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Kenneth Knowles edited comment on BEAM-2535 at 6/29/17 8:45 PM:
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> Allow explicit output time independent of firing specification for all timers
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>
>                 Key: BEAM-2535
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BEAM-2535
>             Project: Beam
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>          Components: beam-model, sdk-java-core
>            Reporter: Kenneth Knowles
>            Assignee: Kenneth Knowles
>
> Today, we have insufficient control over the event time timestamp of elements 
> output from a timer callback.
> 1. For an event time timer, it is the timestamp of the timer itself.
> 2. For a processing time timer, it is the current input watermark at the time 
> of processing.
> But for both of these, we may want to reserve the right to output a 
> particular time, aka set a "watermark hold".
> A naive implementation of a {{TimerWithWatermarkHold}} would work for making 
> sure output is not droppable, but does not fully explain window expiration 
> and late data/timer dropping.
> In the natural interpretation of a timer as a feedback loop on a transform, 
> timers should be viewed as another channel of input, with a watermark, and 
> items on that channel _all need event time timestamps even if they are 
> delivered according to a different time domain_.
> I propose that the specification for when a timer should fire should be 
> separated (with nice defaults) from the specification of the event time of 
> resulting outputs. These timestamps will determine a side channel with a new 
> "timer watermark" that constrains the output watermark.
>  - We still need to fire event time timers according to the input watermark, 
> so that event time timers fire.
>  - Late data dropping and window expiration will be in terms of the minimum 
> of the input watermark and the timer watermark. In this way, whenever a timer 
> is set, the window is not going to be garbage collected.
>  - We will need to make sure we have a way to "wake up" a window once it is 
> expired; this may be as simple as exhausting the timer channel as soon as the 
> input watermark indicates expiration of a window



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