Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Hi Danny, I don't deny the recommedation that the PMC should be notified of situations such as this although I don't know why the PMC list is private. Because there may be things that it wouldn't be appropriate to discuss in public. To that end, though, the PMC tries to hold all non-sensitive discussions in public. But it seems like all this confusion is due to the lack of proper protocols defined in a public place that people can follow, or have I not looked around well enough. May be this is the first such situation and something may spring out of here, I don't know. It could be. Thanks, Harish Danny Angus wrote: Harish, There isn't very much traffic on the PMC list at all, most business, and all votes, is transacted on the general list. If anyone has any item which they wish to draw to the specific attention of the PMC it is always a good idea to post to PMC@ because you will then know that your message has been read. Further discussions could be carried out on the general list or in private, whichever was more appropriate. By which I don't mean that the PMC would reach its decisions in secret but that issues of individual privacy may make it more acceptable to keep the discussion out of the spotlight. d. ** * The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Li mited. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
On 7 Nov 2003, at 16:05, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Hi Danny, I don't deny the recommedation that the PMC should be notified of situations such as this although I don't know why the PMC list is private. it's private so that the pmc has a confidential forum for discussions. (general is the right forum for pmc discussions that are not confidential.) in this case, howard's a pmc member so he has karma and can participate. the pmc can grant subscription karma for non-members if they need arises to talk to someone (who isn't a pmc member) confidentially. we've probably gone too far in the direction of making everything private. (that's why general has probably been far too quite recently...) but in this case, it seems entirely proper for the discussions with howard to take place in confidence on the pmc list. But it seems like all this confusion is due to the lack of proper protocols defined in a public place that people can follow, or have I not looked around well enough. May be this is the first such situation and something may spring out of here, I don't know. you're probably right that this sort of stuff isn't very well documented. we probably need to find time to put some pages up. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
thanks for the heads up, john. i've added a .htaccess file which does a temporary redirect. (so that the website is still there, ready for reinstatement later.) - robert On 7 Nov 2003, at 17:12, John Keyes wrote: The website should also be taken offline also (the XRef of the code is available) to close the other public entry point. -John K On 7 Nov 2003, at 07:26, robert burrell donkin wrote: the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
I'm temporarily bulding out a version of the site that doesn't include the clover report or code xref. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: John Keyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:12 PM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline The website should also be taken offline also (the XRef of the code is available) to close the other public entry point. -John K On 7 Nov 2003, at 07:26, robert burrell donkin wrote: the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
And I've taken down the binary/source downloads. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Howard M. Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:24 AM To: 'Jakarta Commons Developers List' Subject: RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline I'm temporarily bulding out a version of the site that doesn't include the clover report or code xref. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: John Keyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:12 PM To: Jakarta Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline The website should also be taken offline also (the XRef of the code is available) to close the other public entry point. -John K On 7 Nov 2003, at 07:26, robert burrell donkin wrote: the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, since my previous posting (to the Jakarta General list) got no response. Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward. I need to see what the delay is at WebCT. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM To: Jakarta Commons Developers Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
Yeah where is the pmc mailing list? I was looking for it too, to see what's going on. Is it only for the pmc? -Harish Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, since my previous posting (to the Jakarta General list) got no response. Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward. I need to see what the delay is at WebCT. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM To: Jakarta Commons Developers Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
The pmc mailing list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe it is closed to pmc mebmers only. Like robert suggests, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be a good place for general pmc discusion. On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Yeah where is the pmc mailing list? I was looking for it too, to see what's going on. Is it only for the pmc? -Harish Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, since my previous posting (to the Jakarta General list) got no response. Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward. I need to see what the delay is at WebCT. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM To: Jakarta Commons Developers Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Rod http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
As lead developer of Tapestry, I'm a PMC member ... somehow, I missed the existence of this list in the past. I just subscribed. My previous posting on this matter was http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg08364.html on Oct. 16th. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry The pmc mailing list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe it is closed to pmc mebmers only. Like robert suggests, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be a good place for general pmc discusion. On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Yeah where is the pmc mailing list? I was looking for it too, to see what's going on. Is it only for the pmc? -Harish Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, since my previous posting (to the Jakarta General list) got no response. Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward. I need to see what the delay is at WebCT. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM To: Jakarta Commons Developers Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Rod http://radio.weblogs.com/0122027/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
Hmm.. that be the case I wonder why Howard's previous post to general regarding this matter got only one response. -Harish Rodney Waldhoff wrote: The pmc mailing list is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe it is closed to pmc mebmers only. Like robert suggests, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be a good place for general pmc discusion. On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Yeah where is the pmc mailing list? I was looking for it too, to see what's going on. Is it only for the pmc? -Harish Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, since my previous posting (to the Jakarta General list) got no response. Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward. I need to see what the delay is at WebCT. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/ http://javatapestry.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM To: Jakarta Commons Developers Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
that be the case I wonder why Howard's previous post to general regarding this matter got only one response. The ability to provide proper oversight is an issue for the Jakarta PMC to take up. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
Harish, There isn't very much traffic on the PMC list at all, most business, and all votes, is transacted on the general list. If anyone has any item which they wish to draw to the specific attention of the PMC it is always a good idea to post to PMC@ because you will then know that your message has been read. Further discussions could be carried out on the general list or in private, whichever was more appropriate. By which I don't mean that the PMC would reach its decisions in secret but that issues of individual privacy may make it more acceptable to keep the discussion out of the spotlight. d. *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Limited. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
Hi Danny, I don't deny the recommedation that the PMC should be notified of situations such as this although I don't know why the PMC list is private. But it seems like all this confusion is due to the lack of proper protocols defined in a public place that people can follow, or have I not looked around well enough. May be this is the first such situation and something may spring out of here, I don't know. Thanks, Harish Danny Angus wrote: Harish, There isn't very much traffic on the PMC list at all, most business, and all votes, is transacted on the general list. If anyone has any item which they wish to draw to the specific attention of the PMC it is always a good idea to post to PMC@ because you will then know that your message has been read. Further discussions could be carried out on the general list or in private, whichever was more appropriate. By which I don't mean that the PMC would reach its decisions in secret but that issues of individual privacy may make it more acceptable to keep the discussion out of the spotlight. d. *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Li mited. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
The website should also be taken offline also (the XRef of the code is available) to close the other public entry point. -John K On 7 Nov 2003, at 07:26, robert burrell donkin wrote: the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an admission of guilt. i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us resolve the issues as quickly as possible. the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly. thanks for your understanding. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
