Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
On 6 August 2012 13:19, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: 150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. I'm not entirely convinced about that assessment. I quite readily agree that the jobs should be posted to *a* mailing list, I'm not so sure that it should be this mailing list. It's been discussed about filtering the jobs sent to the list, but I already filter the code4lib mailing list into a tag. It's been a bit of a faff, but I've subdivided the filtering so that I can get the messages sent from jobs@... to go to a different tag. But then Ed replied to one, so now it appears in both tags, and because I'm using Gmail, it takes the whole thread with it. So filtering really isn't a solution. Rather than just asking whether jobs should come to this mailing list, maybe we can ask whether a separate mailing list should be set up, specifically for jobs. The two mailing lists could be cross promoted (e.g. a standard footer), and people can choose whether they want or don't want to receive them. And we can still have discussions/follow-ups about those jobs on that mailing list. Even though the vast majority of the postings aren't applicable to me, I would probably still sign up to a separate jobs mailing list as it is of interest - but I would at least then be able to keep that separate from the main discussions, which is something I can't effectively do right now. G
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
No. Just no. Vote taken. Preferences noted. Done. Carol Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 13:19, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: 150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. I'm not entirely convinced about that assessment. I quite readily agree that the jobs should be posted to *a* mailing list, I'm not so sure that it should be this mailing list. It's been discussed about filtering the jobs sent to the list, but I already filter the code4lib mailing list into a tag. It's been a bit of a faff, but I've subdivided the filtering so that I can get the messages sent from jobs@... to go to a different tag. But then Ed replied to one, so now it appears in both tags, and because I'm using Gmail, it takes the whole thread with it. So filtering really isn't a solution. Rather than just asking whether jobs should come to this mailing list, maybe we can ask whether a separate mailing list should be set up, specifically for jobs. The two mailing lists could be cross promoted (e.g. a standard footer), and people can choose whether they want or don't want to receive them. And we can still have discussions/follow-ups about those jobs on that mailing list. Even though the vast majority of the postings aren't applicable to me, I would probably still sign up to a separate jobs mailing list as it is of interest - but I would at least then be able to keep that separate from the main discussions, which is something I can't effectively do right now. G
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. ___ Michael Friscia Manager, Digital Library Programming Services Yale University Library (203) 432-1856 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:43 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! No. Just no. Vote taken. Preferences noted. Done. Carol Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 13:19, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: 150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. I'm not entirely convinced about that assessment. I quite readily agree that the jobs should be posted to *a* mailing list, I'm not so sure that it should be this mailing list. It's been discussed about filtering the jobs sent to the list, but I already filter the code4lib mailing list into a tag. It's been a bit of a faff, but I've subdivided the filtering so that I can get the messages sent from jobs@... to go to a different tag. But then Ed replied to one, so now it appears in both tags, and because I'm using Gmail, it takes the whole thread with it. So filtering really isn't a solution. Rather than just asking whether jobs should come to this mailing list, maybe we can ask whether a separate mailing list should be set up, specifically for jobs. The two mailing lists could be cross promoted (e.g. a standard footer), and people can choose whether they want or don't want to receive them. And we can still have discussions/follow-ups about those jobs on that mailing list. Even though the vast majority of the postings aren't applicable to me, I would probably still sign up to a separate jobs mailing list as it is of interest - but I would at least then be able to keep that separate from the main discussions, which is something I can't effectively do right now. G
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
I'd buy that shirt. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote: Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. Dang, and I was already working on this 2013 conference t-shirt design... [cid:image001.png@01CD7ABE.541F6150] -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Friscia, Michael Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:46 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. ___ Michael Friscia Manager, Digital Library Programming Services Yale University Library (203) 432-1856 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]mailto:[mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:43 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! No. Just no. Vote taken. Preferences noted. Done. Carol Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.commailto:grahamtri...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 13:19, Ed Summers e...@pobox.commailto:e...@pobox.com wrote: 150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. I'm not entirely convinced about that assessment. I quite readily agree that the jobs should be posted to *a* mailing list, I'm not so sure that it should be this mailing list. It's been discussed about filtering the jobs sent to the list, but I already filter the code4lib mailing list into a tag. It's been a bit of a faff, but I've subdivided the filtering so that I can get the messages sent from jobs@... to go to a different tag. But then Ed replied to one, so now it appears in both tags, and because I'm using Gmail, it takes the whole thread with it. So filtering really isn't a solution. Rather than just asking whether jobs should come to this mailing list, maybe we can ask whether a separate mailing list should be set up, specifically for jobs. The two mailing lists could be cross promoted (e.g. a standard footer), and people can choose whether they want or don't want to receive them. And we can still have discussions/follow-ups about those jobs on that mailing list. Even though the vast majority of the postings aren't applicable to me, I would probably still sign up to a separate jobs mailing list as it is of interest - but I would at least then be able to keep that separate from the main discussions, which is something I can't effectively do right now. G
