ATI to provide specs (was: Re: SMedia 3362)

[Steve]

Harald Welte wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 05:19:22PM +0100, Giles Jones wrote:
>> On 1 Sep 2007, at 17:11, Mikko Rauhala wrote:
>>> You're implying there are better choices...
>> I wouldn't know since I've not looked into such things. But ATI have mobile 
>> GPUs and are open sourcing desktop drivers, maybe they would do the same 
>> for their mobile devices?
> 
> Why do you think we have spent many weeks, if not months to meet with
> each and every graphics chip vendor?  We're not that stupid, eh.
> 
> It was a very painful and long process to finally find one company that
> was not fundamentally opposed to free software drivers. one in the
> entire industry.

I sympathize with you.  I'm tired of finding no datasheets or worse, the
1 page "datasheet" when I go to look at potential components.  I wonder
how many sales these companies have lost because someone couldn't even
tell what their component does?

The point of this post is to bring attention to the news that ATI/AMD
appears to be planning to actually release documentation, at least for
their desktop chips anyway.  I've heard rumblings about this sort of
thing in the past, and always thought: "Yeah right, I'll believe it when
I see it."  But it appears to actually be happening, open source 2D
drivers from ATI by the end of the year with documentation for the
community to write 3D drivers to follow.

It may be worth talking with ATI again.  Since this announcement, I
don't think it is too far fetched to at least get the same deal you
currently have with SMedia.  I wouldn't be surprised if the people you
were talking to had no idea this sort of thing was being planned.  ATI
may even allow the release documentation at some point in the future.

I realize you are probably already aware of this, and that it is much to
late to show up in the GTA02, I just wanted to make sure you knew about
it. (and I'd love to hear about it if its on the mysterious road map)


Some links: (in no particular order)

Ars Technica:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/09/05/amd-to-deliver-better-ati-drivers-open-specifications
Beyon3d: http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/458
ZDNet: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6206581.html
CNet: http://news.com.com/8301-13580_3-9772788-39.html

Google news search:
http://news.google.com/news?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&tab=wn&ie=ISO-8859-1&ncl=1120354742

ATI's phone processor page: http://ati.amd.com/products/handheld.html

-Steve

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Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

[Jeremy G]

Meh, the fact that you can't even do something as simple as open the
thing up to replace the battery when it goes bad is enough to steer me
away.

I'm interested only in unlocked phones, and the Neo is still the most promising.

On 9/6/07, Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thursday, September 6, 2007, 7:59:56 PM, Joshua wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > I'm new to the listserv.  very much looking forward to the october  no delays!>> release of the neo.
>
> > While the announcement below is neat.  And the hardware for the iphone is
> > neat.
>
> > I'll wait for the neo.
>
> > I have no love for AT&T and will not spend a dime (much less $399) on
> > another closed system.
>
> > Now, if it ran linux with open drivers that might be another thing
> > entirely. :)
>
> > Rgds,
> > joshua
> > On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:43:12 +0300, Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
>
>   Actually, I will wait for GTA02 too. 'Cause the only way to write for
> iPhone is HTML/JavaScript at the moment.
>
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Re: where did the build site go?

[Bartlomiej Zdanowski]

Hi
Michael Lauer pisze:

This is correct. There were some BitBake / OE changes that required
doing a full rebuild. I expect the feed to be up again within the next
12 hours or so.
  

You're right! It's up.
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/


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Re: Myth Busting FTW

[Nkoli]

On 9/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I think there was demand, but if you look at how the number of posts on
> this list has been downhill since a little after its release, I think
> people might have changed their minds..
>
>
> This is why I changed my mind - I have no interest in using this phone
> until it has a reliable dialer.  Until then you cant really call it a
> phone...  I just put mine on the shelf in its super cool looking bullet
> proof case and maybe someday I will take it down and try to mess with it..



Alternatively, the community ML traffic might have decreased because people
can now actually work on their phones, which feels infinitely better than
talking about possible work on it... increased traffic in other lists has
got to be coincidence. I dunno. Just a guess.

