-based, single-source publication formats)? Then you can have your PDF and preserve it too. (Donning tinfoil hat) You could even produce a handful of paper-based documents and hide them in caves around the world. Karen G. Schneider
[CODE4LIB] Evergreen conference Early Bird deadline
If you are planning to attend the Evergreen International Conference (May 20-22, Athens, Georgia), please note that Early Bird registration ends tomorrow, Friday, April 3. Also note the NEW conference web address: http://www.lyrasis.org/evergreen We have 18 great programs lined up and two great keynote speakers (Joe Lucia and Jessamyn West), plus many opportunities for user-directed activities: lightning talks, table talks, dine-arounds, and hackfest (or anythingfest) time. Athens is a lovely venue (home of 2007 Code4Lib) with nice restaurants and pubs. See the program lineup and more at the conference wiki: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=eg09:main Evergreen International Conference 2009 is jointly sponsored by Georgia Public Library Service, LYRASIS, and Equinox Software, Inc. Hope to see you there! Karen G. Schneider Community Librarian Equinox Software, Inc. The Evergreen Experts http://esilibrary.com k...@esilibrary.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib mugs?
A green travel mug, announced in advance, would be nice and would make a great green statement. By travel mug, I assume we mean with a lid and nonbreakable. (The nonbreakable part is as much for Talis as for C4L... way back in another job I once inherited boxes and boxes of ceramic mugs, which were fragile as well as expensive to ship. Boo.) Some SWAG companies are even selling SWAG made from recycled materials. I'm a big believer in greening the SWAG... and though I love the teeshirts, mine is only suitable for me as a nighty. Karen G. Schneider
Re: [CODE4LIB] creating call number browse
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:39:46 -0500, Nate Vack [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Naomi Dushay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. The user is not broken. Our faculty are very vocal in desiring a virtual shelf list that will allow them to, given a specific item, look for closely located items. Call numbers have facilitated co-location of (some) related physical materials, which facilitates a browsing experience that users enjoy. Maybe it's nostalgia, maybe it's something else ... but they enjoy it and find it useful. They are used to call numbers, and by god, they want call numbers. Who are we to naysay? I don't mean to naysay -- I just suspect that what what people think of when shelf browsing -- namely, the big set of books arranged in LC order -- may not be the part of the experience that makes shelf browsing so special. One of the more interesting anecdotes from the Evergreen front lines I heard of late has to do with shelf browsing. A librarian remarked that though she personally never used it, she observed a patron enthusiastically show another patron how to shelf-browse in the PINES catalog. I don't use Evergreen's shelf-browse much myself, because I typically hit a catalog with a list of known items and stick with that. But I do have a weakness for craft and project books, with their colorful jackets and tempting titles (not that I ever *do* any of these crafts or projects), and I like to shelf-browse in the PINES catalog for these. I definitely see how patrons would like this. So I'm with Genny. For a number of reasons, including analyses done in previous jobs, I agree that people want browse. But of course, they want GOOD browse -- easy, functional, attractive, and available. -- -- | Karen G. Schneider | Community Librarian | Equinox Software Inc. The Evergreen Experts | Toll-free: 1.877.Open.ILS (1.877.673.6457) x712 | E-Mail/AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Web: http://www.esilibrary.com
[CODE4LIB] Shibboleth and Aleph?
Sittin' in a tree? Anyone have comments on that implementation activity? Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
My advice at this point would be to identify the editor(s) of planet.code4lib.org in the page itself (like it is displayed at http://planetcataloguing.org/) and to empower the editor(s) to adjust things as needed. The editors can then go about the business of managing the planet in the way that best suits them. +1 , as a blog author who would prefer not to have to flag her content for a feed she didn't design (Hi, we created this feed. Now, we don't like everything you write! Well, then don't aggregate it...). Karen S.
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
I wonder if the planet can be configured to display only blog posts that have certain tag(s)? As someone who has an omnibus blog, I'd like that and would certainly be willing to tag what I consider to be relevant posts. You might want to define the tag well enough that we know when to apply it. K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
At the risk of being forward, might I suggest we tag what we consider relevant posts with the term code4lib (no quotes)? (Wordpress does indeed support tagging, and I've even generated tag clouds. I have some questions about the theme I'm using and whether it interferes with tagging, but I am certainly willing to experiment and if need be even change themes -- mine has poor SEO optimization, methinks.) K.G. Schneider On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:29:08 -0400, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: K.G. Schneider wrote: I wonder if the planet can be configured to display only blog posts that have certain tag(s)? As someone who has an omnibus blog, I'd like that and would certainly be willing to tag what I consider to be relevant posts. You might want to define the tag well enough that we know when to apply it. K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] It should be easy enough to do this with most blogging software. For example, before I migrated my blog, the feed on Planet Code4Lib used the RSS feed for a specific category (I think it was either library or technology but I forget). I'm not sure how all blog software works, but I assume most of them can set up an RSS feed based on category or tag. In those situations, the Planet Code4Lib can be configured to just use those feeds. Edward
Re: [CODE4LIB] Video update
Outstanding job -- I'm watching Karen Coyle right now. Worth the wait! Thanks for doing this -- this video collection is a national treasure! Karen G. Schneider On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:50:28 -0700, Noel Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi all, Video is a little over half done. Thanks to Ryan Eby for his support, doing all the trouble prone uploading to Google. Day one is on code4lib.org, linked in the schedule, and day 2 is part way. The first keynotes and a few more are on archive.org, which will catch up later. Sorry it is taking a while; there were several setbacks, and we're trying to put the real slides within the video when they are available, which takes time. See the videos under the schedule here: http://code4lib.org/conference/2008/schedule This Google video search should turn up all videos, with a little errata: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=code4lib+2008sitesearch=start=0 Here are the files on archive.org: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=code4lib%20AND%20collection%3Aopensource_movies And here is an rss feed for the truly impatient that will show you the Quicktime movies as they are posted by me: http://pierce.eou.edu/code4lib08/feed.php?dir=video Noel
Re: [CODE4LIB] KR (was: Gartner on OSS)
I now open up the vi vs. emacs discussion: http://xkcd.com/378/ (personally, I'm a BBEdit user, but fall back to vi as needed ... and ex for those rare times when you have to tip into a Solaris box to fix the vfstab and your TERM is completely hosed) -Joe Back when that was my choice, I used emacs exactly once, during which I removed every instance of the letter m from a lengthy document. (When I have to edit a file in my shell account, which is rare, I use pico... yes, I know that makes me a sissy *and I don't care.*) K.G. Schneider
Re: [CODE4LIB] Gartner on OSS
