Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Kari R Smith]

All,
You might also post this question to the BitCurator User Group - dealing with 
digital forensics, media migration, and emulation for access to files from 
older OS.  https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/bitcurator-users

Also, the bwFLA emulation as a service that is available from the University of 
Freiburg is worth looking into as well.  http://bw-fla.uni-freiburg.de/

Kari

Kari R. Smith, Digital Archivist
MIT Libraries, Institute Archives and Special Collections
617-258-5568  |   smithkr (at) mit.edu
http://libraries.mit.edu/archives/

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard 
Sarvas
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:59 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

For data transfer between old virtual Mac drive volumes (and CDs) , I used to 
use a free program called "HFSExplorer" on Windows, but being written in JAVA 
it might work on other platforms. The source code appears to be available for 
download as well.

http://www.catacombae.org/hfsexplorer/

Another option might be to create an old Windows NT or 2000 system with 
"Services for Macintosh" installed to directly read old Mac drives or to 
connect legacy Mac hardware over a network.


Rick

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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Schmitz 
Fuhrig, Lynda
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:04 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

Typically we are trying to access the data and transfer it for preservation 
work. There could be cases though where the data will need to be in the 
emulated environment in order to replay. We can't always predict what types of 
records we are going to get from across the Institution. We have encountered 
CDs and diskettes that will only read in the OS 9 environment and won't even be 
recognized in OS 10.x.

Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
Electronic Records Archivist
Digital Services Division
Smithsonian Institution Archives
Capital Gallery Building
600 Maryland Ave SW
Suite 3000
MRC 507
Washington, DC 20024-2520

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-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard 
Sarvas
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:37 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

Lynda,
Do you need to use the data on the file system in an emulated environment or 
are you just trying to access the data on the file system created by OS9?


Rick


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Kyle 
Banerjee
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 1:38 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda < 
schmitzfuhr...@si.edu> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses.
>
> We actually need to read media within it so Virtual Box would not work 
> for us.
>

Could you say a bit more about your use case? Some applications such as dealing 
with archival materials might actually require actual hardware in which case 
ebay may be the best option.

kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Richard Sarvas]

For data transfer between old virtual Mac drive volumes (and CDs) , I used to 
use a free program called "HFSExplorer" on Windows, but being written in JAVA 
it might work on other platforms. The source code appears to be available for 
download as well.

http://www.catacombae.org/hfsexplorer/

Another option might be to create an old Windows NT or 2000 system with 
"Services for Macintosh" installed to directly read old Mac drives or to 
connect legacy Mac hardware over a network.


Rick

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Schmitz 
Fuhrig, Lynda
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:04 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

Typically we are trying to access the data and transfer it for preservation 
work. There could be cases though where the data will need to be in the 
emulated environment in order to replay. We can't always predict what types of 
records we are going to get from across the Institution. We have encountered 
CDs and diskettes that will only read in the OS 9 environment and won't even be 
recognized in OS 10.x.

Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
Electronic Records Archivist
Digital Services Division
Smithsonian Institution Archives
Capital Gallery Building
600 Maryland Ave SW
Suite 3000
MRC 507
Washington, DC 20024-2520

siarchives.si.edu | @SmithsonianArch | Facebook | e-newsletter

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-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard 
Sarvas
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:37 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

Lynda,
Do you need to use the data on the file system in an emulated environment or 
are you just trying to access the data on the file system created by OS9?


Rick


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Kyle 
Banerjee
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 1:38 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda < 
schmitzfuhr...@si.edu> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses.
>
> We actually need to read media within it so Virtual Box would not work 
> for us.
>

Could you say a bit more about your use case? Some applications such as dealing 
with archival materials might actually require actual hardware in which case 
ebay may be the best option.

kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Cary Gordon]

Prior to the iMac in 1998, Apple used a proprietary drive system — FDHD — that 
can’t, AFAIK, be emulated.

