Re: legal FAQ for committers and contributors?
Just fyi, the link from http://www.apache.org/dev/ doesn't work as it spells licence the american way whereas the document linked from http://www.apache.org/foundation/preFAQ.html names the file the english way. The licence FAQ is available at: http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html Cheers, Rob David Crossley wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: IIRC when the legal-discuss mailing list was first created, the idea of a legal FAQ for committers was floated preferably written by someone with legal training. AFAIK this hasn't happened yet. . this is something the foundation is going to need. i'd be willing to help write up content for such a FAQ. opinions? As it happens, I suggested more or less the same on the board@ mailing list on Sunday. I suggested it as a task of our V.P., Legal Affairs. Whatever the approach, I'd be happy if we can finally build that legal/license FAQ. The most important thing is to communicate the (reviewed) results to everyone, especially to all the PMCs, so everyone and every project is on the same level. I'll try to find time to help you with the FAQ and I hope we get some additional help. The FAQ page is already linked to [1], but it's just not there, yet. Another important point IMO is to add information on the need for a CLA on the introduction for contributors page. [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/ (Look for License FAQ) This is very interesting. For a long time i was wondering the same thing. Yet while i was editing some other top-level docs i found the Licence FAQ. Obviously i and others had overlooked it all this time. It was only linked from the http://www.apache.org/foundation/preFAQ.html#licence So yesterday i linked it into [1]. Hopefully it is now more obvious. The trouble was that i can't spell american so the link was broken, fixed now. We do still need a general Legal FAQ of course. David - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: legal FAQ for committers and contributors?
Seems that last sentance never reached the brain :) Sorry for the noise, Rob David Crossley wrote: Rob Oxspring wrote: Just fyi, the link from http://www.apache.org/dev/ doesn't work as it spells licence the american way whereas the document linked from http://www.apache.org/foundation/preFAQ.html names the file the english way. That is what i meant below. It is already fixed, but are still seeing the delay with publishing the websites. David Crossley wrote: [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/ (Look for License FAQ) So yesterday i linked it into [1]. Hopefully it is now more obvious. The trouble was that i can't spell american so the link was broken, fixed now. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CLA
Hiya, Could anyone point me to the right people / list to speak to? - I finally got around to signing and faxing my CLA back in November and was kind of expecting an email or something to confirm it arrived. Is there any way to check the CLA status? Cheers, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CLA
Knew I'd seen something like that around somewhere! Cheers, Rob - Original Message - From: Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: CLA Your CLA seems to be on file. See Jim's list: http://www.apache.org/~jim/committers.html (your name appears in italics) On 13.01.2004 20:40:41 Rob Oxspring wrote: Hiya, Could anyone point me to the right people / list to speak to? - I finally got around to signing and faxing my CLA back in November and was kind of expecting an email or something to confirm it arrived. Is there any way to check the CLA status? Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsletter - to be or not to be?
Right then, I don't really want to start another round of endless discussions so I'll try to keep this short and to the point. Do people want the newsletter to continue? If so then I'm happy to edit the Oct/Nov issue with no promises to tackle subsequent issues - aiming to publish in a week or so. As much as voting with +1s would be appreciated, voting with content would be better as would someone setting up the dedicated newsletter@ mailing list. To vote with content just use the wiki: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheNewsletterDrafts/Issue3 Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Information channels, Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
I've been trying to stay out of all this but the logic here just made me bite and chime in. - Original Message - From: Erik Abele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@apache.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Information channels, Re: Inappropriate use of announce@ [snip] I think what David and others (including me) wanted to suggest is to go the way of least astonishment/frustration: Surely nobody disagrees. we know that everybody has his/her own preferences Again I would have thought that most of us are grown up enough to realise that. so why don't we just go with a pull-model instead of pushing the *whole content* onto some list of subscribers? Now just hold on here. How do you get to the assumption that the pull-model is the solution? Can't people's preferences include the push-model too? Why not just *announce* the availability of the newsletter? Do we really have to dump it to some list? And, if we have to, why can't this be a dedicated list? And now we get back to common sense. Using a dedicated list for the full contents and a preceding announcement on the announce@ list lets the readers exercise their preference perfectly. Those who don't like 100k emails don't have to take them, and those that like to read offline can do so at their leisure. Note that this approach could equally coexist with the suggested RSS solution, although the RSS proponents should step forward to organise this if they want it. [snip] I very much enjoyed the hard work that Tetsuya put into the newsletter and I'm very sad to see him step down because of such puny reasons as to which mailing list this newsletter should be sent. I fully agree and given that nobody critizied the newsletter itself, I can not understand why Tetsuya resigned. That looks really weird to my little brain... I know from first hand experience that editing the Newsletter (Jakarta Newsletter in my case) is a time consuming process that tends to be silently appreciated. As such, comments perceived (not necessarily intended) to be negative quickly swamp the positive ones and it's very easy to burn out. If people think that the newsletter@ address is the way forward then lets make the list now. If people think that the distribution should be different then they have an ideal opportunity to change it: just step up to edit the next edition. Hopefully Tetsuya will continue to contribute and may come back to edit future issues but I fully understand why he feels ready to step down right now. Anyone who doesn't understand should volunteer to handle an issue or two. Whatever Tetsuya feels, there's no reason for the newsletter to die. Equally we shouldn't rely on the energy of one person to edit every issue. IMHO we should decide now how the next issue will be distributed and towards the end of November call for a volunteer to release the letter. If that person wants to continue afterwards then fine, otherwise we just call for another editor in January. Anyway, just my 2p, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003
