Re: Yet another keypad idea

2007-09-12 Thread Dylan McCall
Aha! That's just like one I had dreamed up, except less bloated and very
sensible. Great job actually doing it; this is very intuitive. I can see
that working really well with dragging the stylus through the buttons, with
no need for multiple clicks. That could lead to a sort of intuitive graphiti
pad -- even moreso with a few graphics effects, where hot spots appear at
positions relative to the stylus only if there is a letter in that
direction.

Unfortunately, you seem to draw letters in a completely different direction
than I do. I can see this potentially being user configurable, where one
could create his own patterns for letters. Just drag the stylus to draw an
e as you want, and the system picks up the order in which you drag it
through hot spots. I think that could really be the ultimate handwriting
style input, finally accepting and building on the fact that people all draw
letters differently, and that kind of stuff cannot be unlearned. This way
one's keyboard is specially fit for him, which would be really unique!
(Building on the more than 9 buttons suggestion, that user configuration
could include setting the sensitivity, which would boost the number of hot
spots).

Great work, OJW. This is way ahead of any qwerty layout. Much more suited to
a touch screen.
I have some spare time tomorrow, so I will see if I can come up with an
example of my own so we can compare notes. Seeing your demo here shows that
it's actually a surprisingly clean thing to achieve, code wise.

Bye,
-Dylan McCall

On 9/8/07, OJW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just playing with another idea for text-entry:

 http://almien.co.uk/Keypad/

 The idea is to be able to type mixed letters / numbers / symbols /
 control-characters without having to look at the screen when typing.  It
 takes a while to pick-up, but should be easy to use once you see how it
 works.

 Only implemented as a javascript demo for now, but imagine it as
 finger-app
 (perhaps transparently overlaid on an application).  Only tested on
 firefox,
 sorry!

 Regards,

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Re: Message duplicates

2007-09-12 Thread Harald Welte
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 11:29:13PM +0200, Richard Bennett wrote:
 Hi Harald,
 Could you please check whether spamassassin has frozen again?
 The duplicate messages seem to have started once more.

sorry once again. It should be fixed now.  I'm happy to announce that we
have a dedicated sysadmin for our public openmoko.org servers starting
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asking for project

2007-09-12 Thread Vittoria Cozza

Hello,
here again group of computer science student from University of Bari-Itay.
still not clear for us what better to implement.
What about these ideas:

1)to offer sms  and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but 
with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user 
point of view.
We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose 
which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm).

This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list.

2)to implement a tool to support music wifi streaming/sharing (it 
reminds to P2P applications)

3)from wish list:  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support
4) mobile MESH to create a decentralized network

Wait for your opinions and suggestions.

Vittoria Cozza
PHD student
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Re: asking for project

2007-09-12 Thread digger vermont
Hi Vittoria,

On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 12:59 +, Vittoria Cozza wrote:
 Hello,
 here again group of computer science student from University of Bari-Itay.
 still not clear for us what better to implement.
 What about these ideas:
 
 1)to offer sms  and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but 
 with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user 
 point of view.
 We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose 
 which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm).
 This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list.

For me this is the one that I believe would help put an openmoko based
phone ahead of the pack.

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Re: Message duplicates

2007-09-12 Thread Denis Parchenko
 sorry once again. It should be fixed now.  I'm happy to announce that we
 have a dedicated sysadmin for our public openmoko.org servers starting
 his work in three days ;)

  Some strange things happening to me. In addition to duplicate
messages I receive empty messages with only one thing -- OpenMoko community 
banner:

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OpenMoko on Ebay

2007-09-12 Thread Jimmy McMillan
Due to lack of funds and impatience I put my openmoko up on ebay. 


http://cgi.ebay.com/OpenMoko-Neo1973-GTA01BV4_W0QQitemZ180158766008QQihZ008QQcategoryZ38331QQcmdZViewItem

Mint Condition... I messed around with it for a total of 3-4 hours.  
Have fun with the project, see you all in a few months.


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2007.2 dialer suggestions

2007-09-12 Thread Joshua Layne
I saw some feedback on this at one point, but I have been unable to locate
the thread - so...

I like most of what I see in the 2007.2 dialer mockups, but there are two
glaring usabiliy issues in my mind.

One, the answer icon doesn't look that much different from the ignore icon:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f0/Dialer-incoming-arrows.png

Could there be a color shift here? maybe a green/red thing?  I know that
green/red is bad for color blind, but for those of us who aren't color
blind it would help (and I would argue that orange/orange is just as bad
for anyone colorblind (or not))


Two (and this was previously commented on), the hangup button should NOT
replace the answer button.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/f7/Dialer-talking-arrows.png

A suggestion would be to have the speakerphone button replace the answer
button.  Positional association with function can be very strong - it needs
to be intuitive.

Rgds,
joshua


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Re: 2007.2 dialer suggestions

2007-09-12 Thread Roger Borges
I agree with both of these points. Red and green may interfere with the
color scheme of the phone, but maybe making the ignore/hangup icon red and
leaving the answer icon orange would be effective?
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application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff Andros
Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside the
heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea: GPS based
weather feeds.

on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out to a
server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're in.

being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather data
would be nice

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Re: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Giles Jones


On 12 Sep 2007, at 20:30, Jeff Andros wrote:

Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside  
the heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application  
idea: GPS based weather feeds.


on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out  
to a server and retrieve the weather information for the area  
you're in.


being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather  
data would be nice




What you suggest are what people call Location Based Services and  
there's plenty of ideas for such things.


