Re: R: Camera and MMS

[t3st3r]

Andreas Kaeser wrote:

Michele Manzato wrote:

Voting for integrated Camera as well ...


Well, as much as I would like a camera in my all-in-one gadget, it would
be prohibitive for my every day use: in my working environment anything
capable of picture recording is strictly disallowed. So I wouldn't be
able to use Neo1973 :-(

So what? Jailed people are often disallowed to use mobile phones at all. 
Should mobile phones manufacturers to give up and stop producing mobile 
phones at all then?
[off] I'm amazed how easily people are giving up their legal rights in 
favor of semi-illegal corporate policies (or similar stuff) which are 
trashing human rights to the hell. As for me, I'll never work in such 
jail-like environment. Do you want to have open and free gadget ... but 
still have jail-like job?Amazing!Freedom is not just a word - it's way 
of life. Think about it. Twice. [/off]

I guess people working under such conditions are less than 10% of total
population, so maybe we won't be considered too much. A pluggable camera
would definitely help!

As for me, I will never use pluggable camera.Its a separate thing which 
can be lost, forgotten and broken easily (the plug itself is a weak 
place).And it reduces device usability to the hell.Early mobiles 
attempted to use pluggable cameras but it looks like this attempt has 
miserably failed.It has been incredible unpopular idea and died without 
success.However I have nothing against the following: two models, one 
with camera and one without it. However I have no idea how hard and 
costly this to implement (usually, developing 2 devices costs more but 
probably dropping features is relatively easy - just do not solder some 
parts on same PCB and use a bit altered case).


P.S. Of course you can safely ignore my dumb mumblings but before doing 
so, consider that I closely dealt with mobile phones internals since 
2000 and usability is my primary job.


2ALL: sorry for semi-flaming message.


Andreas

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Re: New Topic: Community List Privacy Concerns

[Sven Neuhaus]

Ryan Kline wrote:
> I may be being a bit paranoid, but with all this "online predator" stuff
> going on, I am a bit concerned about my privacy within the list. For
> example, although you must be a member of the list to view a list of all
> list subscribers, 

You can set an option in your mailing list preferences to not appear in the
list of subscribers.

> anyone can view the "list archives" which include our
> emails with each post. Is there a way that the archives could be
> Subscriber-Only? I would feel a bit more secure that only 845 people can
> access my name and email.

There is more than one public archive for this list. Hiding your
e-mail-address is not an option in this scenario.

-Sven

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Re: R: Camera and MMS

[Ian Stirling]

t3st3r wrote:


Andreas Kaeser wrote:


Michele Manzato wrote:


Voting for integrated Camera as well ...



Well, as much as I would like a camera in my all-in-one gadget, it would
be prohibitive for my every day use: in my working environment anything
capable of picture recording is strictly disallowed. So I wouldn't be
able to use Neo1973 :-(

So what? Jailed people are often disallowed to use mobile phones at 
all. Should mobile phones manufacturers to give up and stop producing 
mobile phones at all then?



Ok...

What might be a possible solution would be a "user removable" camera.
Open back, remove battery, unscrew 3 tiny screws, unclick wire socket, 
remove camera from back.


Also, this might hypothetically allow upgrades.

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Re: R: Camera and MMS

[Alexander Steinert]

> However I have nothing against the following: two models, one 
> with camera and one without it. However I have no idea how hard and 
> costly this to implement (usually, developing 2 devices costs more but 
> probably dropping features is relatively easy - just do not solder some 
> parts on same PCB and use a bit altered case).

I just want to remind you of my suggestion: Camera is internal but neo
has two backs, one with hole(s) for lens (and flash) and another one
covering the camera parts. See point 5 in
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-November/000335.html

Best regards
Stony


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Re: R: Camera and MMS

[Ian Stirling]

Alexander Steinert wrote:



 

However I have nothing against the following: two models, one 
with camera and one without it. However I have no idea how hard and 
costly this to implement (usually, developing 2 devices costs more but 
probably dropping features is relatively easy - just do not solder some 
parts on same PCB and use a bit altered case).
   



