Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
mlsSnobbery-- johnathanRochkind++ --- David Cloutman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:14 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions The Code4Lib community has from the start never ever been concerned about who has credentials as a librarian, and as far as most of us are concerned never will be. We are a community of people who write code and deal with technology for the library sector, we don't care about what degrees you have. As far as I'm concerned anyway. Jonathan John Fereira wrote: Alexander Johannesen wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel self-conscious about seeing posts reflected in the planet that are not related to library technology, only because I'm not willing to break up my blog into sub-blogs and don't know if oysters and pace layering really go together for the planet. Ouch, I suspect a conversation next about what fits the code4lib planet moniker. Does my technology rants that don't bash MARC fit? Does Topic Maps fit, even if libraries don't use them but they are a perfect fit? Posts about philosophical aspects of the code we make? Or the epistemological musings of workflows? Lest not forget that the human aspect of the library profession is what makes librarians so great ... How about posts from someone that works in and writes code for a library (for the past 11 years) but is not a librarian. -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
Alexander Johannesen wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel self-conscious about seeing posts reflected in the planet that are not related to library technology, only because I'm not willing to break up my blog into sub-blogs and don't know if oysters and pace layering really go together for the planet. Ouch, I suspect a conversation next about what fits the code4lib planet moniker. Does my technology rants that don't bash MARC fit? Does Topic Maps fit, even if libraries don't use them but they are a perfect fit? Posts about philosophical aspects of the code we make? Or the epistemological musings of workflows? Lest not forget that the human aspect of the library profession is what makes librarians so great ... How about posts from someone that works in and writes code for a library (for the past 11 years) but is not a librarian.
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
The Code4Lib community has from the start never ever been concerned about who has credentials as a librarian, and as far as most of us are concerned never will be. We are a community of people who write code and deal with technology for the library sector, we don't care about what degrees you have. As far as I'm concerned anyway. Jonathan John Fereira wrote: Alexander Johannesen wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel self-conscious about seeing posts reflected in the planet that are not related to library technology, only because I'm not willing to break up my blog into sub-blogs and don't know if oysters and pace layering really go together for the planet. Ouch, I suspect a conversation next about what fits the code4lib planet moniker. Does my technology rants that don't bash MARC fit? Does Topic Maps fit, even if libraries don't use them but they are a perfect fit? Posts about philosophical aspects of the code we make? Or the epistemological musings of workflows? Lest not forget that the human aspect of the library profession is what makes librarians so great ... How about posts from someone that works in and writes code for a library (for the past 11 years) but is not a librarian. -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
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I accidentally sent my reply just to Jonathan, and thus his reply came to me directly. I agree with Johnathan on his things that annoy him. Anyway, I'm inclined to go for some self policing here and say that we should ask everyone that has a blog on Planet Code4lib to evaluate how often their posts are on topic. If it is a majority of the time, then they should do nothing. If it is only occasionally, they should set up a feed based on a tag or category and send the information to Johnathan or Antonio to edit (assuming Antonio is going to be helping out). I also think that if there are some blogs as 1) Identified as being mostly off topic, and 2) by people who are not actively (If at all ) involved in the community, that they should be contacted and ask the if the mind being removed or if they would set up a category feed as described above. Edward - still doesn't like 115 pages of text on his browser Original Message Subject:Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 00:55:46 -0400 From: Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a good point. I think participation in the community is important in addition to content. I actually DO think that the vast majority of feeds included have more 'on topic' posts than 'off topic' though. And I read the planet regularly myself. For the most part, I am happy with the content. I will admit that the feeds that irrititate me the most are the ones that do ALL (not just one) of: 1) Have very long posts and/or very frequent posts 2) have very very few posts I consider 'on topic', and 3) Are not from people who