Application idea: Tracking usage costs & comparing operator pricing
Hello, I'd like to propose an application for tracking the costs of phone usage. The application would work by simply keeping track of the calls, messages and data traffic made on the phone. Coupled with the pricing information of the user's subscription it would then be able to keep track of the costs. Various alerts and restrictions could then be set to keep costs in line. The application could also be used to compare operator and subscription pricing by coupling the usage data on the phone with the pricing information of different subscriptions and services. The same data could also be used for choosing the cheapest roaming network or pre-paid subscription when abroad. The data on subscription and service pricing would probably need to be kept online (as opposed to being built-in to the application) and maintained by the community (possibly in a wiki-like format). The application could then, on demand, fetch the relevant pricing information from the on-line resource. Thoughts? -- Jani-Matti Hätinen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 11 Lanuages :) Re: Wikipedia update
Robert Michel kirjoitti (torstai, 1. helmikuuta 2007): > Salve Sergio! > > On Thu, 01 Feb 2007, Sergio Bessa wrote: > > OpenMoko in Portuguese > > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMoko > > Great! > I have also seen that we have a finish version new > as well! Was it your work, Janni-Matti? Actually no, someone beat me to it. -- Jani-Matti Hätinen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Basic questions
Hi All, I'm new to the OpenMoko community and trying to get some basic information about the software and phone: Without a qwerty keyboard, how is text entered? Is there an qwerty display app analogous to the dial pad app, or must one use the dial pad app with repetitive key entry? Or something else? Is there over-the-air support for syncing with Exchange calendar and/or contacts? Is there similar over-the-air support for IMAP contacts folder managed by a Thunderbird client? Local sync to contacts and/or calendar in Thunderbird client? I'm a developer who uses debian linux as my platform of choice, prefers thunderbird to evolution, and would like a linux phone that can sync with my environment, especially one with open source that I could contribute to. I've been a Treo user, still have a 600, and am considering alternatives to upgrading to a 700p, especially since Palm has discouragingly adopted windoze as its platform of choice for the Treo. OpenMoko and the FIC Neo1973 phone are most intriguing. Thanks for any info, Chuck ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 11 Lanuages :) Re: Wikipedia update
Robert Michel kirjoitti (torstai, 1. helmikuuta 2007): > Salve Sergio! > > On Thu, 01 Feb 2007, Sergio Bessa wrote: > > OpenMoko in Portuguese > > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMoko > > Great! > I have also seen that we have a finish version new > as well! Was it your work, Janni-Matti? Actually no. Someone beat me to it. -- Jani-Matti Hätinen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Social OpenMoko gathering at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 18:34 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Jon Phillips wrote: > > > On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 10:30 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > >> > >>> On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 16:45 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: > > GREAT idea. Whether or not we are attending the conference, enough > of us live > > in the area that we should get together, if not at the conference > then in a > > suitably friendly bar or restaurant. Perhaps we should find out when > Sean is > > available, and see if we can work around that? > > > > Michael > > Yah, that sounds goodSean, what do you think? > >>> > >>> Sounds like a great idea. Can you organize something? I seem to be free > >>> just about any night now. > >>> > >>> -Sean > >>> > >> > >> ETel is Tuesday, 2/27 through Thursday, 3/1. Sean's workshop is Tuesday > >> morning. > >> > >> Do we all prefer a daytime event, more workshop/hackfest oriented, or an > >> evening at a bar, more