I just want to remind you of my suggestion: Camera is internal but neo
has two backs, one with hole(s) for lens (and flash) and another one
covering the camera parts. See point 5 in
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-November/000335.html
 

Having a camera trivially (pop back off, take piccy) enableable may be a 
problem.
It would be nice if the camera with one back was a fingerprint scanner, 
with the other a camera, and with no back, just a blur - from the 'no 
camera' rules point of view.


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Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

[t3st3r]

Robert Michel wrote:

[...deleted]
  

I've tried Yahoo mail, didn't like it, I even tried Fastmail in the
past. (which was slow)

Gmail is responsive for me, and has a lot of good features that I like
and that I use.
And so far I have yet to see any proof of Google actively scr*wing
over their customers, by violating their privacy. Yes they add ads on
the side of the page by scanning your email, 



Yes, google is scanning *my* email and selling adds fitting to
the mail - maybe also selling informations about me to others...

You as gmail user has agreed that google is allowed to 
- scan *my* email

- to save *my* email as long as google likes.
  
That's why I do not like Google Mail. As we Russians say, "if you can 
see free cheese, beware: this usually means there is a mousetrap".As for 
me, Google collects too much private data.And even if Google is "not 
evil", when it comes that Big Brother asks to share some data, it is 
hard or impossible to deny such request. Google already had some issues 
with this. So, free cheese is cool but actually it often has high price 
hidden a bit. Each mouse knows this but not each and every human does 
:).It is interesting, does someone still remembers that privacy is still 
your right?
  
I can't understand why people so close-fisted not spending 
some US$/Euros a year for a mailservice without advertisement

and data mining. When more users would do this, better
services would be on the market.
  
I'm already learned that perfect service possible only if you'll set up 
your own server so everything works like YOU want. Everything else is 
... well, acceptable at most.

My sound was wrong - I just want make you think that you
are give away you and others privatcy for a free webmailservice.

And when the webmailer is also reason for trouble
  
I'm do not care about google mail. However it is quite strange that when 
I'm about to reply, there is actual message author in To: and mailing 
list in CC: in my Thunderbird.As for me, this is inconvienient. IMHO, 
list address should be in "from" header by default, isn't it?


[rest of mail is deleted]

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Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

[t3st3r]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

For instance:

Proposed wiki page:

  How to respond to list email:

  1. Never remove any "re: " in the message subject. Some (not all) email
clients use this to identify the thread.

  2. If your email client adds the original poster and other 
addressees to the

"Cc:" field, remove them. You should always respond only to the list.
This will not work. Defaults will prevail. Everyone will do at least few 
replies with these ugly CCs before (s)he will get idea that something is 
wrong.Already tested on my own ass - got some of these double-messages 
just now.


Real fix: set up mailing list to put its own address 
(community@lists.openmoko.org) into into Reply-to: header and instruct 
people to hit Reply (not Reply all).I hope google cares about this 
header as well? These CCs are possible even with regular mail client, 
too. With default state of things I have to remove original sender 
manually and insert mailing list into To: field instead. In no way I 
want to mail to original sender directly when using mailing list.


P.S. I'm stopping replying to this "google story" thread. It isn't 
interesting - flame mode off.


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Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 14 February 2007 11:52, t3st3r wrote:
[snip]
> I'm do not care about google mail. However it is quite strange that when
> I'm about to reply, there is actual message author in To: and mailing
> list in CC: in my Thunderbird.As for me, this is inconvienient. IMHO,
> list address should be in "from" header by default, isn't it?

Originally filed as a bug back in 2000(!) there's now a Thunderbird extension 
that adds a Reply-To-List button.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715
http://cweiske.de/misc_extensions.htm#replyToList

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Asterisk Channel Driver to allow Bluetooth Cell/Mobile Phones to be used as FXO devices.

[Robert Michel]

Salve!

A good friend of mine told me that there is a new
patch out for asterisk to use a mobile with Bluetooth
for *inbound* calls ;))) 

chan_cellphone-- Use Bluetooth cell / mobile phones as FXO devices

see: http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=8919 
--snipp--
 Asterisk Channel Driver to allow Bluetooth Cell/Mobile Phones to be
 used as FXO devices.