participate in this community much at all, as far as I know (I could be wrong). I am happy to include sub-feeds from any blog-writer that would like me to include a sub-feed, feel free to let me know. I would not like obligating blog posters who want to be in a feed to use any particular 'tag', or even 'tags' at all on their blog. I am fine with a certain amount of non topical content, and agree that a _certain amount_, when from people who participate in one way or another in the community, can even be nice. Within bounds. Jonathan Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/21/08 5:41 PM On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one other than me is managing it at present. Pretty much the only 'management' I do is adding blogs whenever someone asks me too. (I also did just a bit of fine-tuning of the CSS for the html version). I think it may be the planet software that decides what order to display lastname and firstname, but feel free to email me ones that are displaying oddly, and I'll see if I can fix them. I'm not going to get into serious hacking of the planet software though, or replacing it with other software (I _maybe_ could be convinced to upgrade it if there's an upgrade available). (if anyone else wants to do any of that stuff, raise your hand on the list, and we can probably get you access). An unanswered question is when or if the community ever expects me to _remove_ blogs from the planet. It's not clear. I don't want to remove them if people are going to see it as an abuse of power or something, as some have indicated they would. (Most could probably care less either way). Other blogs people have suggested I remove from the code4lib aggregator, as consisting of mainly nontopical content for code4lib, are Mark Lindner and Meredith Farkas. I guess say so if you'd like to LEAVE those on the aggregator, and if nobody says so, I'll leave them. If someone does say so... then I have no idea. :) If we were voting, I'd say remove them. While I enjoy Meredith's blog, it is rather off topic. Of course the problem is this is a slippery slope. Probably 90% of the blogs have more off-topic posts then on topic (mine included). However, I also think this comes to community. If Meredith regularly participated in code4lib, I'd say keep her. So, I guess what I'm saying is content is not the only criteria in my mind (although it is an important one). Edward Jonathan Jodi Schneider wrote: I'm a big fan of the planet aggregator. Normally I make suggestions on #code4lib. However, Jonathan Rochkind asked me to bring them up onlist this time. (Who besides Jonathan is managing the planet at present?) (1) Bjorn Tipling suggested removing him, since he's going to focus on politics: Some of the places where my blog is being tracked, such as code4lib and netlamers, might want to look at whether or not they want to continue to follow me. http://bjorn.tipling.com/2008/05/17/blog-pundits/ Can we remove his blog please? (2) I'd really like a changelog--which might further justify adding/dropping blogs without discussion. (3) Could we please label blogs consistently? For individuals, we have mostly lastname, firstname with a few firstname lastname. Either way works. But the mixture rankles (sad, I know
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
Truncated posts is controversial enough that I would think I won't be doing it. Some of MJ's ideas sound really good as interface ideas. I probably wont' personally be hacking the planetplanet software to do it though. If someone else wants to, raise your hand! I will try to find time to upgrade to the latest version of planetplanet, that Keven Clarke alerts us is available and called 'venus'. Perhaps it already has those features. Not sure when I'll get to it though--if someone else wants to work on installing the new software, raise your hand. :) Jonathan MJ Ray wrote: Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Other blogs people have suggested I remove from the code4lib aggregator, as consisting of mainly nontopical content for code4lib, are Mark Lindner and Meredith Farkas. I guess say so if you'd like to LEAVE those on the aggregator, and if nobody says so, I'll leave them. If someone does say so... then I have no idea. :) Contact the authors and ask them if it's OK to remove them? If not, bring it to the list and let people scratch their heads. By the way, I'd be disappointed to see truncated posts, but there are other options:- 1. constrain posts to a maximum size with CSS like on planet sysadmin http://www.sysadminblogs.com/planet/ 2. add a Javascript Hide Author to the template like on planet debian http://planet.debian.net/ 3. add Skip to next links to the top of each post (not seen this done on planetplanet sites yet) Any of those float the truncation-advocates' boat? Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237 -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My advice at this point would be to identify the editor(s) of planet.code4lib.org in the page itself (like it is displayed at http://planetcataloguing.org/) and to empower the editor(s) to adjust things as needed. The editors can then go about the business of managing the planet in the way that best suits them. +1 Kevin -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better.
