Re: Server trouble?

[François CHAVANT]

Same issue here...


Am Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:34:44 -0600
Schrieb Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I've now received quite a few copies of Andy Selby's comments on
> what time the NEO will be released, as well as Nick Johnson's message
> wanting UI designers involved.
> 
> Are we having trouble with our server?  They're both from gmail -- is
> there a gmail problem?
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Server trouble?

[Joe Pfeiffer]

I've now received quite a few copies of Andy Selby's comments on
what time the NEO will be released, as well as Nick Johnson's message
wanting UI designers involved.

Are we having trouble with our server?  They're both from gmail -- is
there a gmail problem?

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Re: Feds snub open source for 'smart' radios

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Ian Stirling writes:
>
>This is _NOT_ security by obscurity.
>This is an attempt at making transmitters that can do very bad things in 
>the hands of users harder to obtain.

You've got some good points (which I've snipped), but it is *exactly*
security by obscurity.  The released radio can do illegal things, and
the only thing keeping its owner from programming it to do that is
keeping the information of how it's programmed from the owner.

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Re: How many women on OpenMoko?

[Nick Johnson]

On 7/7/07, Colin A. White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

wow... an unnecessarily hostile response.

It goes a long way to explaining why the answer to the OP is "girls = 1".

You don't need to be a Human Factors expert to know that men and women
respond differently to design cues. For all the men on this list to assume
that women are going to love their UI design work is a naive mistake.


So is assuming that 'all the men on this list' think that based on one response.

IMO, the most important thing for our UI would be to have UI
designers. Someone experienced in UI design is going to do more for
making the phone usable than an interested bystander or developer of
_either_ gender.

-Nick Johnson

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Re: Feds snub open source for 'smart' radios

[Brad Midgley]

Hey

This got me thinking about how flexible the radio is. Is the sim card
wired right into the gsm module?

It would be nice if the phone could play nice with sim access profile
(SAP) either by sharing the sim credentials with another device or by
gaining sim credentials from another device and setting up the gsm
radio to use them.

Would the hardware allow for this?

Brad

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Re: Feds snub open source for 'smart' radios

[Ian Stirling]

mathew davis wrote:
Here is an article I stubled upon while reading slash dot.  
http://news.com.com/Feds+snub+open+source+for+smart+radios/2100-1041_3-6195102.html?tag=nefd.lede 
 It 
doesn't affect the neo1973 coming to america does it?


No - it's not got an opensource radio.

I'd have to say, that in this case, open-source, or more precisely, 
radios with transmitters in which the user can alter the code, they 
should be licensed _much_ more restrictively than ones which cannot be 
altered.


Basically as the consequences of misbehaviour are very bad.
You cannot 'work round' a phone transmitting on an unallocated timeslot, 
or doing phone-phone comms in the shared band.


It simply destroys the performance of the network for everyone else.
This is apart from the possibility of people doing intentional jamming, 
or attempting to get free calls.


This is _NOT_ security by obscurity.
This is an attempt at making transmitters that can do very bad things in 
the hands of users harder to obtain.


The target in this case is not someone who's 26, and can pay $1000 for a 
wideband software radio.
It's keeping it out of the hands of the masses, who may be 12 year olds, 
with poorly developed senses of ethics.


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Neo 1973 release time

[andy selby]

Just in case your worried about being at work when openmoko.com goes
live, here's a handy website
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
Input the 9th and Taiwan into the field to 'convert from' and input
your location into the 'convert to' fields.
Assuming openmoko goes live at 00:00 (Sean, could you fill us in?)
Taiwan time it will tell you the local time you need to be at a
computer, credit card in hand, furiously hitting refresh.
It seems the U.K. will get it on the 8th of july at 5 O'Clock in the
afternoon just when I get home.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?day=9&month=7&year=2007&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p1=241&p2=136
(If I'm 401st in line I'm going to kick myself for giving you this info)

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Neo 1973 release time

[andy selby]

Just in case your worried about being at work when openmoko.com goes
live, here's a handy website
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
Input the 9th and Taiwan into the field to 'convert from' and input
your location into the 'convert to' fields.
Assuming openmoko goes live at 00:00 (Sean, could you fill us in?)
Taiwan time it will tell you the local time you need to be at a
computer, credit card in hand, furiously hitting refresh.
It seems the U.K. will get it on the 8th of july at 5 O'Clock in the
afternoon just when I get home.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?day=9&month=7&year=2007&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p1=241&p2=136
(If I'm 401st in line I'm going to kick myself for giving you this info)

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Re:Feds snub open source for 'smart' radios

[Joe Pfeiffer]

mathew davis writes:
>Here is an article I stubled upon while reading slash dot.
>http://news.com.com/Feds+snub+open+source+for+smart+radios/2100-1041_3-6195102.html?tag=nefd.lede
>It
>doesn't affect the neo1973 coming to america does it?

