Re: Schematics/PCB
On 21/02/07, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's another reason to NOT release, some companies like to charge for repairing or for repairing manuales, and make it a part of their business, and thus don't like to release the info for free. Here's hoping that the OpenMoko project demands better than this. Any official word on this matter from anyone? Justyn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
Wu claims wireless carriers [are] aggressively controlling product design and innovation in the equipment and application markets, to the detriment of consumers. -EE Times For those that haven't seen it yet, Skype is getting in on the action and petitioning the FCC to apply the 1968 Carterfone decision to cell phones too and let consumers buy phones and software of their choosing. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070221-8895.html Skype yesterday petitioned the FCC to lay the smack down on wireless phone carriers who limit subscribers' right to run software communications applications of their choosing (read: Skype software). Skype wants the agency to more stringently apply the famous 1968 Carterfone decision that allowed consumers to hook any device up to the phone network, so long as it did not harm the network. In Skype's eyes, that means allowing any software or applications to run on any devices that access the network. ... Now, while I'm not fan of Skype with their anti-open standards stance (with their proprietary and secret signaling), I do see this action as a good thing for the open source community. Skype is the 800 lb. gorilla of voice over the Internet. With Ebays billions available to them, perhaps they will be able to convince the FCC to change the current stranglehold carriers have over phones and software. -wolfgang ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
Yes, if the phone in question has been locked to another carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy_lock Usually this kind of lock can be removed one way or another. The issues of hardware crippling and data limiting/steering can be harder to remediate. Hope this helps. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabriel Ambuehl Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:42 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation On Thursday 22 February 2007 18:21:51 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Now, while I'm not fan of Skype with their anti-open standards stance (with their proprietary and secret signaling), I do see this action as a good thing for the open source community. Skype is the 800 lb. gorilla of voice over the Internet. With Ebays billions available to them, perhaps they will be able to convince the FCC to change the current stranglehold carriers have over phones and software. Do US GSM carriers *really* stop you from using your SIM in a phone you bought yourself? I could see it applying to CDMA but that's another issue, really. NOTICE: This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information of Motricity. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
On Thursday 22 February 2007 19:43:26 Sam Kome wrote: Yes, if the phone in question has been locked to another carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy_lock Still, nobody really forces you to buy SIM locked phone for all I know. If you want cheap phones, that is usually the price... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
On Thursday 22 February 2007 2:22 pm, Jeff Andros wrote: On 2/22/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 22 February 2007 19:43:26 Sam Kome wrote: Yes, if the phone in question has been locked to another carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy_lock Still, nobody really forces you to buy SIM locked phone for all I know. If you want cheap phones, that is usually the price... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community in the U.S. carriers are basically the only real source of phones... and they only sell one kind. it's also next to impossible to buy a plan without purchasing a phone as well(albeit a heavily subsidized one). while there are retailers that sell sim-unlocked phones most of these are either internet order or slightly shady. as I understand it, most other places this is not the case but it's the reality here when Sean's dad, or other normal consumers go out to purchase a phone, the only trustworthy source they can really find is from the carrier... so it's a self-perpetuating ecosystem My experience has been somewhat different. I purchased my last phone, under a contract, from CellularOne in the US. It's a gsm quad-band Motorola V400. It was unlocked at the time of purchase. I've been off contract for over a year now and have successfully used sims from other carriers. The store from which I purchased the phone has told me that CellOne does not lock its phones. Before I found out about the Neo, I was planning on purchasing my next phone from Nokia's company-owned NYC store, where I got my N800. All of their phones are unlocked. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Thursday 22 February 2007 18:21:51 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Now, while I'm not fan of Skype with their anti-open standards stance (with their proprietary and secret signaling), I do see this action as a good thing for the open source community. Skype is the 800 lb. gorilla of voice over the Internet. With Ebays billions available to them, perhaps they will be able to convince the FCC to change the current stranglehold carriers have over phones and software. Do US GSM carriers *really* stop you from using your SIM in a phone you bought yourself? I could see it applying to CDMA but that's another issue, really. They do disable phones to only work with their network, which has spawned a side industry of people who will 'unlock' your phone for you. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
* Sam Kome [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070222 20:50]: Yes, if the phone in question has been locked to another carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy_lock Well, that's not the carrier stoping you, it's the phone. You know, there are sources for unlocked phones, like stores selling them. They just happen to be a little bit more expensive, because you have to pay the full price, instead of the carrier paying the majority of the cost. ;) A complete different thing would be if the networks would be checking serial numbers and disallow using a 3rd party phone. Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
Clearly, before the September mass market release, we should have regionally oriented wikis that accurately list the Neo1973/OpenMoko friendly carriers and connectivity options. I also floated an idea recently about an Neo/OpenMoko Friendly barnding program that falls in along the same subject here. For what it's worth, I got back an email from T-Mobile customer service and they indicated that they had no plans at this time for the Neo1973. But they also seemed confused about my question in other ways. I imagine that until one of us gets a chance to talk to their VP of 'Keeping The Customer Locked In Our Walled Garden', we'll never know if they see this change/opportunity coming. The Neo/OpenMoko platform, if it takes off, **will** change how the major carriers operate here in the U.S. They will have to morph into something more resembling their european cousins, and stop trying to grab market share by using the latest fashion phone as bait, and instead, focus on being competitive, low access barrier service providers and if they have any sense at all, they will add value by enabling and supporting 'Mobile Connectivity Computing' (MCC) by distributing and supporting MCC oriented software. Alan Original Message: - From: Michael Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:51:47 -0500 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation On Thursday 22 February 2007 2:22 pm, Jeff Andros wrote: On 2/22/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 22 February 2007 19:43:26 Sam Kome wrote: Yes, if the phone in question has been locked to another carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy_lock Still, nobody really forces you to buy SIM locked phone for all I know. If you want cheap phones, that is usually the price... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community in the U.S. carriers are basically the only real source of phones... and they only sell one kind. it's also next to impossible to buy a plan without purchasing a phone as well(albeit a heavily subsidized one). while there are retailers that sell sim-unlocked phones most of these are either internet order or slightly shady. as I understand it, most other places this is not the case but it's the reality here when Sean's dad, or other normal consumers go out to purchase a phone, the only trustworthy source they can really find is from the carrier... so it's a self-perpetuating ecosystem My experience has been somewhat different. I purchased my last phone, under a contract, from CellularOne in the US. It's a gsm quad-band Motorola V400. It was unlocked at the time of purchase. I've been off contract for over a year now and have successfully used sims from other carriers. The store from which I purchased the phone has told me that CellOne does not lock its phones. Before I found out about the Neo, I was planning on purchasing my next phone from Nokia's company-owned NYC store, where I got my N800. All of their phones are unlocked. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