free-as-in-beer oriented? Or a restaurant/coffee > >> shop? > >> > >> I for one lean towards the beer. I can think of places in SF (30 minutes at > >> most from the conference) which would be happy to let us set up our laptops > >> and hack away if we wanted, as long as we consumed some of their beer. > > > > Beer, talk, minimal hacking...live socializing is what we can't get in > > the online :) Hacking we can do online ;) > > > >> There are scheduled events at ETel from about 8:30 AM to 9:30 PM (yes, > >> 9:30) > >> both Tuesday and Wednesday, and Thursday until 5 PM. > >> > >> Sean says he is free any night. > >> > >> Thursday night is the only true free night. Does anyone know when Sean > >> departs? > >> > >> Suggestion? Comments? > >> > >> Michael > > > > Sean is in town until that Saturday. I suggest we meet Thursday evening. > Would people prefer to meet near the conference (I think it's by the airport) > or in San Francisco proper? Any specific suggestions? > > Michael city is more interesting, but let's hear from sean and others? I'll be in the city most of the time, but hope to check out the conf. for at least a bit...but not sure what day... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Social OpenMoko gathering at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Jon Phillips wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 10:30 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 16:45 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: GREAT idea. Whether or not we are attending the conference, enough of us live in the area that we should get together, if not at the conference then in a suitably friendly bar or restaurant. Perhaps we should find out when Sean is available, and see if we can work around that? Michael Yah, that sounds goodSean, what do you think? Sounds like a great idea. Can you organize something? I seem to be free just about any night now. -Sean ETel is Tuesday, 2/27 through Thursday, 3/1. Sean's workshop is Tuesday morning. Do we all prefer a daytime event, more workshop/hackfest oriented, or an evening at a bar, more free-as-in-beer oriented? Or a restaurant/coffee shop? I for one lean towards the beer. I can think of places in SF (30 minutes at most from the conference) which would be happy to let us set up our laptops and hack away if we wanted, as long as we consumed some of their beer. Beer, talk, minimal hacking...live socializing is what we can't get in the online :) Hacking we can do online ;) There are scheduled events at ETel from about 8:30 AM to 9:30 PM (yes, 9:30) both Tuesday and Wednesday, and Thursday until 5 PM. Sean says he is free any night. Thursday night is the only true free night. Does anyone know when Sean departs? Suggestion? Comments? Michael Sean is in town until that Saturday. I suggest we meet Thursday evening. Would people prefer to meet near the conference (I think it's by the airport) or in San Francisco proper? Any specific suggestions? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Application idea: Tracking costs & comparing operator pricing
Hello, I'd like to propose an application for tracking the costs of phone usage. The application would work by simply keeping track of the calls, messages and data traffic made on the phone. Coupled with the pricing information of the user's subscription it would then be able to keep track of the costs. Various alerts and restrictions could then be set to keep costs in line. The application could also be used to compare operator and subscription pricing by coupling the usage data on the phone with the pricing information of different subscriptions and services. The same data could also be used for choosing the cheapest roaming network or pre-paid subscription when abroad. The data on subscription and service pricing would probably need to be kept online (as opposed to being built-in to the application) and maintained by the community (possibly in a wiki-like format). The application could then, on user demand, fetch the relevant pricing information from the on-line resource. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 video (was Re: What would be a realistic but challenging level for Bryce announced trophy money for video playback on the Neo1973? Re: h.264 format is now open?)
