Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
On 10/11/2011 1:45 PM, Mark Jordan wrote: Love the idea, but the form is now throwing a 404 error on submission. Hmm, weird. I'll try to figure out why. I think 404 is what the google CSE gives you if you have a syntax error in your config files, but I don't think I've changed em since it last worked! Very odd. This may end up being too much work to support/maintain for what I was hoping was a implement and forget project, we'll see. There's some kind of lesson in this about something or other.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
Love the idea, but the form is now throwing a 404 error on submission. Any chance it can be fixed? Okay, it's fixed, at http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html But the thing I can't fix, is the Google CSE is _weird_ with what results it finds. It is kind of non-deterministic. You get 10 results for a query one minute, 500k an hour later, and 0 two hours after that. Sometimes you'll get only, say, 10 hits, but if you refine to what should be a subset of those 10 hits, you'll get MORE than 10 hits. I think that's just Google CSE, doesn't work quite as predictably as one might want. Oh well, still perhaps useful.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
Yep -- works now. Thanks for your efforts. Peter On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Love the idea, but the form is now throwing a 404 error on submission. Any chance it can be fixed? Okay, it's fixed, at http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html But the thing I can't fix, is the Google CSE is _weird_ with what results it finds. It is kind of non-deterministic. You get 10 results for a query one minute, 500k an hour later, and 0 two hours after that. Sometimes you'll get only, say, 10 hits, but if you refine to what should be a subset of those 10 hits, you'll get MORE than 10 hits. I think that's just Google CSE, doesn't work quite as predictably as one might want. Oh well, still perhaps useful. -- Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.orgtel:+1-678-235-2955 Ass't Director, Technology Services Development http://dltj.org/about/ LYRASIS --Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers. The Disruptive Library Technology Jesterhttp://dltj.org/ Attrib-Noncomm-Share http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
Love the idea, but the form is now throwing a 404 error on submission. Any chance it can be fixed? Peter On Oct 6, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: So I was in #code4lib, and skome asked about ideas for library hours. And I recalled that there have been at least two articles in the C4L Journal on this topic, so suggested them. Then I realized that there's enough body of work in the Journal to be worth searching there whenever you have an ideas for dealing with X question. You might not find anything, but I think there's enough chance you will, illustrated by that encounter with skome. Then I realized it's not just the journal -- what about a Google Custom Search that searches over the Journal, the Code4Lib wiki, the Code4Lib website, and perhaps most interestinly -- all the sites listed in Planet Code4Lib. Then I made it happen. Cause it seemed interesting and I'm a perfectionist, I even set things up so a cronjob automatically syncs the list of sites in the Planet with the Google custom search every night. The Planet stuff ends up potentially being a lot of noise -- I tried to custom 'boost' stuff from the Journal, but I'm not sure it worked. But I did configure things with facet-like limits including a just the planet limit, if you do want that. But even though it's sometimes a lot of noise, it's also potentially the most interesting/useful part of the search, otherwise it'd pretty much just be a Journal search, but now it includes a bunch of people's blogs, as well as other sites deemed of interest to Code4Lib community (including a couple other open source library tech journals) -- without any extra curatorial work, just using the list already compiled for the Planet. I'm curious what people think of it. Try some searches for library tech questions or information and see how good your results are. If people find this useful, I'll try to include it on the main code4lib.org webpage in some prominent place, spruce up the look and feel etc. (Or try to draft someone else to do that, I think my time to work on this might be _just_ about up after staying until 9.30 hacking on this cause it seemed cool). http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html -- Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.orgtel:+1-678-235-2955 Ass't Director, Technology Services Development http://dltj.org/about/ LYRASIS --Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers. The Disruptive Library Technology Jesterhttp://dltj.org/ Attrib-Noncomm-Share http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