 Multiple cell phones can be connected. Asterisk automatically connects 
 to each cell phone when it comes in range.
 Command to discover bluetooth devices. Useful for configuration Inbound 
 calls to the cell phones are handled by Asterisk, just like inbound 
 calls on a Zap channel.
 CLI passed through on inbound calls. Dial outbound on a cell phone 
 using Dial(CELL/device/nnn) in the dialplan.
 Application CellStatus can be used in the dialplan to see if a cell
 phone is connected. Supports devicestate for dialplan hinting.
--snapp--

The mobil must support the Bluetooth Handsfree Profile
http://www.bluetooth.com/NR/rdonlyres/94EAD32B-3E70-4AEC-9CD5-1E3F887A15F4/917/HFPSpecVersion1_0.pdf
 
As far as I saw on this webpage, yet supported/positiv tested
 phones are:

Nokia Series 40 phones
Nokia 6230i
LG TU500 CU500
RIM Blackberry 7250
Sony Ericsson 'T'&'K'&'V' Series phones
VK2020
Motorola L6 
Motorola V3 

For more info, read the bugtrackpage about this patch:
http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=8919
and the cellphone.txt
http://bugs.digium.com/file_download.php?file_id=12910&type=bug 


This patch is about inbound calls, IMHO a good starting point
for integrate outbound calls via Bluetooth into OpenMoko. 
I expect when routing calls over an asterisk server, that
even hand over from GSM to Bluetooth and Bluetooth to GSM 
will be possible :))

Greetings,
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Wiki is open

[Tomasz Zielinski]

It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-)

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Re: Wiki is open

[denis]

Tomasz Zielinski schrieb:

It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-)



For me it seems to be verly slow at the moment. But it is great to see 
progress on this site.


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Mockups! (was: Wiki is open)

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

One thing to add here, please understand that all "screenshots" in the
Wiki are containing Mockups [renderings] done by our Designers, not actual
screenshots.

With the current software and hardware stack it's not possible to
completely programmatically recreate these rich renderings, however they
indicate where our goal is.

Thanks.

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Re: Wiki is open

[Pierre Hébert]

On Wednesday 14 February 2007, Tomasz Zielinski wrote:
> It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-)

The documentation is awesome ! Tons of datasheets, links to patches, 
etc. :-)

Marvellous works !!!
(It is worth waiting a bit, thank you guys !)


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Re:Wiki is open

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Tomasz Zielinski writes:
>It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-)

Looks like the answers to just about every question people have had
about V1 is on there!

What a rich, rich source of information.  I want one


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Re: Wiki is open

[Richard Franks]

On 2/14/07, Tomasz Zielinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-)


Neat!

http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/

is now open too - should be enough info to chew upon for a while :-)

Richard

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Re: Wiki is open

[Milan Votava]

Congratulation! Great job.

Milan

At 16:43 14.2.2007, you wrote:

It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-)

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Re: Wiki is open

[Piotr Duda]

and so bugzilla:
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/

but I suppose that everybody knows that - it is working so slow ;-)

Tomasz Zielinski napisał(a):
> It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-)
> 


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Re: Wiki is open

[Richard Franks]

On 2/14/07, Piotr Duda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

and so bugzilla:
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/


and also:

svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk trunk

:-)

Richard

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Re: Wiki is open

[Denis Kot]

better look here!
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Look_%26_Feel
I want it much more now!! :)

2007/2/14, Richard Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On 2/14/07, Piotr Duda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and so bugzilla:
> http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/

and also:

svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk trunk

:-)

Richard

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For German Readers: Technology Review article about Sean and Open Moko

[christoph . schweers]

Interesting ;)



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Re: Idea: Caller set ringtone

[Derek Pressnall]

I think the best way to handle this is to set up a vcard server
online.  Anyone can register their vcard which is associated with
their phone number.  Now when you get a call from someone, when you
add the number to your address book you'd have the option of
automatically retrieving the info online.  Security options can be set
so that your vcard is only visible to people you call, or specific
people, etc.
Ring tones, picture, etc. could be extended fields on the vcard (the
field would actually contain a URL pointing the the picture /
ringtone, etc.)  Well, maybe it's not a good idea to host the
ringtones, since that could get the hosting provider in trouble with
the riaa, etc.  But picture hosting shouldn't be an issue.