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
+1 here too. And -1 on the idea of requiring authors to use some kind of tag. I read the planet to find out what the code4lib people I know are up to. I don't mind that it's not all strictly related to coding, libraries and/or the number 4. --lbjay On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Kevin S. Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My advice at this point would be to identify the editor(s) of planet.code4lib.org in the page itself (like it is displayed at http://planetcataloguing.org/) and to empower the editor(s) to adjust things as needed. The editors can then go about the business of managing the planet in the way that best suits them. +1 Kevin -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better.
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
My advice at this point would be to identify the editor(s) of planet.code4lib.org in the page itself (like it is displayed at http://planetcataloguing.org/) and to empower the editor(s) to adjust things as needed. The editors can then go about the business of managing the planet in the way that best suits them. +1 , as a blog author who would prefer not to have to flag her content for a feed she didn't design (Hi, we created this feed. Now, we don't like everything you write! Well, then don't aggregate it...). Karen S.
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
+1 I also don't want to have to remember to tag my posts - I have 4 blogs to manage as it is! Nicole On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:46 PM, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My advice at this point would be to identify the editor(s) of planet.code4lib.org in the page itself (like it is displayed at http://planetcataloguing.org/) and to empower the editor(s) to adjust things as needed. The editors can then go about the business of managing the planet in the way that best suits them. +1 , as a blog author who would prefer not to have to flag her content for a feed she didn't design (Hi, we created this feed. Now, we don't like everything you write! Well, then don't aggregate it...). Karen S. -- Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
I wonder if the planet can be configured to display only blog posts that have certain tag(s)? As someone who has an omnibus blog, I'd like that and would certainly be willing to tag what I consider to be relevant posts. You might want to define the tag well enough that we know when to apply it. K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
K.G. Schneider wrote: I wonder if the planet can be configured to display only blog posts that have certain tag(s)? As someone who has an omnibus blog, I'd like that and would certainly be willing to tag what I consider to be relevant posts. You might want to define the tag well enough that we know when to apply it. K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] It should be easy enough to do this with most blogging software. For example, before I migrated my blog, the feed on Planet Code4Lib used the RSS feed for a specific category (I think it was either library or technology but I forget). I'm not sure how all blog software works, but I assume most of them can set up an RSS feed based on category or tag. In those situations, the Planet Code4Lib can be configured to just use those feeds. Edward
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
At the risk of being forward, might I suggest we tag what we consider relevant posts with the term code4lib (no quotes)? (Wordpress does indeed support tagging, and I've even generated tag clouds. I have some questions about the theme I'm using and whether it interferes with tagging, but I am certainly willing to experiment and if need be even change themes -- mine has poor SEO optimization, methinks.) K.G. Schneider On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:29:08 -0400, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: K.G. Schneider wrote: I wonder if the planet can be configured to display only blog posts that have certain tag(s)? As someone who has an omnibus blog, I'd like that and would certainly be willing to tag what I consider to be relevant posts. You might want to define the tag well enough that we know when to apply it. K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] It should be easy enough to do this with most blogging software. For example, before I migrated my blog, the feed on Planet Code4Lib used the RSS feed for a specific category (I think it was either library or technology but I forget). I'm not sure how all blog software works, but I assume most of them can set up an RSS feed based on category or tag. In those situations, the Planet Code4Lib can be configured to just use those feeds. Edward
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 22, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: I wonder if the planet can be configured to display only blog posts that have certain tag(s)? It should be easy enough to do this with most blogging software. It is easy enough to do with most blog software, but I think MovableType is the big outlier. When I set up part of Lorcan's blog to go through the LibrarySOA planet aggregator (http://librarysoa.dltj.org/ ), I had to run his feed through Yahoo Pipes to pick of just the categories I wanted: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=rtYodYEe3BG6g7sVJhOy0Q Peter - -- Peter Murrayhttp://www.pandc.org/peter/work/ Assistant Director, New Service Development tel:+1-614-728-3600;ext=338 OhioLINK: the Ohio Library and Information NetworkColumbus, Ohio The Disruptive Library Technology Jesterhttp://dltj.org/ Attrib-Noncomm-Share http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFINW1/4+t4qSfPIHIRAlmeAJ9+4GQ5JNXe65Bbn01QEchUrcIOEgCfUyLB 0E1NmUm+vEvwskKT494rGfY= =ApGf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