Cary

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda  
> wrote:
> 
> Typically we are trying to access the data and transfer it for preservation 
> work. There could be cases though where the data will need to be in the 
> emulated environment in order to replay. We can't always predict what types 
> of records we are going to get from across the Institution. We have 
> encountered CDs and diskettes that will only read in the OS 9 environment and 
> won't even be recognized in OS 10.x.
> 
> Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
> Electronic Records Archivist
> Digital Services Division
> Smithsonian Institution Archives
> Capital Gallery Building
> 600 Maryland Ave SW
> Suite 3000
> MRC 507
> Washington, DC 20024-2520
> 
> siarchives.si.edu | @SmithsonianArch | Facebook | e-newsletter
> 
> A gift in support of the Archives will help make more of our collections 
> accessible!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Sarvas
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:37 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator
> 
> Lynda,
> Do you need to use the data on the file system in an emulated environment or 
> are you just trying to access the data on the file system created by OS9?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Kyle 
> Banerjee
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 1:38 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator
> 
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda < 
> schmitzfuhr...@si.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the responses.
>> 
>> We actually need to read media within it so Virtual Box would not work 
>> for us.
>> 
> 
> Could you say a bit more about your use case? Some applications such as 
> dealing with archival materials might actually require actual hardware in 
> which case ebay may be the best option.
> 
> kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda]

Typically we are trying to access the data and transfer it for preservation 
work. There could be cases though where the data will need to be in the 
emulated environment in order to replay. We can't always predict what types of 
records we are going to get from across the Institution. We have encountered 
CDs and diskettes that will only read in the OS 9 environment and won't even be 
recognized in OS 10.x.

Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
Electronic Records Archivist
Digital Services Division
Smithsonian Institution Archives
Capital Gallery Building
600 Maryland Ave SW
Suite 3000
MRC 507
Washington, DC 20024-2520

siarchives.si.edu | @SmithsonianArch | Facebook | e-newsletter

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-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard 
Sarvas
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:37 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

Lynda,
Do you need to use the data on the file system in an emulated environment or 
are you just trying to access the data on the file system created by OS9?


Rick


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Kyle 
Banerjee
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 1:38 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda < 
schmitzfuhr...@si.edu> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses.
>
> We actually need to read media within it so Virtual Box would not work 
> for us.
>

Could you say a bit more about your use case? Some applications such as dealing 
with archival materials might actually require actual hardware in which case 
ebay may be the best option.

kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Richard Sarvas]

Lynda,
Do you need to use the data on the file system in an emulated environment or 
are you just trying to access the data on the file system created by OS9?


Rick


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Kyle 
Banerjee
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 1:38 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda < 
schmitzfuhr...@si.edu> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses.
>
> We actually need to read media within it so Virtual Box would not work 
> for us.
>

Could you say a bit more about your use case? Some applications such as dealing 
with archival materials might actually require actual hardware in which case 
ebay may be the best option.

kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Kyle Banerjee]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda <
schmitzfuhr...@si.edu> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses.
>
> We actually need to read media within it so Virtual Box would not work for
> us.
>

Could you say a bit more about your use case? Some applications such as
dealing with archival materials might actually require actual hardware in
which case ebay may be the best option.

kyle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda]

Thanks for the responses.

We actually need to read media within it so Virtual Box would not work for us.

Lynda

Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
Electronic Records Archivist
Digital Services Division
Smithsonian Institution Archives
Capital Gallery Building
600 Maryland Ave SW
Suite 3000
MRC 507
Washington, DC 20024-2520

siarchives.si.edu | @SmithsonianArch | Facebook | e-newsletter

A gift in support of the Archives will help make more of our collections 
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-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Francis 
Kayiwa
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 3:27 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

On 4/22/15 3:19 PM, Bryan Baldus wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:54 PM, Matt Sherman wrote:
>> Why would you not just run an instance in Virtual Box?
>
> Does Virtual Box support Mac OS 9 now? I haven't kept up on developments 
> recently, but in the first few results in Googling "virtualbox Mac os 9" 
> (without the quotes), it doesn't appear to be so ([1], [2]), though they are 
> from 2008-2012.
>

This was my first reaction but I am too lazy to dig into it. I do know Virtual 
Box et. al., by default think we all live in an x86 world and while I've used 
Power et. al., with the aforementioned tools I've always found them wanting in 
a way that qemu (another painful recommendation) and sheepshaver were not.

