Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
I'm hoping to attend the upcoming code4libnorth meeting because I heart Canada, but I'd rather not join yet another mailing list. If it gets canceled or something tell us on this list or put it on the wiki page, please? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edu wrote: I'm not on that conference list, so don't really know how much traffic it gets. But it seems to me that, since these regional conferences are mostly being held at different times of the year from the main conference, the overlap would be minimal. Or not. I don't know. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of William Denton [...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
Walker, David wrote: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. this! +1 for me too. Although I knew I wasn't going to be attending the C4L conference in Asheville I still followed most of the messages related to conference. Even though it had a lot of traffic about logistics that was of no interest to me there was also a lot about what was going to presented there, virtual participation information (twitter tags), and other discussions that were of general interest. While I won't be attending a C4L midwest conference (sorry, Eric) I might read something there that I might use for the C4L North conference that I'll more likely attend. Even though most of the discussions on a code4libcon conference might be regional a lot of it may be on issues that are going to be appropriate for a conference, no matter where it's located. Subject line tagging (i.e. C4LNorth) would make it easy to filter out posts when planning is underway for conferences in different areas. Moving conference related discussions to a separate conf list would also improve signal to noise ratio on code4lib. -- John Fereira Cornell University Twitter: @john_fereira Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Ed Summers wrote: Details about the mailing list are there. Planning's going on and anyone who's interested in giving a talk should drop a note and add themselves on the wiki page. Kind of bummed that you had to create a new mailing list, but whatever I guess ... Okay. I guess I'm guilty of this as well since I too created a group to discuss the possibilities of a Code4Lib Midwest meeting. Personally, and as of the present time, I do not mind if there are discussions about regional events on the global list, but I sort of felt as if it might heard as noise by others in Europe, Asia, or even the South in the United States. Despite all of its use, email is a weird medium for many types of communication. Through email it is really difficult to get the sense of what a group of people may be thinking. I think that is why we vote. -- Eric Morgan
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
FWIW, I totally agree with the two Eds. It's interesting to see what a regional code4lib group up to even if I can't be part of it. And it inspires similar activities from other regional groups. / Daniel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Edward M. Corrado Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:21 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues I guess I'm with Ed with this. These fractured lists don't help get input from a wider range of people and even if I wouldn't go to c4lPluto I'd still like to know about it. Is hitting a delete button that big of deal anymore? If so, I don't see the point of signing up for email discussion lists - or at least if you do and volume is an issue, modern email clients have filters or free email accounts that can br used specifically for email lists can be created. Butaybe that's just me and edsu. Edward Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2010, at 10:53 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). Have the other local chapters found it works well to have more time for informal stuff, or lightning talks, or Ask Anything like I see NYC is doing? Sometimes with a smaller group people don't talk so much, but sometimes they do. The thing that bums me out is that this discussion list was largely created because there were all these discussions going on in niches like xml4lib, web4lib, perl4lib, php4lib, oss4lib, etc ... and not enough conversation about computing and libraries and cross-fertilization between projects/environments. Now we're seeing the code4lib discussion list itself fragment into code4libmdc, code4lib-north, code4libnyc, code4lib-northwest, etc. I guess an argument could be made that the conversations going on in this sublists would overwhelm code4lib proper with all sorts of local noise. But I think ideally we should have crossed that bridge when we came to it. I think if folks on code4lib saw what was going on in different locales it would inspire people to do stuff where they are too. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. It keeps the conversations in a central place initiallty created to faciliate face to face meetings. /dev -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Ed Summers Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). Have the other local chapters found it works well to have more time for informal stuff, or lightning talks, or Ask Anything like I see NYC is doing? Sometimes with a smaller group people don't talk so much, but sometimes they do. The thing that bums me out is that this discussion list was largely created because there were all these discussions going on in niches like xml4lib, web4lib, perl4lib, php4lib, oss4lib, etc ... and not enough conversation about computing and libraries and cross-fertilization between projects/environments. Now we're seeing the code4lib discussion list itself fragment into code4libmdc, code4lib-north, code4libnyc, code4lib-northwest, etc. I guess an argument could be made that the conversations going on in this sublists would overwhelm code4lib proper with all sorts of local noise. But I think ideally we should have crossed that bridge when we came to it. I think if folks on code4lib saw what was going on in different locales it would inspire people to do stuff where they are too. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu wrote: I sort of felt as if it might heard as noise by others in Europe, Asia, or even the South in the United States. As one from the South in the United States, I don't mind the extra noise of (non-regional to me) Code4Lib local groups planning, chatting, etc. Kevin