Peter Murray wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I agree with Kevin's disagreement. Truncating the web display would be okay, but truncating the content in the aggregator's feed would / not/ be a good idea. I'd be OK with not truncating the feed, and only truncating the Web display. A Web page that when printed would be 115 pages is just way to long (I just did a print preview!) Edward Peter On May 21, 2008, at 6:24 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (4) Automatically truncate posts after X words. I hope we don't do this. I really like being able to read the post in my feed rather than having to click through to read it. - -- Peter Murrayhttp://www.pandc.org/peter/work/ Assistant Director, New Service Development tel:+1-614-728-3600;ext=338 OhioLINK: the Ohio Library and Information NetworkColumbus, Ohio The Disruptive Library Technology Jesterhttp://dltj.org/ Attrib-Noncomm-Share http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFINWwo4+t4qSfPIHIRAqKnAKC3RQIK/0EwMm+Dtv3I9z8LgVvz0ACeM7Zv ZcC0dpix3fRTsZdXDv9dqeM= =Lzgj -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
Hand raised. I'll help you out Jonathan. Antonio -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:31 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions No one other than me is managing it at present. Pretty much the only 'management' I do is adding blogs whenever someone asks me too. (I also did just a bit of fine-tuning of the CSS for the html version). I think it may be the planet software that decides what order to display lastname and firstname, but feel free to email me ones that are displaying oddly, and I'll see if I can fix them. I'm not going to get into serious hacking of the planet software though, or replacing it with other software (I _maybe_ could be convinced to upgrade it if there's an upgrade available). (if anyone else wants to do any of that stuff, raise your hand on the list, and we can probably get you access). An unanswered question is when or if the community ever expects me to _remove_ blogs from the planet. It's not clear. I don't want to remove them if people are going to see it as an abuse of power or something, as some have indicated they would. (Most could probably care less either way). Other blogs people have suggested I remove from the code4lib aggregator, as consisting of mainly nontopical content for code4lib, are Mark Lindner and Meredith Farkas. I guess say so if you'd like to LEAVE those on the aggregator, and if nobody says so, I'll leave them. If someone does say so... then I have no idea. :) Jonathan Jodi Schneider wrote: I'm a big fan of the planet aggregator. Normally I make suggestions on #code4lib. However, Jonathan Rochkind asked me to bring them up onlist this time. (Who besides Jonathan is managing the planet at present?) (1) Bjorn Tipling suggested removing him, since he's going to focus on politics: Some of the places where my blog is being tracked, such as code4lib and netlamers, might want to look at whether or not they want to continue to follow me. http://bjorn.tipling.com/2008/05/17/blog-pundits/ Can we remove his blog please? (2) I'd really like a changelog--which might further justify adding/dropping blogs without discussion. (3) Could we please label blogs consistently? For individuals, we have mostly lastname, firstname with a few firstname lastname. Either way works. But the mixture rankles (sad, I know!). Thanks! -Jodi Jodi Schneider Science Library Specialist Amherst College 413-542-2076 -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
On May 22, 2008, at 8:50 AM, K.G. Schneider wrote: At the risk of being forward, might I suggest we tag what we consider relevant posts with the term code4lib (no quotes)? ... This would definitely take care of wide-ranging blogs that include code4lib-ish content. --- Birkin James Diana Programmer, Integrated Technology Services Brown University Library [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bspace.us/notes/tags/code4lib/ http://bspace.us/notes/feeds/code4lib/ ;)
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
/me raises hand for full posts. Nice ideas MJ! By the way, I'd be disappointed to see truncated posts, but there are other options:- 1. constrain posts to a maximum size with CSS like on planet sysadmin http://www.sysadminblogs.com/planet/ 2. add a Javascript Hide Author to the template like on planet debian http://planet.debian.net/ 3. add Skip to next links to the top of each post (not seen this done on planetplanet sites yet) Any of those float the truncation-advocates' boat? Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237 Jodi Schneider Science Library Specialist Amherst College 413-542-2076
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I'm alone here, but I actually like seeing posts that aren't just about dull library coding crap :-) I agree with you. Personally, I feel like the planet is more the aggregation of people that make up a community. I feel like the off-topic posts help flesh people out as human beings rather than just library nerds. -Ross.
