Re: what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones
Hank, I want to thank you for stimulating such a great discussion. I think I have an understanding of where your trying to go with this and I understand that having such a free and democratic process of creating an UI for a mobile platform would be very difficult. However, looking at other open source projects that I perceive as having decent UI's, from what I can tell it seems their success usually stems from the fact the project leaders are talented graphical designers along with programmers who can decide on a common graphical interface and build following that. The enlightenment project http://enlightenment.org seems to be a great example of this along with the more recent versions of gnome http://www.gnome.org/start/2.16/. Dare I suggest contacting people who are skilled at graphical design, and would be willing to donate time, to help led the development of the UI? They could be our elected officials to help moderate down all the different ideas and requests to make them fit into a common vision and hopefully a great UI. --Jacob On 1/18/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should clarify and say the issue that I am refering to specifically relates to UI/design. There are very few people that are good at it, so when those good people are not in absolute control and overly influnenced by committees, the design suffers. The good news about most open source products that have been successful is that they are more often API driven. Linux, the apache stuff, languages, etc, etc. Honestly, I havent yet seen an open source product whose UI I really like except firefox which is darned near commercial in the way that it is run. Graphics programs, Interface shells, video programs... I am not going to name names because then someone will either get upset or start misinterpreting. But I have yet to see something that I thought lived up to the best proprietary interface/UI designs. I cant say I have seen everything, but I have seen a lot. I think Open Source kills when it comes to creating high quality maintainable code. But I personally dont think the community process works as well for design and UI. I know people will disagree, and I really dont want to get into a back and forth with people getting upset and trying to prove me wrong. Its just my opinion. And of course there are always exceptions. Oh and by the way, I am not saying OpenMoko will have this problem. It specifically relates to the community process of development. But satisfying everyone's requests/demands in a UI is a sure sign of trouble and is much more prevalent in a more democratic process. Depending on how they manage the process and the form of the leadership it may not be an issue at all. They just have to be good designers themselves, and be willing to say no when warranted. Regards, Hank p.s. These are just my opinions. I have said it before, but many people have different perspectives on what it takes to make great products. I am not sure why anyone would care about my views on this subject. On 1/18/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/18/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe too many cooks spoil the stew, which is often a problem in open source, in my opinion. Its also often also a problem inside corporate development efforts. When there is no clear and absolute leadership, product design suffers. This is of course my opinion, based on my 30 years of software development. It is, nevertheless an opinion. Your mileage may vary. I see this being true for monolithic projects such as a kernel, or an office productivity suite.. I would say that it's debatable whether the same holds true for the types of micro-application which are going to be created using the OpenMoko API (which as a foundation does appear to have clear leadership). Monolithic product design I believe arose from distribution and OS layer limitations - when you simply couldn't download weekly updates or patches, the product had to get it right the first time. It didn't always happen that way of course, but there was no real alternative as the network infrastructure hadn't been built up yet. Communication accelerates standardisation, and standardisation paves the way for smaller tighter applications. Given the diversity of interests shown on this list, I don't think we'll run into the too-many-cooks issue any time soon. Out of interest, which Open Source projects have fallen victim to the too-many-cooks problem? Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
OT: How do I set my digest options?
All, Sorry for the off topic intrusion but is it possible for me to set my digest options to one e-mail per day instead of the dozen per day in digest form per day I get now? Regards, Rod Boyce ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: How do I set my digest options?