Darn, I must have missed Sean's announcement that the software was in
working condition when GTA01 shipped. Bummer, I could have replaced my nokia
before the neo ran out of stock.

Updating your phone might not be such a bad idea. Word has it the dialer and
a host of other things have been working well for a little while now.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing
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Re: No time for my Neo

[Tim Murphy]

I'm interested, but I live in Australia.  Would you consider posting it?

What condition is the Neo in?  How much were you after for it?

Tim


Robert Ferguson wrote:

Hi all,

I have absolutely no time to play with my Neo (the black and silver
one), so I am considering parting with it.  If anyone is interested in
buying it (especially if you live near Boston) and you have a
reasonable offer please let me know.

Best Regards,
Rob

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No time for my Neo

[Robert Ferguson]

Hi all,

I have absolutely no time to play with my Neo (the black and silver
one), so I am considering parting with it.  If anyone is interested in
buying it (especially if you live near Boston) and you have a
reasonable offer please let me know.

Best Regards,
Rob

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Re: Neo Apps: Synergy?

[Alessandro Iurlano]

Synergy appear to work fine on the NEO!
But the cursor is not visible. Is there a way to turn it on?

>
> If you want to try it just add my repository and ipkg install synergy
> src/gz armv4t http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t

it is better to change that line because arm4vt conflicts with already
existing sources. The right line is:
src/gz custom-armv4t http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t

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Re: Myth Busting FTW

[Giles Jones]

On 6 Sep 2007, at 18:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




I think there was demand, but if you look at how the number of  
posts on

this list has been downhill since a little after its release, I think
people might have changed their minds..


This is why I changed my mind - I have no interest in using this phone
until it has a reliable dialer.  Until then you cant really call it a
phone...  I just put mine on the shelf in its super cool looking  
bullet
proof case and maybe someday I will take it down and try to mess  
with it..




IMHO it takes a long time, too long to get the feel of the build  
system. Then you hit build problems and if you don't have much time  
to devote due to work commitments it is tough.


If the build and development was possible using a Gnome IDE it would  
save a lot of time.



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Re: Myth Busting FTW

[openmoko]

> second revision. A few thousand devices being sold in a month shows
> that there is some demand for a real GNU/Linux running phone, does it
> not?

I think there was demand, but if you look at how the number of posts on
this list has been downhill since a little after its release, I think
people might have changed their minds..


This is why I changed my mind - I have no interest in using this phone
until it has a reliable dialer.  Until then you cant really call it a
phone...  I just put mine on the shelf in its super cool looking bullet
proof case and maybe someday I will take it down and try to mess with it..


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Re: Myth Busting FTW

[Clinton Ebadi]

Daniel Eran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


> TMobile only owns 1900 MHz  transponders, which are high enough to be
> problematic. That means subscribers have to roam on AT&T to use 850 MHz.

1900 is the standard US frequency, and 850 is the non-standard. My
nearly four year old tri-band European phone Just Works (tm) on
T-Mobile which is why I got T-Mobile; it was painful having to wait
*years* for 850 versions of phones to be released in the US (which is
luckily not so much of an issue now).

What is wrong with 1900? I've never had any issues even when five
years ago in the Carolinas when the Cingular and T-Mobile coverage
areas were really crap. I suspect your phone has a bad antenna as the
tower being a few meters taller really shouldn't affect the signal
much when you can be a mile or so away.

AT&T also has a significant amount of 1900. Their entire network in
the Carolinas is 1900 at least (I know as I travel there often and I
can roam without issue and my phone does not do 850).

> even smaller market than AT&T's US version of UMTS. T-Mobile uses
> non-standard frequencies that only a quad band phone could use, and
> then only hitting on one cylinder out of four. I've been a T-Mobile
> customer for years,

One cyclinder out of four? Please explain what you mean by this. If
you mean that the data transfer speeds or some such are slow becuse
you can't allocate all slots at once I think you are wrong. I am on a
GPRS connection right now, and I generally get the fully 40 k/s down
that my device is capable of except around nine p.m. or so (I'm
guessing when everyone jumps on to use their 'free' time).