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
Just one comment - In regards to the code4lib¹ tag, I like the idea in general, but there are some blogs on the planet where that tag will never be applied (because the author is unaware of code4lib per se, for instance). If we look at this approach, there should be a way of marking a particular blog cold-filtered for code4lib¹, or straight from the tap¹ -- jaf On 5/22/08 8:02 AM, Jodi Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /me raises hand for full posts. Nice ideas MJ! By the way, I'd be disappointed to see truncated posts, but there are other options:- 1. constrain posts to a maximum size with CSS like on planet sysadmin http://www.sysadminblogs.com/planet/ 2. add a Javascript Hide Author to the template like on planet debian http://planet.debian.net/ 3. add Skip to next links to the top of each post (not seen this done on planetplanet sites yet) Any of those float the truncation-advocates' boat? Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237 Jodi Schneider Science Library Specialist Amherst College 413-542-2076 === Jeremy Frumkin Head, Emerging Technologies and Services 121 The Valley Library, Oregon State University Corvallis OR 97331-4501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 541.602.4905 541.737.3453 (Fax) === Without ambition one starts nothing. Without work one finishes nothing. - Emerson
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (4) Automatically truncate posts after X words. The scroll gets so long and it is hard to find some of the posts that conform to what I think of the original idea of RSS was (a brief description of the content, not the whole item). While I disagree with this for the default (since I personally hate having to go to the original post for the full content), I do like the idea of two published feeds, truncated and full. Does Feedburner do this? If not, it seems like a good Dapper or Yahoo Pipes sort of project. -Ross.
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel self-conscious about seeing posts reflected in the planet that are not related to library technology, only because I'm not willing to break up my blog into sub-blogs and don't know if oysters and pace layering really go together for the planet. Ouch, I suspect a conversation next about what fits the code4lib planet moniker. Does my technology rants that don't bash MARC fit? Does Topic Maps fit, even if libraries don't use them but they are a perfect fit? Posts about philosophical aspects of the code we make? Or the epistemological musings of workflows? Lest not forget that the human aspect of the library profession is what makes librarians so great ... It's a tough one. Alex -- --- Project Wrangler, SOA, Information Alchemist, UX, RESTafarian, Topic Maps -- http://shelter.nu/blog/
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
On 21 May 2008, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I hope we don't do this. I really like being able to read the post in my feed rather than having to click through to read it. I read it at planet.code4lib.org, and depend on it (and planetcataloguing.org) to bring together all that stuff without my having to bother. (I have two local planets to bring together all the other stuff I follow, one for library/tech and one for personal stuff. I like never having to see that I have n hundred blog posts unread.) It works fine as is for me. I don't bring the feed into a reader, so I like that the web site has the full contents of all posts. I'd rather scroll than click. If people post predominatly library geek stuff, some personal stuff is fine. If it's the other way around, use a per-category or per-tag feed, and if that can't be done, drop them. A changelog would be good to keep track of deletes. Could have a Recently Removed section maintained by hand, too. Heh. Jonathan and Antonio: I think asking in channel at a busy time and then sending a note here if you remove someone would be fine. We all maintain our own aggregators. Planet Code4Lib: Generous, but not exhaustive. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : www.miskatonic.org www.frbr.org www.openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Jodi Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a big fan of the planet aggregator. Normally I make suggestions on #code4lib. However, Jonathan Rochkind asked me to bring them up onlist this time. (Who besides Jonathan is managing the planet at present?) (1) Bjorn Tipling suggested removing him, since he's going to focus on politics: Some of the places where my blog is being tracked, such as code4lib and netlamers, might want to look at whether or not they want to continue to follow me. http://bjorn.tipling.com/2008/05/17/blog-pundits/ Can we remove his blog please? (2) I'd really like a changelog--which might further justify adding/dropping blogs without discussion. (3) Could we please label blogs consistently? For individuals, we have mostly lastname, firstname with a few firstname lastname. Either way works. But the mixture rankles (sad, I know!). I agree with all of these suggestions. I'd add one more: (4) Automatically truncate posts after X words. The scroll gets so long and it is hard to find some of the posts that conform to what I think of the original idea of RSS was (a brief description of the content, not the whole item). Edward Thanks! -Jodi Jodi Schneider Science Library Specialist Amherst College 413-542-2076
