Re: Neologics

[Jon Phillips]

On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 08:12 -0500, Richard Franks wrote:
> I found the section on emergence/Neoforms _very_ interesting - I've
> recently been expanding upon this (
> http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Ideas/ConceptualFramework )
> from which I've going down similar lines of thought - do you have more
> ideas about Neoforms?
> 
> Richard

This is interesting to see the larger ambitions of the project. It might
also help to expand upon what types of devices could be constructed with
this logic, in addition to neo1973. I'm thinking remotes, media players,
watches, etc...

Jon

> 
> On 3/1/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear Community,
> >
> > For those of you who couldn't make it FOSDEM or Etel, I've posted our
> > presentation here:
> >
> > http://www.openmoko.com/files/OpenMoko_Neologics.pdf
> >
> > Happy reading!
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> >
> > ___
> > OpenMoko community mailing list
> > community@lists.openmoko.org
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> >
> 
> ___
> OpenMoko community mailing list
> community@lists.openmoko.org
> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
-- 
Jon Phillips

San Francisco, CA
USA PH 510.499.0894
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rejon.org

MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto
Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Fwd: [openmoko-announce] OpenMoko Phase 0 has started

[Sergi Blanch i Torné]

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 06 02: 45:29 2007
Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
User-Agent: KMail/1.8
X-Virus-Scanned: by YA.COM
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: ,

List-Unsubscribe: ,

List-Archive: 
List-Help: 
List-Id: List for OpenMoko News and Announcements 

I a nosaltres no ens arribarà? encara?

--  Forwarded Message  --

Subject: [openmoko-announce] OpenMoko Phase 0 has started
Date: Tuesday 06 March 2007 02:32
From: Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: announce@lists.openmoko.org
Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org

Hi!

The rumours have already spread, as several bloggers have already
reported: Yesterday [subject to time zone], Monday the 5th of March
2007, OpenMoko was finally able to start the Phase 0 of the OpenMoko
Neo1973 developer programme:

The Neo1973 Phase 0 phones have been shipped!

This means that by the end of this week, there will be 36 Free Software
developers around the world with a Neo1973 in their hands :)
(Why not 50? Go on reading)

After having releaed the current source code, and development resources
such as wiki, bugzilla and mailinglists almost four weeks ago, this
Phase 0 shipment now marks the next logical step: Hardware availability.

Unfortunately the current hardware revision GTA01Bv3 still has some
issues that are fixable in post-production rework, most notably too high
standby power consumption.  Due to those issues, the remaining 14
developers have chosen to rather wait until the next hardware revision.

The brave first 36 will obviously get a free fully working Neo1973 as
soon as they become available - which brings us to the second news item:

We have finalized the next revision called GTA01Bv4, which we expect to
be available in sample quantities roughly at the end of the month.
Let's hope this time we got everything right and can immediately proceed
to producing larger quantities.

In order to enable the Phase 0 developers to even literally "Open their
phone" (before freeing it by free software),  we actually packaged all
the tools required for opening and disassembling it:  Torx screwdriver
and guitar plectrum :)

The OpenMoko core team is sending a warm welcome to this first group of
36 developers.   We're looking forward to your feedback and help!

Once again our sincere apologies for delays and further delays.  We
werer striving to be above industry average - but have you ever seen
any reasonably complex hard/software project finish on time?  Murphys
law applies to all of us...

Happy hacking,

Harald (for the OpenMoko Core Team)
--
- Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  http://openmoko.org/

Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone

---

-- 
Sergi Blanch i Torné

Cells / Alba Synchrotron
Computing Division / Machine sw Group
Campus Universitari de Bellaterra (UAB)
08193 Bellaterra (Barcelona)
Tel: +34 93 592 44 17

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: what about localized versions of wiki?

[Jon Phillips]

On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 15:05 +0200, Denis Kot wrote:
> something like ru.wiki.openmoko.org, de.wiki.openmoko.org etc?
> I'm ready to maintain Russian version of wiki.

Just go ahead and use what is there to translate...

Jon

-- 
Jon Phillips

San Francisco, CA
USA PH 510.499.0894
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rejon.org

MSN, AIM, Yahoo Chat: kidproto
Jabber Chat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

[Rod Whitby]

Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> * Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070306 23:17]:
>> On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 12:33 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
 Just wondering, but did I get that right, the Hackers version that
 will be available this month will only be a developers board, without
 a phone casing => unuseable as a mobile phone in day-to-day
 operations, right?
>>> My understanding is that the $350 "standard kit" will be a real live
>>> phone, though a bit rough around the edges. 
>> I should add _very_ rough around the edges ;-) We've just had too many
>> hardware delays...
> Ok, when will these $350 kits (== real phones with bleedy-edge
> software) be available? And when these $200 kits? (Did I get it right,
> it's all kind of stuff but basically a phone in a box?)

$350 => Neo 1972 Phone, available for mass market in September-ish, or
for developers (anyone can call themselves a developer if they like) in
April-ish.