> No I'm not. I had more to say about FIC than OpenMoko. I'm just
> pointing out that buying an FIC phone isn't sticking it to Microsoft
> in any sense beyond buying a Dell Windows PC and then installing
> Linux. It has no market effect at all.

How does buying a phone that is capable of running Windows mobile help
*or* hurt Microsoft? They are not getting a Windows license fee from
the hardware. Your analogy does not hold -- Microsoft gets money when
you buy a machine with Windows installed. The Neo1973 is more like
buying an os-less machine. Your conclusion that there is no market
effect does mostly hold, but at the same time there seems to be a
slight effect: the gta01 Neo1973 appears to have sold at least two
full production runs and FIC is going ahead with the production of a
second revision. A few thousand devices being sold in a month shows
that there is some demand for a real GNU/Linux running phone, does it
not?


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Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

[Denis Parchenko]

Thursday, September 6, 2007, 7:59:56 PM, Joshua wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm new to the listserv.  very much looking forward to the october > release of the neo.

> While the announcement below is neat.  And the hardware for the iphone is
> neat.

> I'll wait for the neo.

> I have no love for AT&T and will not spend a dime (much less $399) on
> another closed system.

> Now, if it ran linux with open drivers that might be another thing
> entirely. :)

> Rgds,
> joshua
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:43:12 +0300, Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  Actually, I will wait for GTA02 too. 'Cause the only way to write for
iPhone is HTML/JavaScript at the moment.

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Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

[Denis Parchenko]

Thursday, September 6, 2007, 7:52:35 PM, David wrote:

>> Anyone saw new Apple announcement? Now iPhone is priced at $399..

> ..an act which has certainly pissed off all the folks who got suckered
> into standing in lines for days and paying through the nose to be the
> first kid on the block with one. This will not incent future potential
> buyers to get, for example, an "iPod Touch" right away, as opposed to
> waiting a few months to see what the price drop will be. Not a good
> strategic move.

> Beyond that, a price drop of 33% on a product scarcely two months old
> strongly suggests that iPhones are not exactly flying off the shelves
> now that the initial reaction has died down...

  As for me, after such drop I became more intended in purchasing it...

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Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

[Alexey Feldgendler]

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:43:12 +0200, Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  Anyone saw new Apple announcement? Now iPhone is priced at $399..
  
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/05/steve-jobs-live-apples-the-beat-goes-on-special-event/


Notice how Apple fans are GLAD to be pwned. They, for example, react with  
applause to statements like this:


"Our ringtones are going to cost just $.99 in addition to the song."

Huh? I can't put an audio file I already own as a ringtone without paying  
extra?



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Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

[Joshua Layne]

Hi all,
I'm new to the listserv.  very much looking forward to the october  release of the neo.

While the announcement below is neat.  And the hardware for the iphone is
neat.

I'll wait for the neo.

I have no love for AT&T and will not spend a dime (much less $399) on
another closed system.

Now, if it ran linux with open drivers that might be another thing
entirely. :)

Rgds,
joshua
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:43:12 +0300, Denis Parchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks!
> 
>   Anyone saw new Apple announcement? Now iPhone is priced at $399..
>  
>
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/05/steve-jobs-live-apples-the-beat-goes-on-special-event/
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Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

[David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger]

> Anyone saw new Apple announcement? Now iPhone is priced at $399..

...an act which has certainly pissed off all the folks who got suckered
into standing in lines for days and paying through the nose to be the
first kid on the block with one. This will not incent future potential
buyers to get, for example, an "iPod Touch" right away, as opposed to
waiting a few months to see what the price drop will be. Not a good
strategic move.

Beyond that, a price drop of 33% on a product scarcely two months old
strongly suggests that iPhones are not exactly flying off the shelves
now that the initial reaction has died down...


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Apple is going to beat all competitors

[Denis Parchenko]

Hi folks!

  Anyone saw new Apple announcement? Now iPhone is priced at $399..
  
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/05/steve-jobs-live-apples-the-beat-goes-on-special-event/

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Re: Neo Apps: Synergy?