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
I like the design, did you get the job to create it from a post to this list? Ok I'll stop. ___ Michael Friscia Manager, Digital Library Programming Services Yale University Library (203) 432-1856 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Doran, Michael D Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:17 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. Dang, and I was already working on this 2013 conference t-shirt design... [cid:image001.png@01CD7ABE.541F6150] -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Friscia, Michael Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:46 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. ___ Michael Friscia Manager, Digital Library Programming Services Yale University Library (203) 432-1856 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]mailto:[mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:43 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! No. Just no. Vote taken. Preferences noted. Done. Carol Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.commailto:grahamtri...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 13:19, Ed Summers e...@pobox.commailto:e...@pobox.com wrote: 150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. I'm not entirely convinced about that assessment. I quite readily agree that the jobs should be posted to *a* mailing list, I'm not so sure that it should be this mailing list. It's been discussed about filtering the jobs sent to the list, but I already filter the code4lib mailing list into a tag. It's been a bit of a faff, but I've subdivided the filtering so that I can get the messages sent from jobs@... to go to a different tag. But then Ed replied to one, so now it appears in both tags, and because I'm using Gmail, it takes the whole thread with it. So filtering really isn't a solution. Rather than just asking whether jobs should come to this mailing list, maybe we can ask whether a separate mailing list should be set up, specifically for jobs. The two mailing lists could be cross promoted (e.g. a standard footer), and people can choose whether they want or don't want to receive them. And we can still have discussions/follow-ups about those jobs on that mailing list. Even though the vast majority of the postings aren't applicable to me, I would probably still sign up to a separate jobs mailing list as it is of interest - but I would at least then be able to keep that separate from the main discussions, which is something I can't effectively do right now. G
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
I second the motion to make a meatspace version of that shirt. On 8/15/2012 8:32 AM, Friscia, Michael wrote: I like the design, did you get the job to create it from a post to this list? Ok I'll stop. ___ Michael Friscia Manager, Digital Library Programming Services Yale University Library (203) 432-1856 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Doran, Michael D Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:17 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. Dang, and I was already working on this 2013 conference t-shirt design... [cid:image001.png@01CD7ABE.541F6150] -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Friscia, Michael Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:46 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. ___ Michael Friscia Manager, Digital Library Programming Services Yale University Library (203) 432-1856 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]mailto:[mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:43 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! No. Just no. Vote taken. Preferences noted. Done. Carol Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.commailto:grahamtri...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 13:19, Ed Summers e...@pobox.commailto:e...@pobox.com wrote: 150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. I'm not entirely convinced about that assessment. I quite readily agree that the jobs should be posted to *a* mailing list, I'm not so sure that it should be this mailing list. It's been discussed about filtering the jobs sent to the list, but I already filter the code4lib mailing list into a tag. It's been a bit of a faff, but I've subdivided the filtering so that I can get the messages sent from jobs@... to go to a different tag. But then Ed replied to one, so now it appears in both tags, and because I'm using Gmail, it takes the whole thread with it. So filtering really isn't a solution. Rather than just asking whether jobs should come to this mailing list, maybe we can ask whether a separate mailing list should be set up, specifically for jobs. The two mailing lists could be cross promoted (e.g. a standard footer), and people can choose whether they want or don't want to receive them. And we can still have discussions/follow-ups about those jobs on that mailing list. Even though the vast majority of the postings aren't applicable to me, I would probably still sign up to a separate jobs mailing list as it is of interest - but I would at least then be able to keep that separate from the main discussions, which is something I can't effectively do right now. G -- Caroline Meikle Database Programmer UW-Madison Institute on Aging Midlife Development in the United States (MIDUS) Project http://midus.wisc.edu/ Information Processing Consultant UW-Madison Soil Science Department Community and Regional Food Systems Project http://www.community-food.org/ camei...@wisc.edu | 608-358-0485
