Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[robert burrell donkin]

thanks for the heads up, john.

i've added a .htaccess file which does a temporary redirect. (so that 
the website is still there, ready for reinstatement later.)

- robert

On 7 Nov 2003, at 17:12, John Keyes wrote:

The website should also be taken offline also (the XRef of the
code is available) to close the other public entry point.
-John K

On 7 Nov 2003, at 07:26, robert burrell donkin wrote:

the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline 
for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect 
every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the 
legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed 
as an admission of guilt.

i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our 
attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us 
resolve the issues as quickly as possible.

the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best 
forum for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed 
directly.

thanks for your understanding.

- robert

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Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[robert burrell donkin]

On 7 Nov 2003, at 16:05, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:

Hi Danny,

I don't deny the recommedation that the PMC should be notified of 
situations such as this although I don't know why the PMC list is 
private.
it's private so that the pmc has a confidential forum for discussions. 
(general is the right forum for pmc discussions that are not 
confidential.) in this case, howard's a pmc member so he has karma and 
can participate. the pmc can grant subscription karma for non-members 
if they need arises to talk to someone (who isn't a pmc member) 
confidentially.

we've probably gone too far in the direction of making everything 
private. (that's why general has probably been far too quite 
recently...) but in this case, it seems entirely proper for the 
discussions with howard to take place in confidence on the pmc list.

But it seems like all this confusion is due to the lack of proper 
protocols defined in a public place that people can follow, or have I 
not looked around well enough. May be this is the first such situation 
and something may spring out of here, I don't know.
you're probably right that this sort of stuff isn't very well 
documented. we probably need to find time to put some pages up.

- robert

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Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[Geir Magnusson Jr .]

On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:

Hi Danny,

I don't deny the recommedation that the PMC should be notified of  
situations such as this although I don't know why the PMC list is  
private.
Because there may be things that it wouldn't be appropriate to discuss  
in public.  To that end, though, the PMC tries to hold all  
non-sensitive discussions in public.

 But it seems like all this confusion is due to the lack of proper  
protocols defined in a public place that people can follow, or have I  
not looked around well enough. May be this is the first such situation  
and something may spring out of here, I don't know.
It could be.

Thanks,
Harish
Danny Angus wrote:

Harish,
There isn't very much traffic on the PMC list at all, most business,  
and
all votes, is transacted on the general list.
If anyone has any item which they wish to draw to the specific  
attention of
the PMC it is always a good idea to post to PMC@ because you will  
then know
that your message has been read. Further discussions could be carried  
out
on the general list or in private, whichever was more appropriate. By  
which
I don't mean that the PMC would reach its decisions in secret but that
issues of individual privacy may make it more acceptable to keep the
discussion out of the spotlight.
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RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[Howard M. Lewis Ship]

And I've taken down the binary/source downloads.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Howard M. Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:24 AM
> To: 'Jakarta Commons Developers List'
> Subject: RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily 
> taken offline
> 
> 
> I'm temporarily bulding out a version of the site that 
> doesn't include the clover report or code xref.
> 
> --
> Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components 
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
> http://javatapestry.blogspot.com
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Keyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:12 PM
> > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > Subject: Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily 
> > taken offline
> > 
> > 
> > The website should also be taken offline also (the XRef of
> > the code is available) to close the other public entry point.
> > 
> > -John K
> > 
> > On 7 Nov 2003, at 07:26, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > 
> > > the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind
> > directories offline
> > > for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order 
> to protect
> > > every body involved from legal action. this is not a 
> > judgement of the
> > > legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be
> > construed as
> > > an admission of guilt.
> > >
> > > i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our 
> > > attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc
> > to help us
> > > resolve the issues as quickly as possible.
> > >
> > > the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the
> > best forum
> > > for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed
> > > directly.
> > >
> > > thanks for your understanding.
> > >
> > > - robert
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RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[Howard M. Lewis Ship]

I'm temporarily bulding out a version of the site that doesn't include the clover 
report or code
xref.

