Re: Helios

[Duncan Hudson]

Dean Collins wrote:


The new Helio looks suspiciously oval… J

Love the dual sliding keypad concept though.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/helios-pantech-pn-810-qwerty-device-pops-up-in-fcc 



That's a nice looking phone! And it has an FCC filing to boot - I guess 
we'll be seeing it on shelves long before we see the Neo1973.


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Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[michael]

1. SVHMPC has invited us to use their discount code by claiming to be a
  member of their club. Code is below.

2. If anyone wants to sign us up, some more info:



-- Forwarded message --

There's actually a web site for community organizers to use to register their 
groups with O'Reilly. You get a discount on conferences, and it looks like you 
can get complementary copies of books for the purpose of reviewing them in 
newsletters.


The URL is http://ug.oreilly.com/

Cool stuff.

Looking forward to seeing everyone there!

-Cheers
-Matt H.

P.S. - I don't know what O'Reilly's policy on groups sharing discount codes is, 
but our group is very inclusive. That is, you can be a member simply by saying, 
"Hey, I'm interested in this stuff, I want to identify with others working on 
open mobile phones." So if you can't get a discount code for your group in 
time, I'm happy to "claim" anyone in the OpenMoko community as also being a 
member of the homebrew mobile phone club. Our interests are aligned, so I don't 
think it's a stretch. Please feel free to tell interested OpenMoko members 
about the fact that we published our discount code on our list ( which is 
available in our list archives at 
http://telefono.revejo.org/pipermail/svhmpc_telefono.revejo.org/2007-February/000689.html 
)


> 
> Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:
> 
> > > Emerging Telephony Conference:

> > > Use code "etel07fnf40" when you register, and receive 40% off the
> > > registration price.


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RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[Dean Collins]

For people that are going - if you want to check out a really good voip
session go along and see Tim Panton talking about Mexuar Corraleta and
Asterisk

 

http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/etel2007/view/e_sess/11848

 

(for those that have no idea what I'm talking about www.asterisk.org
  www.Mexuar.com  

http://www.mexuar.com/downloads/Level1Products/CorraletaDemoSound.swf )

 

 

:-) little bit self serving but hey it's going to be a huge event.

 

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
+1-212-203-4357 Ph





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David
Schlesinger
Sent: Wednesday, 21 February 2007 7:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; OpenMoko -- OpenMoko
Subject: RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

 

I've already registered, and paid, for this...

=/


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 2/21/2007 4:42 PM
To: OpenMoko -- OpenMoko
Subject: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in
charge
registers us as a group.

To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?





-- Forwarded message --
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony Conference Discount

Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres.,
organizer) of a group to register.  Looks like some good benefits for
groups
to join.

Paul

> -Original Message-
>>
>> Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:
>>
 Emerging Telephony Conference:
 Use code "xxx" when you register, and receive 40% off the
 registration price.

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RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[michael]

Wish it could have been sooner, but I just heard about it today.

Unless someone "official" wants to register the group, perhaps it will be left
to the first person who intends to register but hasn't paid yet.

M



On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, David Schlesinger wrote:


I've already registered, and paid, for this...

=/


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wed 2/21/2007 4:42 PM
To: OpenMoko -- OpenMoko
Subject: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge
registers us as a group.

To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?





-- Forwarded message --
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony Conference Discount

Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres.,
organizer) of a group to register.  Looks like some good benefits for groups
to join.

Paul


-Original Message-


Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:


Emerging Telephony Conference:
Use code "xxx" when you register, and receive 40% off the
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RE: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[David Schlesinger]

I've already registered, and paid, for this...

=/


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 2/21/2007 4:42 PM
To: OpenMoko -- OpenMoko
Subject: Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)
 
Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge
registers us as a group.

To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?





-- Forwarded message --
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony Conference Discount

Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres.,
organizer) of a group to register.  Looks like some good benefits for groups
to join.

Paul

> -Original Message-
>>
>> Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:
>>
 Emerging Telephony Conference:
 Use code "xxx" when you register, and receive 40% off the
 registration price.

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Emerging Telephony Conference Discount (fwd)

[michael]

Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge
registers us as a group.

To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?





-- Forwarded message --
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony Conference Discount

Any user group can do this ... they want just one person (chair, pres.,
organizer) of a group to register.  Looks like some good benefits for groups
to join.