Actually, he asked me about it on Friday and I told him it would be posted soon. I'm meeting with him this afternoon to go over the media stuff so I'll mention it then. Mark Mark Jordan Head of Library Systems W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50 mjor...@sfu.ca - Original Message - Love the idea, but the form is now throwing a 404 error on submission. Any chance it can be fixed? Peter On Oct 6, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: So I was in #code4lib, and skome asked about ideas for library hours. And I recalled that there have been at least two articles in the C4L Journal on this topic, so suggested them. Then I realized that there's enough body of work in the Journal to be worth searching there whenever you have an ideas for dealing with X question. You might not find anything, but I think there's enough chance you will, illustrated by that encounter with skome. Then I realized it's not just the journal -- what about a Google Custom Search that searches over the Journal, the Code4Lib wiki, the Code4Lib website, and perhaps most interestinly -- all the sites listed in Planet Code4Lib. Then I made it happen. Cause it seemed interesting and I'm a perfectionist, I even set things up so a cronjob automatically syncs the list of sites in the Planet with the Google custom search every night. The Planet stuff ends up potentially being a lot of noise -- I tried to custom 'boost' stuff from the Journal, but I'm not sure it worked. But I did configure things with facet-like limits including a just the planet limit, if you do want that. But even though it's sometimes a lot of noise, it's also potentially the most interesting/useful part of the search, otherwise it'd pretty much just be a Journal search, but now it includes a bunch of people's blogs, as well as other sites deemed of interest to Code4Lib community (including a couple other open source library tech journals) -- without any extra curatorial work, just using the list already compiled for the Planet. I'm curious what people think of it. Try some searches for library tech questions or information and see how good your results are. If people find this useful, I'll try to include it on the main code4lib.org webpage in some prominent place, spruce up the look and feel etc. (Or try to draft someone else to do that, I think my time to work on this might be _just_ about up after staying until 9.30 hacking on this cause it seemed cool). http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html -- Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.org tel:+1-678-235-2955 Ass't Director, Technology Services Development http://dltj.org/about/ LYRASIS -- Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers. The Disruptive Library Technology Jester http://dltj.org/ Attrib-Noncomm-Share http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/
[CODE4LIB] I am king of the idiots: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
Sorry everybody, I reponded to the wrong message. #lookuponceinawhile - Original Message - Actually, he asked me about it on Friday and I told him it would be posted soon. I'm meeting with him this afternoon to go over the media stuff so I'll mention it then. Mark Mark Jordan Head of Library Systems W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 / Skype: mark.jordan50 mjor...@sfu.ca - Original Message - Love the idea, but the form is now throwing a 404 error on submission. Any chance it can be fixed? Peter On Oct 6, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: So I was in #code4lib, and skome asked about ideas for library hours. And I recalled that there have been at least two articles in the C4L Journal on this topic, so suggested them. Then I realized that there's enough body of work in the Journal to be worth searching there whenever you have an ideas for dealing with X question. You might not find anything, but I think there's enough chance you will, illustrated by that encounter with skome. Then I realized it's not just the journal -- what about a Google Custom Search that searches over the Journal, the Code4Lib wiki, the Code4Lib website, and perhaps most interestinly -- all the sites listed in Planet Code4Lib. Then I made it happen. Cause it seemed interesting and I'm a perfectionist, I even set things up so a cronjob automatically syncs the list of sites in the Planet with the Google custom search every night. The Planet stuff ends up potentially being a lot of noise -- I tried to custom 'boost' stuff from the Journal, but I'm not sure it worked. But I did configure things with facet-like limits including a just the planet limit, if you do want that. But even though it's sometimes a lot of noise, it's also potentially the most interesting/useful part of the search, otherwise it'd pretty much just be a Journal search, but now it includes a bunch of people's blogs, as well as other sites deemed of interest to Code4Lib community (including a couple other open source library tech journals) -- without any extra curatorial work, just using the list already compiled for the Planet. I'm curious what people think of it. Try some searches for library tech questions or information and see how good your results are. If people find this useful, I'll try to include it on the main code4lib.org webpage in some prominent place, spruce up the look and feel etc. (Or try to draft someone else to do that, I think my time to work on this might be _just_ about up after staying until 9.30 hacking on this cause it seemed cool). http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html -- Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.org tel:+1-678-235-2955 Ass't Director, Technology Services Development http://dltj.org/about/ LYRASIS -- Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers. The Disruptive Library Technology Jester http://dltj.org/ Attrib-Noncomm-Share http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
I agree -- my search results were relevant and therefore -- it's useful!