I wouldn't expect it to -- the GSM radio chip itself is closed up tight.
Its only external interfaces don't allow any modification of its
functionality.


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Feds snub open source for 'smart' radios

[mathew davis]

Here is an article I stubled upon while reading slash dot.
http://news.com.com/Feds+snub+open+source+for+smart+radios/2100-1041_3-6195102.html?tag=nefd.lede
It
doesn't affect the neo1973 coming to america does it?
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EDGE, lack of 3G and keyboard

[BJ Quinn]

A couple of semi-related questions--

First of all, I was wondering if the lack of 3G support could be
addressed for the neo1973 in the future without having to buy all new
hardware.  Maybe this sounds stupid, but I was wondering if when
openmoko starts working with 3G hardware if the 3G component could be
added to the neo1973.  Perhaps by adding a small accessory by USB or
bluetooth one could "add" the 3G functionality without having to upgrade
the entire device.  Does that make sense, and if it's possible, would it
be a likely "accessory" that openmoko might want to sell in the future,
seeing as how this is about the only weak spot I can find in this
otherwise stellar device...

Then perhaps less unrealistic might be the addition of EDGE without
getting all new hardware.  Maybe someone could explain this to me - I
thought EDGE was simply sort of a softwareish/firmwareish upgrade to
GPRS, not necessarily completely different hardware.  Is it possible
that EDGE could be added in the future to the existing GTA2 hardware via
some sort of software or firmware upgrade?  And why doesn't it have EDGE
now?  Is EDGE-compatible hardware more expensive/complicated than GPRS?
Are there licensing issues when it comes to mixing it with open source
software?

And, lastly... I must say I'm addicted to the keyboard on my Treo 650.
I don't know what I'm going to do without it.  I'm going to get a neo
when GTA2 comes out in October, regardless, since I would gladly give up
90% of my typing speed simply to get out of the cell phone dark ages.
That being said, I think I'm still a firm believer in the absolute need
for a hardware keyboard.  I'm open to anyone talking me out of it, but I
need to be able to type quickly in situations that aren't necessarily
conducive to stylus/finger steadiness, etc... So, is there a possibility
of a snap- or slide-on bluetooth or USB thumb keyboard for the neo, or
can anyone talk me out of my illogical desire to have a hardware keyboard?

Thanks!

-BJ Quinn

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How many women on OpenMoko?

[Cindy]

I agree that an interesting demographic is the non-techies.  I don't think 
women vs men is as clear a divider as techies vs non-techies. I am a woman and 
recently do UI, but I spent most of my career until recently doing embedded 
designs. I am following this project very closely. I can't wait to get one!

As an aside, did you see the recent study showing men actually talk just as 
much as women?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/05/ntalk105.xml


Cindy



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Another good demographic to consider is the non-technophile.

I seriously considered handing the phone to a non-techie friend (man
or woman) and see how long it would take them to make a call. It's a
totally unfair test since currently the icons on the home screen are
broken images. Once the gui is working how it should, this will be a
great test for usability. Eventually it should be possible to hand it
to a newbie without giving them a stylus :)

With only one stealthy hardware button the cues on the screen have to
be really good and something obvious needs to persist on the screen
regardless of what's running. If a newbie launches the calculator
instead of the dialer, it shouldn't be a "game over" scenario for the
test.

Brad

On 7/5/07, london cowgirl  wrote:
>
> It's important that OpenMoko is designed with both sexes in mind (especially
> since women love to talk to so much).
>
> So a quick show of hands - how many women do we have following the OpenMoko
> project?
>
> Carla

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Re: Location Privacy Protocols, was Re: GPS trail - crazy idea

[Tim Newsom]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:25, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:

Another good reason from an open-source product.  Maybe there is a
vast untapped market for selling open-source phones to the governments
of the world (to protect them from the other governments of the
word. ;-))

-wolfgang


Except that as far as I know (someone please correct me if I am wrong ) 
the GSM part is the side which the telcos can tap into for their 
readings and its closed to us. We can be open everywhere else and unless 
we have the firmware to the GSM piece we could not prevent the telcos 
from tracking us.  Its possible that the government has specially 
designed phones but I don't really know. It may not even be in the GSM 
piece, but at the tower and control center that they track you.. In 
which case there is nothing you can do even if the firmware were open.