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Re: For German Readers: Technology Review article about Sean and Open Moko

[denis]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:

Interesting ;)



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Thank's for waking me up on this article. :)

Regards from Germany.

Denis

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Re: Recipe for setting up OpenEmbedded environment on wiki

[Koen Kooi]

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Richi Plana schreef:
> On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 17:27 +0100, Koen Kooi wrote:
>> I still fail to observe the localconf recipe that you deleted from here
>>>
>>> http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/OpenEmbedded/SettingUpOEForUbuntu
>>>
>>> on the OE site here
>>>
>>> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/LocalConfExamples
>>>
>>> Or indeed anywhere else on the OpenEmbedded wiki.  Perhaps you can point 
>>> out where it is?
>> http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ToolChain
> 
> :lol: ... I think now would be a good time to add a link / reference to where
> the information most logically should be located from where it is also likely
> to be expected. :)
> 
> Anyone?

wiki.openmoko.org?

regards,

Koen
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[ANNOUNCE] openmoko.org goes public

[Harald Welte]

Hi!

It is my pleasure to announce that as of now, we have opened public
access to

Our main portal:
http://www.openmoko.org/

Our public wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/

Our subversion server:
http://svn.openmoko.org/
http://svnweb.openmoko.org/

Our bugzilla:
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/

Our 'developer file dump'
http://people.openmoko.org/

Our GForge installation
http://projects.openmoko.org/

Please also note that
http://lists.openmoko.org/
now has a number of more mailinglists.  To understand which list is used
for what, I suggest reading
https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_resources#Mailing_Lists

As indicated before, we are far from a finished end-user ready product. 

Also, please note, that given our current small team size, we will
probably take quite a bit until we can respond to all your
suggestions/comments and even contributions.  We hope for your
understanding and patience.

Cheers,
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Re: Wiki is open

[Krzysztof Kajkowski]

It timeouts from my location ;(

I'm from Warsaw, Poland (using Neostrada)

cayco
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also people.openmoko.org Re: Wiki is open

[Robert Michel]

Salve Tomasz,*!

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Tomasz Zielinski wrote:

> It looks like http://wiki.openmoko.org is open to public :-)
GREAT stuff there :

Also under people.openmoko.org - I asked Mickey and all
pictures and documents there are also for the public :))
like:
http://people.openmoko.org/laforge/photos/GTA01v3_back_highres.jpg
http://people.openmoko.org/laforge/photos/gta01-sd-simcard/1024_img_5095.jpg
http://people.openmoko.org/laforge/photos/gta01-sd-simcard/1024_img_5100.jpg
(sorry I was in a hurry much more there what I haven't seen)

:) what a great device :)

What a pitty that it haven't be anounced at the 3GSM,
but with a active community activity and feedback 
the public will notice it, at last the ICT people ;)
And the technical details on the openmoko.org webserver
is absolutly great stuff!

Cheers!
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OpenMoko wiki/bugzilla/etc are up but are not responding

[michael]

Looks like we brought down the server(s). We must have all jumped on at the
same time.

Let's give them a bit of time to fix the problem without forcing them to move
to bigger servers, which would take longer.

And perhaps we should set up mirrors as soon as possible. I've never set up a
mirror - what's involved in that?

Michael


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Re: also people.openmoko.org Re: Wiki is open

[Rodolphe Ortalo]

Le mercredi 14 février 2007 à 18:14 +0100, Robert Michel a écrit :
[...]
> What a pitty that it haven't be anounced at the 3GSM,
> but with a active community activity and feedback 
> the public will notice it, at last the ICT people ;)
> And the technical details on the openmoko.org webserver
> is absolutly great stuff!


It still times out from France too...


Rodolphe



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RE: [ANNOUNCE] openmoko.org goes public

[David Schlesinger]

Congratulations!