Paul


-Original Message-


Our user group get's a discount from O'Reilly for ETel:


Emerging Telephony Conference:
Use code "xxx" when you register, and receive 40% off the
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Helios

[Dean Collins]

The new Helio looks suspiciously oval... :-)

 

Love the dual sliding keypad concept though.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/helios-pantech-pn-810-qwerty-device-p
ops-up-in-fcc 

 

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
www.Collins.net.pr/blog 

 

 

 

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Re: Porting OpenMoko to other platforms

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 00:02, Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> * Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070221 23:28]:
> > 
> > It already runs on HTC universal and work on for HTC's with qvga
> > display in ongoing.
> 
> How well does it run on the HTC universal?
> (aka, is it possible to take a phone call or initiate it without
> entering cmdline commands?)

As far as I know no. Best would be to ask HTC devs for it. goxboxlive
(Sorry don't know his realname) and Philipp Zabel work on it.

regards
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Re: Porting OpenMoko to other platforms

[Andreas Kostyrka]

* Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070221 23:28]:
> Hello.
> 
> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 12:39, Nathan Williams wrote:
> >   Does anyone have a list of active projects that will be porting
> >   OpenMoko to other hardware platforms?  I currently own a phone
> >   and a Zaurus clamshell and would love replace them both with
> >   OpenMoko on the HTC Universal (known by many other names as
> >   well) or on the new i-Mate Ultimate 7150 that will be out
> >   shortly.
> 
> It already runs on HTC universal and work on for HTC's with qvga
> display in ongoing.

How well does it run on the HTC universal?
(aka, is it possible to take a phone call or initiate it without
entering cmdline commands?)

Andreas

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Re: Porting OpenMoko to other platforms

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 12:39, Nathan Williams wrote:
>   Does anyone have a list of active projects that will be porting
>   OpenMoko to other hardware platforms?  I currently own a phone
>   and a Zaurus clamshell and would love replace them both with
>   OpenMoko on the HTC Universal (known by many other names as
>   well) or on the new i-Mate Ultimate 7150 that will be out
>   shortly.

It already runs on HTC universal and work on for HTC's with qvga
display in ongoing.

Work for the EZX phones is in progress. No idea about zaurus.

>   How difficult is it to get OpenMoko running on other platforms?
>   Is getting a Linux kernel up and running the hard part and the
>   software would just need to be compiled for the
>   platform/environment or is there more to it than this?

New 2.6 kernel should be the hardest part. Compiling for your device
needs perhaps some tweaking, but should be the easy part.

regards
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Porting OpenMoko to other platforms

[Nathan Williams]

  Does anyone have a list of active projects that will be porting OpenMoko to 
other hardware platforms?  I currently own a phone and a Zaurus clamshell and 
would love replace them both with OpenMoko on the HTC Universal (known by many 
other names as well) or on the new i-Mate Ultimate 7150 that will be out 
shortly.
   
  How difficult is it to get OpenMoko running on other platforms?  Is getting a 
Linux kernel up and running the hard part and the software would just need to 
be compiled for the platform/environment or is there more to it than this?
   
  Nate
  
 


 
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Re: Schematics/PCB

[Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa]

Hi!

On 2/21/07, Justyn Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I certainly wouldn't expect them (FIC) to make the schematics/PCB "free to
use", which would enable people to legally copy FIC's investment.

But what real advantage can there be to keeping them closed? I would at
least like this explained to me. As far as I know, any company wishing to
make illegal knockoffs can just X-ray the boards (to read the layers) and
therefore reproduce the PCB and schematics. After all, they have an
incentive to put the time in. But hobbyist hackers don't have this time.


Yep, you are right, but as for hardware many people just don't like to
release the schematics.  But there is people who actually release
them, like bitscope, and they actually have a business running from
it.



I would also like to be able to repair the phone when it inevitably becomes
damaged (in a few years, say). It is very frustrating when repairing
consumer electronics that you just can't find the necessary information
anywhere, ie what the ICs are (topcodes are next to useless). Quite often
just a power transistor or the like needs to be replaced, but it is
incredibly time-consuming understanding the function of each part of the
circuit when you can only see part of it.


That's another reason to NOT release, some companies like to charge
for repairing or for "repairing manuales", and make it a part of their
business, and thus don't like to release the info for free.



Justyn


Ildefonso.