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
Regardless of whether or not you enter this, Michael, every vote from the Diebold-o-tron in the t-shirt election will go towards this design. Mark my words. -Ross. On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Doran, Michael D wrote: Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. Dang, and I was already working on this 2013 conference t-shirt design... [cid:image001.png@01CD7ABE.541F6150] -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Friscia, Michael Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:46 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. ___ Michael Friscia Manager, Digital Library Programming Services Yale University Library (203) 432-1856 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]mailto:[mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:43 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! No. Just no. Vote taken. Preferences noted. Done. Carol Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.commailto:grahamtri...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 13:19, Ed Summers e...@pobox.commailto:e...@pobox.com wrote: 150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. I'm not entirely convinced about that assessment. I quite readily agree that the jobs should be posted to *a* mailing list, I'm not so sure that it should be this mailing list. It's been discussed about filtering the jobs sent to the list, but I already filter the code4lib mailing list into a tag. It's been a bit of a faff, but I've subdivided the filtering so that I can get the messages sent from jobs@... to go to a different tag. But then Ed replied to one, so now it appears in both tags, and because I'm using Gmail, it takes the whole thread with it. So filtering really isn't a solution. Rather than just asking whether jobs should come to this mailing list, maybe we can ask whether a separate mailing list should be set up, specifically for jobs. The two mailing lists could be cross promoted (e.g. a standard footer), and people can choose whether they want or don't want to receive them. And we can still have discussions/follow-ups about those jobs on that mailing list. Even though the vast majority of the postings aren't applicable to me, I would probably still sign up to a separate jobs mailing list as it is of interest - but I would at least then be able to keep that separate from the main discussions, which is something I can't effectively do right now. G
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
I'd like mine in a men's large...what colors do you have? ;-) Mark Sullivan Executive Director IDS Project Milne Library 1 College Circle SUNY Geneseo Geneseo, NY 14454 (585) 245-5172 On 8/15/2012 9:23 AM, David Fiander wrote: I'd buy that shirt. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote: Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. Dang, and I was already working on this 2013 conference t-shirt design... [cid:image001.png@01CD7ABE.541F6150] -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Friscia, Michael Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:46 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Second the motion to stop beating this dead horse. ___ Michael Friscia Manager, Digital Library Programming Services Yale University Library (203) 432-1856 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]mailto:[mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:43 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! No. Just no. Vote taken. Preferences noted. Done. Carol Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.commailto:grahamtri...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 13:19, Ed Summers e...@pobox.commailto:e...@pobox.com wrote: 150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. I'm not entirely convinced about that assessment. I quite readily agree that the jobs should be posted to *a* mailing list, I'm not so sure that it should be this mailing list. It's been discussed about filtering the jobs sent to the list, but I already filter the code4lib mailing list into a tag. It's been a bit of a faff, but I've subdivided the filtering so that I can get the messages sent from jobs@... to go to a different tag. But then Ed replied to one, so now it appears in both tags, and because I'm using Gmail, it takes the whole thread with it. So filtering really isn't a solution. Rather than just asking whether jobs should come to this mailing list, maybe we can ask whether a separate mailing list should be set up, specifically for jobs. The two mailing lists could be cross promoted (e.g. a standard footer), and people can choose whether they want or don't want to receive them. And we can still have discussions/follow-ups about those jobs on that mailing list. Even though the vast majority of the postings aren't applicable to me, I would probably still sign up to a separate jobs mailing list as it is of interest - but I would at least then be able to keep that separate from the main discussions, which is something I can't effectively do right now. G
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
Exactly, vote taken. Done. Preference was not even close. -Wilhelmina On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Carol Bean beanwo...@gmail.com wrote: No. Just no. Vote taken. Preferences noted. Done. Carol Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:50 AM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2012 13:19, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: 150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. I'm not entirely convinced about that assessment. I quite readily agree that the jobs should be posted to *a* mailing list, I'm not so sure that it should be this mailing list. It's been discussed about filtering the jobs sent to the list, but I already filter the code4lib mailing list into a tag. It's been a bit of a faff, but I've subdivided the filtering so that I can get the messages sent from jobs@... to go to a different tag. But then Ed replied to one, so now it appears in both tags, and because I'm using Gmail, it takes the whole thread with it. So filtering really isn't a solution. Rather than just asking whether jobs should come to this mailing list, maybe we can ask whether a separate mailing list should be set up, specifically for jobs. The two mailing lists could be cross promoted (e.g. a standard footer), and people can choose whether they want or don't want to receive them. And we can still have discussions/follow-ups about those jobs on that mailing list. Even though the vast majority of the postings aren't applicable to me, I would probably still sign up to a separate jobs mailing list as it is of interest - but I would at least then be able to keep that separate from the main discussions, which is something I can't effectively do right now. G