Le vendredi 19 janvier 2007 09:52, Roderick Boyce a écrit : Sorry for the off topic intrusion but is it possible for me to set my digest options to one e-mail per day instead of the dozen per day in digest form per day I get now? You go to this adress : https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community , you put your email adress in front of the button Unsubscribe or edit options, then you change the setting named Set Digest Mode to On. -- slubman (aka Nicolas DOUALOT) mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] site: http://www.slubman.info ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Child tracker
Hi Dean. You have written a comment on the wiki on the child tracker. http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ideas/ChildTracker You mention the idea might be patented. Would you happen to know (or be able to find) any of the patents? Maybe it is only patented in parts of the world, so it could be implemented freely elsewhere. A dedicated third party seems not to be needed if you use GPSfriends (which will require a third party, though). /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Child tracker
Maybe those (German text only, sorry): http://www.phonetracker.de/ Anwendungen/anw_personen.html Am 19.01.2007 um 11:05 schrieb Ole Tange: Hi Dean. You have written a comment on the wiki on the child tracker. http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ideas/ChildTracker You mention the idea might be patented. Would you happen to know (or be able to find) any of the patents? Maybe it is only patented in parts of the world, so it could be implemented freely elsewhere. A dedicated third party seems not to be needed if you use GPSfriends (which will require a third party, though). /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is google.com down? Move this list to a BB/Forum system?
* Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070119 07:58]: Gmane to the rescue! http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.openmoko.general I read from all this the hint that we should start to sort out and better archive topics by having different tool than an e-mail list. Let us move to a phpBB (or whatever you like) system. Or even better to the existing OESF forums. Nope, webforums just plainly suck. mailing list plus Wiki (remember anyone can contribute there) should be ok. Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is google.com down? Move this list to a BB/Forum system?
Dnia piątek, 19 stycznia 2007 07:55, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller napisał: I read from all this the hint that we should start to sort out and better archive topics by having different tool than an e-mail list. Let us move to a phpBB (or whatever you like) system. Reading forum needs time, reading few forums needs more time. Keeping forum running need good admins and moderators to not have lot of spam and hack attempts. phpBB was good few years ago - now it has more bugs then any other used forum engine. Or even better to the existing OESF forums. NO, NO and once more: NO! OESF forums users... too Zaurus centric, too Qtopia centric, too hack-it-hack-it-until-it-stop-working instead of doing things in proper way. By people like most of them I decided to not buy any Zaurus machine (hopefully Sharp decided to end this product line [1]) because any Z will get me into that forum again and again. Zaurus community is big but it is hard to find good embedded developers in it (but there are few persons which do good job). 1. http://www.hrw.one.pl/2007/01/12/zaurus-line-officially-ended/ -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant You don't have to be crazy to live in this planet, but it helps. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
R: is google.com down? Move this list to a BB/Forum system?
My feeling is that long-term development projects usually stick to mailing lists (thinking of kde, subversion family, ...). Independent groups usually establish a forum. Wiki is good to set things down after some discussion took place. I think it's mostly a matter of getting used to a way of staying together. If anybody cares, my own preference is to furums (it's easier to track discussions, audience can be wider) although I find it easier to post to mailing lists indeed. Whatever tool, in time I'd suggest at least to structure the community discussion into different areas: hardware, software, development, evolution, etc. Michele -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 18/01/2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is google.com down? Move this list to a BB/Forum system?
* Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070119 11:57]: Nope, webforums just plainly suck. Depends on... mailing list plus Wiki (remember anyone can contribute there) should be ok. IMHO, mailing lists usually lack a good archive and therfore the same questions are discussed every now and then and they have a tendency of separating communities in two groups - insiders who know all the mails of the last two years and newcomers who don't. Well, that's certainly not right. If it's something old, google does find it without problems. IMHO, if I need more specialized searching or so, there is always the trivial way of downloading the whole mbox ;) And good subject lines plus the threaded display makes it quite ok to catch up via the web archive. (What technically speaking I did for the OpenMoko lists, not reading everything, just anything that seemed interesting to catch with the mailing list.) And, by being forced to use a webforum, my impression is that people tend to think a little more before they write the next mail... Right, I don't write them usually at all. Using a textarea to enter messages sucks. But finally, the discussion about communication tools for this community may be a little early. We should focus on discussing our next communication tool, the OpenMoko. Right ;) Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: data (software) modem / lecture in bochum
On 1/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, i wanted to make a data link via a gsm voice call (see [0]) and develop the needed hard- and software for it. Hey Soeren. I brought this idea up last week, and it got beaten down pretty quickly. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001137.html I also believe that there could be some legitimate uses for it, but I'll probably work on all of the other ideas in that message before getting around to this one. It looks like you've done quite a bit more digging, though, so I wish you good luck. -Bryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones
From Get-E http://www1.get-e.org/E17_User_Guide/English/_pages/3.7.htmlwebsite: EDJ comes from the word Edje, which is one of the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries (EFL). Here is a slightly edited (some references related to an old theme format that's no longer in use in E17 have been removed) quote from http://www.enlightenment.sourceforge.net: *Edje is a complex graphical design layout library. For the purposes of Enlightenment 0.17, Edje should serve all the purposes of creating visual elements (borders of windows, scrollbars, etc.) and allow the designer the ability to animate, layout and control the look and feel of any program using Edje as its basic GUI constructor. This library allows for multiple collections of Layouts in one file, sharing the same image database and thus allowing a whole theme to be conveneintly packaged into 1 file and shipped around.* *Edje separates the layout and behavior logic. Edje files ship with an image database, used by all the parts in all the collections to source graphical data. It has a directory of logical part names pointing to the part collection entry ID in the file (thus allowing for multiple logical names to point to the same part collection, allowing for the sharing of data betwene display elements). Each part collection consists of a list of visual parts, as well as a list of programs. A program is a conditionally run program that if a particular event occurs (a button is pressed, a mouse enters or leaves a part) will trigger an action that may affect other parts. In this way a part collection can be programmed via its file as to hilight buttons when the mouse passes over them or show hidden parts when a button is clicked somewhere etc. The actions performed in changing from one state to another ar also allowed to transition over a period of time, allowing animation. This separation and simplistic event driven style of programming can produce almost any look and feel one could want for basic visual elements. Anything more complex is likely the domain of an application or widget set that may use Edje as a conveneient way of being able to configure parts of the display.* * *Both themes and backgrounds use this format in E17. This also means that the EDJ binary background files can, just like E17 themes, contain all kinds of animations and effects (or just a simple static background that is scaled to fit the screen). The basic philosophy of Enlightenment makes too much sense to me, namely that with a small set of graphic elements and simplistic event-driven behavior, any look and feel and be reproduced. This keeps the programmers happy in terms of creating applications that have a consistent feel, and it also keep the graphically inclined happy because they can continuously tailor the look to suit whatever aesthetic norms rule the day. Either way, we would not need to resort to the kind of benign tryanny that is used to develop and maintain the Linux kernel (see Linus orvald), we can leverage the so-called open source community talent to create a complete UI that flows and whatnot. Notice that this balance is largely achieved because of the tools (for example Edje) being used as opposed to enforcing any specific UI guidelines, at least this is sorta how Enlightenment does it. It is my belief that in this regard Enlightenment is ahead of both KDE and Gnome (though KDE is catching up rapidly). We can learn from this. Regarding have elected officials, I think we can style development a lot like how FreeBSD does things, with a set of core developers with armies of patch artists. The core developers maintain and develop the main OpenMoko tree or whatever. The patch artists (most likely us) break stuff and report the bugs preferably with debug traces and patches back to the core. In terms of who makes up the core, bah, who has the patience to hold elections hehehe. The core developers need to have a simple mandate, and their membership is recruited to fulfill that mandate. I guess this is where the elections could be...anyways, I haven't really thought much about this, and I think I might be raving so its time for a coffee break. Let me know what you think. Gervais On 1/19/07, Jacob Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hank, I want to thank you for stimulating such a great discussion. I think I have an understanding of where your trying to go with this and I understand that having such a free and democratic process of creating an UI for a mobile platform would be very difficult. However, looking at other open source projects that I perceive as having decent UI's, from what I can tell it seems their success usually stems from the fact the project leaders are talented graphical designers along with programmers who can decide on a common graphical interface and build following that. The enlightenment project http://enlightenment.org seems to be a great example of this along with the more recent versions of gnomehttp://www.gnome.org/start/2.16/.