Siarhei Siamashka wrote: > I'm just interested in improving video support for ARM based devices, > that's why I posted to this openmoko mailing list . I'm currently trying to > integrate a fast scaler for ARM into ffmpeg library (the engine used > by mplayer, vlc and the other video players for linux ): > http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-January/051209.html > > So now I'm trying to collect information about what scaling/color conversion > functionality would be useful for various devices. Looks like Neo 1973 > may need rgb565 => rgb565 scaler, image rotation support and probably > yv12 => rgb565 (grayscale). I don't have much free time, so support for > just Nokia internet tablets has the highest priority for me. But if anybody > else would like to work on the features needed for Neo 1973 video support, > I would be glad to help. This looks pretty interesting work. Do you have any interest in and would it be possible to do this as a gstreamer plugin? Thanks, Rob Taylor ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] Re: data encryption + Biometric security
On 2/5/07, Steven Milburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Newer fingerprint reader technologies actually account for this pretty well. A detached finger is seen as a spoof attempt, if it even images properly at all. Your information on these sensors, like most people, is outdated. And I don't think that's really an accident. Yes, there are newer sensors that are more effective at detecting such spoofs, but that doesn't make the problem worth trivializing. It wasn't that long ago (think less than five years) that many COTS fingerprint sensors were shown to be vulnerable to "fake finger" attacks. These systems used "live finger detection" schemes such as capacitance sensors and temperature sensors and were handily defeated by imprinted gummy bears moistened by a bit of saliva and held in the attackers hand for a few seconds. Yes, I said gummy bears. The point is that it would be irresponsible to assume that some random COTS sensor is using the most current technology in their products. The fingerprint skeptics' information is probably less outdated than the sensors some of these companies are using. But, let me humor you for a moment. If I'm willing to cut off your finger to get into your mobile device, why wouldn't I be willing to put a gun to your head and/or torture you until you give me your password? You are absolutely right. That being said, I'd be more worried about a guy with access to my latents, a PCB printer, and some Sour Patch Kids. ;) (See http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0205.html#5) 1) full hardware docs (may be under NDA, but allowing GPL software > development) > 2) small enough for a mobile device > 3) cheap enough > 4) not easy to fool > The sensor Mark's talking about definitely fulfills the last three. Which sensor was he talking about? I didn't catch it. At any rate, a good resource for comparing fingerprint sensors and algorithms is the NIST Image Group's fingerprint lab. http://fingerprint.nist.gov Sure, the algorithms are guarded, but looking at some of these tests is a pretty decent way of separating the wheat from the chaff. To put this in perspective, the United States government (including the Department of Homeland Security and all other civilian departments and agencies) use these tests to make their equipment requisitions. Disclaimer: I used to consult to NIST and I contributed to a FIPS and a Special Publication on material related to this domain. Cheers, Pius ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] Re: data encryption + Biometric security
Malicious people will cut off your finger. Don't laugh, it has happened before. There are proven cases, e.g. where a carjacker cut off the finger of his victim in order to be able to steal the car. Newer fingerprint reader technologies actually account for this pretty well. A detached finger is seen as a spoof attempt, if it even images properly at all. Your information on these sensors, like most people, is outdated. And I don't think that's really an accident. But, let me humor you for a moment. If I'm willing to cut off your finger to get into your mobile device, why wouldn't I be willing to put a gun to your head and/or torture you until you give me your password? 1) full hardware docs (may be under NDA, but allowing GPL software development) 2) small enough for a mobile device 3) cheap enough 4) not easy to fool The sensor Mark's talking about definitely fulfills the last three. As for #1, that's where the political work needs to be done. It should be possible to make this happen though. Most, if not all, fingerprint sensor manufacturers are in the business of selling hardware. The software is basically given away, although the algorithms are guarded. They need to control the software because the quality of the sensor depends on the software. I image all that's needed is an easy way for users to tell that a sensor is being used with the company's software or something else. That way, when used with something else, the reputation of the quality of the sensor is not on the line because of bad software. Eventually, the open software may get good enough that the companies would "bless" a certain build. On 2/3/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are not-bad options - with something like a 4*256 pixel