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Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
150 people responded about whether jobs.code4lib.org posting should come to the discussion list: yes: 132 no: 10 who cares: 8 93% in support or agnostic seems to be a good indicator that the postings should continue to come to the list for now. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
Actually, you don't even need to filter on subject line (which might filter out something like this thread). Jobs posted through jobs.code4lib.org (vs an individual) all come from j...@code4lib.org so all you have to do is filter emails from that specific email. Like most, I think it's great to have these posted to the mailing list for all the previously mentioned reasons.
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
I made the same observation recently but decided to simply set up a filter. Pushing the jobs postings into a separate list seems like a worse solution. --jay PS, in a big-picture sense, it seems like a good problem to have. I mean, the number of postings is really remarkable! On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Aaron Collier acoll...@csufresno.edu wrote: Perhaps it's because it's summer. Not much going on but staff searches... Aaron Collier Library Academic Systems Analyst California State University, Fresno - Henry Madden Library 559.278.2945 acoll...@csufresno.edu http://www.csufresno.edu/library - Original Message - From: Nate Vack njv...@wisc.edu To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:19:33 PM Subject: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! So... perhaps 90% of the conversations in my Code4lib folder are job postings right now. That's not what I want. Does this mean my filters (or subscription!) are set up wrong, or that there should be a separate jobs list? Hm... -Nate
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Moynihan, Terry terry.moyni...@analog.com wrote: I can't understand why this would be an issue in a profession (librarian) that is very tiny compared to most. I also can't understand why it would be a problem when 50% of college graduates can't get any job let alone one in their field. The US and World economies stink, and more jobs have been lost than ever before in the history of the world. There are still 100's of millions of people without any job and a few job postings are an issue?? Perhaps a step back to the reality of what's really important in life... Thanks for this Terry. You expressed exactly the frustration that led me to hack on jobs.code4lib.org in the first place. I know too many people struggling to find work, and to find work they love. As Dan Chudnov pointed out in his code4lib keynote this year, the library/archive profession is in the midst of a pretty big upheaval/transformation. So, the other goal of jobs.code4lib.org is to help document the skills and jobs that are in demand, to help educators teach their students relevant skills so that they can find jobs. I also wanted it to assist life long learners who were interested in refreshing their skillset. Ideas for improving the site are welcome in the issue trackers Github [1]. //Ed [1] https://github.com/code4lib/shortimer/issues
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I think the flood of job postings is a good problem to have. --ELM
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How about this? Please only post the jobs that require programming skills or experience due to the nature of this list. Think before you post. For me, it doesn't bother me at all. If you don't like it, it just takes a click to delete it. You will not see the hiring phenomenon stays on peak all the time. Kelly -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chen, Janey Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:49 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! I am with you on this! Actually, it is encouraging to see that there are many job openings in this field. And the job descriptions give people a sense of what skills the employers are looking for. Janey -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Wilhelm Sent: August 2, 2012 9:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Too many job postings? I think there are fields where people would kill to have this problem. :-) --Mark On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner :-) In the interests of science I've created a little poll to indicate whether you think the job postings should be sent to the code4lib mailing list or not: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-emails If you care either way just click yes or no and I'll report the results. But if you can't wait I made the spreadsheet public: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-email-spreadsheet //Ed PS. Just fyi, shortimer will *not* re-post jobs to the discussion list if the posting was discovered there. Typically the job postings that shortimer posts to code4lib have been pulled from a source other than the mailing list, which met some curatorial criteria as being relevant for the code4lib community. If you care about influencing this criteria I encourage you to help curate [1] the jobs. [1] http://jobs.code4lib.org/curate/ -- Mark Wilhelm E-Mail: markc...@gmail.com Twitter: @markcwil Facebook: facebook.com/markcwil Read the Information Science News Blog at: http://infoscinews.blogspot.com/ **Bronze+Blue=Green** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze, Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary! **CONFIDENTIALITY** This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited.