Re: is google.com down? Move this list to a BB/Forum system?
What about using Google Groups? On 1/19/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/19/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, mailing lists usually lack a good archive and therfore the same questions are discussed every now and then and they have a tendency of separating communities in two groups - insiders who know all the mails of the last two years and newcomers who don't. I am hoping we can make the wiki fill this void. So help out bu when you have a problem that you find solved by digging through the mailing list archive, put it on the wiki. Preferably formatted so you will not need to read a whole thread to solve the same issue. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is google.com down? Move this list to a BB/Forum system?
On Friday 19 January 2007 03:57, Andreas Kostyrka scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: * Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070119 11:57]: And, by being forced to use a webforum, my impression is that people tend to think a little more before they write the next mail... Right, I don't write them usually at all. Using a textarea to enter messages sucks. Well, it would make my life simpler. I would neither read a BB/forum nor write to it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is google.com down? Move this list to a BB/Forum system?
On Friday 19 January 2007 06:12, Gervais Mulongoy scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: What about using Google Groups? Bleah. All the inconvenience of a BB/forum combined with all the drawbacks of web based email. On 1/19/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/19/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, mailing lists usually lack a good archive and therfore the same questions are discussed every now and then and they have a tendency of separating communities in two groups - insiders who know all the mails of the last two years and newcomers who don't. I am hoping we can make the wiki fill this void. So help out bu when you have a problem that you find solved by digging through the mailing list archive, put it on the wiki. Preferably formatted so you will not need to read a whole thread to solve the same issue. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Artist Help (was Re: what is the difference between openMoko and windows mobile based phones)
Hello! My name is Jesse Ross and I've just been kind of lurking for the past month and a half or so. I'm a web designer/graphic designer/ illustrator by trade, and have been contributing to a few open source projects for the past couple of years. Right now I'm primarily involved with the Etoile and GNUstep projects, doing icon design, interface design and theming. Dare I suggest contacting people who are skilled at graphical design, and would be willing to donate time, to help led the development of the UI? They could be our elected officials to help moderate down all the different ideas and requests to make them fit into a common vision and hopefully a great UI. I'm really excited about this project, and would love to help with the UI. Below is a collection of various work I've done: GNUstep icons: http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/icons/apps/ GNUstep theme: http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/ GNUstep menu concept: http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/menu/ Interaction mockups (Flash): http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/ui/ project_based/ Etoile logo concepts: http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/logo/ Jython logo: http://jesseross.com/clients/jython/ Thanks again to everyone who is working on the project! I can't wait to get one and contribute! J. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: is google.com down? Move this list to a BB/Forum system?
What about using Google Groups? Bleah. All the inconvenience of a BB/forum combined with all the drawbacks of web based email. Killer phrase detected/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
7 interesting videos online :)) Re: 23C3 27.-30.12. 2006 Berlin -- Chaos Computer Club conference with interesting program ; )
Salve!
Some of the presentations at the 23C3 I mentioned on this list
which would be interesting for our OpenMoko/Neo1973 project have
now videos online. Probably the others will follow
I couldn't join the 23C3 but not the videos are a good chance
to see it ;)
Big thanks to the organizer, video team, speaker and supporter of the 23C3.
Use http://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Streams to find out a mirror
near by you.