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
No one other than me is managing it at present. Pretty much the only 'management' I do is adding blogs whenever someone asks me too. (I also did just a bit of fine-tuning of the CSS for the html version). I think it may be the planet software that decides what order to display lastname and firstname, but feel free to email me ones that are displaying oddly, and I'll see if I can fix them. I'm not going to get into serious hacking of the planet software though, or replacing it with other software (I _maybe_ could be convinced to upgrade it if there's an upgrade available). (if anyone else wants to do any of that stuff, raise your hand on the list, and we can probably get you access). An unanswered question is when or if the community ever expects me to _remove_ blogs from the planet. It's not clear. I don't want to remove them if people are going to see it as an abuse of power or something, as some have indicated they would. (Most could probably care less either way). Other blogs people have suggested I remove from the code4lib aggregator, as consisting of mainly nontopical content for code4lib, are Mark Lindner and Meredith Farkas. I guess say so if you'd like to LEAVE those on the aggregator, and if nobody says so, I'll leave them. If someone does say so... then I have no idea. :) Jonathan Jodi Schneider wrote: I'm a big fan of the planet aggregator. Normally I make suggestions on #code4lib. However, Jonathan Rochkind asked me to bring them up onlist this time. (Who besides Jonathan is managing the planet at present?) (1) Bjorn Tipling suggested removing him, since he's going to focus on politics: Some of the places where my blog is being tracked, such as code4lib and netlamers, might want to look at whether or not they want to continue to follow me. http://bjorn.tipling.com/2008/05/17/blog-pundits/ Can we remove his blog please? (2) I'd really like a changelog--which might further justify adding/dropping blogs without discussion. (3) Could we please label blogs consistently? For individuals, we have mostly lastname, firstname with a few firstname lastname. Either way works. But the mixture rankles (sad, I know!). Thanks! -Jodi Jodi Schneider Science Library Specialist Amherst College 413-542-2076 -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
I'd guess I'd be fine removing Bjorn as he's changing the focus of his blog and he's suggested we actually remove him. I don't necessarily agree with removing either Meredith or Mark's blogs. Sure, those two might have more personal content, but there are certainly others on there that have done that as well. Better solution seems to be just truncating the posts. (Or offering a full and truncated feed). If there's a particular person who you don't like, then filter it out with Yahoo pipes or something similar. A change log might be useful as well if it's not too much of a hassle to maintain. What software does the planet run on? Some sort of drupal module? Jon Gorman Original message Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:03 -0400 From: Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU No one other than me is managing it at present. Pretty much the only 'management' I do is adding blogs whenever someone asks me too. (I also did just a bit of fine-tuning of the CSS for the html version). I think it may be the planet software that decides what order to display lastname and firstname, but feel free to email me ones that are displaying oddly, and I'll see if I can fix them. I'm not going to get into serious hacking of the planet software though, or replacing it with other software (I _maybe_ could be convinced to upgrade it if there's an upgrade available). (if anyone else wants to do any of that stuff, raise your hand on the list, and we can probably get you access). An unanswered question is when or if the community ever expects me to _remove_ blogs from the planet. It's not clear. I don't want to remove them if people are going to see it as an abuse of power or something, as some have indicated they would. (Most could probably care less either way). Other blogs people have suggested I remove from the code4lib aggregator, as consisting of mainly nontopical content for code4lib, are Mark Lindner and Meredith Farkas. I guess say so if you'd like to LEAVE those on the aggregator, and if nobody says so, I'll leave them. If someone does say so... then I have no idea. :) Jonathan