Again, that's just guessing.
--Tim

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Re: Openmoko videos in Ogg Theora

[Pavlov Konstantin]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 12:24:53AM -0400, Fabian Rodriguez wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: RIPEMD160
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I really enjoyed the OpenMoko videos. I converted the existing ones to
> Ogg Theora:
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~magicfab/video/openmoko/
> 
> If anyone can mirror them I would appreciate it.
> 
> For some reason #9 made ffmpeg2theora choke so I isn't in the list.

A bit offtopic, but ffmpeg standalone copes fine with #9 transcoding to
theora :)

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Re: Location Privacy Protocols, was Re: GPS trail - crazy idea

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

Al Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> At the moment the telcos don't seem to be making their subscribers' locations 
> freely available. If they did I would probably keep my phone turned off until 
> I needed it, because I don't trust everybody to be nice. Location-based 
> marketing would be annoying. A thief being able to check I was away before 
> breaking into my house would be worse.

Off as in the soft-off button being pressed or the battery being
removed?  ;-) 

Sufficiently evil phone firmware could take periodic timestamped GPS
readings even if the phone were off.  The past readings could be saved
for later download.  It would be interesting to know how the
government deals with that threat itself (say the FBI taking folks to
safe-houses etc).

Another good reason from an open-source product.  Maybe there is a
vast untapped market for selling open-source phones to the governments
of the world (to protect them from the other governments of the
word. ;-))

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Openmoko made it on Engadgetmobile

[Eric Heinemann]

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/07/06/openmoko-neo-1973-developer-kits-available-july-9/

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Re: How many women on OpenMoko?

[Colin A. White]

wow... an unnecessarily hostile response.

It goes a long way to explaining why the answer to the OP is "girls = 1".

You don't need to be a Human Factors expert to know that men and women
respond differently to design cues. For all the men on this list to assume
that women are going to love their UI design work is a naive mistake.



On 7/5/07, Paul Wouters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, london cowgirl wrote:

> It's important that OpenMoko is designed with both sexes in mind
(especially since women love to talk to so much).

Are you trying to fight a prejudice by using a prejudice (even if meant
jokingly)?

The "women in technology" debate is about the extra effort women have to
put in, and extra shit they have to endure, to be seen as equal to male
developers. It is not about the Readers Digests prejudice of "women talk
more on the phone" or the "different design of a GUI based on gender".

Paul


> So a quick show of hands - how many women do we have following the
OpenMoko project?
>
> Carla
>
>
>
>
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Re: openmoko and gnuradio

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 06 July 2007 18:04, Ian Stirling wrote:
> Juan Cañete wrote:
> > Hi people,
> >
> > i've just find out this amazing project, and one thing i wonder is if
> > there should be posible (or maybe openmoko is thinking already about
> > this) to design a mobile phone with the necesary hardware to run
> > gnuradio. with that kind of architecture we could access all the rf
> > spectrum so we could have a really evil machine... :P
>
> While in principle possible, you do realise that digital radio takes
> several to many thousand times the power that a special purpose radio
> takes?
>
> For example, you can get FM stereo receivers that will work off 1.8V at
> a milliamp or two.

And that's before we even get onto the legal issues. SDR with user modifiable 
software, especially on the transmit side, is a nonstarter given the 
regulation of radio devices in many (most?) jurisdictions.

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Re: openmoko and gnuradio

[Ian Stirling]

Juan Cañete wrote:

Hi people,

i've just find out this amazing project, and one thing i wonder is if there
should be posible (or maybe openmoko is thinking already about this) to
design a mobile phone with the necesary hardware to run gnuradio. with that
kind of architecture we could access all the rf spectrum so we could have a
really evil machine... :P


While in principle possible, you do realise that digital radio takes 
several to many thousand times the power that a special purpose radio takes?


For example, you can get FM stereo receivers that will work off 1.8V at 
a milliamp or two.


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openmoko and gnuradio

[Juan Cañete]

Hi people,

i've just find out this amazing project, and one thing i wonder is if there
should be posible (or maybe openmoko is thinking already about this) to
design a mobile phone with the necesary hardware to run gnuradio. with that
kind of architecture we could access all the rf spectrum so we could have a
really evil machine... :P

thank you.
bye.
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Re:Quick Question about July 9th.