Sorry, Alexander, I disagree. Gartner may sound creaky but under the starchy language, this is pretty revolutionary advice. Look for a sustainable community - yes, for any product, that's key. Cultural match - that one is an interesting observation. Introducing open source development in organizations that have revolved around vendor-based relationships requires change management. I happen to think that the biggest culture shift needs to occur at the top, where it can be difficult to shift from the smoke-filled-room model, based on scarcity and secrecy and lots of money, to a more communitarian model, but it's also true that staff who have always worked with traditional vendors may have to adapt engrained practices. The SOA-I'll yield on that one. I think there's a Gartner template that requires the use of SOA every 500 words. The question of OSS not built on open standards has *cough* come up just in the past year. Of course, it could be pointed out that avoiding open standards, period, is a bad thing, and that commercial software is rife with such examples, far more than OSS... but still, it's not bad advice. (Cough into your arm to avoid sharing the flu; you'll also avoid sharing other airborne diseases, but the first statement still valid.) The last one means figure out whether you'll hire support or build it from within or (and perhaps this is the ideal advice) develop a blend of each. Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Alexander Johannesen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gartner on OSS Let's try the litmus test for enterprisey business bullshit : porridge ; Recommendations for Users * Look for a sustainable community that has a critical mass of skills supporting porridge. * Look for a cultural match between the porridge community and your internal developers and user culture as it enhances communication and perceived user satisfaction. * Prepare an SOA that can integrate IT services from many sources, including porridge. * Avoid porridge that is not built on open standards. * Make a conscious risk-based decision about whether you will depend on internal resources or external services for your porridge implementations. In short, another template piece where [insert your favourite thing here] is wrapped around generic advice. Do they say anything that's specific to what open-source is all about? Alex (without reading the darn article...) -- -- - Project Wrangler, SOA, Information Alchemist, UX, RESTafarian, Topic Maps -- http://shelter.nu/blog/ --- -
Re: [CODE4LIB] Gartner on OSS
But that fact leads me to the thought that perhaps Gartner isn't as revolutionary as one might think. Revolutionary *for Gartner* -- and therefore important in that sense, for the people whose opinions are shaped by the Gartner Weltanschauung. These people aren't reading NGC4LIB. (Um, neither am I, but that's another issue.) I do think Joe Lucia's post could use broader attention. What if, in the U.S., 50 ARL libraries, 20 large public libraries, 20 medium-sized academic libraries, and 20 Oberlin group libraries anted up one full-time technology position for collaborative open source development. That's 110 developers working on library applications with robust, quickly-implemented current Web technology -- not legacy stuff. That's excellent what-iffing. For those libraries to ante up requires a commitment from the higher-ups. This is possible, and many library types, *to their credit,* have a fundamentally anti-Gartner disposition that lends themselves to understanding the value of such a skunk works and even contributing to such activities. But for them what don't, and who are of commercial-means-professional worldview, the Gartner report is more water dripping on stone. (It's not the only Gartner report favorable toward open source. I've read most of their reports on Web 2.0, Wikipedia, open source, etc., and while the reports are often unintentionally funny due to misreadings of the cultural zeitgeist - remember the scene from Brother from Another Planet where the two alien spies order beer on the rocks? - it's intriguing to watch Enterprise Daddy-O loosen up a bit on these topics.) Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Announcement: Open Source In Libraries Website
Keep in mind that anti-OSS FUD has reached new levels, now that vendors see that it is gaining traction. So OSS has to be presented strategically and in context of the dumb statements I hear, which include all the stereotypes and b.s. I discussed in my 2007 c4l keynote but now go beyond it. K.G. Schneider
[CODE4LIB] Shibboleth
If you have been involved in investigating or implementing Shibboleth -- or alternative approaches -- I'd like to hear from you. Wearing my official chapeau I am, Karen G. Schneider Research Development College Center for Library Automation http://www.cclaflorida.org Voice: 850-922-6044 AIM/Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CODE4LIB] Digitool as local DAM
The answer might seem to be, sure of course we do, but let me frame it more specifically. Our organization's communications department needs a DAM for its virtual shoeboxes of photos -- only for internal access, a place where they could store, search, sort, tag, etc their digital assets. We have licensed Digitool. Besides its obvious uses for digital library services, is it in use anywhere simply as a local Digital Access Management system? K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] My code4lib slides
But was it videotaped?! Karen G. Schneider -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:50 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] My code4lib slides I ended up combining text and images and recreated my code4lib talk in a PDF that is too wordy and not terribly attractive -- however, (;-) the content is there, and now I should be able to turn it into a real document with little effort. http://www.kcoyle.net/code4lib2008_w_text.pdf If I ever learn to do voice-overs, I will do so with this talk. (I took a look at the $699 Adobe video package and did the math: $699[hardware] v. $699[software] and bought a macMini, which is now my livingroom machine. First Mac in 15 years. The best thing about it is when bash opens up or I get to solve problems by typing in smb:// ;-) Most of the time I'm in where the f**k is that mode). kc p.s. I'm speaking tomorrow at ERL in Atlanta. Any code4liber's going? I'll be around during the day before heading back to the coast. -- - Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.kcoyle.net ph: 510-540-7596 fx: 510-848-3913 mo: 510-435-8234 --
Re: [CODE4LIB] presentation files
File me under the I don't care as long as it happens camp -- Karen G. Schneider On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:44:26 -0500, Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In IRC a few of us kicked around the idea of uploading the video to the Internet Archive and letting them handle backup / streaming bandwidth / file format conversion (they accept high quality input and make a variety of formats, including the original, available) / etc - the likely destination would be a collection under http://www.archive.org/details/computersandtechvideos - and FAQs about videos are answered at http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#Movies So in that scenario, we would just link from the talk page to the location of each video on archive.org There seemed to be general support on IRC for using the Internet Archive as the destination of choice for the code4lib videos, but perhaps this is a good time to call for broader discussion. Dan On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to see the slides as well as the videos put on the talk page on the c4l site. For example, http://code4lib.org/conference/2008/styles would be where I would expect to find Rob's slides and the video of him speaking. Roy On 2/29/08 12:13 PM, Jon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be the best method for making presentation files available to the community? I'm afraid that I missed whatever instructions may have been mentioned. Cheers, Jon --
Re: [CODE4LIB] oca api?
But why are there hurdles? Karen G. Schneider On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:29:57 -0600, Chris Freeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Roy, do you have an answer in mind? To me my project it's the content that is open, which is why it's worth the hurdles. Once you 'crack the nut' you can grab metadata, scans, and derivatives and ingest, parse, recombine, remix...as we've done for BHL. Access to OCA content may not be standards-based, but it works. Chris -Original Message- From: Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: 2/27/2008 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] oca api? So what, exactly, is open about this? Anyone care to guess? Roy On 2/26/08 10:29 AM, Chris Freeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that, yes, the query interface we've been discussing here and the 'all sorts of interfaces that none of us knew about' are the same. It's not documented that I'm aware of. We've found out about it by literally sitting next to IA developers and asking questions. Chris -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] oca api? So in answer to my question here at the Code4Lib conference, after Brewster's keynote, Brewster suggests there are all sorts of interfaces that none of us knew about. Or at least I didn't know about, and haven't been able to figure out in months of trying! I'm going to try and corner him and ask for an email of who we should contact. Perhaps it's the XML interface that you guys know about already. Is that documented anywhere? How the heck did you find out about it? Jonathan Steve Toub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/08 9:41 PM I'll add that when IA told me about http://www.archive.org/services/search.php interface to return XML, they asked that we not send more than 100 records at time since doing more would adversely affect production services. Which made it seem like OAI-PMH was a better way to go. Chris, can you explain a bit more about what this means: We found their OAI interface to pull scanned items inconsistently based on date of scanning? I'm having trouble parsing. --SET --- Chris Freeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan - No, I don't believe it's documented - at least not anywhere publicly. If any IA/OCA folks are lurking, here's an opportunity to make a bunch of techies happy... Chris -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:48 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] oca api? I hadn't known this custom query interface existed! This is welcome news. Is this documented anywhere? Jonathan Chris Freeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/08 2:51 PM Steve Tim, I'm the tech director for the Biodiversity Heritage Library (BHL), which is a consortium of 10 natural history libraries who have partnered with Internet Archive (IA)/OCA for scanning our collections. We've just launched our revamped portal, complete with more than 7,500 books 2.8 million pages scanned by IA other digitization partners, at: http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org To build this portal we ingest metadata from IA. We found their OAI interface to pull scanned items inconsistently based on date of scanning, so we switched to using their custom query interface. Here's an example of a query we fire off: http://www.archive.org/services/search.php?query=collection:(biodiversit y)+AND+updatedate:%5b2007-10-31+TO+2007-11-30%5d+AND+-contributor:(MBLWH OI%20Library)limit=10submit=submit This is returning scanned items from the biodiversity collection, updated between 10/31/2007 - 11/30/2007, restricted to one of our contributing libraries (MBLWHOI Library), and limited to 10 results. The results are styled in the browser; view source to see the good stuff. We use this list to grab the identifiers we've yet to ingest. Some background: When a book is scanned through IA/OCA scanning, they create their own unique identifier (like annalesacademiae21univ) and grab a MARC record from the contributing library's catalog. All of the scanned files, derivatives, and metadata files are stored on IA's clusters in a directory named with the identifier. Steve mentioned using their /details/ directive, then sniffing the page to get the cluster location and the files for downloading. An easier method is to use their /download/ directive, as in: http://www.archive.org/download/ID$, or in the example above: http://www.archive.org/download/annalesacademiae21univ That automatically does a lookup on the cluster, which means you don't have to scrape info off pages. You can also
Re: [CODE4LIB] Records for Open Library
I had another thought (ouch... hurts...) which is this: if OCLC had to open up its data, then it would have to improve its services to survive. K.G. Schneider On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:28:14 -0600, Danielle Plumer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Kevin Kelly had an interesting post on The Technium last week about these sorts of issues (http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/01/better_than_fre.php), and his conclusion is exactly along the lines of Karen's post. His assumptions are: When copies are super abundant, they become worthless. When copies are super abundant, stuff which can't be copied becomes scarce and valuable. So he concludes: When copies are free, you need to sell things which can not be copied. The things which cannot be copied are services -- he lists eight generatives that have value. These are immediacy, personalization, interpretation, authenticity, accessibility, embodiment, patronage, and findability. Trust is also mentioned as a intangible asset with significant value. I find that this is a compelling argument, and it seems to be in line with things I hear coming out of OCLC Research, at least, and from the folks at Open Library, too. It will take time for an organization with as much inertia as OCLC has to change its modus operandi, but I think it will come. However, unlike others, I tend to be an optimist in the morning and a cynic by nightfall, so we'll see... Danielle Cunniff Plumer, Coordinator Texas Heritage Digitization Initiative Texas State Library and Archives Commission 512.463.5852 (phone) / 512.936.2306 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:04 AM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Records for Open Library Maybe Roy will answer that one -- but I doubt its that difficult to guess. OCLC's primary value is its bibliographic database and the information about its member's holdings. Nearly all of it's services are built around this. If they gave that information up to the Open Library, it would most certainly undermine their ILL, Cataloging and Grid Services initiatives. However, if a handful of members in relation to their membership participate in the program -- its no skin off their noses. --TR You know, I realize that's the going-in thinking, and OCLC has shared that with me. I fully understand the need for OCLC to protect its services. But I remember with a previous job that people (even some very important people) thought our product was our data, but it really wasn't: it was the services we wrapped around the data, including maintenance, delivery, affiliated products, etc. It's true that the data had to be good, but that goodness didn't come with a core dump of one-time static data. Keeping our data closed ultimately harmed us, perhaps perniciously, and I wish I had done a better job of championing a different path. I didn't have the skills or vocabulary and to this day I regret that. Karen G. Been there, done that, got the teeshirt Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Records for Open Library
For the record, I've clarified this with OCLC itself. It's exactly as Terry Weese says. Karen G. Schneider Isn't sharing such records a no-no? No, OCLC's guidelines for transfer (http://www.oclc.org/support/documentation/worldcat/records/guidelines/def ault.htm) specifically give unrestricted transfer rights to libraries and non-commercial entities. The Open Library is both. It's a registered library in California and a non-profit. So in either situtation, it's not a problem. --TR *** Terry Reese Cataloger for Networked Resources Digital Production Unit Head Oregon State University Libraries Corvallis, OR 97331 tel: 541-737-6384 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: http://oregonstate.edu/~reeset *** From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Peter Murray Sent: Wed 2/6/2008 2:50 PM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Records for Open Library -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2008, at 12:11 PM, K.G. Schneider wrote: Has your library considered contributing records to Open Library ( http://www.openlibrary.org/ )? If so I'd like to hear from you on or off list. How would that work? Most of the records in OhioLINK are probably derived from OCLC Worldcat. Isn't sharing such records a no-no? Peter - -- Peter Murrayhttp://www.pandc.org/peter/work/ Assistant Director, New Service Development tel:+1-614-728-3600;ext=338 OhioLINK: the Ohio Library and Information NetworkColumbus, Ohio The Disruptive Library Technology Jesterhttp://dltj.org/ Attrib-Noncomm-Share http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHqjmq4+t4qSfPIHIRAqggAKDGoUmRO/7tcmdTn7f8YEnaBTbhQQCfYSBy yJU+FrMcWRUGURJk29iDx5w= =CEg4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [CODE4LIB] Records for Open Library
That's just a synonym for Internet tubes. Karen G. Schneider Be careful to stay on the right side of the language about magnetic tape. Tim On 2/6/08, Reese, Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't sharing such records a no-no? No, OCLC's guidelines for transfer (http://www.oclc.org/support/documentation/worldcat/records/guidelines/def ault.htm) specifically give unrestricted transfer rights to libraries and non-commercial entities. The Open Library is both. It's a registered library in California and a non-profit. So in either situtation, it's not a problem. --TR *** Terry Reese Cataloger for Networked Resources Digital Production Unit Head Oregon State University Libraries Corvallis, OR 97331 tel: 541-737-6384 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http: http://oregonstate.edu/~reeset *** From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Peter Murray Sent: Wed 2/6/2008 2:50 PM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Records for Open Library -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2008, at 12:11 PM, K.G. Schneider wrote: Has your library considered contributing records to Open Library ( http://www.openlibrary.org/ )? If so I'd like to hear from you on or off list. How would that work? Most of the records in OhioLINK are probably derived from OCLC Worldcat. Isn't sharing such records a no-no? Peter - -- Peter Murrayhttp://www.pandc.org/peter/work/ Assistant Director, New Service Development tel:+1-614-728-3600;ext=338 OhioLINK: the Ohio Library and Information NetworkColumbus, Ohio The Disruptive Library Technology Jesterhttp://dltj.org/ Attrib-Noncomm-Share http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHqjmq4+t4qSfPIHIRAqggAKDGoUmRO/7tcmdTn7f8YEnaBTbhQQCfYSBy yJU+FrMcWRUGURJk29iDx5w= =CEg4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Check out my library at http://www.librarything.com/profile/timspalding
Re: [CODE4LIB] low-cost software for prison libraries?