Cheers,
./fxk



> SheepShaver [3] would be my suggestion (though as I said, it's been a 
> few years since I've kept track of developments)
>
> [1] http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7528
> [2] https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9635
> [3] http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver
>
> I hope this helps,



--
You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier to 
do.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Francis Kayiwa]

On 4/22/15 3:19 PM, Bryan Baldus wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:54 PM, Matt Sherman wrote:

Why would you not just run an instance in Virtual Box?


Does Virtual Box support Mac OS 9 now? I haven't kept up on developments recently, but in 
the first few results in Googling "virtualbox Mac os 9" (without the quotes), 
it doesn't appear to be so ([1], [2]), though they are from 2008-2012.



This was my first reaction but I am too lazy to dig into it. I do know 
Virtual Box et. al., by default think we all live in an x86 world and 
while I've used Power et. al., with the aforementioned tools I've always 
found them wanting in a way that qemu (another painful recommendation) 
and sheepshaver were not.


Cheers,
./fxk




SheepShaver [3] would be my suggestion (though as I said, it's been a few years 
since I've kept track of developments)

[1] http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7528
[2] https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9635
[3] http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver

I hope this helps,




--
You'll wish that you had done some of the hard things when they were easier
to do.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Steven Anderson]

+1 to the Sheepshaver suggestion. It is what Emory University used to emulate 
Salmon Rushdie's old Mac computers (some of the information on that process is 
mentioned in: https://open.library.emory.edu/publications/emory:cksgv/pdf).
Sincerely,Steven AndersonBoston Public Library

> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:10:24 -0700
> From: listu...@chillco.com
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> 
> I agree that using one of the free VirtualBox or VMWare images would cover 
> most needs. Other than some software that might be protected by 
> hardware-based security, everything should run on them.
> 
> Cary
> 
> 
> > On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Matt Sherman  wrote:
> > 
> > Why would you not just run an instance in Virtual Box?
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda <
> > schmitzfuhr...@si.edu> wrote:
> > 
> >> Hello all,
> >> Can anyone recommend a Mac OS 9 emulator that can run off 10.6.x machine
> >> or later?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Lynda
> >> 
> >> Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
> >> Electronic Records Archivist
> >> Digital Services Division
> >> Smithsonian Institution Archives
> >> Capital Gallery Building
> >> 600 Maryland Ave SW
> >> Suite 3000
> >> MRC 507
> >> Washington, DC 20024-2520
> >> 
> >> siarchives.si.edu<http://siarchives.si.edu/> | @SmithsonianArch<
> >> https://twitter.com/smithsonianarch> | Facebook<
> >> https://www.facebook.com/SmithsonianInstitutionArchives> | e-newsletter<
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> >>> 
> >> 
> >> A gift<
> >> http://siarchives.si.edu/about/donate-smithsonian-institution-archives>
> >> in support of the Archives will help make more of our collections
> >> accessible!
> >> 
  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Bryan Baldus]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:54 PM, Matt Sherman wrote:
>Why would you not just run an instance in Virtual Box?

Does Virtual Box support Mac OS 9 now? I haven't kept up on developments 
recently, but in the first few results in Googling "virtualbox Mac os 9" 
(without the quotes), it doesn't appear to be so ([1], [2]), though they are 
from 2008-2012.