imager. Cheap, pretty small, docs - as it's just a camera, easy to fool... Well, it's a fingerprint sensor. If people are being concerned about faking fingerprint sensors, then this simplistic approach is definitely not a good idea as optical imagers are the easiest to fake out. There are interesting possibilities to add security to fingerprint sensors. For example, which finger? If three fingers of one hand have to be scanned in a particular order, or it requires a password afterwards. Or use it as a little optical mouse backwards, and have a 'signature'. It can even be used as a substitute for a thumbstick in the normal UI. All the above is currently being used. There are swipe-based fingerprint sensors on some tablet PCs that have navigation capability. They are used as scroll wheels and/or as backup when the stylus is lost or not necessary for a simple task. But, as of yet using them for full navigation is not working so great. The main problem I see with all the ones I've tries is that they actually try to mimic touch pads, instead of touch sticks. So, to move across a screen, you have to keep swiping. That's an easy fix though if the open-source community were able to work on things. In fact, I think most of the standard gripes about fingerprint sensors could be fixed if the community could play with the sensors, instead of relying on the algorithms of the few corporate players in the market. --Steve Disclaimer: I USED to work for a fingerprint sensor company. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 16:45 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: GREAT idea. Whether or not we are attending the conference, enough of us live in the area that we should get together, if not at the conference then in a suitably friendly bar or restaurant. Perhaps we should find out when Sean is available, and see if we can work around that? Michael Yah, that sounds goodSean, what do you think? Sounds like a great idea. Can you organize something? I seem to be free just about any night now. -Sean ETel is Tuesday, 2/27 through Thursday, 3/1. Sean's workshop is Tuesday morning. Do we all prefer a daytime event, more workshop/hackfest oriented, or an evening at a bar, more free-as-in-beer oriented? Or a restaurant/coffee shop? I for one lean towards the beer. I can think of places in SF (30 minutes at most from the conference) which would be happy to let us set up our laptops and hack away if we wanted, as long as we consumed some of their beer. There are scheduled events at ETel from about 8:30 AM to 9:30 PM (yes, 9:30) both Tuesday and Wednesday, and Thursday until 5 PM. Sean says he is free any night. Thursday night is the only true free night. Does anyone know when Sean departs? Suggestion? Comments? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 10:30 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > > > On Sat, 2007-02-03 at 16:45 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: > >>> GREAT idea. Whether or not we are attending the conference, enough > >> of us live > >>> in the area that we should get together, if not at the conference > >> then in a > >>> suitably friendly bar or restaurant. Perhaps we should find out when > >> Sean is > >>> available, and see if we can work around that? > >>> > >>> Michael > >> > >> Yah, that sounds goodSean, what do you think? > > > > Sounds like a great idea. Can you organize something? I seem to be free > > just about any night now. > > > > -Sean > > > > ETel is Tuesday, 2/27 through Thursday, 3/1. Sean's workshop is Tuesday > morning. > > Do we all prefer a daytime event, more workshop/hackfest oriented, or an > evening at a bar, more free-as-in-beer oriented? Or a restaurant/coffee shop? > > I for one lean towards the beer. I can think of places in SF (30 minutes at > most from the conference) which would be happy to let us set up our laptops > and hack away if we wanted, as long as we consumed some of their beer. Beer, talk, minimal hacking...live socializing is what we can't get in the online :) Hacking we can do online ;) > There are scheduled events at ETel from about 8:30 AM to 9:30 PM (yes, 9:30) > both Tuesday and Wednesday, and Thursday until 5 PM. > > Sean says he is free any night. > > Thursday night is the only true free night. Does anyone know when Sean > departs? > > Suggestion? Comments? > > Michael I'm in pretty much most any evening... Jon -- Jon Phillips San Francisco, CA USA PH 510.499.0894 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rejon.org MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko at FOSDEM 2007
"Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you have not yet recognized, Sean is giving a talk at FOSDEM 2007: > http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/events/embedded_openmoko There isn't any chance we could buy one of the phones at FOSDEM, is there? February 24th is pretty close to March 11th... ;-) I definitely want one -- I'll be trying to use it as a remote control of my summer house. I'll be installing IHC in the house the next few weeks. IHC has a central controller for all electricity, low-voltage wires in the building for buttons, high-voltage to lights etc. IHC appears to be quite popular in Scandinavia, but I haven't been able to find much technical information about it, let alone any Linux support. There may be some reverse-engineering of the protocols involved... The IHC system typically