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For those who dislike the current ratio of job postings to regular content the solution seems clear: start posting more flamewar inducing questions. It's quite easy. Allow me to demonstrate. Ruby on Rails? Blech, no thanks! --jay On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Kaile Zhu kz...@uco.edu wrote: How about this? Please only post the jobs that require programming skills or experience due to the nature of this list. Think before you post. For me, it doesn't bother me at all. If you don't like it, it just takes a click to delete it. You will not see the hiring phenomenon stays on peak all the time. Kelly -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chen, Janey Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:49 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! I am with you on this! Actually, it is encouraging to see that there are many job openings in this field. And the job descriptions give people a sense of what skills the employers are looking for. Janey -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Wilhelm Sent: August 2, 2012 9:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Too many job postings? I think there are fields where people would kill to have this problem. :-) --Mark On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner :-) In the interests of science I've created a little poll to indicate whether you think the job postings should be sent to the code4lib mailing list or not: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-emails If you care either way just click yes or no and I'll report the results. But if you can't wait I made the spreadsheet public: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-email-spreadsheet //Ed PS. Just fyi, shortimer will *not* re-post jobs to the discussion list if the posting was discovered there. Typically the job postings that shortimer posts to code4lib have been pulled from a source other than the mailing list, which met some curatorial criteria as being relevant for the code4lib community. If you care about influencing this criteria I encourage you to help curate [1] the jobs. [1] http://jobs.code4lib.org/curate/ -- Mark Wilhelm E-Mail: markc...@gmail.com Twitter: @markcwil Facebook: facebook.com/markcwil Read the Information Science News Blog at: http://infoscinews.blogspot.com/ **Bronze+Blue=Green** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze, Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary! **CONFIDENTIALITY** This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited.
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
The jobs posted on this list are all relevant and appropriate to the wide scope of people who read this list. We have not just seasoned programmers, but also recent college graduates and people looking for entry-level jobs in the field, as well as archivists and more. It seems like a mistake to impose additional rules and regulations on what types of jobs are allowed to be posted here...professional organizations looking to spread the word about jobs available in the field may become reticent to share some here if we give the impression that we don't want them. I agree with Kelly, and everyone else who has stated that the number of job postings does not bother me one bit. Whether or not the amount of job postings coming through here is too much or too little seems like a personal preference issue, and one that can be treated with filters on keywords, etc, in one's own email client or RSS feed reader. Cheers, Katherine On 8/2/12 10:01 AM, Kaile Zhu kz...@uco.edu wrote: How about this? Please only post the jobs that require programming skills or experience due to the nature of this list. Think before you post. For me, it doesn't bother me at all. If you don't like it, it just takes a click to delete it. You will not see the hiring phenomenon stays on peak all the time. Kelly -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chen, Janey Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:49 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! I am with you on this! Actually, it is encouraging to see that there are many job openings in this field. And the job descriptions give people a sense of what skills the employers are looking for. Janey -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Wilhelm Sent: August 2, 2012 9:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Too many job postings? I think there are fields where people would kill to have this problem. :-) --Mark On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner :-) In the interests of science I've created a little poll to indicate whether you think the job postings should be sent to the code4lib mailing list or not: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-emails If you care either way just click yes or no and I'll report the results. But if you can't wait I made the spreadsheet public: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-email-spreadsheet //Ed PS. Just fyi, shortimer will *not* re-post jobs to the discussion list if the posting was discovered there. Typically the job postings that shortimer posts to code4lib have been pulled from a source other than the mailing list, which met some curatorial criteria as being relevant for the code4lib community. If you care about influencing this criteria I encourage you to help curate [1] the jobs. [1] http://jobs.code4lib.org/curate/ -- Mark Wilhelm E-Mail: markc...@gmail.com Twitter: @markcwil Facebook: facebook.com/markcwil Read the Information Science News Blog at: http://infoscinews.blogspot.com/ **Bronze+Blue=Green** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze, Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary! **CONFIDENTIALITY** This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited.