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Derick Jones writes:
>Will the phones being sold on July 9th be available to anyone interested or
>only to developers? I am very interested in the phone and just confused as
>to who can order the phone on the 9th. I get mixed readings from various
>websites.

Available to anyone, but it's questionable whether anyone who isn't a
developer will really want one.

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Re: Quick Question about July 9th.

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 06 July 2007 15:34, Lavergne Thomas wrote:
> And another related question. Iperfectly known that, in his present
> state, the neo1973 is far from a usable phone, and personnaly I like to
> have one for developement.
>
> But does the phone part usable ? i.e. is it possible to make and receive
> phone call. I don't talk about full contact list or advanced options,
> just basic distant call (the original function of phones...)
> I hope this minimal part is usable (even if a little buggy)

IIRC one of the videos showed a call being received. If all else fails you can 
use AT commands ;-)

> And another small question, in his current state, is it usable with
> french phone operators ?

It's an unlocked GSM device. Give it a SIM and it should work with any GSM 
provider. 

> Thanks
>
> Tom
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Re: Location Privacy Protocols, was Re: GPS trail - crazy idea

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 06 July 2007 15:05, cedric cellier wrote:
> -[ Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 01:30:48PM -0400, Paul Wouters ]
>
> > Especially, an implementation of the Pierre protocol would be
> > interesting. In essence, using the protocol, two people can
> > reveal each others location but only when they are close to
> > each other.
>
> I don't see why one user would not want to reveal his location, because
> he already send it regularly, although less precisely, to his telco
> because that's how GSM works. AFAIK, telcos are then free to use this
> information commercialy and forced to give all details to the cops when
> asked to, so I don't see how this app could make things worst.

In the EU they collect this, but they can't give it to a 3rd party without 
obtaining your informed consent. Law enforcement can demand access to this 
and your call/text/IP records under certain curcumstances, though the 
circumstances are getting wider and the level of oversight lower.

> Did I miss something ?

At the moment the telcos don't seem to be making their subscribers' locations 
freely available. If they did I would probably keep my phone turned off until 
I needed it, because I don't trust everybody to be nice. Location-based 
marketing would be annoying. A thief being able to check I was away before 
breaking into my house would be worse.

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RE: Quick Question about July 9th.

[Lavergne Thomas]

And another related question. Iperfectly known that, in his present
state, the neo1973 is far from a usable phone, and personnaly I like to
have one for developement.

But does the phone part usable ? i.e. is it possible to make and receive
phone call. I don't talk about full contact list or advanced options,
just basic distant call (the original function of phones...)
I hope this minimal part is usable (even if a little buggy)

And another small question, in his current state, is it usable with
french phone operators ?

Thanks

Tom

> Since it's all open source _anyone_ could be a developer, so you're free to 
> buy one. Keep in mind that at this stage there are known bugs in the
> software, and that many of the apps people take for granted in a consumer 
> phone haven't been written yet. If you plan to develop some of the missing 
> bits, or if you can live with the pain of buggy/missing apps and can submit 
> detailed bug reports, then this may be the time to buy one. If you just want 
> an open phone to use then you're probably better waiting for the consumer 
> release.
>
> On Thursday 05 July 2007 20:00, Derick Jones wrote:
> > Will the phones being sold on July 9th be available to anyone
> > interested or
> > only to developers? I am very interested in the phone and just
> > confused as
> > to who can order the phone on the 9th. I get mixed readings from
> > various
> > websites.
> >
> > Thank You for your time!
> >
> > Derick Jones

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Re: Location Privacy Protocols, was Re: GPS trail - crazy idea

[Jeffrey Thomas]

> I don't see why one user would not want to reveal his location, because
> he already send it regularly, although less precisely, to his telco
> because that's how GSM works. AFAIK, telcos are then free to use this
> information commercialy and forced to give all details to the cops when
> asked to, so I don't see how this app could make things worst.

There is a slight difference, in my eyes, to broadcasting your personal 
information to everyone, and giving it to a TelCo (which _hopefully_ doesn't 
actively monitor you) which may share it with a _hopefully_ legitimate law 
enforcement agency.  Sure there is opportunity for abuse in either situation, 
but generally I like to have a bit more faith in my law enforcement than in an 
unknown stalker.