Jodi Schneider wrote: I'm a big fan of the planet aggregator. Normally I make suggestions on #code4lib. However, Jonathan Rochkind asked me to bring them up onlist this time. (Who besides Jonathan is managing the planet at present?) (1) Bjorn Tipling suggested removing him, since he's going to focus on politics: Some of the places where my blog is being tracked, such as code4lib and netlamers, might want to look at whether or not they want to continue to follow me. http://bjorn.tipling.com/2008/05/17/blog-pundits/ Can we remove his blog please? (2) I'd really like a changelog--which might further justify adding/dropping blogs without discussion. (3) Could we please label blogs consistently? For individuals, we have mostly lastname, firstname with a few firstname lastname. Either way works. But the mixture rankles (sad, I know!). Thanks! -Jodi Jodi Schneider Science Library Specialist Amherst College 413-542-2076 -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
Catching up on some of Mark's posts I can see why some might want him off. Perhaps someone who's more emotionally attached to the issue of removal might just want to contact him and see if he knows he's on the list or if he wants to remain on? I realized I don't honestly care enough about the planet one way or the other. I'd be sad to see it go, but I wouldn't wail in misery. Jon Original message Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:03 -0400 From: Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU No one other than me is managing it at present. Pretty much the only 'management' I do is adding blogs whenever someone asks me too. (I also did just a bit of fine-tuning of the CSS for the html version). I think it may be the planet software that decides what order to display lastname and firstname, but feel free to email me ones that are displaying oddly, and I'll see if I can fix them. I'm not going to get into serious hacking of the planet software though, or replacing it with other software (I _maybe_ could be convinced to upgrade it if there's an upgrade available). (if anyone else wants to do any of that stuff, raise your hand on the list, and we can probably get you access). An unanswered question is when or if the community ever expects me to _remove_ blogs from the planet. It's not clear. I don't want to remove them if people are going to see it as an abuse of power or something, as some have indicated they would. (Most could probably care less either way). Other blogs people have suggested I remove from the code4lib aggregator, as consisting of mainly nontopical content for code4lib, are Mark Lindner and Meredith Farkas. I guess say so if you'd like to LEAVE those on the aggregator, and if nobody says so, I'll leave them. If someone does say so... then I have no idea. :) Jonathan Jodi Schneider wrote: I'm a big fan of the planet aggregator. Normally I make suggestions on #code4lib. However, Jonathan Rochkind asked me to bring them up onlist this time. (Who besides Jonathan is managing the planet at present?) (1) Bjorn Tipling suggested removing him, since he's going to focus on politics: Some of the places where my blog is being tracked, such as code4lib and netlamers, might want to look at whether or not they want to continue to follow me. http://bjorn.tipling.com/2008/05/17/blog-pundits/ Can we remove his blog please? (2) I'd really like a changelog--which might further justify adding/dropping blogs without discussion. (3) Could we please label blogs consistently? For individuals, we have mostly lastname, firstname with a few firstname lastname. Either way works. But the mixture rankles (sad, I know!). Thanks! -Jodi Jodi Schneider Science Library Specialist Amherst College 413-542-2076 -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
I wonder if the planet can be configured to display only blog posts that have certain tag(s)? This, of course, would be effective only if the blog owners agree to help by adding extra tag(s) on their blog posts. If they agree and the configuration can be done, only relevant topics would be displayed on the planet. I also support truncating the posts. thanks, ranti. On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Jonathan Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd guess I'd be fine removing Bjorn as he's changing the focus of his blog and he's suggested we actually remove him. I don't necessarily agree with removing either Meredith or Mark's blogs. Sure, those two might have more personal content, but there are certainly others on there that have done that as well. Better solution seems to be just truncating the posts. (Or offering a full and truncated feed). If there's a particular person who you don't like, then filter it out with Yahoo pipes or something similar. A change log might be useful as well if it's not too much of a hassle to maintain. What software does the planet run on? Some sort of drupal module? Jon Gorman -- Bulk mail. Postage paid.
