Re: [CODE4LIB] At an end : when you rub against your managers
Hi Ed, On 3/9/06, Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucky you! I've had similar problems in non-library settings, so I don't think that the library community is any worse at following software best practices than other communities. Ok, so what you're saying is that is, for me, an isolated incident, and I'd be better off to quit and find somewhere else. I can live with that. :) If they were then there wouldn't be such an appetite for the wisdom you find in Joel on Software, Paul Graham, et al. Hmm, having an appetite doesn't equate that what you're eating is healthy, but yes, I understand your point. :) I'm not sure griping in public like this will help much... I'm not so much griping in public as I'm reaching out to my fellow geeks; I'm pretty sure that I can't be the only one who's battled new things against conservative bastions before. Most of my problems are located within a rather conservative mindset of my managers that I can't seem to get through. I've broken through it in other places, to great success, but the library world, to me, seems inpenetrable. I guess I should have know, Z39.50 and all. :) In my experience I've found that people react best to seeing how a new development process, pattern or technology helps *in practice* rather than *in theory*. I agree, and I've done all that and more, yet nothing changes. If management above you still don't get it, or fight it, then there is nothing left to do, and as such I think I've just concluded that. I'm sorry to leave the library world, but not sorry to leave the mentality. But everyone likes recognition for good work--I'm sorry it sounds like you aren't getting that support. Good luck--and try to focus on one thing at a time...says ADD man. With anything that goes against what you know as good, it won't be classified as 'good'. Anyways, thanks for the input. Regards, Alex -- Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know. - Frank Herbert __ http://shelter.nu/ __
Re: [CODE4LIB] At an end : when you rub against your managers
On 3/8/06, Alexander Johannesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't feel personal gratification or growth here, nor do I feel that my work wants me to grow here either. For me, that would be my answer. My work is the way I pay the bills, but it is also something that I enjoy and that I want to grow through/with. If I'm not contributing to my environment then I must be in the wrong place (for me at least). If I felt what you say you do, I'd ask myself whether I think this feeling is likely to change sometime in the future. If not, well... Is this an insulated incident and I should just be on my merry way, or should I fight it, because, after all, I truly believe in what the potential of the library has got!? You can believe in the library and still be working in a particular library that may not be a good match for you (I know nothing about your particular situation or library). I'd agree with Ed that not all libraries are one way just like not all corporate environments are another. It's all about finding one that matches who you are/what you want to accomplish professionally. That's my opinion anyway... not sure this has anything to do with code. Kevin
Re: [CODE4LIB] At an end : when you rub against your managers
On 3/9/06, Kevin S. Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's my opinion anyway... not sure this has anything to do with code. You're right, it hasn't; it was only geek related in the sense that we probably all face conservativism in liue of new and fancy code. Sorry for the noise, and thanks for the words. I think I know the answers now. Alex -- Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know. - Frank Herbert __ http://shelter.nu/ __
Re: [CODE4LIB] At an end : when you rub against your managers
On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: That's my opinion anyway... not sure this has anything to do with code. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ whois opinions4lib.org NOT FOUND :-) //Ed
