Re: New Oceans
On Jun 29, 2007, at 7:51 AM, Clayton Jones wrote: I've been avidly scanning all posts and web sites for months and have been keeping quiet in order to keep chatter down and not clog people's in-boxes... But this is such great news i have to respond to encourage Sean, the OpenMoko and FIC teams for all their hard work and dedication to this concept and product! Since i have some experience with product development i know how hard and frustrating it can be - but keep up the good work! Many people are waiting and anxious to change the world with this project! My $450 is burning a hole in my pocket for my own Neo Advanced kit! Thanks so much for your strong support! -Sean___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Myk Melez wrote: Congrats on the new company. It's great news, as is word that the phone will be available in a scant two weeks. Thanks! Presumably the software will be advancing rapidly between July 9 and October, when the GTA02 comes out. What's the process for tracking improvements over that time period? Will there be daily or weekly drops we can install onto our GTA01s, and will we need an Advanced configuration to track those changes, or will the Base configuration be sufficient? The Advanced only gives you more accessories and a nice case. The phone are the same in both. As for software updates, we will make this easier than it is now very soon. -Sean___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yes, there's GPS (Re: What, no GPS?)
On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Mikko J Rauhala wrote: A scheduled EDGE upgrade would've made it just about perfect, but I shan't complain, there's lots here to work with already. Looking forward to a later 3g version though ;) Me, too ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Minor correction
On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Mikko J Rauhala wrote: On to, 2007-06-28 at 21:27 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Copy and paste was working too well last night. The Neo Base kit has one (1) MicroSD card. Only the Neo Advanced kit has two. I also suspect that you have another slight typo in the Base kit description (not in the Advanced). It boasts a Micro-USB cable, when I'd think it would be Mini (as it is in the Advanced). Ah yes...wow I really was up late that night ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What, no GPS?
On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:49 PM, mathew davis wrote: Correct me if I am wrong anyone, but I was under the impression that AGPS is shipping in all models. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware (A)GPS is huge for us. It's going to be in all our devices next year, too. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Ian Darwin wrote: I personally would also like to see Motherboard alone - $150 GPS antenna - $20 Internal subframe - $20 This is both for cases where you damage your neo in some manner that is clearly not covered by any warranty, and for the cases where you might like to use the Neo for something it is clearly not suited for in its existing case. For example, glue a couple of webcams a USB hub, wifi, into a waterproof container, and do stuff with it. +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware types are discussing various gadgets that would hack into the neo for CPU and connectivity. A pity to waste a whole phone (and the $$s) if the case and screen is not needed. Sean, how does this work from a certification point of view? Do you have to get the whole device certified? Can you sell the internal subframe by itself, with whatever certification is required? Is certification even an issue since that's all handled by the GSM/SIM interface which we have no visibility into? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
On Jul 1, 2007, at 12:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Ian Darwin wrote: I personally would also like to see Motherboard alone - $150 GPS antenna - $20 Internal subframe - $20 This is both for cases where you damage your neo in some manner that is clearly not covered by any warranty, and for the cases where you might like to use the Neo for something it is clearly not suited for in its existing case. For example, glue a couple of webcams a USB hub, wifi, into a waterproof container, and do stuff with it. +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware types are discussing various gadgets that would hack into the neo for CPU and connectivity. A pity to waste a whole phone (and the $$s) if the case and screen is not needed. Sean, how does this work from a certification point of view? Do you have to get the whole device certified? Can you sell the internal subframe by itself, with whatever certification is required? Is certification even an issue since that's all handled by the GSM/SIM interface which we have no visibility into? I'm not 100% sure. Let me look into this on Monday. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware types are discussing various gadgets that would hack into the neo for CPU and connectivity. A pity to waste a whole phone (and the $$s) if the case and screen is not needed. +1 for both. (I think I suggested that one months ago, already ;) pgp2NoiiMkAn7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
On 6/30/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware types are discussing various gadgets that would hack into the neo for CPU and connectivity. A pity to waste a whole phone (and the $$s) if the case and screen is not needed. +1 for both. (I think I suggested that one months ago, already ;) Thats a great idea ! So if the boards are sold separately, then will it be possible to use the GTA02 board with the phone screen and case that we are getting in July. That would help someone like me who dont want to buy a complete new phone in October, but would certainly like the wifi in the GTAv02 board for much less than $450. -- Pranav ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Graphics Accelerator needs matching joystick and keys