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http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
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> -Original Message-
> From: John Keyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> Subject: Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily 
> taken offline
> 
> 
> The website should also be taken offline also (the XRef of 
> the code is available) to close the other public entry point.
> 
> -John K
> 
> On 7 Nov 2003, at 07:26, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> 
> > the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind 
> directories offline
> > for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect 
> > every body involved from legal action. this is not a 
> judgement of the 
> > legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be 
> construed as 
> > an admission of guilt.
> >
> > i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our
> > attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc 
> to help us 
> > resolve the issues as quickly as possible.
> >
> > the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the 
> best forum
> > for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed 
> > directly.
> >
> > thanks for your understanding.
> >
> > - robert
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Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[John Keyes]

The website should also be taken offline also (the XRef of the
code is available) to close the other public entry point.
-John K

On 7 Nov 2003, at 07:26, robert burrell donkin wrote:

the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories offline 
for a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to protect 
every body involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the 
legal rights and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as 
an admission of guilt.

i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our 
attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us 
resolve the issues as quickly as possible.

the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the best forum 
for future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed 
directly.

thanks for your understanding.

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Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[Harish Krishnaswamy]

Hi Danny,

I don't deny the recommedation that the PMC should be notified of situations such as this although I 
don't know why the PMC list is private. But it seems like all this confusion is due to the lack of 
proper protocols defined in a public place that people can follow, or have I not looked around well 
enough. May be this is the first such situation and something may spring out of here, I don't know.

Thanks,
Harish
Danny Angus wrote:



Harish,

There isn't very much traffic on the PMC list at all, most business, and
all votes, is transacted on the general list.
If anyone has any item which they wish to draw to the specific attention of
the PMC it is always a good idea to post to PMC@ because you will then know
that your message has been read. Further discussions could be carried out
on the general list or in private, whichever was more appropriate. By which
I don't mean that the PMC would reach its decisions in secret but that
issues of individual privacy may make it more acceptable to keep the
discussion out of the spotlight.
d.



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Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[Danny Angus]

Harish,

There isn't very much traffic on the PMC list at all, most business, and
all votes, is transacted on the general list.
If anyone has any item which they wish to draw to the specific attention of
the PMC it is always a good idea to post to PMC@ because you will then know
that your message has been read. Further discussions could be carried out
on the general list or in private, whichever was more appropriate. By which
I don't mean that the PMC would reach its decisions in secret but that
issues of individual privacy may make it more acceptable to keep the
discussion out of the spotlight.

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RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[Noel J. Bergman]

> that be the case I wonder why Howard's previous post to general
> regarding this matter got only one response.

The ability to provide proper oversight is an issue for the Jakarta PMC to
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Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[Harish Krishnaswamy]

Hmm.. that be the case I wonder why Howard's previous post to general regarding this matter got only 
one response.

-Harish

Rodney Waldhoff wrote:

The pmc mailing list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I believe it is closed to
pmc mebmers only.  Like robert suggests, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be a good
place for general pmc discusion.
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:


Yeah where is the pmc mailing list? I was looking for it too, to see what's going on. 
Is it only for
the pmc?
-Harish

Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:


Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, since my 
previous posting
(to the Jakarta General list) got no response.
Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward.  I need to see 
what the
delay is at WebCT.
--
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Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
http://javatapestry.blogspot.com


-Original Message-
From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM
To: Jakarta Commons Developers
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories
offline for
a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to
protect every body
involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the
legal rights
and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an
admission of
guilt.
i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our
attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us
resolve the issues as quickly as possible.
the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the
best forum for
future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly.
thanks for your understanding.

- robert

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Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[hlship]

As lead developer of Tapestry, I'm a PMC member ... somehow, I missed the existence of 
this list in the past.  I just subscribed.