On 21/02/07, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I second the schematic request.  But I doubt that they release them,
> the same happen with agenda.  Anyway, if they doesn't release the
> schematics, and I get myself one of these phones, we would need to
> analize the pcb and try to get an idea on the design in order to
> modify it.  It can be done, but it will take longer.
>
> I hope they release the schematic.
>
> c-ya!
>
> Ildefonso Camargo
>
> On 2/20/07, Justyn Butler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd been assuming that  the PCB and/or schematics for the Neo1973 had
been
> > made available along with the source code. Looking now, I realise that
they
> > haven't.
> >
> > I'm a hardware kind of person, and I've been looking forward to creating
> > add-ons and modifications to my Neo1973 the second it arrives. Clearly
the
> > schematic at least is required for this to be as convenient as I've
imagined
> > an open-source project would be. A good example is adding things to the
I2C
> > bus.
> >
> > Searching the mailing lists and google I'm now feeling worried that I've
> > misunderstood, and that the schematics/layouts won't be available. I'm
> > hoping this isn't the case, perhaps they'll become available when the
phone
> > reaches phase 1, or with the hacker's lunchbox.
> >
> > Could someone tell me what's planned here?
> >
> > Justyn
> >
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Re: Schematics/PCB

[Justyn Butler]

I certainly wouldn't expect them (FIC) to make the schematics/PCB "free to
use", which would enable people to legally copy FIC's investment.

But what real advantage can there be to keeping them closed? I would at
least like this explained to me. As far as I know, any company wishing to
make illegal knockoffs can just X-ray the boards (to read the layers) and
therefore reproduce the PCB and schematics. After all, they have an
incentive to put the time in. But hobbyist hackers don't have this time.

I would also like to be able to repair the phone when it inevitably becomes
damaged (in a few years, say). It is very frustrating when repairing
consumer electronics that you just can't find the necessary information
anywhere, ie what the ICs are (topcodes are next to useless). Quite often
just a power transistor or the like needs to be replaced, but it is
incredibly time-consuming understanding the function of each part of the
circuit when you can only see part of it.

Justyn


On 21/02/07, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Hi!

I second the schematic request.  But I doubt that they release them,
the same happen with agenda.  Anyway, if they doesn't release the
schematics, and I get myself one of these phones, we would need to
analize the pcb and try to get an idea on the design in order to
modify it.  It can be done, but it will take longer.

I hope they release the schematic.

c-ya!

Ildefonso Camargo

On 2/20/07, Justyn Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd been assuming that  the PCB and/or schematics for the Neo1973 had
been
> made available along with the source code. Looking now, I realise that
they
> haven't.
>
> I'm a hardware kind of person, and I've been looking forward to creating
> add-ons and modifications to my Neo1973 the second it arrives. Clearly
the
> schematic at least is required for this to be as convenient as I've
imagined
> an open-source project would be. A good example is adding things to the
I2C
> bus.
>
> Searching the mailing lists and google I'm now feeling worried that I've
> misunderstood, and that the schematics/layouts won't be available. I'm
> hoping this isn't the case, perhaps they'll become available when the
phone
> reaches phase 1, or with the hacker's lunchbox.
>
> Could someone tell me what's planned here?
>
> Justyn
>
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Re: Schematics/PCB

[Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa]

Hi!

I second the schematic request.  But I doubt that they release them,
the same happen with agenda.  Anyway, if they doesn't release the
schematics, and I get myself one of these phones, we would need to
analize the pcb and try to get an idea on the design in order to
modify it.  It can be done, but it will take longer.

I hope they release the schematic.

c-ya!

Ildefonso Camargo

On 2/20/07, Justyn Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

I'd been assuming that  the PCB and/or schematics for the Neo1973 had been
made available along with the source code. Looking now, I realise that they
haven't.

I'm a hardware kind of person, and I've been looking forward to creating
add-ons and modifications to my Neo1973 the second it arrives. Clearly the
schematic at least is required for this to be as convenient as I've imagined
an open-source project would be. A good example is adding things to the I2C
bus.

Searching the mailing lists and google I'm now feeling worried that I've
misunderstood, and that the schematics/layouts won't be available. I'm
hoping this isn't the case, perhaps they'll become available when the phone
reaches phase 1, or with the hacker's lunchbox.

Could someone tell me what's planned here?

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Wiki events--listing the top 5 items

[Doug Parker]

FYI:

I have a question posted on MediaWiki help site to find if there's an
extension that will allow a list of items to be kept on page A (a complete
listing of events, for example), allow that list to be added to and changed
chronologically, but have only the top X number of entries display on page
B.

I don't remember who was asking for this, but it sounded helpful, so I went
looking for it.