Hav' fun and happy hacking :)
rob
small script to downlod this videos:
#!/bin/sh
# download interesting stuff from the 23C3 converence 2006
# for the OpenMoko/Neo1973 project
# 2007.01.18 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#The m4v encoded files are playing well with
#vlc.org ;) apt-get install vlc
mirror=ftp://dewy.fem.tu-ilmenau.de/CCC/23C3/video/
#mirror=ftp://mirror.hgkz.ch/CCC/23C3/
#mirror=ftp://ftp.stw-bonn.de/pub/23C3/
#mirror=http://media.hojann.net/23C3/
#more mirros, RSYNC, BitTorrent see:
#http://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Streams
videos=
23C3-1459-en-sip_security.m4v
23C3-1495-en-green_phone.m4v
23C3-1566-en-openpcd_openpicc.m4v
23C3-1592-en-inside_vmware.m4v
23C3-1597-en-hackers_toolkit_for_rfid_emulation_and_jamming.m4v
23C3-1667-de-jabber_showcase.m4v
23C3-1733-en-bluetooth_hacking_revisited.m4v
#download the presentations html pages
# localfilename like 23C3-1459.en.html
webpage1=http://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Fahrplan/events/
for i in $(echo $videos); do
remotefile=$(echo $i | cut -b 6-12 | sed s/-/./g ).html
localfile=23C3-$remotefile
curl -R $webpage1$remotefile $localfile
# get also the attachments
# $ra = remote attachment $la = local attachment
# localfilename like 23C3-1459.en.attached-SIPsecurity_JanSeedorf.pdf
webpage2=http://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Fahrplan/attachments/
for l in $(lynx --localhost 1 -dump $localfile |\
grep /congress/2006/Fahrplan/attachments/ | awk '{print $2}'); do
ra=$(echo $l | sed s/[[:print:]]*[/]//g)
la1=$(echo $localfile | cut -b 1-13 )
la=$(echo $la1 attached- $ra | sed s/ //g)
curl -R $webpage2$ra $la
done
done
#download the videos
#local filename like 23C3-1459-en-sip_security.m4v
for i in $(echo $videos); do
echo Download now the video $i
curl -RO $mirror$i
done
#download the md5 files of the videos
for i in $(echo $videos); do
curl -RO $(echo $mirror$i | sed s/m4v$/md5/g)
done
#EOF
Anybody an idea how to motivate curl and to continous
with downloading to avoid multiple downloading when
running the skript multiple times?
Robert Michel schrieb am Donnerstag, den 30. November 2006 um 19:48h:
Today the CCC.de published the Fahrplan the program for their
23. conference, called 23C3:
https://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Fahrplan/
Melanie Rieback -
A Hacker's Toolkit for RFID Emulation and Jamming
Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) tags are remotely-powered data
carriers, that are often touted as a computer of the future, bringing
intelligence to our homes and offices, optimizing our supply chains, and
keeping a watchful eye on our pets, livestock, and kids.
However, many RFID systems rely upon the integrity of RFID tag data
for their correct functioning. It has never been so easy to interfere
with RFID systems; we have built a handheld device that performs RFID
tag emulation and selective RFID tag jamming (sortof like a personal
RFID firewall). Our device is compatible with the ISO 15693/14443A
(13.56 MHz) standards, and fits into a shirt pocket.
This presentation will explain the nuts and bolts of how tag spoofing
and selective RFID jamming work, and will conclude by demonstrating this
functionality.
[...]
https://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Fahrplan/events/1597.en.html
http://dewy.fem.tu-ilmenau.de/CCC/23C3/video/23C3-1597-en-hackers_toolkit_for_rfid_emulation_and_jamming.m4v
Paul Wouters, Leigh Honeywell -
Mobile phone call encryption
Encrypting (GSM) mobile phone calls over VPN with an Asterisk PBX
To encrypt all your mobile phones to protect it from overzealous
eavesdroppers, you are currently limited to using special hardware such
as the Cryptophone. The disadvantage of cryptophone is that it only works
with other cryptophones. To work around this, we turn mobile phones from
voice phones into VOIP phones. Using the SIP protocol for VOIP and
IPsec/L2TP or Openvpn as our VPN, Leigh Honeywell and Paul Wouters connect
their mobile phones fully encrypted to an Asterisk PBX server.
The presentation, given by Asterisk expert Leigh Honeywell and VPN
expert Paul Wouters will start with a description of the demise of the
old telecom sector and the end of voice conversations. The replacement,
Voice Over IP promises a lot of good things, but it comes at a price. Hacking
VOIP calls on the internet is much easier. We can no longer trust the
security
of the telecom infrastructure. Forged caller-ID, charging someone
Re: is google.com down? Move this list to a BB/Forum system?