My previous posting on this matter was

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg08364.html

on Oct. 16th.

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> The pmc mailing list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I believe it is closed to
> pmc mebmers only.  Like robert suggests, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be a good
> place for general pmc discusion.
> 
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:
> 
> > Yeah where is the pmc mailing list? I was looking for it too, to see what's 
> going on. Is it only for
> > the pmc?
> >
> > -Harish
> >
> > Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
> >
> > > Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, 
> since my previous posting
> > > (to the Jakarta General list) got no response.
> > >
> > > Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward.  I 
> need to see what the
> > > delay is at WebCT.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> > > Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
> > > http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
> > > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
> > > http://javatapestry.blogspot.com
> > >
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> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM
> > >>To: Jakarta Commons Developers
> > >>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories
> > >>offline for
> > >>a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to
> > >>protect every body
> > >>involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the
> > >>legal rights
> > >>and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an
> > >>admission of
> > >>guilt.
> > >>
> > >>i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our
> > >>attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us
> > >>resolve the issues as quickly as possible.
> > >>
> > >>the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the
> > >>best forum for
> > >>future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly.
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> > >>thanks for your understanding.
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> > >>- robert
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The pmc mailing list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I believe it is closed to
pmc mebmers only.  Like robert suggests, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be a good
place for general pmc discusion.

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:

> Yeah where is the pmc mailing list? I was looking for it too, to see what's going 
> on. Is it only for
> the pmc?
>
> -Harish
>
> Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
>
> > Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, since 
> > my previous posting
> > (to the Jakarta General list) got no response.
> >
> > Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward.  I need to 
> > see what the
> > delay is at WebCT.
> >
> > --
> > Howard M. Lewis Ship
> > Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
> > http://javatapestry.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM
> >>To: Jakarta Commons Developers
> >>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
> >>
> >>
> >>the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories
> >>offline for
> >>a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to
> >>protect every body
> >>involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the
> >>legal rights
> >>and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an
> >>admission of
> >>guilt.
> >>
> >>i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our
> >>attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us
> >>resolve the issues as quickly as possible.
> >>
> >>the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the
> >>best forum for
> >>future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly.
> >>
> >>thanks for your understanding.
> >>
> >>- robert
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Re: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[Harish Krishnaswamy]

Yeah where is the pmc mailing list? I was looking for it too, to see what's going on. Is it only for 
the pmc?

-Harish

Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:

Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, since my 
previous posting
(to the Jakarta General list) got no response.
Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward.  I need to see 
what the
delay is at WebCT.
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
http://javatapestry.blogspot.com

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From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM
To: Jakarta Commons Developers
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories 
offline for 
a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to 
protect every body 
involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the 
legal rights 
and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an 
admission of 
guilt.

i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our 
attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us 
resolve the issues as quickly as possible.

the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the 
best forum for 
future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly.

thanks for your understanding.

- robert

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RE: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

[Howard M. Lewis Ship]

Beet me to the punch; I was just looking for the Jakarta PMC mailing list, since my 
previous posting
(to the Jakarta General list) got no response.

Taking HiveMind offline is drastic, but may be the best course forward.  I need to see 
what the
delay is at WebCT.

--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
http://javatapestry.blogspot.com

> -Original Message-
> From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:27 AM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ANN][hivemind] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline
> 
> 
> the jakarta-pmc have decided to take the hivemind directories 
> offline for 
> a temporary period. this decision was taken in order to 
> protect every body 
> involved from legal action. this is not a judgement of the 
> legal rights 
> and wrongs of the situation nor should it be construed as an 
> admission of 
> guilt.
> 
> i'd like to thank howard for drawing these possible issues to our 
> attention and hope that he continues to work with the pmc to help us 
> resolve the issues as quickly as possible.
> 
> the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is probably the 
> best forum for 
> future discussions of this action or the pmc can be mailed directly.
> 
> thanks for your understanding.
> 
> - robert
> 
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