Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Well, OpenMoko still is mainly a phone platform, not a gps platform. ;) The Neo will me sold als phone with the option to install software, not because of its GPS chip. There will be much free software which will make the Neo a great smartphone (hopefully ^^). TomTom ported its software to series60 as smartphones became popular. They also ported it to WinCE/Mobile. I'm sure they will port it to OpenMoko as they see a market. This is a totally new platform, so nobody could expect that TomTom promises a port. As you see I'm confident. :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
Finger Splash looks very cool and useful. Imho a cool idea. @[EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are right, abcde... keyboards can be used for blind typing. But not on a only-touchscreen-phone. I used a Nokia 7710 for about 1.5 years and typing blind was simply impossible. Theres no feedback at all. 2007/5/30, Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dasher is only really information efficient considering the input only. The output stream needs to be quite dense. This pretty much means that you have to stare at the display all the time when inputting text. Sure - in theory, dasher may approach arithmetic coding in terms of information input. But unless you can do the coding in your head, you've got to stare at the screen, making it less useful for environments where you've got vibration, sunlight, walking down the street, or less likely for a phone, if you're blind. (Hmm. /me ponders dasher with audio prompting) T9 or even abc def ... you can use blind. Even qwerty with real hardware keys. (I think on-screen keyb would be optimistic :) ) To me, it looks like Dasher has a some drawbacks: one, it seems to be CPU intensive - there's a lot of animation going on during text entry. Not a problem for PCs, but it might not be optimal on a low power device. two, its storage intensive. You have to have a dictionary of some sort available for it to do its prediction. Or, several dictionaries, each for a different type of text entry (like english and japanese, or english and C++ programming). three, it takes up a lot of screen space. If you are just doing pure text entry without needing to look at something else, that's ok. But I'd rather it didn't take up the whole screen so that I can't see an IM that I'm replying to, or several lines of the website form I'm filling out. That's not to say I'm against Dasher. But I'd like to see a lot of flexibility available in openmoko text entry so that I can change to dasher, or some other text entry method when needed, or just to try things out. I hope someone will implement it for openmoko, together with several other alternatives for doing text entry. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Ian Darwin wrote: I'd like to have good maps, and as you implied, OpenStreetMap (OSM) is probably years - maybe decades - from having comprehensive maps of the world. Much digitization required :-). this actually depends on where you're located. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Well, I hope you're right! And I hope enough Neos get sold that it becomes worth their while. I'd like to have good maps, and as you implied, OpenStreetMap (OSM) is probably years - maybe decades - from having comprehensive maps of the world. Much digitization required :-). Ian Darwin A simple app to add data for the OpenStreetMap project on OpenMoko will probably help a lot. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Raphaël Jacquot wrote: Ian Darwin wrote: I'd like to have good maps, and as you implied, OpenStreetMap (OSM) is probably years - maybe decades - from having comprehensive maps of the world. Much digitization required :-). this actually depends on where you're located. Yes, clearly some major cities like London and STockholm have been heavily mapped. However many of us travel either off the beaten track, or, don't know in advance where we'll get sent, so in both cases reliable mapping data at 100% coverage is desirable. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
Just one more thing On my laptop I have this little joystick button in the middle of the keyboard. If we could get a button like that on the side of the neo phone, dasher would be great. On 5/30/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just one problem. If we only have one button, there is no way to adjust the speed. On 5/30/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried dasher for 2 minutes and I write faster with dasher than on my mobile phone. I also would like the two extra side buttons for dasher but we don't need it. We have the aux button. In pressed mode, it can mean down, and in released mode, it can mean up. I know I will use dasher on my neo when I get it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
What is wrong with just using the stylus? I've tried it with my Wacom tabled, Dasher works great! If your using an on screen keyboard, you'll need the stylus anyway. On 5/30/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just one more thing On my laptop I have this little joystick button in the middle of the keyboard. If we could get a button like that on the side of the neo phone, dasher would be great. On 5/30/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just one problem. If we only have one button, there is no way to adjust the speed. On 5/30/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried dasher for 2 minutes and I write faster with dasher than on my mobile phone. I also would like the two extra side buttons for dasher but we don't need it. We have the aux button. In pressed mode, it can mean down, and in released mode, it can mean up. I know I will use dasher on my neo when I get it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
I just watched the Google Video and I found it to be a very cool item. The one-handed aspect of typing with Dasher is useful but I think that using a finger or stylus would be more accommodating -- tilt control (if we had it) could possibly make the screen unviewable, and in/out with the single button might override (or be overridden by) whatever that button's default action is. Another option, with our high-res screen, could be a dasher-like implementation but be more touch-based, i.e. the most likely letter is next and colour-coded and layed out pretty identically, etc, but rather than navigating to the next letter with an always-in-contact stylus-to-screen or always pressed button, one would just tap the next letter with a finger or stylus, with navigation/zoom abilities Original poster, thank you for the link to the Google Video! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