I was thinking this morning about an appliance solution -- Koha or Evergreen in a box -- something to make it as stir-and-pour as possible for libraries with minimal resources. K.G. Schneider On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:54:15 -0500, Edward Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Johnathan, I've been interested in solutions for small libraries (say liek Churtrhc or club libraries) as well. While if I was setting one up, Koha would be the way I'd go, I can see why it might not be the best solution for all. The e-mail from Mary really didn't talk about the requirements they have, but Koha, once configured would probably be pretty easy to deal with. If they don't need something Web-based, and it is for one location, I'd look at some of the really nice Personal Library management programs out there. I'm not sure what is out there, but I personally really like Delicious Library (http://www.delicious-monster.com/). If you have $40 and Mac, it is a great little program. Edward Jonathan Rochkind said the following on 01/30/2008 11:54 PM: Hi all, this is forwarded from a prison librarian listserv. Does anyone know of any very low-cost (or open source?) library systems that would be suitable for small and/or low-staffed libraries? I'm thinking something like Koha or Evergreen would probably be overkill and/or too hard to install without much/any tech/systems staff, but I could very well be wrong, I don't know much about either system. I also don't know much about the needs of that kind of small library. If anyone does have ideas, could you send them directly to Mary (in addition to CCing the list if you want, because I'm interested too and I bet other list members would be.). I've been curious for a while about solutions available to the very small/limited-resource library in the way 'automation', but know almost nothing about it and am not sure if there's an easy way to find out. If anyone happens to know something about this (or is interested in researching it), I personally think the Code4Lib Journal would be a great place to publish an essay or survey on that topic. Jonathan Begin forwarded message: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 30, 2008 9:12:19 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [prison-l] Library automation software Greetings: Last month there was some discussion here about cheap/free/ reasonably priced automation software for correctional libraries. I am on a statewide committee which has just been formed to research and recommend a software package to replace Athena (formerly by Sagebrush, now Follett) in most of the correctional libraries in Virginia. After years in public libraries I am very familiar with some of the big vendors, but they are simply financially out of the question for our agency, not to mention web- based. I have looked at the websites for LibraryThing, Auto Librarian, and ResourceMate, which were recommended here in the previous discussion. If you know of or have a circ/cat system that is reasonably priced (or dirt cheap) and works well for you, please share the information with me, with pros and cons if you like. All replies greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance. Mary Geist, librarian Dept. of Correctional Education Brunswick Correctional Center 1147 Planter's Road Lawrenceville, VA 23868 434.848.4131, ext. 1146 -- Edward M. Corrado http://www.tcnj.edu/~corrado/ Systems Librarian The College of New Jersey 403E TCNJ Library PO Box 7718 Ewing, NJ 08628-0718 Tel: 609.771.3337 Fax: 609.637.5177 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib http irc channel
Hi folks -- for some time now I've been unable to use the http irc channel, which is the only one I can use at work. (If you can't install a client, or if IRC traffic is blocked on your network, connect through the web at linuxinlibraries.com (choose #code4lib)) The error I get: Not Acceptable An appropriate representation of the requested resource /cgi-bin/client-perl.cgi could not be found on this server. Apache/1.3.39 Server at www.linuxinlibraries.com Port 80 Sometimes I get the irc screen but if I type anything in I get the error page again. Just wondering... (oh, and gave the conference scholarships a plug last night on my blog) K.G. Schneider
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib http irc channel
I'm sort of on, though after the first line I typed I can't seem to enter anything. Then again I can't remember what I wanted to say. ;-) Karen S. On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:01:27 -0500, Ross Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Karen, The server should be changed to: irc.freenode.net and the channel is: #code4lib I guess we'll see in a minute if that works for you, -Ross. On Jan 7, 2008 3:55 PM, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I even saw my nick, but when I tried to type the error page showed up. From trying the ircatwork.com site I got: *** Welcome to CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06) *** Looking up linuxinlibraries.com *** Connecting to linuxinlibraries.com [72.29.69.156] port 6667 *** An error occurred: Connecting to IRC: Connection refused connecting to 72.29.69.156:6667 Ideas? Karen S. On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:39:43 -0800, Wick, Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your nick showed up in the room earlier today, and a few others have been using the linuxinlibraries.com site, but it does seem to be a little flaky. This site worked just now when I tried it: http://ircatwork.com/ Ryan Wick -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K.G. Schneider Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:59 AM To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib http irc channel Hi folks -- for some time now I've been unable to use the http irc channel, which is the only one I can use at work. (If you can't install a client, or if IRC traffic is blocked on your network, connect through the web at linuxinlibraries.com (choose #code4lib)) The error I get: Not Acceptable An appropriate representation of the requested resource /cgi-bin/client-perl.cgi could not be found on this server. Apache/1.3.39 Server at www.linuxinlibraries.com Port 80 Sometimes I get the irc screen but if I type anything in I get the error page again. Just wondering... (oh, and gave the conference scholarships a plug last night on my blog) K.G. Schneider
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Journal
It's really quite excellent. Kudos! It's a tough week to grab anyone's attention, but I'll try. K.G. Schneider On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:19:11 -0500, Teresa Victoriana Sierra [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Nice job Jonathan! Teri Sierra, Assistant Chief Serial and Government Publications Division Library of Congress 202-707-5277 202-707-6128 (fax) Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/17/07 10:59 AM The first issue of the Code4Lib Journal is now available. http://journal.code4lib.org Jonathan -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] open source chat bots?
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:14:29 -0500, Andrew Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hello - there was quite a bit of talk about chat bots a year or 2 back. I was wondering if anyone knew of an open source chat bot that works with jabber? Thanks Andrew I'm afraid this isn't an answer, but several times last week I almost posted a similar query to DIG_REF. I'm interested in this response and in any responses that would lead to a discussion of an OSS virtual reference solution with critical-path VR components such as multiple logins, statistics, transcripts, etc. Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] [Fwd: [NGC4LIB] A Thought Experiment]
On 11/9/07 11:24 AM, Joseph Lucia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the recent OCLC Members Council meeting there was some strong support voiced from the floor during OCLC management's general presentation for such an API, but it is not clear where OCLC stands on the matter. The answers from OCLC officers about this were hedgy, though they hinted at some sort of development in progress. Others may know more. They (OCLC) are clearly focused on the market position of WorldCat Local and a robust and extensive API might undercut that -- but probably only with one market sector. We need to keep pressing the issue. * Joe Lucia University Librarian Villanova University 610-519-4290 Note that this is also a governance issue. Members Council is advisory, except for appointing six of the fifteen trustees; the remaining nine are self-appointed, and include the president of OCLC. Like many organizations, OCLC is struggling with its own issues of sharing and trust (I consider the recent, very excellent OCLC report to be on some level an unconscious roman a clef). OCLC throwing small bones such as we might make an API available while clearly not actually *doing* this is one reason why even people fully committed in principle to the idea of a global networked catalog--on paper, the *only* sensible model--remain a bit coy about throwing their hat into the WC Local ring. I do understand OCLC's fear--let go of the goods, and OCLC will cannibalize its own revenue stream--but I think they're greatly underestimating the extent to which they are a service, not a data, provider. I hope this isn't read as too critical. Many library organizations are struggling with similar change issues. Just wanted to bring up some of hte organizational complexities underlying decision-making. K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Interesting uses of WorldCat affiliate tools and search extensions
Cool examples, all. This is indeed the sort of thing I was thinking about. (Not this specific one, of course : ) Karen G. Schneider On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:30:03 -0400, jean rainwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Karen, We recently launched an application that provides a single user interface for requesting returnable items from our 4 shared resource systems. We use the WorldCat search box as our starting point. Instead of passing the OpenURL from WorldCat directly to our link resolver, we intercept it and use the ISBN to 1) do a look-up in our catalog (we redirect if a circulating copy is available), 2) query our III INNReach catalog, 3) query two Sirsi-Dynix URSA consortium catalogs, and 4) default to our ILLiad system if the request can't be placed in one of the direct borrow systems. Instead of having to navigate different proprietary systems, each with its own search interface and login method, the user now searches once in WorldCat, authenticates once, and our application goes to work behind the scenes. The public description of the system is at: http://dl.lib.brown.edu/libweb/services/easyBorrow.php We're in the process of creating a site with technical details and code. The architecture is quite modular and webservice based and could be adapted/expanded by others. (We're currently using java, python, and php.) Two of our project team members will be signing up for lightning/5-minute madness talks at the upcoming Access (Birkin Diana) and LITA (Bonnie Buzzell) conferences. Jean Rainwater Co-leader, Integrated Technology Services Brown University Library [EMAIL PROTECTED] 401.863.9031 On 9/26/07, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Originally posted elsewhere. Despite the direction of my original request, I'm getting such good developer-level responses to this question that I'm reposting to code4lib to say if you are doing something interesting, I'm interested. Karen G. Schneider On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:13:32 -0400, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: For a report I'm writing, I'm hunting around for interesting and successful uses of end-user-oriented WorldCat affiliate tools and search extensions (or interesting and UNsuccessful deployments...), such as: * WorldCat Search Box. Creates a WorldCat search box on home pages, blogs, and other websites; available preconfigured in two sizes, but (I think) can be tweaked for other configurations. Requires (free) WorldCat registration. * WorldCat links with embedded search terms. OCLC provides syntaxes for deeplinking to WorldCat results, suitable for embedding in courseware, etc. * Other things: a Firefox browser search extension and a Yahoo! toolbar for Internet Explorer that allow WorldCat searches from browser toolbars, and a Google toolbar for either Internet Explorer or Firefox that links directly to WorldCat results when it detects ISBNs on web pages. (Interesting uses of xISBN, WorldCat registry search/detail, or the OpenURL Gateway also welcome, but not as central.) I see some of these tools on various library websites, and use a couple of them myself, but I'm looking more carefully for the benefits/payback of these tools beyond yup, it's on our website or I use it myself. Writing under the umbrella of biblio-officialdom I am -- Karen G. Schneider Research Development College Center for Library Automation http://www.cclaflorida.org Voice: 850-922-3159 AIM/Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Web4lib mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