uses a serial port for configuration, but I'll be buying one extra piece of hardware which allows me to control the house remotely over the Internet too. Hopefully, one of the protocols will be easy to re-implement. The Neo1973 should connect to the system, and I could visualize the house on the display and enable/disable lights. When I'm not at the house, I should be able to enable/disable heating, etc. /Simon ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > On 1/12/07 4:53 PM, "Mikko Rauhala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Incidentally, I'm also interested in the official word, if any, on the >> new 4G micro-SDs. I _was_ glad to see Sean's "micro-SD can go to 2GB >> now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me)" comment, though I would be >> more comfortable if FIC themselves verify that 2GB micro-SDs do, in >> fact, work, what with all the scary rumours about the SOC 1G limitation >> applying to SDs too. (Vendors... ;] ) > > I'm out of the country now, but I will ask our developers to track one down > for testing. We'll let you know our results. Any news on this? I'm not holding by breath for 4GB, but has 2GB been confirmed? Thanks, -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko at FOSDEM 2007
If you have not yet recognized, Sean is giving a talk at FOSDEM 2007: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/events/embedded_openmoko I will also be there to discuss how to turn the OpenMoko into an Open iPhone based on GNUstep: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/events/ gnustep_embedded Nikolaus Schaller ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
On 2/5/07, denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello! Yeah I know that. But don't you think it would be useful to offer interested users, that heart from others something about the phone, more easy to access content? Most of the official knowledge/content is already on the openmoko website and the wiki - the mailing list sometimes gets tidbits of information leaked onto it a bit earlier, however these are usually very-specific technical developer-orientated details. We may discuss ideas and possibilities on this mailing list, but it shouldn't be confused with concrete information which holds utility for the 'average' user/ As far as 'official' knowledge/content goes - that the 'average' consumer could use -the fact that there aren't spectacular/vaporware promises being made at this stage is somewhat encouraging to me :-) Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OpenMoko at Oreilly Emerging Telephony Conference
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 11:26 -0800, Jon Phillips wrote: > Wait, Sean, you are in the bay area right now? I'm in Shanghai now. If I'm on the same continent for more than a week, something is seriously wrong ;-) > Yah, maybe we should get > together once the device is launched ... Also, I'm putting on the > Creative Commons Salon on FEB 21 at shinesf.com, which is a good place > to meet regardless: > > http://upcoming.org/event/137741/ This sounds cool. I'll try to make it! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 video (was Re: What would be a realistic but challenging level for Bryce announced trophy money for video playback on the Neo1973? Re: h.264 format is now open?)
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 02:36:04AM +0200, Siarhei Siamashka wrote: > On Saturday 03 February 2007 15:47, you wrote: > > > Also, the 770 has a landscape display. We have a portrait display. The > > S3C2410 cannot rotate the image, so you would have to rotate every frame > > in software, too! > > That's a good point. Anyway, rotation can be combined with scaling or color > format conversion and done in a single pass, so overhead should not be too > big. One more solution is rotation at video transcode stage as Mikko > suggested. > > > > Just for some experiment, I compiled mplayer for arm920t (not using > > > armv5te instructions), and benchmarked it with sdl video output (software > > > YUV->RGB conversion, generic nonoptimized scaling 320x240 => 640x480) and > > > libmad mp3 audio decoder. > > > > Please note that the LCM we use in the Neo1973 can do hardware scaling, > > e.g. theoretically you can software-reconfigure the LCM to behave as > > QVGA 240x320, and then change the s3c2410_fb kernel driver timings > > accordingly. > > If I understand that correctly, it is not arbitrary scaling but support for > 240x320 resolution? yes, you understand correctly. > > This has not been tested or implemented by us, since we're mainly > > interested in getting a high-res phone UI working right now :) > > I clearly understand that :) I guess it is one of the reasons, why you > announced early access to the device for open source developers. I hope > that some of them would try implementing some video support. exactly. I just wanted to make sure that this is not on our agenda, at least with any significant priority. > As it seems to be not quite trivial to do, this part of work can wait a bit > until some initial video benchmarks are available (centered nonscaled > 320x240 video playback vs. software scaled to fullscreen). Yes, obviously those benchmarks would help. Anyway, the "hardware scaling" is also interesting for non-video applicaitions such as many old video games (ScummVM and the like). As for the benchmarks: Obviously you consume only a quarter of memory bandwidth when you use 320x240 than 640x480. So native 320x240 playback should at least theoretically be faster than centered nonscaled 320x240 on VGA. > I'm just interested in improving video support for ARM based devices, > that's why I posted to this openmoko mailing list . I'm currently trying to > integrate a fast scaler for ARM into ffmpeg library (the engine used > by mplayer, vlc and the other video players for linux ): > http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-January/051209.html good luck! I've done some ffmpeg hacking before, and it was ... painful... ;) -- - Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
