Re: [all] short critique of site

2005-12-03 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 23:47 +0100, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
 Henri Yandell wrote:
 
  7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?
 
 I don't know how this page is maintained currently, but maybe it could 
 be built automatically from the POMs with a script ?

+1

such a script might have other uses as well. any volunteers?

- robert


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Re: [all] short critique of site

2005-12-03 Thread Martin van den Bemt

robert burrell donkin wrote:

On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 23:47 +0100, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:


Henri Yandell wrote:



7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?


I don't know how this page is maintained currently, but maybe it could 
be built automatically from the POMs with a script ?



+1

such a script might have other uses as well. any volunteers?


Working on the script. Done weirder things with maven :)
Just going for generating the contributors.xml file automatically though (just 
before the xdoc target is called.

Mvgr,
Martin


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Re: [all] short critique of site

2005-12-03 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Some thoughts on the site.

snip/

 B] Clicking on sandbox.

 1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
 changing the site?
 2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]

snap/

I tinkered with one of those wiki pages [1] (use Delete Cache action
if you've looked at it recently ;-). I think the web site should
similarly distinguish between sandbox and dormant components.

The current sandbox page [2] (and therefore Commons home page as well)
list them together, would there be any interest in separating the
dormant components so the website actually matches the repository? I
can post a patch for the website if there is interest.

-Rahul

[1] http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/CreatingStandardWebPresence
[2] http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/index.html

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Re: [all] short critique of site

2005-12-03 Thread Henri Yandell
A further remark about the site.

I think that we should kill the big list of siblings on the left hand
side of each component's site. It's no longer scoping, hard to keep up
to date and not that useful. People can '..' up to Commons via the
links.

Admittedly my other ideas on the site might make this redundant as I
want to largely get rid of the component sites all together, but
thought I'd bring this one up separately as well :)

Hen

On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Some thoughts on the site.

 A] Looking at the front page.

 1) Jakarta link on the bar is redundant. We already have a huge logo
 in the top left.
 2) No need to include the direct svn link, just use viewcvs. Simpler
 for the user.
 3) Korea translation link is dead.
 4) Japanese translation link is out of date.
 5) While the wiki is unofficial documentation, it is an official resource.
 6) DB Commons is empty.
 7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?

 B] Clicking on sandbox.

 1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
 changing the site?
 2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]

 Okay, onto something else next.


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Re: [all] short critique of site

2005-12-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On 12/3/05, Rahul Akolkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Some thoughts on the site.
 
 snip/
 
  B] Clicking on sandbox.
 
  1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
  changing the site?
  2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]
 
 snap/

 I tinkered with one of those wiki pages [1] (use Delete Cache action
 if you've looked at it recently ;-). I think the web site should
 similarly distinguish between sandbox and dormant components.

 The current sandbox page [2] (and therefore Commons home page as well)
 list them together, would there be any interest in separating the
 dormant components so the website actually matches the repository? I
 can post a patch for the website if there is interest.

interest :)

Hen

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Re: [all] short critique of site

2005-12-02 Thread Henri Yandell
On 12/1/05, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Some thoughts on the site.
 
  A] Looking at the front page.
 
  1) Jakarta link on the bar is redundant. We already have a huge logo
  in the top left.
  2) No need to include the direct svn link, just use viewcvs. Simpler
  for the user.


 Perhaps, but AIUI viewcvs puts a significantly higher load on our
 infrastructure, and the infra@ folks have specifically stated that they
 would prefer people to use direct links to the SVN repo.

Not sure that holds true anymore, but I don't think the user clicking
through the site to browse source is the major problem with the load.

I'll get confirmation from them before suggesting it be removed.

Hen

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Re: [all] short critique of site

2005-12-02 Thread Giorgio Gallo
Might I add:

8) The bug database link should point to a page where an user is
advised to look in the sites of the single components instead of
pointing to http://jakarta.apache.org/site/bugs.html


Henri Yandell wrote:
 Some thoughts on the site.
 
 A] Looking at the front page.
 
 1) Jakarta link on the bar is redundant. We already have a huge logo
 in the top left.
 2) No need to include the direct svn link, just use viewcvs. Simpler
 for the user.
 3) Korea translation link is dead.
 4) Japanese translation link is out of date.
 5) While the wiki is unofficial documentation, it is an official resource.
 6) DB Commons is empty.
 7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?
 
 B] Clicking on sandbox.
 
 1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
 changing the site?
 2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]
 
 Okay, onto something else next.
 
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Re: [all] short critique of site

2005-12-02 Thread Emmanuel Bourg

Henri Yandell wrote:


7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?


I don't know how this page is maintained currently, but maybe it could 
be built automatically from the POMs with a script ?


Emmanuel Bourg


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Re: [all] short critique of site

2005-12-01 Thread Martin Cooper
On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Some thoughts on the site.

 A] Looking at the front page.

 1) Jakarta link on the bar is redundant. We already have a huge logo
 in the top left.
 2) No need to include the direct svn link, just use viewcvs. Simpler
 for the user.


Perhaps, but AIUI viewcvs puts a significantly higher load on our
infrastructure, and the infra@ folks have specifically stated that they
would prefer people to use direct links to the SVN repo.

--
Martin Cooper


3) Korea translation link is dead.
 4) Japanese translation link is out of date.
 5) While the wiki is unofficial documentation, it is an official resource.
 6) DB Commons is empty.
 7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?

 B] Clicking on sandbox.

 1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
 changing the site?
 2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]

 Okay, onto something else next.

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