[CODE4LIB] Interesting uses of WorldCat affiliate tools and search extensions
Originally posted elsewhere. Despite the direction of my original request, I'm getting such good developer-level responses to this question that I'm reposting to code4lib to say if you are doing something interesting, I'm interested. Karen G. Schneider On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:13:32 -0400, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: For a report I'm writing, I'm hunting around for interesting and successful uses of end-user-oriented WorldCat affiliate tools and search extensions (or interesting and UNsuccessful deployments...), such as: * WorldCat Search Box. Creates a WorldCat search box on home pages, blogs, and other websites; available preconfigured in two sizes, but (I think) can be tweaked for other configurations. Requires (free) WorldCat registration. * WorldCat links with embedded search terms. OCLC provides syntaxes for deeplinking to WorldCat results, suitable for embedding in courseware, etc. * Other things: a Firefox browser search extension and a Yahoo! toolbar for Internet Explorer that allow WorldCat searches from browser toolbars, and a Google toolbar for either Internet Explorer or Firefox that links directly to WorldCat results when it detects ISBNs on web pages. (Interesting uses of xISBN, WorldCat registry search/detail, or the OpenURL Gateway also welcome, but not as central.) I see some of these tools on various library websites, and use a couple of them myself, but I'm looking more carefully for the benefits/payback of these tools beyond yup, it's on our website or I use it myself. Writing under the umbrella of biblio-officialdom I am -- Karen G. Schneider Research Development College Center for Library Automation http://www.cclaflorida.org Voice: 850-922-3159 AIM/Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Web4lib mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org hosting
Yes, I have a concern about a university hosting arrangement like what you've described, though it doesn't have anything to do with OSU or you. :) ibiblio is in the business of being a neutral hosting space for sites like this (and, yes, they're at a university, but, their long-lived project there is long-dedicated to this). Special arrangements to host code4lib.org at any particular university through the good graces of one or two people like you are just that - special arrangements, predicated on a generally favorable situation and the kindness of a couple of supportive individuals both in our community - presumably you and rordway - and at OSU (your boss and network/server support staff). If I might pipe up a little... I've lived through the orphaned university hosting scenario for two services (lii.org and the PUBLIB list). To me, the big questions are: * Who can provide the clearest, best-documented relationship (the deliverables question) so it is not all based on handshakes and who knows whom... Dan's special arrangements concern * Which option provides the best service package * Which option has the chance of lasting the longest (moving hurts) * Which option has the clearest, easiest exit strategy (because eventually everybody moves on... it's not a marriage, it's just a protracted date) * Which option gives the community the most ownership of its content * Which option has a proven track record with this kind of relationship (which might also mean, which option has the most at stake for delivering good service to this kind of arrangement) I resisted several special arrangements for lii.org's move from Berkeley SunSITE precisely because I had experience with them. When the person who cares moves on, you can be left twisting in the breeze. (Plus in several cases the suggested arrangements were ridiculous... moving to poorly-maintained Windows servers with known bandwidth problems and suspect security, etc.) Having a special arrangement can be tough. Even when you DO know the people and they have no intention of leaving, they can get very very busy, and their organization always has to come first. I don't have strong feelings about ibiblio versus OSU (without knowing more about either of them), but I see those as the issues. I wonder if code4lib couldn't be just as happy holding an annual virtual bake sale or raffle and buying space at Hurricane Electric or something. Just a thought. What are we talking about in terms of needs? Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting the site back up (was code4lib.org hosting)
Concur, adding that going with #3 or #2 (no preference from me formally between the 2, you guys know better here) adds a much-needed release valve so you don't have to make a decision about the permanent home under pressure. Don't know that you need a formal RFP for permanent (well, longterm shackup) home, but even a rough Mary Poppins-style list of mandatory/highly desired/desired deliverables (You must be kind, you must be witty; very sweet and fairly pretty, etc.) will help lead to good long-term decisions and can actually accelerate the decision process. Karen I agree with this. Expectations of anvil's return to duty shouldn't add to the pressure of getting it running again. -Ross. On 8/2/07, Kevin S. Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to that effect, here's what I think the current options are: 1) Get it back up on anvil 2) Get it up on Dan's Machine 3) Put it up here at OSU My order of preference would be #3 else #2... though Dan's machine might be easier if he already has an older version on there. Kevin
Re: [CODE4LIB] the journal presence in online databases
Why does it matter what librarians think about the change in formats? Ah hah! That, sir, is the point. You are absolutely correct about the readers needing a voice in this. But I guess what I am getting at is that so far it has not worked out that way, at least in the humanities, and that has had unintended consequences. Databases started out as print ancillaries, but in many cases are replacing print as the format libraries are using to purchase that content (another place where it matters). Librarians have been the brokers for this content, wield tremendous power in the paper/print decisions, and in some cases are playing key roles in determining the direction of metadata used to describe the aboutness of serial publications (just as librarians active in the open-access movement have played influential roles in institution-wide policies about ETD requirements-again, sometimes with unintended consequences). In some cases, 'journal-ness' is probably important. In others, the traditional model is probably inferior to other options. Right, and in fact, context is important for the user; I'm not saying database soup can't be useful for this journal content. (Using a very broad writerly I) When I'm researching, I don't care (and in fact prefer spooning through the database soup). When I want to read the latest American Scholar or Pleiades, I do care. (One of the dangly bits floating around as I mull all this over is how in researching and using born-digital ejournals in the humanities, the library is fully out of the loop for me. I don't know what if anything that means.) Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] the journal presence in online databases
Karen, I suspect one could find a parallel for the loss of the wholeness of a journal issue in the world of popular music. Does the album as those of us of a certain age knew it still exist when most music is acquired (I'd like to say purchased, but spend too much time around college-aged people to use such a ridiculous word)as single tracks rather than as part of a larger whole? That goes back to Nathan's astute question on Code4Lib. Clearly the modern music audience has returned to the model of my very early youth: the single. But from what I am hearing (based on interviews so far with writers and publishers) the audience (readership) for literary journals expects, well, a literary journal. The table-of-contents browsing enabled by some databases for some journals seems perfectly adequate from a research point of view - if you squint from a distance. But from both a literary and research perspective, it has some disturbing limitations: lack of cover art, loss of design (a poem on a page, for example, presented with a specific font), loss of advertising and ephemera... even the context and juxtaposition of the content in a print journal has meaning. Then there may be another curious problem with the small-journal economy. If the subscriber base for a journal dries up, then it is likely to go away. So the action intended to help ensure access to the journal - moving from print to electronic-may kill it. I still have to do some research into the economics of journals (a vendor's help here would be useful) so this is more provisional thinking. This has even greater ramification if you consider that part of the journal economy (more of an ecology, reall) includes the writers and artists who contribute its content (often for no more than the grand sum of a subscription to the journal, if even that). I think librarians have been trying to do the right thing: the move from print to electronic is terrifically useful for a great deal of content, and if you have to choose-and we often do-then electronic access is an improvement. I wouldn't want to *not* have electronic access to what we have. But there isn't a 1:1 correlation between a literary journal and its online indexed articles. It's like replacing a statue on a college green with a fiche reader and a fiche of pictures of the statue that was there. You have some of the raw information (though as noted above, definitely not all of it), but you do not have the thing itself. Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Please remove me from mailing list
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 10:49:22AM -0700, Robin Speer wrote: Please remove my email from your mailing list. Thanks. Robin Speer Oregon State Library phone: 503-378-2464, fax: 503-585-8059 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look what y'all did, arguing about munging email headers. Robin was disgusted enough to ask to leave, and rightly so. Gabe (who replies to the list with L) I was going to say, good grief, can't people read the tag line on each message reminding them where the list website is? Oh... ok, never mind. So I'll be snarky and google Code4Lib. I get the C4L website. I click the link called email: The requested URL /mailing-lists/code4lib/ was not found on this server. So, ok, my snark is rapidly eroding, but I'll Google code4lib mailing list. I get http://dewey.library.nd.edu/mailing-lists/code4lib/ I click, I get: The requested URL /mailing-lists/code4lib/ was not found on this server. Poor, poor hungry fleabitten kitten... call the ASPCA, *STAT!* Karen S.
Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4lib] ERAMS vs. URM
Credit absolutely goes to SerialSolutions for starting the discussion. Part of what we're trying to do w/ERAMs.org is to broaden the dialogue outside simply the business product category of ERMs. There seems also to be a need to rethink the way we do things within libraries and consortia to manage e-resources (systems, skill sets, workflows, and mindsets are issues that come to mind). Well, I'll say it: with absolutely no offense to SerialSolutions-we use their product, btw, no comment there one way or the other-or for that matter Georgia Tech, where great things emanate and which has not one but two very cool learning commons-I've been cautious about this ERAMS concept because it WAS launched by a vendor. I can't identify the authors on the Wikipedia page, but I'm guessing they're from SS? My antennae wiggled when I read this on the ERAMS blog: Is open source software a potential solution or should we look to a hybrid model involving automation vendors and the library community? That question feels very leading, as in, Are you going to leave the table without excusing yourself or would you really rather have dessert? If the answer is, Thank you for asking, but we're going to go for open source, do we (whoever 'we' might be) still have a place at the table? Also, where is preserve? Finally, this made me smile: We are looking for the first 50 participants who are willing to visualize a library not focused solely on print resource management and willing to go out on a limb and conceptualize the library which is focused on user access and management of online resources services. To change course and say, of *course* these are important directions for us to go in, I would have replaced the word willing with eager. Willing implies a grudging consent. Working with organizations that are willing to put some attention to e-resources is why we are where we are today. Anyhoo, after all this nitpicking (which I prefer to keep here on the lists for now, as commenting on a blog is different from talking within community), it sounds as if it will be a great session, and some of the questions are focused enough that with enough follow-through they could yield fruit (are you happy with your openurl resolver or would you rather stick a pencil in your eye? ... oh, wait, I made that up). As an ACRL member whose conference dance card is maxed out this spring, I look forward to hearing the podcasts afterwards. Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology Research Florida State University Email/AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://blogs.lib.fsu.edu/libtech/ Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370
Re: [CODE4LIB] Video encoding done - Mashup idea request
On Mar 16, 2007, at 7:09 PM, K.G. Schneider wrote: A library on campus is purchasing the Mediasite portable webcasting setup, which is sneezy-expensive if pretty cool. It would be interesting to see if it really works, and how well, and how easily, and if so, this being a library conference... The College of Engineering here has it Mediasite, and it kind of works, but it's not as cool as I'd hoped. Navigating between slides can confuse it, at least in Firefox on a Mac. Don't know how much it costs, but I personally wouldn't pay a whole lot for it. -Nate It's not my library, and ergo not my money, but boy howdie are these things pricey (e.g. $20k plus). We have several on campus but I haven't viewed output. Interesting. Thanks! Karen S.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Video encoding done - Mashup idea request
In principle that would be a better option. In practice you need to be really really sure that you can simply mix the two formats in to a final output. Mixing PC-video and camera-video successfully together has a reputation for being difficult. All to do with frame rates and interlacing modes of which I have zero understanding. The other issue being that modern video projectors are very good at coping with having a multitude of PCs Macs plugged in to them, working out the resolution etc. and displaying a quality image. I am sceptical of finding some video editing software that is so forgiving. A library on campus is purchasing the Mediasite portable webcasting setup, which is sneezy-expensive if pretty cool. It would be interesting to see if it really works, and how well, and how easily, and if so, this being a library conference... K.G. Schneider
Re: [CODE4LIB] Videos
I think one of our greatest challenges as a group is how to enable such ad hoc involvement while not letting things fall through the cracks with too little planning and forethought. I guess a part of it is making sure everyone knows that there is no such thing as an in group that controls everything. We are all code4lib. Just step forward and contribute. We'll love you for it. Roy One of my favorite usability quotes is from Donald Norman (The Psychology of Everyday Things): Information is in the world. The less-fancy way of putting this is Write it down now, and you don't have to remember it later. (This becomes more and more important for the aging brain... and none of us have brains that are becoming any YOUNGER.) I strongly encourage that the camping checklist for Code4Lib include videotaping/podcasting permission forms and a general call for videotaping support, plus post-taping support/uploading volunteers. I bet without much effort or formality, you will always get at least two or three people who are willing to bring camera, tripod, and a stack o' tapes. It was really no big deal-if you own a camcorder, you know you're usually open to excuses for justifying its existence, particularly if you're always eyeing the next great thing :) . While it was great that a couple of us brought cameras, I am VERY impressed by the code4lib encoding team, who had those tapes transferred before the conference was over, as well as the upload team, who is making it happen as we write!! That's usually the stumbling block... and drives me nuts about other conferences. Btw, one reason I begged my own tape back is I plan to run it through my own video software and lift off the sound track. I think I will come across better as a podcast because in the video I'm Karen, The Talking Podium (uh, maybe scrounge a box for us tiny people, ok? If you ever invite Liz Lawley to speak, she'll have the same problem). Plus an mp3 is lighter-weight. But I admit I enjoy watching myself on video. It makes for a very cool trip report (See this link) ;-) Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Posting the conference video?
nota bene... for anyone taking notes for lessons learned to apply next year, you may want to phrase those posting agreements as broadly as possible. As a speaker, I thought the conference was wonderful. Most of the presentations were too techy for me, but we all knew that going in, and sometimes being exposed to good ideas fore and aft of thirty minutes of talk about coding is enough to get my brain rolling in new ways. I returned to my own institution more committed to vendor-frei approaches to information services, and also to more in-house development. It turns out in addition to various pockets of expertise we have one staffer who dearly wants to brush up her already extensive and currently unutilized Java, Php, MySQL and other application skills... amazing what you have when you look around. So thanks for inviting me, and thanks for listening to what I had to share. As you explore potential speakers, you might also consider opportunities how an invitation to an outsider is also your ministry to the non-coding communities. You know, the sublunary folk who commit the resources and write the checks. ;-) Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:27:44 -0500, Jason Etheridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 3/8/07, Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to stick with the letter of the license, we should make the video available on code4lib.org first, then someone could (under the CC-A-NC-SA license) repost it at the Internet Archive where it can avoid being caught between a hammer and an anvil (*rim shot*). IANAL, but would it be enough to satisfy the wording if we simply linked to the videos on archive.org from code4lib.org? :) -- Jason Etheridge GPLS -- PINES Development http://open-ils.org/
[CODE4LIB] Flamenco
A mention of the Flamenco project (open source faceted navigation) on Catalogablog made me wonder if anyone on c4l had looked at this: http://flamenco.berkeley.edu/ Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] RE: [CODE4LIB] Posting the conference video?