I want to add something. I meant to offer them content right now and not 1 month in front of the launch. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: denis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 5. Februar 2007 12:19 An: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Betreff: Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973 Hello! Yeah I know that. But don't you think it would be useful to offer interested users, that heart from others something about the phone, more easy to access content? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mikko Rauhala Gesendet: Montag, 5. Februar 2007 12:01 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973 ma, 2007-02-05 kello 10:32 +0100, denis kirjoitti: > That's something I have to criticize as well. The information for > "normal" users is pretty bad. Is there a point of time for the launch > of a real community site with a lot of content that is also > understandable for the normal user? The mass-market launch is planned for early autumn so there's plenty of time to create normal user info. The March launch is aimed at developers. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - http://www.singinst.org/> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
Hello! Yeah I know that. But don't you think it would be useful to offer interested users, that heart from others something about the phone, more easy to access content? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mikko Rauhala Gesendet: Montag, 5. Februar 2007 12:01 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973 ma, 2007-02-05 kello 10:32 +0100, denis kirjoitti: > That's something I have to criticize as well. The information for > "normal" users is pretty bad. Is there a point of time for the launch > of a real community site with a lot of content that is also > understandable for the normal user? The mass-market launch is planned for early autumn so there's plenty of time to create normal user info. The March launch is aimed at developers. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - http://www.singinst.org/> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
ma, 2007-02-05 kello 10:32 +0100, denis kirjoitti: > That's something I have to criticize as well. The information for > "normal" users is pretty bad. Is there a point of time for the launch > of a real community site with a lot of content that is also > understandable for the normal user? The mass-market launch is planned for early autumn so there's plenty of time to create normal user info. The March launch is aimed at developers. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - http://www.singinst.org/> ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
That's something I have to criticize as well. The information for "normal" users is pretty bad. Is there a point of time for the launch of a real community site with a lot of content that is also understandable for the normal user? Don't get me wrong I like lists and IRC but the normal users need a website with information. Regards, Denis _ Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Krzysztof Kajkowski Gesendet: Montag, 5. Februar 2007 10:12 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973 2007/2/5, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello, I read much about OpenMoko and the FIC Neo1973. I´m very interested in this and I want to know more about the phone. I found nothing new on the FIC website and on openmoko.org about the start or final specifications. I hope someone can give me more news. (sry for the bad english but I´m from germany and I slept to much at school) Did you check wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko Lots of info. cheers cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
2007/2/5, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello, I read much about OpenMoko and the FIC Neo1973. I´m very interested in this and I want to know more about the phone. I found nothing new on the FIC website and on openmoko.org about the start or final specifications. I hope someone can give me more news. (sry for the bad english but I´m from germany and I slept to much at school) Did you check wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko Lots of info. cheers cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko / FIC Neo1973
Hello,I read much about OpenMoko and the FIC Neo1973. I´m very interested in this and I want to know more about the phone. I found nothing new on the FIC website and on openmoko.org about the start or final specifications. I hope someone can give me more news.(sry for the bad english but I´m from germany and I slept to much at school) KiM ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