On 1/19/07, Christopher Heiny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 19 January 2007 06:12, Gervais Mulongoy scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: What about using Google Groups? Bleah. All the inconvenience of a BB/forum combined with all the drawbacks of web based email. On 1/19/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/19/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, mailing lists usually lack a good archive and therfore the same questions are discussed every now and then and they have a tendency of separating communities in two groups - insiders who know all the mails of the last two years and newcomers who don't. I am hoping we can make the wiki fill this void. So help out bu when you have a problem that you find solved by digging through the mailing list archive, put it on the wiki. Preferably formatted so you will not need to read a whole thread to solve the same issue. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community There is always the option of using google groups as a remote archive... if you don't like it you don't have to use it, and continue on the way everything is now, it gives us one more option on how to view the group http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=38187query=archivetopic=type= -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
article in Linux Weekly News, and nice comments
http://lwn.net/Articles/217020/ You've all read the body of the article as it's just Sean's reply to Sven's question regarding ship date and specs, but the comments are nice. Here are some that should warm your hearts: Wow. All I can say is thankyouthankyouthankyou. :-) Brilliant! The wait is killing me. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko development environment (was: Re: Built in PIM app source?)
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Koen Kooi wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark McClellan schreef: Thanks Koen, I'll start looking at the backend. Of course my next question will be, how do I setup a dev environmnet for openmoko? But i'll wait on that one since it's been asked 100 times so far on the list :) Follow the instructions on http://openembedded.org, MACHINE=ep93xx, DISTRO=generic should build compatible binaries. Developers: you have the chance get used to the build system *right now*, so use it. Excellent! Thanks Koen. This will be my project for the weekend. My first Neo 1973 app! Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Idea: Use headphone output as a remote control (infrared: control TV, stereo, etc)
This might have been suggested before, if so - ignore it ;) The idea is simply to use the (stereo) mini jack sound output of the Neo to control two infrared leds, in order to control whatever device that can be controlled by a remote control. Why two leds and stereo? I guess this is required in order to reach the high frequency conventional remote controls use. Read more here: http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/ Does anyone know if this would be possible with the sound module in the Neo1973? Maybe an idea for the Neo extras store? best regards, looking forward to whatever-date-in-february -MartinG ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
Ough! I just can't imagine how to use emacs with this new iphone concept. While this new concept is a fine thing for a phone, I'd like to be able to do _real_ work with it. I'm a developer, so my main tool is emacs, but there are more tasks (e.g. email/mail) where a kbd would be usefull. With a proper keyboard, we would have a laptop-replacement. No way to do _real_ work with a touchscreen. Unless I can connect a _real_ keyboard (probably via usb), I don't need this phone. I like the concept and the idea, but... no kbd implies no emacs... No way. Sorry. Please note that I'm not talking about integrating a mini-keyboard (like the original poster said). I'm just talking about the possibility to connect an usb-keyboard. BTW: Any new information how long we have to wait for our new toy? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Don't forget about the bluetooth option, there are already many nice bluetooth keyboards and even mice out for desktop and mobile systems. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Visual Voicemail
Might we be able to have visual voicemail, as advertised with the iPhone...or is this service provider dependent? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Alternative input, like Dasher
20 words? That's actually a pretty acceptable speed I think. I can achieve about 30 words per minute on a regular cell phone, so I can imagine it will be possible to get there with quickscript or similar, through practice. I've been playing a little with an idea I had, so I tried putting something together in javascript and php, to see what it would feel like. I believe an approach like this would result in some nice speeds too, after some practice: http://hwiz.dk/moko/ . -Ulrik Derek Pressnall wrote: Quoting Ulrik Rasmussen: Do you know how many words/characters per minute it is possible to achieve? I ran some tests a while ago, using the Zaurus version of quikscript, here's what I posted to a zaurus forum at the time (based on my personal results): : 1) Handwriting recognition: barely 5 - 7 words a minute, due to recognition inacuracies : 2) On-screen keyboard: about 15 - 20 words a minute : 3) Quickscript: Just achieved 20 words a minute, and still improving : 4) Hardware keyboard: 30 - 35 words a minute : 5) Normal computer keyboard: 85 - 100 words a minute. This was after using quikscript for about a couple weeks or so, and entering some standard typing speed tests (i.e., the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy yellow dog). I would expect quikscript to end up closer to 30 - 40 words a minute with continued practice (however I don't take notes too often on a pda anymore). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Use headphone output as a remote control (infrared: control TV, stereo, etc)