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
Well Ruby was written for zombies ( http://railsforzombies.com/ ). Still, for one who has been on the job search for months it is nice to have so many options, though such a wall of postings takes a while to work through. It is very helpful for us young bucks to have both the content solutions and the job postings so we can learn from you established folks and try to get our own full-time work. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Jay Luker lb...@reallywow.com wrote: For those who dislike the current ratio of job postings to regular content the solution seems clear: start posting more flamewar inducing questions. It's quite easy. Allow me to demonstrate. Ruby on Rails? Blech, no thanks! --jay On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Kaile Zhu kz...@uco.edu wrote: How about this? Please only post the jobs that require programming skills or experience due to the nature of this list. Think before you post. For me, it doesn't bother me at all. If you don't like it, it just takes a click to delete it. You will not see the hiring phenomenon stays on peak all the time. Kelly -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chen, Janey Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:49 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! I am with you on this! Actually, it is encouraging to see that there are many job openings in this field. And the job descriptions give people a sense of what skills the employers are looking for. Janey -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Wilhelm Sent: August 2, 2012 9:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Too many job postings? I think there are fields where people would kill to have this problem. :-) --Mark On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner :-) In the interests of science I've created a little poll to indicate whether you think the job postings should be sent to the code4lib mailing list or not: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-emails If you care either way just click yes or no and I'll report the results. But if you can't wait I made the spreadsheet public: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-email-spreadsheet //Ed PS. Just fyi, shortimer will *not* re-post jobs to the discussion list if the posting was discovered there. Typically the job postings that shortimer posts to code4lib have been pulled from a source other than the mailing list, which met some curatorial criteria as being relevant for the code4lib community. If you care about influencing this criteria I encourage you to help curate [1] the jobs. [1] http://jobs.code4lib.org/curate/ -- Mark Wilhelm E-Mail: markc...@gmail.com Twitter: @markcwil Facebook: facebook.com/markcwil Read the Information Science News Blog at: http://infoscinews.blogspot.com/ **Bronze+Blue=Green** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze, Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary! **CONFIDENTIALITY** This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited.
