Re: cvs commit: committers/krell/wms cap.xml
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: Thanks ! - we may need to sync a bit better/more intensive - as I also have some other WMS perl scripts. And perhaps a joint efford to also fix things like OGC compliant error reporting (which we do not do right now as we want http level caching to work in a certain way). What WMS client are you using with this ? None. It was just an urge to do xml validation on every xml file that i see, especially WMS Capabilities files. They are so central to the whole system, and clients/servers need to be able to rely on them. I used OpenSP as a standalone validation tool. As far as WMS Clients go, i have had one try at getting the Minnesota MapServer working and due for another go soon. It can act as both server and client. http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/ It is good to hear that you have plans to extend the facilities in the committer module. I am playing catch-up and tweaking as i go, trying to first understand how krell/wms/index.pl works. --David On 7 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: crossley2003/02/06 22:44:37 Modified:krell/wms cap.xml Log: Fix xml validation errors with ContactInformation. snip/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Open this list
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:04:01PM +0100, Sander Striker wrote: This list _is_ publicly archived. People that are part of our developer community (read: our committers) can post. Invitees can post aswell. Everyone else can read the list (through the archives). If someone desires to post they go through the moderator. What is the big deal here? [Don't answer that. We can both dig up arguments for both sides in the public archive]. Please, please, please, not another list. We have enough lists to begin with and having another one just for the 'benefit' of non-committers to be able to subscribe and post seems a bit silly. +1 I agree very much with that. There is more than enough noise already, and I believe that time would be better spent on clearing up some of that before even thinking about bringing in additional noise. Bringing up a proposal like this again so shortly after it was initially rejected seems very counter productive to me, and trying to bring in another list, where many of the people here have already said that they will not participate, is even more damaging IMHO. So very much -1 to changing the policy for this list or adding another list. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: licensing issues and jars in Avalon
Hi all, I've just updated the setup mentioned below to do handle the licensing issue just a tiny bit better, up to the point where I think (IANAL!) it is no longer in violation of any license. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/avalon/check-targets.ent http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/avalon/check-targets.properties It might make sense for other projects that are also not moving to maven or centipede just yet to put in place a similar setup. cheers, - Leo What is more or less clear at this point is that the current setup I just put in place for avalon-framework where some Sun BCL code is downloaded from ibiblio is in breach of license (it won't work anymore either, as the problematic jars have been removed, so I guess it is already no longer in breach), whereas the setup we use in logkit (where the user must actively agree to the BCL license and download the code themselves) /seems/ to be acceptable. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Community?
There has been much said on this mailing list and it's predecessor about community and our need of developing more of a sense of community for people involved with the ASF. Recently there has been a lot of sidelining of the goals that this list was setup to foster - all apparently in the name of more openness. I'm concerned that the recent debates and the repetitive nature of the subjects and stated desires are actually starting to be not only counter-productive but damaging to the community. It will surprise some of you I'm sure when I say that I'm actually in favour of promoting a stronger sense of community within the ASF - how could I not be? The ASF committers represent a pool to talented people who have at least some of the goals and desires that I have. Why wouldn't I want to get to know these people? The problem I've been trying hard to put into words is the approach that has sometimes been taken towards building this sense of community. As a starting point I guess you need to know my views on community :) Well, the parallel that I think is useful to draw is that of the neighbourhood in which I live. It's a community. It's a group of people who have shared goals and objectives. A community. We meet and we talk about the problems/issues we're facing as a community and as individuals. The topics of conversation really aren't earth shattering and aren't going change people's lives. Folks who live on the other side on town aren't involved as they have their own issues and the community benefits from working out it's own issues. Working through problems and pulling together engenders sense of accomplishment and a shared sense of accomplishment really will draw people together. If people are really interested we tell them what they want to know - it's not a state secret! We don't all get on all the time. We don't have identical views on things. There is an entry requirement for membership of the community - you have to live on the street! knowing that you belong and that if you have problems you have someone who can help is a great feeling and one that is worth a lot of effort. This to me mirrors what we have at the present time with this list. The aim is to try and bring people from all over the various projects together. Having a place where we can talk and share things is a valid start, but that's all it is. Nothing comes for free. For the community to grow understanding needs to be improved and things need to be figured out and resolved - just like in communities based in the real world that we're all part of. The fact that we communicate via emails and occasional meetings doesn't change the basic fact that we are a community - it just makes communication harder. The entry requirement also exists in that you have to be a committer before you have the right of access. This I feel is a very valid step and one that is really needed. Mr Oliver proposed (again) that we open the list to anyone. I don't actually feel this would accomplish anything and I see from the replies a lot of others agree with me. We have public archives so if people are interested then they can look. Again it mirrors the actual community I've described above. So, this list I think is currently setup the right way and provides an essential channel for the community. The perception that I really object to is that simply having this list is enough. It's not. we need to talk and discuss things here that affect us all. I don't mean everyone posting introductions - I mean talk. I mean contribute to discussions and bring things to the list that are important to you and your corner of the ASF world. If this list simply carries on with the sort of posturing and positioning that so far has been apparent it will loose people and therefore loose some of it's potential. Already I know of several people who don't subscribe due to the nature of the discussions that have been held, people who I know can contribute and be of benefit to the community as a whole and that isn't good. This list is never going to alter our lives. It does however have the potential to improve our lives through building friendships or a feeling of belonging to something. It's not going to be an easy ride and accepting others points of view as valid and as acceptable/correct as your own isn't always a natural thing - something we have all been guilty of :) It's always the things that we find hard or problematic that turn out to be the ones we cherish the most, so maybe this is worth the effort and the hardship? I think it could be... I realise this has rambled a bit and if you're still reading - thank you :) david - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