On 1/19/07, MartinG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might have been suggested before, if so - ignore it ;) The idea is simply to use the (stereo) mini jack sound output of the Neo to control two infrared leds, in order to control whatever device that can be controlled by a remote control. Why two leds and stereo? I guess this is required in order to reach the high frequency conventional remote controls use. Read more here: http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/ that is cool !! I had heard of ppl using the treo 650 as remote with the addon IR transmitter, but this is much nicer ... It will be great if we can get something similar for the Neo1973. -- Pranav Does anyone know if this would be possible with the sound module in the Neo1973? Maybe an idea for the Neo extras store? best regards, looking forward to whatever-date-in-february -MartinG ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visual Voicemail
It is my understanding that Visual Voicemail is a feature that is purely iPhone + Cingular. On 1/19/07, Christopher Ellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might we be able to have visual voicemail, as advertised with the iPhone...or is this service provider dependent? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visual Voicemail
Austin Taylor writes: Visual voicemail requires back-end support from the carrier. Think like a hacker. Why couldn't we scrape it? No camera? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visual Voicemail
On 1/19/07 8:20 PM, Austin Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Visual voicemail requires back-end support from the carrier. Think like a hacker. Why couldn't we scrape it? Um, because, all other things being equal, you'd have to parse out an audio stream to get at the information you'd need...? Just guessin'. Me, I try to think like an engineer. You can use a chisel for a screwdriver, but it'll never be a good one. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at SCALE
Is this still on the schedual? I am looking forward to some hands-on time with the 1st OpenMoko phone... Joe On 11/29/06, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/28/06 8:24 AM, Joe Bushong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any chance of the OpenMoko team participating in the Southern California Linux Expo (SCALE) http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ We're most likely going to be speaking there. So hopefully we'll get to meet each other. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5G NOT EDGE
On 1/16/07, Craig St Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Just wondering, does that mean its EVDO? Or something else? I have Cingular, which supports I believe only EDGE (2G and 2.5G?) and 3G. Could someone please expand on the 2.5G NOT EDGE line? Thanks! This will work fine on Cingular; Cingular's EDGE data network is an extension to the long-used GPRS standard. exact same format, but a different type of radio encoding used to gain speed. 100% backwards compatible. However, this handset does not make use of the enhanced EDGE capabilities, instead providing legacy GPRS data over GSM networks such as Cingular. It is definitively not EVDO, which is a CDMA-2000 family technology; whereas the current Neo1973 is GSM centric to provide the most widespread acceptance and usability. EVDO/CDMA2000 has a very small footprint in comparison to the GSM worldwide foodprint. Their stance is: get this device to the masses so they can create better apps for it, then newer revisions will have faster data protocols, wifi, and the like. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sync from Kalendar/Address to KDEPIM
On 1/18/07 8:28 PM, Eildert Groeneveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read somewhere that the Neo folks have teamed up with some Sync Company. can we have some details? We're working with Funambol on SyncML and (soon) push email. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Child tracker
On 1/19/07 11:05 AM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have written a comment on the wiki on the child tracker. http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ideas/ChildTracker For the record, I've read this information and _strongly_ approve of the work that's been done. Please everyone use this until we can get our house in order. I'm sorry for not being prepared early enough. I just didn't allocate these kind of resources before we have a shipping device. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