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Re: GPS time synch

[Cedric BAIL]

On Tuesday 20 February 2007 14:39, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:47:23PM +1100, Mark Chandler wrote:
> >>> Would it be possible to keep the Neo's internal clock accurate using
> >>> time stamps from GPS information?
> >>
> >> yes.
> >
> > That is only during GPS being powered up, of course. We probably don't
> > want it to be powered unconditionally, since it drains quite some
> > power.
>
> Out of curiosity, how bad is the GPS power drain? There are
> applications I would like (such as automatically turning the ringer
> back on when the phone is inside my home -- I always forget to do that
> and miss calls) that require location information at reasonably
> frequent intervals...

For that kind of use, the CellID could be used to know if your are near your 
home, and you can power up the GPS at this time to know more precisely where 
you are.
I wonder if we can retrieve from the GSM the current preferred CellID, 
or the 
list of available CellID and other info regarding our current location inside 
the GSM network (without activating GPS, we can learn in which country we are 
with some of this information).

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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Am 21.02.2007 um 13:43 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl:


On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:06:25 Stefan Schmidt wrote:


http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm
http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm
http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm


The e2881 would be a perfect match for me if it could be made to run
openmoko... It sounds almost unbelievably small (12.5mm thick...)

Has anyone ever seen any e28 phones in the wild?


The previous generation E2800 was available in Europe for some time  
(2005).


I did resell some in my online-shop (http://www.handheld-linux.com/ 
wiki.php?page=E2800)

but have not used it myself.

The new ones have been announced in Barcelona for March 2007 and beyond.

IMHO important to note: the e2881 has a QVGA (320x240) display.

Nikolaus

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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 13:43, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:06:25 Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> 
> > http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm
> > http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm
> > http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm
> 
> The e2881 would be a perfect match for me if it could be made to run 
> openmoko... It sounds almost unbelievably small (12.5mm thick...)
> 
> Has anyone ever seen any e28 phones in the wild?

The more intersting question is where is the source? Anybody found it?
When we have kernel source and a way to reflash the phone OpenMoko
could be a possibility.

regards
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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:53:00 Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Wow.  The E2862 is really, really beautiful.  The web page for that
> product doesn't mention openmoko; I don't read German, so does the
> original article say it does?

The article primarily is about linux on mobile phones. Doesn't say e28 uses 
OpenMoko but I doubt it as e28 has been selling Linux phones for a while now.

I wonder what it is running, qtopia maybe?


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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Marc Verwerft]

They just specify that it runs GNU/Linux. No mention of OpenMoko,
since it's a different company then FIC, it doesn't surprise me.
OTOH, they are quad band phones with WLAN and VOIP. The 2862 also has GPS.

And yes, I like the design also :-)

Greetings,

Marc Verwerft


On 2/21/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Stefan Schmidt writes:
>
>UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28
>
>http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm
>http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm
>http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm

Wow.  The E2862 is really, really beautiful.  The web page for that
product doesn't mention openmoko; I don't read German, so does the
original article say it does?


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Re: Forums Page?

[Redvers Davies]

On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 14:19 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> Usenet was (well, is, but it has been dying for a long time)

at 3.2Tb of data a day it's far from dead.

> The bad part was that the flood
> fill mechanism means every site in the network has to carry *all*
> traffic even if no one locally is reading a particular
> topic.

... ish.

A usenet server could decide on a group by group or heirarchy by
heirarchy basis what it wanted to take in a feed.  Usenet admins were
encouraged to take everything since that kept article propagation
strongest.

> "Someday" I'd love to create a next generation Usenet that fixed all
> this -- I would distribute only "newsgroup announcements" rather than
> the newsgroups themselves, make the topic namespace subdivided by
> domain names to eliminate the "global namepsace" problem, and use
> a bit-torrent like "centrally tracked but peer to peer distributed"
> transfer method to eliminate the need for giant news spools. However,
> realistically, I'll never have the month to do the work.

There is a project there for sure.  Usenet isn't broken - it just didn't
scale well.  Keeping up with that volume of data now has to be done by
dedicated companies.

I remember when I ran an ISP I siphoned off an almost full newsfeed to
my home machine.  Something that isn't really possible anymore :-)




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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 05:53, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Stefan Schmidt writes:
> >
> >UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28
> >
> >http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm
> >http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm
> >http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm
> 
> Wow.  The E2862 is really, really beautiful.  The web page for that
> product doesn't mention openmoko; I don't read German, so does the
> original article say it does?

No OpenMoko on the E28 phones. The artciles was about two different
linux phone manufactures.

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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Stefan Schmidt writes:
>
>UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28
>
>http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm
>http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm
>http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm

Wow.  The E2862 is really, really beautiful.  The web page for that
product doesn't mention openmoko; I don't read German, so does the
original article say it does?