[Alessandro Iurlano]

On 9/6/07, Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeffrey Thomas wrote:
> > Anyone know if Synergy (client), which allows for mouse/keybd/clipbd 
> > sharing between two or more computers, will be available on the Neo?
> >
> > http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
>
> Should be easy to make a package. Go ahead. ;)
>
> PS: I have not looked if it is already available. Maybe it is...

It is already available.
As I am a synergy user I did an on the fly build package and uploaded
to my online repository.
I did not test it as I am at work and without the NEO.

If you want to try it just add my repository and ipkg install synergy
src/gz armv4t http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipk/armv4t

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Re: 4 GB SD flash card does not work

[Thomas Gstädtner]

Good to know :)

2007/9/6, Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hello.
>
> On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 12:37, Thomas Gstädtner wrote:
> > Georg:
> > It was said, that the SoC *should* support microSDHC-cards, but nobody
> hat
> > the chance to test it.
>
> Outdated informations. :)
>
> I have one and tested it succesfully.
> http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=93
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> > I don't know about the kernel support for SDHC at all.
>
> It does since version 2.6.21
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Re: Neo Apps: Synergy?

[Tilman Baumann]

Jeffrey Thomas wrote:

Anyone know if Synergy (client), which allows for mouse/keybd/clipbd sharing 
between two or more computers, will be available on the Neo?

http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/


Should be easy to make a package. Go ahead. ;)

PS: I have not looked if it is already available. Maybe it is...


Regards
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Re: Neo Apps: Synergy?

[Adam King]

x2x works fine (though I mainly use it mainly for sharing keyboard).
If you want the mouse to display, you'll need to change the
"-hide-cursor" option in /etc/X11/Xserver.  Here's the command line I
use to share mouse/keyboard between my system and the neo:

  x2x -from trinity:0.1 -to neo1973:0.0  -south -buttonblock &

where "trinity" is my main system (multi screen) and "neo1973" points
to the neo.  Also, you'll need to run "xhost +trinity" on the neo to
allow sharing.  Cheers,

   Adam


On 9/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone know if Synergy (client), which allows for mouse/keybd/clipbd sharing 
> between two or more computers, will be available on the Neo?
>
> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
>
> Thanks,
>
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Neo Apps: Synergy?

[Jeffrey Thomas]

Anyone know if Synergy (client), which allows for mouse/keybd/clipbd sharing 
between two or more computers, will be available on the Neo?

http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/

Thanks,

el jefe

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Neo on sale ebay

[kaplan]

Put my devel kit up for sale on ebay. No time right now to port our existing
software, but I love the phone. And I'll be back.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260157395019


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Re: Fwd: A guestion

[Tilman Baumann]

Andreas Utterberg wrote:

Thanx for the fast replies!

Does anybody have a good howto on how to setup a sandbox env on a Fedora 
to be able to write apps? I have also read that most applications is 
written i GTK+, can one program in any other languages for the moko? 
Such as python/perl?


I have seen python guis. Perl is available but i don't know if there are 
gtk bindngs available.

The python bindings seem to be more or less complete.

Python will be the prefered language for scripting as it looks now. So 
you can expect full support there at least in the future.


But i have to say, i have no idea how far pyhon is specificly on 
openmoko. It might even be fully complete yet.


I am really eager to buy a moko, but is it functional today, im living 
in sweden, is it stable to call from on GSM?


Rumors have that GSM is working stable now. When i checked last weeks it 
was not (yet).



Also are there any disadvantages to by a moko right now?


Early software early hardware. Both will improve in time...

Does the new 02 
have a new design, specs so its smarter to wait?


Better hardware. (see previous mails on ths thread)

You can start developing in qemu or native builds.

If you think you can live without getting the developer hardware now, i 
suggest you wait.



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Re: 4 GB SD flash card does not work

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 12:37, Thomas Gstädtner wrote:
> Georg:
> It was said, that the SoC *should* support microSDHC-cards, but nobody hat
> the chance to test it.

Outdated informations. :)

I have one and tested it succesfully.
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=93

> I don't know about the kernel support for SDHC at all.