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
I tried it, I like it, I thank you, Jonathan. Already found something new and interesting. Roy Zimmer Western Michigan University On 10/6/2011 9:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: So I was in #code4lib, and skome asked about ideas for library hours. And I recalled that there have been at least two articles in the C4L Journal on this topic, so suggested them. Then I realized that there's enough body of work in the Journal to be worth searching there whenever you have an ideas for dealing with X question. You might not find anything, but I think there's enough chance you will, illustrated by that encounter with skome. Then I realized it's not just the journal -- what about a Google Custom Search that searches over the Journal, the Code4Lib wiki, the Code4Lib website, and perhaps most interestinly -- all the sites listed in Planet Code4Lib. Then I made it happen. Cause it seemed interesting and I'm a perfectionist, I even set things up so a cronjob automatically syncs the list of sites in the Planet with the Google custom search every night. The Planet stuff ends up potentially being a lot of noise -- I tried to custom 'boost' stuff from the Journal, but I'm not sure it worked. But I did configure things with facet-like limits including a just the planet limit, if you do want that. But even though it's sometimes a lot of noise, it's also potentially the most interesting/useful part of the search, otherwise it'd pretty much just be a Journal search, but now it includes a bunch of people's blogs, as well as other sites deemed of interest to Code4Lib community (including a couple other open source library tech journals) -- without any extra curatorial work, just using the list already compiled for the Planet. I'm curious what people think of it. Try some searches for library tech questions or information and see how good your results are. If people find this useful, I'll try to include it on the main code4lib.org webpage in some prominent place, spruce up the look and feel etc. (Or try to draft someone else to do that, I think my time to work on this might be _just_ about up after staying until 9.30 hacking on this cause it seemed cool). http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
Thanks! Also thanks for the human search engine answers via irc. -skome -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 6:35 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search So I was in #code4lib, and skome asked about ideas for library hours. And I recalled that there have been at least two articles in the C4L Journal on this topic, so suggested them. Then I realized that there's enough body of work in the Journal to be worth searching there whenever you have an ideas for dealing with X question. You might not find anything, but I think there's enough chance you will, illustrated by that encounter with skome. Then I realized it's not just the journal -- what about a Google Custom Search that searches over the Journal, the Code4Lib wiki, the Code4Lib website, and perhaps most interestinly -- all the sites listed in Planet Code4Lib. Then I made it happen. Cause it seemed interesting and I'm a perfectionist, I even set things up so a cronjob automatically syncs the list of sites in the Planet with the Google custom search every night. The Planet stuff ends up potentially being a lot of noise -- I tried to custom 'boost' stuff from the Journal, but I'm not sure it worked. But I did configure things with facet-like limits including a just the planet limit, if you do want that. But even though it's sometimes a lot of noise, it's also potentially the most interesting/useful part of the search, otherwise it'd pretty much just be a Journal search, but now it includes a bunch of people's blogs, as well as other sites deemed of interest to Code4Lib community (including a couple other open source library tech journals) -- without any extra curatorial work, just using the list already compiled for the Planet. I'm curious what people think of it. Try some searches for library tech questions or information and see how good your results are. If people find this useful, I'll try to include it on the main code4lib.org webpage in some prominent place, spruce up the look and feel etc. (Or try to draft someone else to do that, I think my time to work on this might be _just_ about up after staying until 9.30 hacking on this cause it seemed cool). http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html
[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
So I was in #code4lib, and skome asked about ideas for library hours. And I recalled that there have been at least two articles in the C4L Journal on this topic, so suggested them. Then I realized that there's enough body of work in the Journal to be worth searching there whenever you have an ideas for dealing with X question. You might not find anything, but I think there's enough chance you will, illustrated by that encounter with skome. Then I realized it's not just the journal -- what about a Google Custom Search that searches over the Journal, the Code4Lib wiki, the Code4Lib website, and perhaps most interestinly -- all the sites listed in Planet Code4Lib. Then I made it happen. Cause it seemed interesting and I'm a perfectionist, I even set things up so a cronjob automatically syncs the list of sites in the Planet with the Google custom search every night. The Planet stuff ends up potentially being a lot of noise -- I tried to custom 'boost' stuff from the Journal, but I'm not sure it worked. But I did configure things with facet-like limits including a just the planet limit, if you do want that. But even though it's sometimes a lot of noise, it's also potentially the most interesting/useful part of the search, otherwise it'd pretty much just be a Journal search, but now it includes a bunch of people's blogs, as well as other sites deemed of interest to Code4Lib community (including a couple other open source library tech journals) -- without any extra curatorial work, just using the list already compiled for the Planet. I'm curious what people think of it. Try some searches for library tech questions or information and see how good your results are. If people find this useful, I'll try to include it on the main code4lib.org webpage in some prominent place, spruce up the look and feel etc. (Or try to draft someone else to do that, I think my time to work on this might be _just_ about up after staying until 9.30 hacking on this cause it seemed cool). http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