SheepShaver [3] would be my suggestion (though as I said, it's been a few years 
since I've kept track of developments)

[1] http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7528
[2] https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9635
[3] http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver

I hope this helps,

Bryan Baldus
Senior Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
1-800-323-4241x402
bryan.bal...@quality-books.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Cary Gordon]

I agree that using one of the free VirtualBox or VMWare images would cover most 
needs. Other than some software that might be protected by hardware-based 
security, everything should run on them.

Cary


> On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Matt Sherman  wrote:
> 
> Why would you not just run an instance in Virtual Box?
> 
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda <
> schmitzfuhr...@si.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> Can anyone recommend a Mac OS 9 emulator that can run off 10.6.x machine
>> or later?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Lynda
>> 
>> Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
>> Electronic Records Archivist
>> Digital Services Division
>> Smithsonian Institution Archives
>> Capital Gallery Building
>> 600 Maryland Ave SW
>> Suite 3000
>> MRC 507
>> Washington, DC 20024-2520
>> 
>> siarchives.si.edu | @SmithsonianArch<
>> https://twitter.com/smithsonianarch> | Facebook<
>> https://www.facebook.com/SmithsonianInstitutionArchives> | e-newsletter<
>> http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/manage/optin/ea?v=0010Oqxbncv4WpyheEee3Q9DHdF_192SxMMIWgsXuMG1qJ5yKPErzu0TI5d4qyMxK4iLMccSoQG5ck%3D
>>> 
>> 
>> A gift<
>> http://siarchives.si.edu/about/donate-smithsonian-institution-archives>
>> in support of the Archives will help make more of our collections
>> accessible!
>> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Francis Kayiwa]

On 4/22/15 2:50 PM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda wrote:

Hello all,
Can anyone recommend a Mac OS 9 emulator that can run off 10.6.x machine or 
later?



Try the Sheepshaver. I've had loads of painful success with it. Yes I 
said painful. ;-)


http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver

./fxk



Thanks,
Lynda

Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
Electronic Records Archivist
Digital Services Division
Smithsonian Institution Archives
Capital Gallery Building
600 Maryland Ave SW
Suite 3000
MRC 507
Washington, DC 20024-2520

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@SmithsonianArch | 
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Matt Sherman]

Why would you not just run an instance in Virtual Box?

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda <
schmitzfuhr...@si.edu> wrote:

> Hello all,
> Can anyone recommend a Mac OS 9 emulator that can run off 10.6.x machine
> or later?
>
> Thanks,
> Lynda
>
> Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
> Electronic Records Archivist
> Digital Services Division
> Smithsonian Institution Archives
> Capital Gallery Building
> 600 Maryland Ave SW
> Suite 3000
> MRC 507
> Washington, DC 20024-2520
>
> siarchives.si.edu | @SmithsonianArch<
> https://twitter.com/smithsonianarch> | Facebook<
> https://www.facebook.com/SmithsonianInstitutionArchives> | e-newsletter<
> http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/manage/optin/ea?v=0010Oqxbncv4WpyheEee3Q9DHdF_192SxMMIWgsXuMG1qJ5yKPErzu0TI5d4qyMxK4iLMccSoQG5ck%3D
> >
>
> A gift<
> http://siarchives.si.edu/about/donate-smithsonian-institution-archives>
> in support of the Archives will help make more of our collections
> accessible!
>

[CODE4LIB] Mac OS 9 emulator

[Schmitz Fuhrig, Lynda]

Hello all,
Can anyone recommend a Mac OS 9 emulator that can run off 10.6.x machine or 
later?

Thanks,
Lynda

Lynda Schmitz Fuhrig
Electronic Records Archivist
Digital Services Division
Smithsonian Institution Archives
Capital Gallery Building
600 Maryland Ave SW
Suite 3000
MRC 507
Washington, DC 20024-2520

siarchives.si.edu | 
@SmithsonianArch | 
Facebook | 
e-newsletter

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