I love that. thought I should add that, as one of the speakers. :) Not even sure what +1 means and it's too late to email our lone developer, but +1, indeed. Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ed wrote: On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:32 PM, David J. Fiander wrote: How about sending it to the Internet Archive? +1 //Ed And now I say: Pretty much what I said a couple of weeks ago ;-) -- -- From: Darci Hanning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:36 PM To: Code for Libraries Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Videos of presentations? Another hosting option to consider is the Internet Archive (http://www.archive.org/create/) -- the Plone Conference last fall had two of the four tracks professionally taped and then volunteers encoded and uploaded them all to the archive. It was great even for conference attendees because there was just too much good stuff going on ;-) Cheers! Darci (geeklibrarian)
[CODE4LIB] Videos?
I just wondered, are the videos going online anywhere? Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CODE4LIB] roll-your-own search analytics?
Hey c4l folks, I was sitting here pondering C4L's program lineup when it hit me no one was covering a topic dear to me-roll-your-own search analytics. Admittedly, said topic would quickly get beyond *my* skill level, in terms of implementation, but I'm still interested in it and we definitely have the resources to support it. (Imagine if we commissioned topics the way art patrons commission work...) Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology Research Florida State University Email/AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://quodvide.wordpress.com Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370
[CODE4LIB] search analytics, part deux
Someone wrote to ask me what I mean by search analytics. Fair question. The blurb for Lou Rosenfeld and Rich Wiggins' forthcoming book pretty much does a good job of describing what I mean: http://www.rosenfeldmedia.com/books/searchanalytics/ Any organization that has a searchable web site or intranet is sitting on top of hugely valuable and usually under-exploited data: logs that capture what users are searching for, how often each query was searched, and how many results each query retrieved. Search queries are gold: they are real data that show us exactly what users are searching for in their own words. This book shows you how to use search analytics to carry on a conversation with your customers: listen to and understand their needs, and improve your content, navigation and search performance to meet those needs. By roll-your-own analytics, I'm talking about taking techniques such as this: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/08/21/better_search_engine.html Or, from an in-house recipe we used last year, produce logs this way: Ingredients Timestamp, original query, normalized query, parameters, number of results, referring page, IP or session ID Procedure Timestamp: best format is year-month-day:hour:minute:second Original query: as entered by user Normalized query: after lowercasing, stemming, removal of field names, etc. Parameters: any field names, languages, character sets, etc. Nice to put the results page number in here Number of results: unique to search engine, 0 hits is very important Referring page: referer field, useful for locating confusing locations within the sites, external links, etc. IP or session ID: allows us to follow the progress of a multi-part query. session ID is far better for privacy considerations. Mix. Produce (at minimum) these reports: Top 1% of query terms (often 10-15% of all queries) top no-matches queries (0 results) top referring pages for search, both internal and external number and sources of empty queries --- Note that you don't have to run these queries continuously to get useful information. A strong sample can be invaluable. For that matter, if you're doing iterative evaluation-say, across vendor products-using the same terms is almost essential; I was turning into Jack from The Shining by the end of our search engine implementation at my Former Place Of Work, but the consistency was important. Karen G. Schneider Acting Associate Director of Libraries for Technology Research Florida State University Email/AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://quodvide.wordpress.com Phone: 850-644-5214 Cell: 850-590-3370
Re: [CODE4LIB] Server names at libraries
Let this be a strong plea to your readers to choose nice, generic hostnames for their public-facing servers to help them avoid vendor lock-in. Dan Scott You mean like Huey, Dewey and Louie? (I'll never tell where...'twas a long time ago...and the servers were named pre-Internet and suddenly became er, more visible.) I've always enjoyed the library server names that sounded sophisticated and evil... darkstar etc reminds me of our tabby cat thinking she's a cruel-hearted tiger as she pounces on a cloth mouse. Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] [Web4Lib] Access 2006 presentations podcasts available
Ryan's point is that because the RSS feeds on the first site aren't enabled for media enclosures the files aren't rendered available through aggregators. You can certainly save the files from the first site (and the annotations are excellent), but they aren't actually syndicated. Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] I downloaded the podcasts by right clicking them with my mouse and choosing save as. That worked for me. Darla Darla Grediagin District Librarian Bering Strait School District Unalakleet, Alaska Web Address : http://bssdonline.org/course/view.php?id=51 Blog: http://aklibrarian1.edublogs.org/ Ryan Eby wrote: I see some audio posted but I don't see a podcast link? Is there a podcast feed for the audio? The main RSS feed doesn't seem to have enclosures either. Maybe I missed it. Thanks. Ryan Eby On 10/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** This message has been cross-posted to several lists. ** The Access 2006 conference speaker presentations and podcasts are now available at: http://www.access2006.uottawa.ca/?page_id=10 Thanks go to everyone who ... through their attendance and participation, and in spite of Ottawa's inclement weather ... contributed toward making Access 2006 a huge success! Merci beaucoup, and enjoy! Donna Dinberg on behalf of the Access 2006 planning committee Ottawa, Ontario, Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Web4lib mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.webjunction.org/web4lib/ --
Re: [CODE4LIB] position announcement
The following position announcement from PALINET (Philadelphia, PA) was brought to my attention: Technology Consultant PALINET seeks a technologist, who is a leader and visionary to define and develop innovative technology solutions for its 600 member libraries in the Mid-Atlantic region. As Senior Technology Consultant you will take an active role in enhancing PALINET's position as a leading technology advisor through awareness building, training, and consulting. You will facilitate adoption and implementation of new technology tools, methods, and resources by PALINET member libraries such as digitization and digital library development, portals and federated searching, institutional repositories, e-content management and related areas. This is a cool-sounding job... it sounds as if they're still looking. This had been John Iliff's position, but my take on this slot is that whoever goes into it can make it as unique and wonderful in his or her own way as John did in his. Eric's follow-up comment about his short stint at PALINET made me laugh... I remember how relieved I was to change jobs after six months at Queens in my first library gig after grad school, when in early 1993 I went from children's services to a new slot in Tech Services that after some head-scratching we called Electronic Resources Librarian. Toddler Time with a dozen wandering two-year-olds seemed SO much more challenging (and WAS) than launching one of the first Internet training programs for library staff or being on the team that launched the first truly online catalogs... opening day with the online catalogs featured some hairy moments (my compadre on that project and I had written the screen prompts to say to press Return when the keyboards were labeled Enter-or perhaps it was vice versa... in any event, just picture the scene in your head, droves of quarrelsome New Yorkers barking There's no 'Return' key!), and for anyone who can remember introducing the 'net to librarians back in the day, it wasn't always easy (Why do I need to learn this? It's not my job, I'll never need it!). But compared to trying to amuse and educate toddlers... for me, at least, a piece of cake. What does this have to do with CODE4LIB? Well, I am not entirely sure, but it helps to remember that what's easy or intuitive or natural is a very relative concept, and our systems should reflect that. Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] fun with kinosearch
I have been having fun with KinoSearch (an open source indexer/search engine with a Perl API), and I have documented my experiences here: http://dewey.library.nd.edu/morgan/kinosearch/?cmd=about Cool! -- Eric Lease Morgan I'm taking a break from evaluating search engines to respond to this. I'm glad Eric took a look at this SE, and I appreciate this documentation. But I have to take issue with his labeling spell-check and synonym support as featuritis. These are fundamental capabilities not so much increasingly desired by users but expected functionalities for search. The fielded search issues intrigued me, not because users do a lot of fielded searching (they don't), but because it reminded me that Kino doesn't support any faceting, either. As Eric notes, he would need to build in a spell-checker (and the ability to build a dictionary from his index). He didn't bring up stemming or light pluralization, but that would be yet another important capability. Then there's the issue of weighting fields. Then there's search log reporting. I could go on... but a search engine capable of supporting modern functionalities doesn't equate to a product larded with featuritis. And if you say but it's free I'll scream... I agree on the indexing and Unicode issues with swish-e, which we will be migrating from shortly for a number of reasons. I also like Eric's idea of attaching search software to a major project. A search engine that had the collective strength and wisdom of LAMP software could be an interesting alternative to... *you know who.* Sorry if I overreacted to the featuritis comment--I live and die by search these days... I've already had to explain to more than one stakeholder why we can't just use Jimbob's Crapola Indexer or whatever. K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] I am sorry.