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
I would like to continue receiving job postings. As someone who is searching for full time employment, it is indeed encouraging to see all these positions coming through. I see postings on this list that do not come through on other lists or resources. I would vote for including more information in the postings, as some have come through without any details about the job or the hiring institution, or links. Usually a little searching turns this up, but not always. -- Barbara On 8/2/12 6:48 AM, Chen, Janey wrote: I am with you on this! Actually, it is encouraging to see that there are many job openings in this field. And the job descriptions give people a sense of what skills the employers are looking for. Janey -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Wilhelm Sent: August 2, 2012 9:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Too many job postings? I think there are fields where people would kill to have this problem. :-) --Mark On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner :-) In the interests of science I've created a little poll to indicate whether you think the job postings should be sent to the code4lib mailing list or not: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-emails If you care either way just click yes or no and I'll report the results. But if you can't wait I made the spreadsheet public: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-email-spreadsheet //Ed PS. Just fyi, shortimer will *not* re-post jobs to the discussion list if the posting was discovered there. Typically the job postings that shortimer posts to code4lib have been pulled from a source other than the mailing list, which met some curatorial criteria as being relevant for the code4lib community. If you care about influencing this criteria I encourage you to help curate [1] the jobs. [1] http://jobs.code4lib.org/curate/
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Barbara Cormack bcorm...@corvendesign.com wrote: I would vote for including more information in the postings, as some have come through without any details about the job or the hiring institution, or links. Usually a little searching turns this up, but not always. Just so I understand, have you tried clicking on the jobs.code4lib.org URL included at the bottom of the posting? If not does this link need to be more obvious? //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
As Cameron Neylon pointed out in his keynote to Open Repositories 2012 in Edinburgh a few weeks back, filtering on the supply/server side should be considered friction or a barrier. We need better/more dynamic demand-side filtering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axr80qm6NHwfeature=youtu.bet=8m36s How's that for ya? Spin a thread about too many job postings back into an on-topic thread. You're welcome. -- HARDY POTTINGER pottinge...@umsystem.edu University of Missouri Library Systems http://lso.umsystem.edu/~pottingerhj/ https://MOspace.umsystem.edu/ It is a well-known fact in any organization that, if you want a job done, you should give it to someone who is already very busy. --Terry Pratchett, Unseen Academicals On 8/2/12 9:07 AM, Lynch,Katherine ke...@drexel.edu wrote: The jobs posted on this list are all relevant and appropriate to the wide scope of people who read this list. We have not just seasoned programmers, but also recent college graduates and people looking for entry-level jobs in the field, as well as archivists and more. It seems like a mistake to impose additional rules and regulations on what types of jobs are allowed to be posted here...professional organizations looking to spread the word about jobs available in the field may become reticent to share some here if we give the impression that we don't want them. I agree with Kelly, and everyone else who has stated that the number of job postings does not bother me one bit. Whether or not the amount of job postings coming through here is too much or too little seems like a personal preference issue, and one that can be treated with filters on keywords, etc, in one's own email client or RSS feed reader. Cheers, Katherine On 8/2/12 10:01 AM, Kaile Zhu kz...@uco.edu wrote: How about this? Please only post the jobs that require programming skills or experience due to the nature of this list. Think before you post. For me, it doesn't bother me at all. If you don't like it, it just takes a click to delete it. You will not see the hiring phenomenon stays on peak all the time. Kelly -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chen, Janey Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:49 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! I am with you on this! Actually, it is encouraging to see that there are many job openings in this field. And the job descriptions give people a sense of what skills the employers are looking for. Janey -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Wilhelm Sent: August 2, 2012 9:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Too many job postings? I think there are fields where people would kill to have this problem. :-) --Mark On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner :-) In the interests of science I've created a little poll to indicate whether you think the job postings should be sent to the code4lib mailing list or not: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-emails If you care either way just click yes or no and I'll report the results. But if you can't wait I made the spreadsheet public: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-email-spreadsheet //Ed PS. Just fyi, shortimer will *not* re-post jobs to the discussion list if the posting was discovered there. Typically the job postings that shortimer posts to code4lib have been pulled from a source other than the mailing list, which met some curatorial criteria as being relevant for the code4lib community. If you care about influencing this criteria I encourage you to help curate [1] the jobs. [1] http://jobs.code4lib.org/curate/ -- Mark Wilhelm E-Mail: markc...@gmail.com Twitter: @markcwil Facebook: facebook.com/markcwil Read the Information Science News Blog at: http://infoscinews.blogspot.com/ **Bronze+Blue=Green** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze, Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary! **CONFIDENTIALITY** This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited.