It does since version 2.6.21

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Re: 4 GB SD flash card does not work

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 23:27, Ole Tange wrote:
> I just got a 4 GB SD flash card. It seems this does not work. It may
> just be this model though.

Mine works fine.

http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=93

> SanDisk 4GB microSDHC 07190023400ZC

That number looks more like a serial of the card and not the product
number to me. I also have one from SanDisk with producz ID SDSDQ-4096-E11M

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards

> It does not work in my 2 cameras

Only a few cameras have SDHC support.

> and also not in a Linux machine that is newer than the Windows machine.

Which kernel version? SDHC support was added in 2.6.21

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Re: A guestion

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

- On 9/6/07, Andreas Utterberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| GTK+, can one program in any other languages for the moko? Such as
| python/perl?
\--

Python. Yes.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#Adding_Python_scripts_as_applications

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001909.html

-
| is it stable to call from on GSM?
\--

Yes. Works for me.

-
| Also are there any disadvantages to by a moko right now? Does the new 02
| have a new design, specs so its smarter to wait?
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http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison

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| Thanx in advance and im sorry for any stupid questions.
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They are not stupid questions. They were relevant to you. Do spend
some time exploring the wiki:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page

SK

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Re: Fwd: A guestion

[Gabriel Ambuehl]

On Thursday 06 September 2007 13:27:34 Andreas Utterberg wrote:
> Thanx for the fast replies!
>
> Does anybody have a good howto on how to setup a sandbox env on a Fedora to
> be able to write apps? I have also read that most applications is written i
> GTK+, can one program in any other languages for the moko? Such as
> python/perl?

In whatever language you can use to interface with GTK or even X itself, but 
it might not look the same or offer all the moko toolkit interfaces.

> I am really eager to buy a moko, but is it functional today, im living in
> sweden, is it stable to call from on GSM?

Not yet from what I read.



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Fwd: A guestion

[Andreas Utterberg]

Thanx for the fast replies!

Does anybody have a good howto on how to setup a sandbox env on a Fedora to
be able to write apps? I have also read that most applications is written i
GTK+, can one program in any other languages for the moko? Such as
python/perl?

I am really eager to buy a moko, but is it functional today, im living in
sweden, is it stable to call from on GSM?

Also are there any disadvantages to by a moko right now? Does the new 02
have a new design, specs so its smarter to wait?

Thanx in advance and im sorry for any stupid questions.

Br Andutt




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From: Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sep 6, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: A guestion
To: List for OpenMoko community discussion 

Andreas Utterberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> Hello Community of OpenmokoDoes anybody know if the device in october is
the same device up for sale onopenmoko.com today? And will that device have
the same developer support as
> the 1973? So one can flash it and write apps to it?Thanx in advancebr
Andutt

The next version has minor differences, improved graphics, wifi, one speaker
instead of two, different GPS chip, less hardware bugs (hopefully).

It can be programmed and upgraded the same as the current version.

---
G O Jones





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Re: A guestion

[Ian Stirling]

Giles Jones wrote:

Andreas Utterberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :



Hello Community of OpenmokoDoes anybody know if the device in october is the 
same device up for sale onopenmoko.com today? And will that device have the 
same developer support as
the 1973? So one can flash it and write apps to it?Thanx in advancebr Andutt



The next version has minor differences, improved graphics, wifi, one speaker 
instead of two, different GPS chip, less hardware bugs (hopefully).


GPS has not been determined, it may or may not change.

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Re: A guestion

[Daniel Spies]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:37:00 +0200,  wrote:
> Hello Community of Openmoko
> 
> Does anybody know if the device in october is the same device up for sale
> on
> openmoko.com today? 

No! See
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison
GTA01 = current
GTA02 = October version

> And will that device have the same developer support
> as
> the 1973? So one can flash it and write apps to it?

Yes.

> 
> Thanx in advance
> 
> br Andutt


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Re: A guestion

[Ian Stirling]

Andreas Utterberg wrote:

Hello Community of Openmoko

Does anybody know if the device in october is the same device up for sale on
openmoko.com  today?