A simple app to add data for the OpenStreetMap project on OpenMoko will probably help a lot. Absolutely. And I'm sure several of these will come into being. If you want reuse, however, you should think about writing it in Java. Believe that there will be good Java ME implementations for OpenMoko. The coverage on modern cell phones and smart phones for Java is maybe 80 or 90%. The coverage of GTK+ is pretty close to zero (though obviously OpenMoko will change this!). If you write in Java you can have one code base that runs on most phones AND most Blackberries AND Treo AND (someday soon) OpenMoko. and so on. Not all of which have GPS anyway, but you get the idea. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
Frank Coenen wrote: What is wrong with just using the stylus? I've tried it with my Wacom tabled, Dasher works great! If your using an on screen keyboard, you'll need the stylus anyway. This is a bit OT but, if you are using the stylus, some people may find it more efficient to use simplified handwriting, such as found on the original Palm devices. Some loved it and some said it sucked, but I found it pretty usable after very little practice. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openstreetmapping with Neo and others
On ke, 2007-05-30 at 10:48 -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: A simple app to add data for the OpenStreetMap project on OpenMoko will probably help a lot. Absolutely. And I'm sure several of these will come into being. If you want reuse, however, you should think about writing it in Java. Believe that there will be good Java ME implementations for OpenMoko. Purely from an OSM perspective a good free Java ME mapping app would indeed be killer, and you're probably right in suspecting that it would be usable on Moko as well before long. You're also probably right that there will be several; it's one of the very obvious things to do while GPS toying, and not too hard to get up to basic functionality, while having lots of possible frills to add on top of that. Attractive for a geek project ;) So, for OSM it would be good if a part of the interested mapper developers chose to do a Java ME mapper. One possible way to do so wouldn't require a separate project as such; given a mapper application coded in C and architected to separate the GUI from the core logic, a Java ME port could conceivably be maintained using Cibyl¹, the C-to-J2ME compiler. Apparently RoadMap has been ported to J2ME with it already, doesn't seem too good with OSM integration from quick glances though. -- Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen said the following on 30/05/07 14:21: Just one more thing On my laptop I have this little joystick button in the middle of the keyboard. If we could get a button like that on the side of the neo phone, dasher would be great. A little scroll wheel like on mice or on the side of a BlackBerry would be good for Dasher. Scrolling is a common operation, it'd be cool to have it on the OpenMoko. Rory -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXaPKfM8hGU8tATMRAoNXAKDYcXudmdnC2XQfx/CoOrRO9cSOSQCgn1Ur I/EnKOpYTyd51MTpeITDNf0= =8BCe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
shamless_plug Many fingerprint sensors that would fit where the button is have a navigation function. They operate much like the touchstick, or a mini touchpad, when not capturing a fingerprint. They are gaining traction in the tablet and ultra-mobile PC market for doing scrolling and simple navigation when a stylus is overkill for a certain quick navigation action. For example, this tablet has one on the top left (as pictured) http://www.tabletpc2.com/Review-FujitsuST5020-Article020605.htm /shamless_plug --Steve On 5/30/07, Rory McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen said the following on 30/05/07 14:21: Just one more thing On my laptop I have this little joystick button in the middle of the keyboard. If we could get a button like that on the side of the neo phone, dasher would be great. A little scroll wheel like on mice or on the side of a BlackBerry would be good for Dasher. Scrolling is a common operation, it'd be cool to have it on the OpenMoko. Rory -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXaPKfM8hGU8tATMRAoNXAKDYcXudmdnC2XQfx/CoOrRO9cSOSQCgn1Ur I/EnKOpYTyd51MTpeITDNf0= =8BCe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
shamless_plug Many fingerprint sensors that would fit where the button is have a navigation function. They operate much like the touchstick, or a mini touchpad, when not capturing a fingerprint. They are gaining traction in the tablet and ultra-mobile PC market for doing scrolling and simple navigation when a stylus is overkill for a certain quick navigation action. For example, this tablet has one on the top left (as pictured) http://www.tabletpc2.com/Review-FujitsuST5020-Article020605.htm http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Finger_print_sensor ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openstreetmapping with Neo and others
On ke, 2007-05-30 at 10:48 -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: A simple app to add data for the OpenStreetMap project on OpenMoko will probably help a lot. Absolutely. And I'm sure several of these will come into being. If you want reuse, however, you should think about writing it in Java. Believe that there will be good Java ME implementations for OpenMoko. Purely from an OSM perspective a good free Java ME mapping app would indeed be killer, and you're probably right in suspecting that it would be usable on Moko as well before long. You're also probably right that there will be several; it's one of the very obvious things to do while GPS toying, and not too hard to get up to basic functionality, while having lots of possible frills to add on top of that. Attractive for a geek project ;) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openstreetmap is a precursor to a proper app page for such a mapping tool. Anyone that can help flesh it out? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