It might be worth mentioning (or not; I'm going to do it anyway) that the 
"Hiker Application Framework", which ACCESS released shortly before Christmas 
as an open source project under the MPLv1.1 license, has a new home as well: 
www.hikerproject.org.

We haven't yet got all of the features that the openmoko site does--I'm our 
sole resource working on this right now--but I'm planning on adding a wiki, a 
Subversion repository, etc. 

Mailing lists should be up within a week or so: I'm in New York this week for a 
Linux Foundation meeting, so I'm not going to have much bandwidth for the next 
little while to work on this...


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Harald Welte
Sent: Wed 2/14/2007 9:02 AM
To: announce@lists.openmoko.org
Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] openmoko.org goes public
 
Hi!

It is my pleasure to announce that as of now, we have opened public
access to

Our main portal:
http://www.openmoko.org/

Our public wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/

Our subversion server:
http://svn.openmoko.org/
http://svnweb.openmoko.org/

Our bugzilla:
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/

Our 'developer file dump'
http://people.openmoko.org/

Our GForge installation
http://projects.openmoko.org/

Please also note that
http://lists.openmoko.org/
now has a number of more mailinglists.  To understand which list is used
for what, I suggest reading
https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_resources#Mailing_Lists

As indicated before, we are far from a finished end-user ready product. 

Also, please note, that given our current small team size, we will
probably take quite a bit until we can respond to all your
suggestions/comments and even contributions.  We hope for your
understanding and patience.

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: OpenMoko wiki/bugzilla/etc are up but are not responding

[Denis Kot]

working fine from Belarus...

2007/2/14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Looks like we brought down the server(s). We must have all jumped on at the
same time.

Let's give them a bit of time to fix the problem without forcing them to move
to bigger servers, which would take longer.

And perhaps we should set up mirrors as soon as possible. I've never set up a
mirror - what's involved in that?

Michael


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Catching touch input

[Alan Ide]

Ok, I have been pouring over the Wiki since it was opened today, and all I
can say is THANK YOU, and thats a WHOLE lot of data to go through. Oh and
the pictures sure are pretty.

Anyhow, I have decided to try some "testing" using SDL on this platform, but
obviously the Neo1973 dosnt have any keyboard or mouse input, only touch
screen (which I love BTW). So, how does one go about catching touch input to
use inside of a program? I assume its handled like a mouse click event,
passing the XY data and a clicked flag to a system variable somewhere, but
how do I access such data?? I have been looking for a breakdown of internal
OpenMoko library functions, but really confused by all the data.

To be honest, im not entirely sure where to look for my answer, that is why
I figured I would just ask you folks, since you seem so on the ball. Thanx
in advance.
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Re: Catching touch input

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Alan Ide wrote:
>  Anyhow, I have decided to try some "testing" using SDL on this
> platform, but obviously the Neo1973 dosnt have any keyboard or mouse
> input, only touch screen (which I love BTW). So, how does one go
> about catching touch input to use inside of a program? I assume its
> handled like a mouse click event, passing the XY data and a clicked
> flag to a system variable somewhere, but how do I access such data??

SDL catches mouse input differently depending on which backend it uses, however 
to the SDL application programmer, you should just transparently get 
SDL_MOUSEMOTION and SDL_MOUSEBUTTON* events in our main loop.

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Re: For German Readers: Technology Review article about Sean and Open Moko

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

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> Interesting ;)
>
> 

Strangely it hasn't shown up at Technology Review's US site, 
http://www.technologyreview.com/

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SIM Interface

[Andrew Papia]

I am a SIM developer and I am very interesting in getting my hands on an open 
phone so I can develop mobile applications that make use of the SIM.  What is 
the interface to the SIM like on OpenMoko?  I've read you can query phone book 
entries.  What else can you do?  Can you send abitrary APDUs?

-Andy

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Help: Getting an OpenMoko Programming Environment Set Up on Ubuntu Linux

[Ryan Kline]

Hello Everyone--
	With all the excitement over all the new OpenMoko information, I am  
utterly confused about what I need to set up on my Linux VM to get me  
ready to program (even though i don't know how) for OpenMoko. I have  
already installed OpenEmbedded using the tutorial on the linuxtogo  
wiki (now on the OE website). I have an extremely basic knowledge of  
working with this stuff, so be as specific as possible. Thank you for  
all your previous help.