Don't apologize--I feel the same way, it was fun to see you go get 'em. We've all made that mistake. (Now, if you did it again next week...) For VOLT and RAIN BIRD, don't use their copy to describe what they are. It seemed jarring. Say temporary agency or whatever. I was also curious about when you served in the USMC and what your career specialty was (even if seemingly unrelated). Also watch the shift in tense throughout your c.v. E.g. for Hilo, you say contributions include and then list statements in the past tense. Good luck! Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR
Right. The observation had more to do with how to order the items within a workset. The visitor was suggesting that a combination of popularity and currency ought to be considered for determining display. So between titles, you could show those titles that were more widely held first. Then within titles, you could show the most recent edition of the title at the top -- independent of the number of holdings associated with that particular edition. In answer to a question from yesterday, I'd wager (since we are doing armchair usability) that factoring in the number of manifestations of an item *would* make a difference. You'd probably have to do it at query time, but for the concerns I've heard about catalog records changing, conditional results for date sets seems valuable. Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR
Although, at the same time, I think Google has taught us that our result set order doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be 'relatively accurate' and present enough information to let the user determine its relevance. Do users actually determine relevance or do they have faith in Google to provide the best results on the first results page? Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR
I'd agree with this. Actually, though, 'relevancy' ranking based on where terms occur in the record and how many times they occur is of minor help compared to some sort of popularity score. WorldCat holdings work fairly well for that, as should circulation data. The primary example of this sort of ranking is the web search engines where ranking is based primarily on word proximity and links. --Th When we talk about what is or what is not working well, it would be useful to provide some evidence-driven data to support those statements. I'm pro FRBR but if it's going to catch on, it's time to take FRBR past the world of assumptions, both in terms of proof of concept and in terms of debates about what kind of configuration does or does not work well. Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Web services for LII content?
Ah, yes, cobranding... everything old is new again. We were doing this when I started in 2001. There were several issues: 1. We weren't charging for it; it was just an added value service. Based on all the bells and whistles, and even the minimum HTML (which at the time was five templates requiring extensive coding and tweaking, all which had to be redone every time the library changes its website, plus all the funky library coding that we stumbled into) it would have cost us 6000 hours a year to deliver to every library in California. (I know: we could use library students or volunteers! Uh huh...) I don't think we could make it cost-effective as a national funded service, at least not in scale to address our funding issues. It's very boutiquey, very maintenance intensive, and requires talking to webmasters with no clue what they are doing. When our funding had a steep cut the last time (2002) I stopped the service. 2. It creates a branding problem for LII to have a million quasi-LIIs running around. We ran into this in several situations. 3. It still requires that your users jump into a separate portal to do their search, even if it looks like your stuff on the outside. The number of libraries that tell me they'd love a service but they just can't pay for it is pretty high... at least with links on a page I have a few interested customers, probably more in the public library arena? When I talked about it in PLA, hands popped up all over the audience, and I have a real-world customer interested. I keep thinking the content and presentation could be managed through a tool such as Media Manager, which I use on my blog to present Amazon content... Karen Another option is one that I think you already do and that is to wrap an organization's branding around your licensed content: * Have the organization set up a domain name service entry that points to your server (e.g. resources.library.oh.us = 64.142.8.101) * Get from the organization an HTML template of how they would like LII content to appear. This is most likely just their existing website template. * Add code/configuration to your server that recognizes when the requesting URL is 'resources.library.oh.us' and present LII content within the organization's template rather than your default template. * Add statistics and customization options to taste, bake at 350 for thirty minutes, and serve with vanilla ice cream To most everyone in the world it looks like the organization's own content. Only someone who traceroutes the URL or has Netcraft's browser plugin would notice that it isn't the organization providing the web service. For me that would be a value-added service that I'd consider paying for (if I had a budget to do such things...). Peter On 3/28/06 5:33 PM, K.G. Schneider wrote: The library I've been talking to has said they are interested in showing LII content on their site. I have spoken briefly with their developers and indicated an interest in doing this, and even sent PDFs displaying our table structure internally. In turn, I've asked them what they would expect to see on their site. URLs? Links to LII content? Parsing-in of categories? Mini-descriptions, like titles plus the first ten, sort of like pulling in an RSS feed? - -- Peter Murray http://www.pandc.org/peter/work/ Assistant Director, Multimedia Systems tel:+1-614-728-3600;ext=338 OhioLINK: the Ohio Library and Information Network Columbus, Ohio -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEKeb44+t4qSfPIHIRAlY/AJ0fseYkPaNlQcedWIMSFkTUK3VaggCeOly6 n6mj61aENXbmGxjZfy6+sxs= =HZjL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[CODE4LIB] Web services for LII content?
Well, I'm not sure that's it at all. You folks are smart... help me out here. Wearing my LII hat (http://lii.org ) I have been approached by a library--and had suggestions on our user survey--for something I've wanted to offer from LII as an added value service (as in, we do it and you pay for it) but wasn't able to articulate very well either in execution or in technology. One survey response that I just read said: Develop web services (accessible by subscription) to allow a developer to include some of the LII in an application. The library I've been talking to has said they are interested in showing LII content on their site. I have spoken briefly with their developers and indicated an interest in doing this, and even sent PDFs displaying our table structure internally. In turn, I've asked them what they would expect to see on their site. URLs? Links to LII content? Parsing-in of categories? Mini-descriptions, like titles plus the first ten, sort of like pulling in an RSS feed? If this helps, we generate XML very nicely in LII, through our new CMS (Community Servers, a front end for MySQL), and we have authentication options as well. I can see this being hugely useful for libraries--instead of maintaining lists of local links, display LII links, optionally with or without content--and a way for LII to generate revenue to support what it does, since we are facing a huge budget cut (50%). Our users tell us our content is useful and this is one more way we can be a good business to business service to libraries. It just needs some technical guidance and thinking-through. I really think we could get grant money to do this, too. So, thoughts? Karen G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] A code4lib journal proposal
If the delivery method is purely electronic, and it's a given that the intended audience would have tools to be alerted of new articles, why bother with a formal schedule? -Ross. Because that's how things get written, reviewed, and published. It's not for Them, it's for You. Just my 2 cents as a writer. K.G. Schneider