$200 => Debug board, which plugs into a $350 phone (bought separately),
only required if you need to do *really* low-level modifications or
debugging.  Not required for normal application development.

This stuff is on the wiki, and in the FOSDEM video.  Please come to the
mailing list better prepared from existing resources.

-- Rod

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

[Andreas Kostyrka]

* Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070306 23:17]:
> On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 12:33 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> > >Just wondering, but did I get that right, the Hackers version that
> > >will be available this month will only be a developers board, without
> > >a phone casing => unuseable as a mobile phone in day-to-day
> > >operations, right?
> > 
> > My understanding is that the $350 "standard kit" will be a real live
> > phone, though a bit rough around the edges. 
> 
> I should add _very_ rough around the edges ;-) We've just had too many
> hardware delays...
Ok, when will these $350 kits (== real phones with bleedy-edge
software) be available? And when these $200 kits? (Did I get it right,
it's all kind of stuff but basically a phone in a box?)

Andreas

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

RE: coverage at linuxdevices.com

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 19:01 +, Graham Auld wrote:
> As I understand it Andreas, the hackers lunchbox is including the dev
> board
> connecting thru the JTAG interface of the phone. You would purchace
> your
> phone seperatly.
> 
> Someone please correct me if I missunderstand.

This is correct. 

-Sean


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: coverage at linuxdevices.com

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 12:33 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> >Just wondering, but did I get that right, the Hackers version that
> >will be available this month will only be a developers board, without
> >a phone casing => unuseable as a mobile phone in day-to-day
> >operations, right?
> 
> My understanding is that the $350 "standard kit" will be a real live
> phone, though a bit rough around the edges. 

I should add _very_ rough around the edges ;-) We've just had too many
hardware delays...

>  You seem to be describing the $250 "hacker's lunchbox". 

I think the article must have quoted the price incorrectly. It's $200.

-Sean


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

bluetooth on a bike

[Marc Verwerft]

Hi all,

I've been reading this list for a while and am very interested in the
Neo/Openmoko for all kinds of reasons but mostly because it's free.
The combination of bluetooth and possible GPS mapping software made me
think of the following.

I like driving on a motorcycle. Sometimes I have a passenger. It's
always nice when you can talk to each other. So the following
questions came to mind:
- if both me and my passenger have bluetooth headsets, would we be
able to talk to each other using the bluez implementation?
- would we both be able to hear music (Ogg, mp3)?
- would we be able to hear music _and_ directions from the GPS mapping
software (_and_ possibly talk to each other?)

Regards (and keep up the good work),

Marc.

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo

[jeff]

Denis Kot wrote:

Great, finally I've got it working with xoo. But I've two problems with it:
1. no cursor over xoo screen


Try: To see the cursor, change /etc/matchbox/session
SHOWCURSOR="yes"

-Jeff

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up)

[Joe Pfeiffer]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/
>
>Is an really interesting project, which might be nice to use on the phone for 
>writting.

Dunno -- it's a cool idea, but when I played with it I found it very
difficult to actually control.


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up)

[a.tomkins3]

http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/

Is an really interesting project, which might be nice to use on the phone for 
writting.

Any thoughts?

-
Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email
Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Neologics

[Richard Franks]

I found the section on emergence/Neoforms _very_ interesting - I've
recently been expanding upon this (
http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Ideas/ConceptualFramework )
from which I've going down similar lines of thought - do you have more
ideas about Neoforms?

Richard


On 3/1/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Community,

For those of you who couldn't make it FOSDEM or Etel, I've posted our
presentation here:

http://www.openmoko.com/files/OpenMoko_Neologics.pdf

Happy reading!

-Sean


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

what about localized versions of wiki?

[Denis Kot]

something like ru.wiki.openmoko.org, de.wiki.openmoko.org etc?
I'm ready to maintain Russian version of wiki.

--
Denis Kot
denis?jabber.org.by
ICQ: 13680126
Mobil: +375 29 6-1234-78

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo

[Denis Kot]

Great, finally I've got it working with xoo. But I've two problems with it:
1. no cursor over xoo screen
2. any application seems to be running in background of "desktop"
and I think both problems because of "desktop" is always on foreground

--
Denis Kot
denis?jabber.org.by
ICQ: 13680126
Mobil: +375 29 6-1234-78

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Idea: Location based reminders

[Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente]

How about a category like "context based apps"?

I see the OpenMoko as a nice platform to work in Delivery Context
Interface[1] apps, or even to implement some kind of DIAL[2] solution.
OpenMoko could(/should?) be a "context" aware device. More read in
Delivery Context Overview for Device Independence [3].

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/DPF/
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/dial-primer/
[3] http://www.w3.org/TR/di-dco/

2007/3/6, Igor Foox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi,

I just added this to the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Location_based_reminders

It's a bit related to context based todo list (http://
wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list) but a
different type of event.
I came up with the idea today when I was working on my laptop on a
bus ride and missed my bus stop.
Any further ideas or clarifications on the idea are most welcome!

Igor

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community




--
J. Manrique López de la Fuente
http://www.jsmanrique.net
msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community