No.
And october is unlikely.
Though we have not been given a date at which the hardware may be 
purchasable. (even a 'later than November' would be of use)

> And will that device have the

same developer support as
the 1973? So one can flash it and write apps to it?


The whole point of OM is that the hardware has well documented 
interfaces and drivers to it.
You can run any software you like over it, and conversely, you can 
install the software on any of the range of phones.


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Re: USB host

[Ian Stirling]

ruk.ansari wrote:

Hi,

Apologize for bringing this up again but its still not clear to me:
Does this mean that without the kernel patch, we cannot use a Wi-Fi USB 
card connected to the Neo via a battery powered USB Hub?




Yes, there is no way to switch it to host mode

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Re: USB host

[Daniel Spies]

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:37:04 +0530, "ruk.ansari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Apologize for bringing this up again but its still not clear to me:
> Does this mean that without the kernel patch, we cannot use a Wi-Fi USB
> card connected to the Neo via a battery powered USB Hub?

Yes, that's right. No host mode at all ATM...

Cheers,
Daniel

> 
> -Rukhsana
> 



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Re: A guestion

[Giles Jones]

Andreas Utterberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> Hello Community of OpenmokoDoes anybody know if the device in october is the 
> same device up for sale onopenmoko.com today? And will that device have the 
> same developer support as
> the 1973? So one can flash it and write apps to it?Thanx in advancebr Andutt

The next version has minor differences, improved graphics, wifi, one speaker 
instead of two, different GPS chip, less hardware bugs (hopefully).

It can be programmed and upgraded the same as the current version.

---
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A guestion

[Andreas Utterberg]

Hello Community of Openmoko

Does anybody know if the device in october is the same device up for sale on
openmoko.com today? And will that device have the same developer support as
the 1973? So one can flash it and write apps to it?

Thanx in advance

br Andutt
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Re: 4 GB SD flash card does not work

[Thomas Gstädtner]

Georg:
It was said, that the SoC *should* support microSDHC-cards, but nobody hat
the chance to test it.
I don't know about the kernel support for SDHC at all.

Ole:
The dmesg output on your linux PC would be interesting.


2007/9/5, Georg Michelitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Giles Jones wrote:
> >
> > On 5 Sep 2007, at 22:27, Ole Tange wrote:
> >
> >> I just got a 4 GB SD flash card. It seems this does not work. It may
> >> just be this model though.
> >>
> >> SanDisk 4GB microSDHC 07190023400ZC
> >>
> >> So if you try it out with a 4GB card, try to get another one.
> >>
> >> In a SD adapter it works in a computer running Microsoft Windows.
> >>
> >> It does not work in my 2 cameras and also not in a Linux machine that
> >> is newer than the Windows machine.
> >>
> >> I have a feeling it might just be a driver issue.
> >>
> >> /Ole
> >
> > Does it show up at all or just doesn't mount? you may need to format
> > as ext3 if it doesnt mount.
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> Sorry for getting off-topic but I was just wondering if the Neo is able
> to handle any capacity of microSD / microSDHC memory Cards?
> (hardware-side spoken..)
> I assume capacity shouldn't be the problem on the side of software,
> right? Or are there some problems employing some "newer" cards (6GB, 8GB
> coming soon) ?
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Re: USB host

[ruk.ansari]

Hi,

Apologize for bringing this up again but its still not clear to me:
Does this mean that without the kernel patch, we cannot use a Wi-Fi USB 
card connected to the Neo via a battery powered USB Hub?


-Rukhsana

Sven Neuhaus wrote:

Ian Stirling schrieb:
  

assistivetechnology wrote:


Did anyone ever try to use the USB host with power supply, or build a
HW workaround to supply USB devices with power?
  

I'm contemplating the latter.
The kernel does not currently support USB host - it needs a patch.



FWIW, I brought a battery powered USB hub (Cyberpower) to CCCamp 2007 for
testing it with the Neo1973, but this bit was missing, so we didn't even try it.

-Sven

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