-ryan

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No stylus on V1 release?

[kkr]

I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one?





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Re: SIM Interface

[denis]

SIM = Simple Instant Messenger? 

I'm using SIM for nearly 3 years and I really like it. (although there are
some bugs, perhaps I could write you a mail later on) In my opinion it would
be nice to see SIM on OpenMoko. 

Denis

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I am a SIM developer and I am very interesting in getting my hands on an
open phone so I can develop mobile applications that make use of the SIM.
What is the interface to the SIM like on OpenMoko?  I've read you can query
phone book entries.  What else can you do?  Can you send abitrary APDUs?

-Andy

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Re: SIM Interface

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 17:22, Andrew Papia wrote:
> What is the interface to the SIM like on OpenMoko?  I've read
> you can query phone book entries.  What else can you do?  Can
> you send abitrary APDUs?

You should have a look at the libgsm/gsmd:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd

regards
Stefan Schmidt


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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote:
> I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one?

It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it.

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Stefan Schmidt


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Re: openswan klips and nat-t patches for openmoko added

[Paul Wouters]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Richi Plana wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 17:44 +0100, Paul Wouters wrote:
> > I built the 2.6.17.7 kernel using all the patches from quilt. Worked
> > like a charm.
>
> When you say "Worked like a charm", did you just mean that it compiled

Actually, I meant it patched fine :)

Of course, we did find a bug in the nat-t patch today that in fact broke
nat-t when using NETKEY. The fix is confirmed and comitted to cvs and
will be in openswan-2.4.8 which I'll release tomorrow. So whoever is
gathering patches for openmoko, wait until the 2.4.8 nat-t patch is on
the ftp server tomorrow.

> cleanly? Or that you tested the compiled kernel (either on an emulator
> or similar hardware ... or, dare I hope, the actual Neo1973!)?

It took me a few hours today to get a working environment going, and openmoko
has been compiling for a few hours now and is still running. So no compile
test yet. And no, I have no physical hardware yet to test :P

Besides, this is just the kernel part. We also need to package up openswan
userland for the openmoko. But it will take me a while to get used to the
openmoko build system. I am new to SVN, openembedded, monotome and bitbake,
since for openswan we actually use git for the new trees, and cvs for the
2.4 tree.

Paul

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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

[kkr]

:-(

I hope it will have a place for it on the V2... For not to lose it.



Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 01:19 +0100, Stefan Schmidt a écrit :
> Hello.
> 
> On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote:
> > I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one?
> 
> It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it.
> 
> regards
> Stefan Schmidt
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Re: New Topic: Community List Privacy Concerns

[Myk Melez]

Sven Neuhaus wrote:

anyone can view the "list archives" which include our
emails with each post. Is there a way that the archives could be
Subscriber-Only? I would feel a bit more secure that only 845 people can
access my name and email.



There is more than one public archive for this list. Hiding your
e-mail-address is not an option in this scenario.
  


I'd add that public archives of mailing lists can be very helpful to 
non-subscribers looking for information that was conveyed on that list.


I regularly find answers to questions in the public archives of mailing 
lists that I'm not subscribed to (and would never know to subscribe to 
if I didn't find their archives on Google).


-myk

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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Stefan Schmidt writes:
>Hello.
>
>On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote:
>> I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one?
>
>It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it.

Ouch.  I'll move that to #1 on my wish-list for V2

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emulator?

[Perry E. Metzger]

I presume that the answer is "no", but is there software available to
emulate the hardware at this point for application development
purposes? (If not, I wonder if QEMU can be twisted into doing at
least part of it...)

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Re: No stylus on V1 release?

[Harald Welte]

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 01:40:04AM +0100, kkr wrote:
> :-(
> 
> I hope it will have a place for it on the V2... For not to lose it.

we have a stylus that's way too cool to hide it in a device.

Sean was about to get some photos of that stylus, but then, as you
imagine, there's higher priority items for us at the moment.

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