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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:06:25 Stefan Schmidt wrote:

> http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm
> http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm
> http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm

The e2881 would be a perfect match for me if it could be made to run 
openmoko... It sounds almost unbelievably small (12.5mm thick...)

Has anyone ever seen any e28 phones in the wild?

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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 12:45, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 10:58, Fabian Off wrote:
> > http://www.digital-living-magazin.de/index.php?pid=17&art=2050&cid=DLnewsletter
> > 
> > Interesting article about OpenMoko and FIC (inclunding more phones than 
> > only the Neo1973).
> 
> How do you think that the other phones are the one from FIC? The
> artcile also mentions three devices from e28 Limited. I'm pretty sure
> that the three other phones are from this company.

UPDATE: The other phones *are* from E28

http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2861.htm
http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2862.htm
http://www.e28.com/e28mobile/mobile_e2881.htm

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Re: Wiki Editing Guidelines

[Ole Tange]

On 2/20/07, Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:58:38PM +, Ole Tange wrote:
> On 2/19/07, Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>From reviewing the 'Recent Changes', I have drafted a (currently still)
> >small list of rules for Wiki editing.  It is available at
> >http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines
>
> I like most of the guidelines.
>
> I am not too happy about the Wishlist part, though. Putting "wishlist"
> in the title will imply that an idea can only have 2 states: Being on
> the wishlist or not. And that is not the case.
>
> It is a continuum where an idea progresses from being just a wild idea
> to being a rock solid application.

I agree with you.

However, I would really like to see anything non-factual (or, let's say,
anything that is not on our 'official roadmap') to be clearly marked, if
not better in some specific section of the wiki only.  Or maybe in a
different wiki alltogether(!).  Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate
the creativity of all those suggestions.  But we cannot have more
suggestions/dreams/plans in the wiki than actual, "factual content". I
we run into that case, the wiki simply becomes irrelevant to people who
want to actually practically learn something about OpenMoko and/or the
supported devices.


I understand your concern, but again: A specification may be factual
content - even if there is no implementation.

Would it work if we could mark the pages that describe concepts that
have working code?

I am thinking if it is possible to have MediaWiki put in a warning
flag in the first heading that the concept on this page does not have
working code. This warning should only be displayed if the page does
not have the [[category:working code]].

In any case I would prefer marking the pages that have working code
rather than those that have not. The reason being the pages that have
working code are most likely maintained by people who know what they
are doing, where as new pages may be created by someone who does not
know of this guideline.

/Ole

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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 10:58, Fabian Off wrote:
> http://www.digital-living-magazin.de/index.php?pid=17&art=2050&cid=DLnewsletter
> 
> Interesting article about OpenMoko and FIC (inclunding more phones than only 
> the Neo1973).

How do you think that the other phones are the one from FIC? The
artcile also mentions three devices from e28 Limited. I'm pretty sure
that the three other phones are from this company.

regards
Stefan Schmidt


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Re: Wiki Editing Guidelines

[Lars Hallberg]

Harald Welte skrev:

This is really important not to confuse users.  Imagine somebody
googling for "GSM Phone" and "Wifi" and he ends up in our wiki on a page
that describes what wonderful things you can do with wifi on an [not
explicitly marked as imaginary] OpenEZX phone.  Now that person buys a
device, to only then find out that this is some wishlist/dream of
somebody.


It's even more complicated... OpenMoko being a distribution. An idea may 
or may not be implemented in the distribution. May demand some hardware 
features of the device. Finally, different devices that physically have 
those features may or may not have these feature supported in the 
distribution.


Marking things wishlist is a start, but listing needed hardware features 
is nest step, and when it matures and start being implemented, listing 
supported devices may be a good idea.


But maybe a list of OpenMoke supported devices and what features are 
supported for those devices can replace a list of supported device for 
each application/idea.


/LaH


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Re: for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Carlo E. Prelz]

Subject: for german readers: FIC phones on the way
Date: mer 21 feb 07 10:58:34 +0100

Quoting Fabian Off ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Interesting article about OpenMoko and FIC (inclunding more phones
> than only the Neo1973).

Aah! Including the one with QWERTY keyboard! SO Pretty!

Carlo

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for german readers: FIC phones on the way

[Fabian Off]

http://www.digital-living-magazin.de/index.php?pid=17&art=2050&cid=DLnewsletter

Interesting article about OpenMoko and FIC (inclunding more phones than only 
the Neo1973).


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