Using the Wiimote would make more sense as it would easily connect through Bluetooth without any modifications being necessary. I'd love to see a future OpenMoko device with a d-pad and a few gaming buttons. I'm not convinced a stick would be a good idea because all I have seen have either been crap or were breaking easily. What could work is the technology used in IBM thinkpad notebooks for the little stick embedded in the keyboard that replaces the mouse. No idea how exactly it works but it could be great on a mobile phone. Games on the standard Neo1973 will be possible without attachments. Not traditional games, obviously. However, the touchscreen and later the touchscreen accelerometer combo can be used to do some pretty amazing things. A little creativity is required, of course. Look at Palm PDAs, the DS and especially http://forum.gbadev.org/viewforum.php?f=22 for ideas. Ortwin On 6/30/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has already mentioned on this list about using the Wii Nunchuck. Apparently it will connect to the I2C fairly easily. Search the archives. -Steven On 6/29/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's also the possibility of adding some kind of attachment to a specially designed battery or backpack which could add this ability by interfacing with the I2C or SPI ports available. --Tim On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:43, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Kenshin writes: I think there is a huge benefict in addind a joystick and keypad to the OpenMoko. This would allow users to play old classics in emulators; run new (java) games and assign keyboard shortcuts. I don't think that adding a joystick and a keypad is a big technological endeauvour :-) Is there any reason for not having them? Space. Not everybody wants them (I don't, for instance), and they take up room. Hopefully FIC will move in that direction with some of their future devices -- but hopefully they won't abandon those of us who don't want it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
Hi sean and other OpenMoko-ers Just read an article on Slashdot (?) about the fact that lots of of our precious gadgets get stolen (or lost). Not being a hardware guy, I was wondering if one could build/integrate/stick to them some kind of 'anti-proximity' detector. This is a device that consists of a a central - costly ? - pockettable detector (that probes for a set of devices within a know list every now and then) and which you put in your pocket, or wallet or on your keychain. Around that device a 'cloud' of periferals exists (Neo, wallet, Phone, Laptop, ...) each tagged with a cheap ID which gets probed by the central. If any of the periferals fall out of range, the central beeps warning me - the owner of these nice periferals - that I am loosing one. I do not know if this idea is at all feasible (battery consumption, size, ...) or perhaps it even exists, but I wanted to float this idea. Suggestions comments welcome W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
We could do this with GPS, too. You could have the phone export encrypted GPS location data every hour or so, and if you lose your phone then you can use your key to decode the GPS and find it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
The problem is of course that you can't sent sms/emails if there is no sim. And even IF there is a sim, you cant always sent emails since you need to have a data plan. SMS of course is an option. On 6/30/07, Buddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking for a system like this sinds my last phone was stolen :( What I would like is: simcard is changed - phone sents email/sms to a server. Gives me the new phone number, a code to call the phone silent. Possibility to call phone and open a remote terminal. With acces to GPS data, and all personal data, my own and from the new owner. Fuck with him for a while (sent delayed (with cron) a few sms messages to his friends) change his agenda, etc etc Look him up at the most embarrassing place (work, school) and get my phone back. Buddy On 6/30/07, wim delvaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi sean and other OpenMoko-ers Just read an article on Slashdot (?) about the fact that lots of of our precious gadgets get stolen (or lost). Not being a hardware guy, I was wondering if one could build/integrate/stick to them some kind of 'anti-proximity' detector. This is a device that consists of a a central - costly ? - pockettable detector (that probes for a set of devices within a know list every now and then) and which you put in your pocket, or wallet or on your keychain. Around that device a 'cloud' of periferals exists (Neo, wallet, Phone, Laptop, ...) each tagged with a cheap ID which gets probed by the central. If any of the periferals fall out of range, the central beeps warning me - the owner of these nice periferals - that I am loosing one. I do not know if this idea is at all feasible (battery consumption, size, ...) or perhaps it even exists, but I wanted to float this idea. Suggestions comments welcome W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
True. But ones the thief removed your simcard I assume he will flash the firmware... And then the theft-protection will be gone as well :-( On 6/30/07, Buddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am pretty sure that if someone steals a phone, he wants to use it and put a simcard in the phone. The phone can call my own ISP and connect on a standard dial-up line. The problem with sms is, you can sent it to your own number but can't acces the sms till you get your replacement simcard, and you can't get a new simcard with prepayed. On 6/30/07, Frank Coenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is of course that you can't sent sms/emails if there is no sim. And even IF there is a sim, you cant always sent emails since you need to have a data plan. SMS of course is an option. On 6/30/07, Buddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking for a system like this sinds my last phone was stolen :( What I would like is: simcard is changed - phone sents email/sms to a server. Gives me the new phone number, a code to call the phone silent. Possibility to call phone and open a remote terminal. With acces to GPS data, and all personal data, my own and from the new owner. Fuck with him for a while (sent delayed (with cron) a few sms messages to his friends) change his agenda, etc etc Look him up at the most embarrassing place (work, school) and get my phone back. Buddy On 6/30/07, wim delvaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi sean and other OpenMoko-ers Just read an article on Slashdot (?) about the fact that lots of of our precious gadgets get stolen (or lost). Not being a hardware guy, I was wondering if one could build/integrate/stick to them some kind of 'anti-proximity' detector. This is a device that consists of a a central - costly ? - pockettable detector (that probes for a set of devices within a know list every now and then) and which you put in your pocket, or wallet or on your keychain. Around that device a 'cloud' of periferals exists (Neo, wallet, Phone, Laptop, ...) each tagged with a cheap ID which gets probed by the central. If any of the periferals fall out of range, the central beeps warning me - the owner of these nice periferals - that I am loosing one. I do not know if this idea is at all feasible (battery consumption, size, ...) or perhaps it even exists, but I wanted to float this idea. Suggestions comments welcome W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