True, there are plenty of cases where I am wrong and where law enforcement 
abuse their powers, or where TelCos abuse their power or get hacked.  But for 
an ordinary day, I usually just want some anonymity.

All that said, I would like the feature ;)

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Re: Location Privacy Protocols, was Re: GPS trail - crazy idea

[cedric cellier]

-[ Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 01:30:48PM -0400, Paul Wouters ]
> Especially, an implementation of the Pierre protocol would be
> interesting. In essence, using the protocol, two people can
> reveal each others location but only when they are close to
> each other.

I don't see why one user would not want to reveal his location, because
he already send it regularly, although less precisely, to his telco
because that's how GSM works. AFAIK, telcos are then free to use this
information commercialy and forced to give all details to the cops when
asked to, so I don't see how this app could make things worst.

Did I miss something ?


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Re: community Digest, Vol 34, Issue 38

[Mikko J Rauhala]

On pe, 2007-07-06 at 07:56 -0400, Michael Sersen wrote:
> Does anyone know if there will be a discount on the 2nd gen models,
> for those who buy the 1st round?  Personally, I'd shell out the cash
> now if I knew I'd get a breakdown when the consumer model hits the
> streets.

*sigh*

As Sean clearly said in his previous announcement (which is on-line at
http://openmoko.com/ ), "We've decided that instead of setting up a
complicated return or tracking system to remember who gets a discount
for GTA02, we going to give you _all_ a discount on GTA01."

So no, you won't get a discount on the GTA02. However, the GTA01 is $300
instead of the previously announced $350.

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Re: community Digest, Vol 34, Issue 38

[Michael Sersen]

Does anyone know if there will be a discount on the 2nd gen models,
for those who buy the 1st round?  Personally, I'd shell out the cash
now if I knew I'd get a breakdown when the consumer model hits the
streets.

~MAS

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   1. Openmoko videos in Ogg Theora (Fabian Rodriguez)
   2. Re: Openmoko ads on youtube (ramsesoriginal)
   3. Re: Openmoko videos in Ogg Theora (Krzysztof Kajkowski)
   4. Re: Openmoko ads now on youtube (Vincent)
   5. Re: AND donate entire Netherlands to OpenStreetMap
  (W. B. Kranendonk)
   6. Quick Question about July 9th. (Derick Jones)
   7. Re: Quick Question about July 9th. (Gabriel Ambuehl)
   8. Re: Quick Question about July 9th. (Al Johnson)


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From: Fabian Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:24:53 -0400
Subject: Openmoko videos in Ogg Theora
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Hi,

I really enjoyed the OpenMoko videos. I converted the existing ones to
Ogg Theora:
http://people.ubuntu.com/~magicfab/video/openmoko/

If anyone can mirror them I would appreciate it.

For some reason #9 made ffmpeg2theora choke so I isn't in the list.

Cheers,


Fabian Rodriguez - Conseiller Principal, Sécurité des TI et
technologies libres
(514) 812-5615 - http://www.facil.qc.ca/FabianRodriguezEn

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From: ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:26:43 +0200
Subject: Re: Openmoko ads on youtube
18 and 18 are great. WoW.
atm i am at work, but another cool idea could be the morphing through all
the history of communications: speech, smoke signals, flags, fires,
messengers, telegrafs, fone, amateur-radio, and then the openmoko. And the
something like: "Comunication has always been free. Let it remain so."

On 7/6/07, Adam Krikstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4
>
> 13-19 are new.
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From: "Krzysztof Kajkowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:32:23 +0200
Subject: Re: Openmoko videos in Ogg Theora
Here you go: http://www.openmoko.org.pl/ads/

cayco




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From: Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:52:15 +0200
Subject: Re: Openmoko ads now on youtube


On 05/07/07, Jonas Berlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting Adam Krikstone on 07/04/2007 08:58 PM UTC:
> > Good and bad, here are some ads for openmoko and the neo1973 I did.
> > Sorry for the bad quality on some but there aren't many videos or
> > pictures of the neo1973 besides the wiki.  I stayed with the "free your
> > phone," aspect since advertising linux to the public is not going to
> > work. I can make better ones if someone can get me high res photos and
> > video (720x480 and above).
> >
> > Playlist:
> >
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4
> >
> > Individual:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPjfUqp-dk
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qP-K1HOMHk
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--2HeQqjq4
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpwxzEopg60
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuG2hYiO9AU
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjY7tigdkA
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4ezMgRlWo
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC3mjRW5Tg
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxsVFG7jHI8
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kLhNngE20
>
> Wow, excellent! Thank you!
>
> Here's some material, hoping it might give you more ideas :)
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4

That one's awesome :D

> http://youtube.com/watch?v=KCmCTVs8Nrs

That one's even more awesome... These goals are best to look at and so hard
to defend  ^.^


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Debug board and "Advanced" accessories

[Justyn Butler]

It's been asked before but I didn't see a conclusive answer.