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
Keep the job ads coming! Edward Iglesias On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Pottinger, Hardy J. pottinge...@umsystem.edu wrote: As Cameron Neylon pointed out in his keynote to Open Repositories 2012 in Edinburgh a few weeks back, filtering on the supply/server side should be considered friction or a barrier. We need better/more dynamic demand-side filtering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axr80qm6NHwfeature=youtu.bet=8m36s How's that for ya? Spin a thread about too many job postings back into an on-topic thread. You're welcome. -- HARDY POTTINGER pottinge...@umsystem.edu University of Missouri Library Systems http://lso.umsystem.edu/~pottingerhj/ https://MOspace.umsystem.edu/ It is a well-known fact in any organization that, if you want a job done, you should give it to someone who is already very busy. --Terry Pratchett, Unseen Academicals On 8/2/12 9:07 AM, Lynch,Katherine ke...@drexel.edu wrote: The jobs posted on this list are all relevant and appropriate to the wide scope of people who read this list. We have not just seasoned programmers, but also recent college graduates and people looking for entry-level jobs in the field, as well as archivists and more. It seems like a mistake to impose additional rules and regulations on what types of jobs are allowed to be posted here...professional organizations looking to spread the word about jobs available in the field may become reticent to share some here if we give the impression that we don't want them. I agree with Kelly, and everyone else who has stated that the number of job postings does not bother me one bit. Whether or not the amount of job postings coming through here is too much or too little seems like a personal preference issue, and one that can be treated with filters on keywords, etc, in one's own email client or RSS feed reader. Cheers, Katherine On 8/2/12 10:01 AM, Kaile Zhu kz...@uco.edu wrote: How about this? Please only post the jobs that require programming skills or experience due to the nature of this list. Think before you post. For me, it doesn't bother me at all. If you don't like it, it just takes a click to delete it. You will not see the hiring phenomenon stays on peak all the time. Kelly -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chen, Janey Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:49 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! I am with you on this! Actually, it is encouraging to see that there are many job openings in this field. And the job descriptions give people a sense of what skills the employers are looking for. Janey -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Wilhelm Sent: August 2, 2012 9:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! Too many job postings? I think there are fields where people would kill to have this problem. :-) --Mark On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: Honestly, I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner :-) In the interests of science I've created a little poll to indicate whether you think the job postings should be sent to the code4lib mailing list or not: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-emails If you care either way just click yes or no and I'll report the results. But if you can't wait I made the spreadsheet public: http://bit.ly/code4lib-jobs-email-spreadsheet //Ed PS. Just fyi, shortimer will *not* re-post jobs to the discussion list if the posting was discovered there. Typically the job postings that shortimer posts to code4lib have been pulled from a source other than the mailing list, which met some curatorial criteria as being relevant for the code4lib community. If you care about influencing this criteria I encourage you to help curate [1] the jobs. [1] http://jobs.code4lib.org/curate/ -- Mark Wilhelm E-Mail: markc...@gmail.com Twitter: @markcwil Facebook: facebook.com/markcwil Read the Information Science News Blog at: http://infoscinews.blogspot.com/ **Bronze+Blue=Green** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze, Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary! **CONFIDENTIALITY** This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited.
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: As Dan Chudnov pointed out in his code4lib keynote this year, the library/archive profession is in the midst of a pretty big upheaval/transformation. So, the other goal of jobs.code4lib.org is to help document the skills and jobs that are in demand, to help educators teach their students relevant skills so that they can find jobs. +∞ We've had a lot of positions lately that have been newly designed it is incredibly useful to have a large set of data to see how institutions are defining and situating their technology position. In that respect I'd say that the jobs postings are just as valuable strategically as the many other discussion that focus on specific technologies. That, and the fact that trying to keep job postings from a popular seems impossible. -- Andrew Ashton Director of Digital Technologies Brown University Library
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
For those who dislike the current ratio of job postings to regular content the solution seems clear: start posting more flamewar inducing questions. It's quite easy There's also the option of implementing these high tech things known as email filters. They've only been around a couple decades, but nonetheless they seem easy to set up... kyle
Re: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings!
Perhaps it's because it's summer. Not much going on but staff searches... Aaron Collier Library Academic Systems Analyst California State University, Fresno - Henry Madden Library 559.278.2945 acoll...@csufresno.edu http://www.csufresno.edu/library - Original Message - From: Nate Vack njv...@wisc.edu To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:19:33 PM Subject: [CODE4LIB] It's all job postings! So... perhaps 90% of the conversations in my Code4lib folder are job postings right now. That's not what I want. Does this mean my filters (or subscription!) are set up wrong, or that there should be a separate jobs list? Hm... -Nate