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
Just wanted to mention that Mark (Lindner) *does* know his blog is linked from planet code4lib. He didn't ask for it to be, it was just linked, and quite a while ago. I've asked about having my blog linked there too but I definitely don't intend to change the content (much of which is purposefully personal or non-library related) to accomodate other's reading interests. I think I had a conversation with Ed Summers quite a while ago and he encouraged me to go ahead and request it be added but I never followed through. I'd be ok with Ranti's suggestion but I personally feel that placing some sort of onus on blog authors isn't a great solution. I sort through 100s of threads every day and am quite happy ignoring ones on topics that aren't on point or what I am looking for and I think this would be ok for planet code4lib as well. $.02 from a lurker. Steve On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jonathan Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Catching up on some of Mark's posts I can see why some might want him off. Perhaps someone who's more emotionally attached to the issue of removal might just want to contact him and see if he knows he's on the list or if he wants to remain on? I realized I don't honestly care enough about the planet one way or the other. I'd be sad to see it go, but I wouldn't wail in misery. Jon Original message Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:31:03 -0400 From: Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU No one other than me is managing it at present. Pretty much the only 'management' I do is adding blogs whenever someone asks me too. (I also did just a bit of fine-tuning of the CSS for the html version). I think it may be the planet software that decides what order to display lastname and firstname, but feel free to email me ones that are displaying oddly, and I'll see if I can fix them. I'm not going to get into serious hacking of the planet software though, or replacing it with other software (I _maybe_ could be convinced to upgrade it if there's an upgrade available). (if anyone else wants to do any of that stuff, raise your hand on the list, and we can probably get you access). An unanswered question is when or if the community ever expects me to _remove_ blogs from the planet. It's not clear. I don't want to remove them if people are going to see it as an abuse of power or something, as some have indicated they would. (Most could probably care less either way). Other blogs people have suggested I remove from the code4lib aggregator, as consisting of mainly nontopical content for code4lib, are Mark Lindner and Meredith Farkas. I guess say so if you'd like to LEAVE those on the aggregator, and if nobody says so, I'll leave them. If someone does say so... then I have no idea. :) Jonathan Jodi Schneider wrote: I'm a big fan of the planet aggregator. Normally I make suggestions on #code4lib. However, Jonathan Rochkind asked me to bring them up onlist this time. (Who besides Jonathan is managing the planet at present?) (1) Bjorn Tipling suggested removing him, since he's going to focus on politics: Some of the places where my blog is being tracked, such as code4lib and netlamers, might want to look at whether or not they want to continue to follow me. http://bjorn.tipling.com/2008/05/17/blog-pundits/ Can we remove his blog please? (2) I'd really like a changelog--which might further justify adding/dropping blogs without discussion. (3) Could we please label blogs consistently? For individuals, we have mostly lastname, firstname with a few firstname lastname. Either way works. But the mixture rankles (sad, I know!). Thanks! -Jodi Jodi Schneider Science Library Specialist Amherst College 413-542-2076 -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of these suggestions. I'd add one more: (4) Automatically truncate posts after X words. I hope we don't do this. I really like being able to read the post in my feed rather than having to click through to read it. My 2 cents... Kevin
Re: [CODE4LIB] planet.code4lib.org -- 3 suggestions
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Steve Oberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've asked about having my blog linked there too but I definitely don't intend to change the content (much of which is purposefully personal or non-library related) to accomodate other's reading interests. I think I had a conversation with Ed Summers quite a while ago and he encouraged me to go ahead and request it be added but I never followed through. Yikes, can someone add Steve's blog to the planet :-) http://www.familymanlibrarian.com/ //Ed