Will the extra gear, like the debug board, being sold with the GTA01B_v4
Advanced set definitely be the same as will be sold with the GTA02 Advanced?
I'd like to get the 01 Advanced then just buy the 02 Base, without missing
out on anything in the 02 Advanced.

Also, what are the chances of the debug connector being standard (ie
compatible) across future FIC OpenMoko phones?

cheers,
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Re: Quick Question about July 9th.

[Al Johnson]

Since it's all open source _anyone_ could be a developer, so you're free to 
buy one. Keep in mind that at this stage there are known bugs in the 
software, and that many of the apps people take for granted in a consumer 
phone haven't been written yet. If you plan to develop some of the missing 
bits, or if you can live with the pain of buggy/missing apps and can submit 
detailed bug reports, then this may be the time to buy one. If you just want 
an open phone to use then you're probably better waiting for the consumer 
release.

On Thursday 05 July 2007 20:00, Derick Jones wrote:
> Will the phones being sold on July 9th be available to anyone interested or
> only to developers? I am very interested in the phone and just confused as
> to who can order the phone on the 9th. I get mixed readings from various
> websites.
>
> Thank You for your time!
>
> Derick Jones

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Re: Quick Question about July 9th.

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Thursday 05 July 2007 21:00:19 Derick Jones wrote:
> Will the phones being sold on July 9th be available to anyone interested or
> only to developers? I am very interested in the phone and just confused as
> to who can order the phone on the 9th. I get mixed readings from various
> websites.

As far as I understand anyone who pays for it can get it, but don't expect it 
to be anywhere near complete or ready for daily use.


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Quick Question about July 9th.

[Derick Jones]

Will the phones being sold on July 9th be available to anyone interested or
only to developers? I am very interested in the phone and just confused as
to who can order the phone on the 9th. I get mixed readings from various
websites.

Thank You for your time!

Derick Jones
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Re: AND donate entire Netherlands to OpenStreetMap

[W. B. Kranendonk]

> > From: "Frank Coenen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Subject: Re: AND donate entire Netherlands to
> OpenStreetMap
> Message: 5
> 
> Whoops. I was to excited to read the rest of the
> article:
> 
> India and China as well. That is just mindblowing
> good news!
> 
> > see: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=223

Wow! That is quite great indeed... looking forward to
using and extending it!

Regards,

Boudewijn


  

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Re: Openmoko ads now on youtube

[Vincent]

On 05/07/07, Jonas Berlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Quoting Adam Krikstone on 07/04/2007 08:58 PM UTC:
> Good and bad, here are some ads for openmoko and the neo1973 I did.
> Sorry for the bad quality on some but there aren't many videos or
> pictures of the neo1973 besides the wiki.  I stayed with the "free your
> phone," aspect since advertising linux to the public is not going to
> work. I can make better ones if someone can get me high res photos and
> video (720x480 and above).
>
> Playlist:
> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4
>
> Individual:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPjfUqp-dk
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qP-K1HOMHk
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--2HeQqjq4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpwxzEopg60
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuG2hYiO9AU
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjY7tigdkA
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4ezMgRlWo
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC3mjRW5Tg
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxsVFG7jHI8
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kLhNngE20

Wow, excellent! Thank you!

Here's some material, hoping it might give you more ideas :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4



That one's awesome :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KCmCTVs8Nrs


That one's even more awesome... These goals are best to look at and so hard
to defend  ^.^

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Re: Openmoko videos in Ogg Theora

[Krzysztof Kajkowski]

Here you go: http://www.openmoko.org.pl/ads/

cayco

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Re: Openmoko ads on youtube

[ramsesoriginal]

18 and 18 are great. WoW.
atm i am at work, but another cool idea could be the morphing through all
the history of communications: speech, smoke signals, flags, fires,
messengers, telegrafs, fone, amateur-radio, and then the openmoko. And the
something like: "Comunication has always been free. Let it remain so."

On 7/6/07, Adam Krikstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4

13-19 are new.

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