(PS: Thanks a lot to ryan wick for spending time helping to get a reasonable ruby environment installed on the code4lib.org server, so I could then get my scripting done quickly and pleasantly.) On 10/6/2011 9:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: So I was in #code4lib, and skome asked about ideas for library hours. And I recalled that there have been at least two articles in the C4L Journal on this topic, so suggested them. Then I realized that there's enough body of work in the Journal to be worth searching there whenever you have an ideas for dealing with X question. You might not find anything, but I think there's enough chance you will, illustrated by that encounter with skome. Then I realized it's not just the journal -- what about a Google Custom Search that searches over the Journal, the Code4Lib wiki, the Code4Lib website, and perhaps most interestinly -- all the sites listed in Planet Code4Lib. Then I made it happen. Cause it seemed interesting and I'm a perfectionist, I even set things up so a cronjob automatically syncs the list of sites in the Planet with the Google custom search every night. The Planet stuff ends up potentially being a lot of noise -- I tried to custom 'boost' stuff from the Journal, but I'm not sure it worked. But I did configure things with facet-like limits including a just the planet limit, if you do want that. But even though it's sometimes a lot of noise, it's also potentially the most interesting/useful part of the search, otherwise it'd pretty much just be a Journal search, but now it includes a bunch of people's blogs, as well as other sites deemed of interest to Code4Lib community (including a couple other open source library tech journals) -- without any extra curatorial work, just using the list already compiled for the Planet. I'm curious what people think of it. Try some searches for library tech questions or information and see how good your results are. If people find this useful, I'll try to include it on the main code4lib.org webpage in some prominent place, spruce up the look and feel etc. (Or try to draft someone else to do that, I think my time to work on this might be _just_ about up after staying until 9.30 hacking on this cause it seemed cool). http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
jrochkind++ # very cool, and wickr++ # for the assist. beyond my personal use, this will be my first suggestion for a lot of my colleagues' questions/etc. cheers. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: (PS: Thanks a lot to ryan wick for spending time helping to get a reasonable ruby environment installed on the code4lib.org server, so I could then get my scripting done quickly and pleasantly.) On 10/6/2011 9:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: So I was in #code4lib, and skome asked about ideas for library hours. And I recalled that there have been at least two articles in the C4L Journal on this topic, so suggested them. Then I realized that there's enough body of work in the Journal to be worth searching there whenever you have an ideas for dealing with X question. You might not find anything, but I think there's enough chance you will, illustrated by that encounter with skome. Then I realized it's not just the journal -- what about a Google Custom Search that searches over the Journal, the Code4Lib wiki, the Code4Lib website, and perhaps most interestinly -- all the sites listed in Planet Code4Lib. Then I made it happen. Cause it seemed interesting and I'm a perfectionist, I even set things up so a cronjob automatically syncs the list of sites in the Planet with the Google custom search every night. The Planet stuff ends up potentially being a lot of noise -- I tried to custom 'boost' stuff from the Journal, but I'm not sure it worked. But I did configure things with facet-like limits including a just the planet limit, if you do want that. But even though it's sometimes a lot of noise, it's also potentially the most interesting/useful part of the search, otherwise it'd pretty much just be a Journal search, but now it includes a bunch of people's blogs, as well as other sites deemed of interest to Code4Lib community (including a couple other open source library tech journals) -- without any extra curatorial work, just using the list already compiled for the Planet. I'm curious what people think of it. Try some searches for library tech questions or information and see how good your results are. If people find this useful, I'll try to include it on the main code4lib.org webpage in some prominent place, spruce up the look and feel etc. (Or try to draft someone else to do that, I think my time to work on this might be _just_ about up after staying until 9.30 hacking on this cause it seemed cool). http://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community google custom search
Nice job Jonathan - my first test search seemed to bring back rather relevant materials with the first coming from the journal: http://www.google.com/cse?cref=http%3A%2F%2Fcode4lib.org%2Ftest%2Fgoogle_cse_context.xmlq=virtual+referencesa=Searchsiteurl=www.code4lib.org%2Fcustom_search%2Fsearch_form.html#gsc.tab=0gsc.q=virtual%20referencegsc.page=1 Very cool and very useful Andrew On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: So I was in #code4lib, and skome asked about ideas for library hours. And I recalled that there have been at least two articles in the C4L Journal on this topic, so suggested them. Then I realized that there's enough body of work in the Journal to be worth searching there whenever you have an ideas for dealing with X question. You might not find anything, but I think there's enough chance you will, illustrated by that encounter with skome. Then I realized it's not just the journal -- what about a Google Custom Search that searches over the Journal, the Code4Lib wiki, the Code4Lib website, and perhaps most interestinly -- all the sites listed in Planet Code4Lib. Then I made it happen. Cause it seemed interesting and I'm a perfectionist, I even set things up so a cronjob automatically syncs the list of sites in the Planet with the Google custom search every night. The Planet stuff ends up potentially being a lot of noise -- I tried to custom 'boost' stuff from the Journal, but I'm not sure it worked. But I did configure things with facet-like limits including a just the planet limit, if you do want that. But even though it's sometimes a lot of noise, it's also potentially the most interesting/useful part of the search, otherwise it'd pretty much just be a Journal search, but now it includes a bunch of people's blogs, as well as other sites deemed of interest to Code4Lib community (including a couple other open source library tech journals) -- without any extra curatorial work, just using the list already compiled for the Planet. I'm curious what people think of it. Try some searches for library tech questions or information and see how good your results are. If people find this useful, I'll try to include it on the main code4lib.org webpage in some prominent place, spruce up the look and feel etc. (Or try to draft someone else to do that, I think my time to work on this might be _just_ about up after staying until 9.30 hacking on this cause it seemed cool). http://www.code4lib.org/**custom_search/search_form.htmlhttp://www.code4lib.org/custom_search/search_form.html