That's right ... would be nice to have some sort of bios password, And still both of us would probably flash the frimware, an avarage thief wouldn't probably do this. Especially if he doesn't expect this. An other option is that you can register your phone as 'stolen', and the anti-theft software is reinstalled after first software update for the phone with your IMEI code. On 6/30/07, Frank Coenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True. But ones the thief removed your simcard I assume he will flash the firmware... And then the theft-protection will be gone as well :-( On 6/30/07, Buddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am pretty sure that if someone steals a phone, he wants to use it and put a simcard in the phone. The phone can call my own ISP and connect on a standard dial-up line. The problem with sms is, you can sent it to your own number but can't acces the sms till you get your replacement simcard, and you can't get a new simcard with prepayed. On 6/30/07, Frank Coenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is of course that you can't sent sms/emails if there is no sim. And even IF there is a sim, you cant always sent emails since you need to have a data plan. SMS of course is an option. On 6/30/07, Buddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking for a system like this sinds my last phone was stolen :( What I would like is: simcard is changed - phone sents email/sms to a server. Gives me the new phone number, a code to call the phone silent. Possibility to call phone and open a remote terminal. With acces to GPS data, and all personal data, my own and from the new owner. Fuck with him for a while (sent delayed (with cron) a few sms messages to his friends) change his agenda, etc etc Look him up at the most embarrassing place (work, school) and get my phone back. Buddy On 6/30/07, wim delvaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi sean and other OpenMoko-ers Just read an article on Slashdot (?) about the fact that lots of of our precious gadgets get stolen (or lost). Not being a hardware guy, I was wondering if one could build/integrate/stick to them some kind of 'anti-proximity' detector. This is a device that consists of a a central - costly ? - pockettable detector (that probes for a set of devices within a know list every now and then) and which you put in your pocket, or wallet or on your keychain. Around that device a 'cloud' of periferals exists (Neo, wallet, Phone, Laptop, ...) each tagged with a cheap ID which gets probed by the central. If any of the periferals fall out of range, the central beeps warning me - the owner of these nice periferals - that I am loosing one. I do not know if this idea is at all feasible (battery consumption, size, ...) or perhaps it even exists, but I wanted to float this idea. Suggestions comments welcome W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Anti theft protection of our cherished device.
You are probably not alone, these things should be disabled by default. I would chose to install a backdoor (I dislike thieves more than crackers) but it should be an explicit choice from the user. On 6/30/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Coenen wrote: True. But ones the thief removed your simcard I assume he will flash the firmware... And then the theft-protection will be gone as well :-( I've commented on this before. The user is not always the owner. This is clearest in the theft case. It's also a factor when you might want to give phones to employees or children. If I own the phone, I want the freedom to lock it down so hard that I can't get back into it with the debug board if I forget the password/phrase. And yes, this does imply some things - kernel preventing all access to the NAND from all but the root user, DFU/u-boot supporting password/passphrase/signed updates, and hardware support. Personally, I don't want a back door into the hardware where if someone has my phone for 30s, and a properly prepared laptop, they can boot an image from RAM with DFU, and install keyloggers/... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Ian Stirling wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: snip We've had a particularly challenging time trying to setup the online infrastructure and figure out how to ship these phones. Sometime later today or early tomorrow we're going to make another announcement asking for some advice. Leaping in before being asked, and perhaps not exactly what you're announcing. On store stock. I'd like to see the basic, advanced, but also accessories. Something like: Basic $300 Advanced $450 Debug Board $120 (inc lunchbox) Battery $20 Guitar Pick $5 Case (black/silver, front and back) $20 Replacement screen $120 Pouch - $15 I personally would also like to see Motherboard alone - $150 GPS antenna - $20 Internal subframe - $20 This is both for cases where you damage your neo in some manner that is clearly not covered by any warranty, and for the cases where you might like to use the Neo for something it is clearly not suited for in its existing case. For example, glue a couple of webcams a USB hub, wifi, into a waterproof container, and do stuff with it. We are planning on selling this kind of stuff, but I really don't think we'll have the bandwidth before phase 2. Or at least another two months. Thanks a lot for letting us know you're interested! -Sean___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