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. this! --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Smith,Devon [smit...@oclc.org] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:35 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. It keeps the conversations in a central place initiallty created to faciliate face to face meetings. /dev -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Ed Summers Sent: Wed 4/7/2010 10:53 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). Have the other local chapters found it works well to have more time for informal stuff, or lightning talks, or Ask Anything like I see NYC is doing? Sometimes with a smaller group people don't talk so much, but sometimes they do. The thing that bums me out is that this discussion list was largely created because there were all these discussions going on in niches like xml4lib, web4lib, perl4lib, php4lib, oss4lib, etc ... and not enough conversation about computing and libraries and cross-fertilization between projects/environments. Now we're seeing the code4lib discussion list itself fragment into code4libmdc, code4lib-north, code4libnyc, code4lib-northwest, etc. I guess an argument could be made that the conversations going on in this sublists would overwhelm code4lib proper with all sorts of local noise. But I think ideally we should have crossed that bridge when we came to it. I think if folks on code4lib saw what was going on in different locales it would inspire people to do stuff where they are too. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
I'm not on that conference list, so don't really know how much traffic it gets. But it seems to me that, since these regional conferences are mostly being held at different times of the year from the main conference, the overlap would be minimal. Or not. I don't know. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of William Denton [...@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues On 8 April 2010, Walker, David quoted: I think a good compromise is to have local meeting conversations on the code4libcon google group. That list is for organizing the main conference, with details about getting rooms, food, shuttle buses, hotel booking agents, who can MC Thursday afternoon, etc. Mixing that with organizational details *and* general discussion about all local chapter meetings would confuse everything, I think. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:30 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: A quick note to anyone who's interested in Code4Lib North (6-7 May in Kingston, Ontario) and isn't on the mailing list for it: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/North Details about the mailing list are there. Planning's going on and anyone who's interested in giving a talk should drop a note and add themselves on the wiki page. Kind of bummed that you had to create a new mailing list, but whatever I guess ... //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
On 7 April 2010, Ed Summers wrote: Kind of bummed that you had to create a new mailing list, but whatever I guess ... It seemed like the right thing to do. We can always drop it. What's the limit on discussion of local events on the list? I guess it hasn't been reached yet. When will people get fed up, or start mass deleting? That said, if anyone wants to talk about it here, by all means, go ahead. The more the merrier. So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). Have the other local chapters found it works well to have more time for informal stuff, or lightning talks, or Ask Anything like I see NYC is doing? Sometimes with a smaller group people don't talk so much, but sometimes they do. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). I added mytpl.ca (alluringly entitled Location-aware Mobile Search). I figure it could be a good trailer for the forthcoming journal article. ;-) MJ
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). Have the other local chapters found it works well to have more time for informal stuff, or lightning talks, or Ask Anything like I see NYC is doing? Sometimes with a smaller group people don't talk so much, but sometimes they do. The thing that bums me out is that this discussion list was largely created because there were all these discussions going on in niches like xml4lib, web4lib, perl4lib, php4lib, oss4lib, etc ... and not enough conversation about computing and libraries and cross-fertilization between projects/environments. Now we're seeing the code4lib discussion list itself fragment into code4libmdc, code4lib-north, code4libnyc, code4lib-northwest, etc. I guess an argument could be made that the conversations going on in this sublists would overwhelm code4lib proper with all sorts of local noise. But I think ideally we should have crossed that bridge when we came to it. I think if folks on code4lib saw what was going on in different locales it would inspire people to do stuff where they are too. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib North planning continues
I guess I'm with Ed with this. These fractured lists don't help get input from a wider range of people and even if I wouldn't go to c4lPluto I'd still like to know about it. Is hitting a delete button that big of deal anymore? If so, I don't see the point of signing up for email discussion lists - or at least if you do and volume is an issue, modern email clients have filters or free email accounts that can br used specifically for email lists can be created. Butaybe that's just me and edsu. Edward Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2010, at 10:53 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:43 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: So far there are just three people with ideas for talks (me, Walter Lewis, Art Rhyno). Have the other local chapters found it works well to have more time for informal stuff, or lightning talks, or Ask Anything like I see NYC is doing? Sometimes with a smaller group people don't talk so much, but sometimes they do. The thing that bums me out is that this discussion list was largely created because there were all these discussions going on in niches like xml4lib, web4lib, perl4lib, php4lib, oss4lib, etc ... and not enough conversation about computing and libraries and cross-fertilization between projects/environments. Now we're seeing the code4lib discussion list itself fragment into code4libmdc, code4lib-north, code4libnyc, code4lib-northwest, etc. I guess an argument could be made that the conversations going on in this sublists would overwhelm code4lib proper with all sorts of local noise. But I think ideally we should have crossed that bridge when we came to it. I think if folks on code4lib saw what was going on in different locales it would inspire people to do stuff where they are too. //Ed