- Original Message - From: Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 7/10/03 4:21 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: So an apache-wide newsletter would be great. And posting it to apache wide announce, or even xposting it to all announce mailing list - sure. I'd love that. Having it on the web is nice for archival too - but I certainly do not mind 5-25k of well written quality newsletter (like the recent one, or like apache week) delivered to my doorstep. +1. I wanted to expand the newsletter to non-jakarta stuff from the beginning but never found the time to do it properly. Keep up the good work - and think broad - there are no real boundaries in the ASF, except for those we invent ourselves. I can hardly agree more with Dirk's view. I think we should have an apache-wide newsletter and deliver it thru announce@apache.org once a month. Previously the announcement lists have always been the target lists except when getting comments on drafts - I would have thought the annoncements list(s) would be sufficient now that the wiki live draft is in place - so the controversial community posting could probably be dropped for the future. One point I would like to make though, and not wanting to detract from this fantastic issue (thanks Tetsuya!), is that keeping the up the momentum has proved difficult at times over the last year and that not every project has something useful to say every month. Building the newsletter via the wiki makes it easier to contribute but I suspect that the normal size of a monthly apache newsletter still wouldn't be much bigger than this one. I guess what I'm saying is that I think we should let the newsletter grow too big before we start carving it up into even/odd months or similar schemes. I do still like the idea of the full contents via email though as it makes it easier to catch up offline. I'm pretty sure that any issues 100k could be edited down for the email version with links to the full copy online but I'm still not expecting to see too many that size anyway. Maybe I'm underestimating and need to explore *.apache.org again. At apachecon one of the most packed sessions is always the explaination about all the different projects in one confy session. This newsletter tells people about the status quo without having to shop around for info. I think it would be a great tool to increase crosspollination and awareness even for people inside the ASF (me first!) Its good to see these two points being made - switch the ASF to Jakarta and they were the exact reasons that I wanted to start up a newsletter! (The jakarta limitted scope relating purely to my apache exposure at the time) Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003
- Original Message - From: Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stefano Mazzocchi applauded: on 7/10/03 4:21 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: I think we should have an apache-wide newsletter and deliver it thru announce@apache.org once a month. +1 except for the frequency, which I shan't comment upon. Kitahata-san seems to have taken upon his shoulders the chief responsibility for pulling together the newsletter. Those who do the work ought to have a say in the frequency. Certainly those doing the sending should have the final say but I do think that monthly is the right period to aim for - much longer and the newsletter gets too big and a little stale. The workload may be higher but that should be a reason to spread the load not reduce the frequency - a rolling team of people would keep the impact on personal time to a minimum. If there is a widespread objection to posting the newsletter body, posting a brief notice with link is hard to argue against. This is true but I'd like to be clearer on what people are objecting to first, I understand complaints about crossposting the body but are there serious objections to posting the full body to one central list? If so then fair enough but I'm curious. Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jakarta Newsletter
Hi, For those of you that don't know I'm behind the effort for a monthly(ish) newsletter from the folks at jakarta. The original aim was to help developers stay informed of whats going on in the rest of Jakarta without them having to monitor every list, each subproject would send in tidbits of the interesting stuff that had been going on. Its an opportunity to let other developers know of changes / plans / decisions that aren't necessarily worth going out to a project specific announcements list. To get a feel for the contents you can browse previous newsletters here: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/. But it doesn't have to be solely Jakarta related: Last month we had an entry from db.apache.org letting us know that some of our components were moving to that umbrella which seemed reasonable. There also seems to be a general feeling that projects such as Ant, Avalon, James should still be invited to contribute to the letter even though they're not strictly jakarta projects any more. Thanks to all this and a long running intention to invite the xml team to contribute I thought it was time to invite one and all to contribute. If this all works out then I guess we can talk about breaking away from the Jakarta name and format changes but for now I thought it would be good to just test the water and plug the contributions into the next issue of the Jakarta Newsletter (next week sometime). So what does it take to contribute? Pretty simple really - just email me with a summary of what's been going on in your favorite project during the last month and it will get included so long as I spot it flying past (stick Newsletter somewhere in the subject line to get better odds). Sending text inline has been quite successful so far although patches to the xdoc (once I've started it) would make life easier. Alternatively we could start up a Wiki page and have people add to it as they see fit. Its a good plan to let the people at the project know so that effort is not duplicated. I plan to pull together any contributions on monday and post the first draft on general@jakarta.apache.org, more drafts will appear as more contributions come in and by the end of next week I hope to be ready to post the finished copy on [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want to discuss the newsletter generally then I'm sub'd to community@apache.org and general@jakarta.apache.org which seem to be the best places to aim. Thanks in advance, Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