Find local services, taxi, food, hotel.

Warn of weather.

Local news.

Have a read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Location-based_service




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Re: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Jimmy
Eh...  why would you need to know the current weather if your already 
there, looking at it?


Jeff Andros wrote:
Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside 
the heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea: 
GPS based weather feeds.


on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out to 
a server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're in.


being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather 
data would be nice


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Re: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff Andros
On 9/13/07, Jimmy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Eh...  why would you need to know the current weather if your already
 there, looking at it?

 snip /


a couple of reasons:

1. some of us work in buildings without windows... and have vehicles
which may need to be covered if it starts to storm
2. um... forecasts?
3. you should see the people walk out of sky harbor(phoenix, az airport)
in august... the heat hits them like a ton of bricks(makes picking people up
from the airport more entertaining)

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Re: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Baxter Kylie
Actually, current temperature should be able to be picked up from the
touchscreen if, that is, the touchscreen is heat sensitive. I have
another touchscreen device with some customized firmware on it that
can tell me the temperature based on what the average temp of the
screen is. Doesn't even require bandwidth. :)

Regards,
~BK


On 9/12/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think he means weather to be.

 Though seriously I think that people aren't really pushing the
 usefulness limits of what can be done with 'permanent tethered
 connections'. Most are just repurposing existing apps - think more
 pervasive guys.



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  -Original Message-
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  Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 4:39 PM
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  Eh...  why would you need to know the current weather if your already
  there, looking at it?
 
  Jeff Andros wrote:
   Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside
   the heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea:
   GPS based weather feeds.
  
   on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out
 to
   a server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're
 in.
  
   being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather
   data would be nice
  
   --
   Jeff
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Re: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Jim McDonald

Jeff Andros wrote:
Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside 
the heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea: 
GPS based weather feeds.


on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out to 
a server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're in.

[...]

Possibly more interesting would be for the calendar app to look ahead at 
your position-to-be and provide you with details (or even alerts) of 
what (for example) the weather is likely to be when you get to where you 
are going.  Knowing that it will probably be raining when you step off a 
'plane allows you to pack appropriately.


Cheers,
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RE: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Dean Collins
I think he means weather to be.

Though seriously I think that people aren't really pushing the
usefulness limits of what can be done with 'permanent tethered
connections'. Most are just repurposing existing apps - think more
pervasive guys.



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 Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 4:39 PM
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 Eh...  why would you need to know the current weather if your already
 there, looking at it?
 
 Jeff Andros wrote:
  Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside
  the heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea:
  GPS based weather feeds.
 
  on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out
to
  a server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're
in.
 
  being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather
  data would be nice
 
  --
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Re: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread ian douglas
... which doesn't help any if you're in the air-conditioned 
afore-mentioned airport in Arizona and you want to know how warm it is 
outside ;o)


-id


Baxter Kylie wrote:

Actually, current temperature should be able to be picked up from the
touchscreen if, that is, the touchscreen is heat sensitive. I have
another touchscreen device with some customized firmware on it that
can tell me the temperature based on what the average temp of the
screen is. Doesn't even require bandwidth. :)



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Re: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On 9/13/07, Jimmy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Eh...  why would you need to know the current weather if your already
 there, looking at it?
You can look 5 days into the future too? Wow, i thought it was just me :)

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[Data Calls] over [Wifi Mesh network]

2007-09-12 Thread Francesco Pistillo
 1)to offer sms  and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but
 with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user
 point of view.
 We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose
 which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm).
 This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list.

For me this is the one that I believe would help put an openmoko based
phone ahead of the pack.

digger

Hi, i'm a member of University of Bari team (Vittoria Cozza). Is
interesting to combine 1) with 4) mobile MESH to create a
decentralized network.
After some research on internet, i found a private company that start
this project.

Here is an extract about main idea:

..works using handsets adapted to work as peers that can
route data or calls for other phones in the network. The handsets also
serve as nodes between other handsets, extending the reach of the
entire system. Each handset has an effective range of about one
kilometre.
This collaborative routing of calls means there is no cost to talk
between handsets..
When a phone is switched on, it begins to look for other
phones within range. If it finds them, it starts to connect and extend
the radio network...
...When a number is dialled a handset checks to see if the person
being called is within range. If they are, the call goes through.


is it a great idea? according to openmoko community we can start this project!

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Re: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Alexey Feldgendler

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:57:28 +0200, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

... which doesn't help any if you're in the air-conditioned  
afore-mentioned airport in Arizona and you want to know how warm it is  
outside ;o)


While inside the airport, you also won't get the GPS satellite signal to  
find out where you are.



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Re: asking for project

2007-09-12 Thread Ryan Prior
I tend to think that a call router that works via a wifi hotspot would be a
really excellent solution. If you can make it work technically, I would go
for it.

On 9/12/07, Vittoria Cozza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 here again group of computer science student from University of Bari-Itay.
 still not clear for us what better to implement.
 What about these ideas:

 1)to offer sms  and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but
 with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user
 point of view.
 We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose
 which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm).
 This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list.

 2)to implement a tool to support music wifi streaming/sharing (it
 reminds to P2P applications)
 3)from wish list:  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support
 4) mobile MESH to create a decentralized network

 Wait for your opinions and suggestions.

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Re: application idea

2007-09-12 Thread Jimmy

meteorology is a joke

Federico Lorenzi wrote:

On 9/13/07, Jimmy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Eh...  why would you need to know the current weather if your already
there, looking at it?


You can look 5 days into the future too? Wow, i thought it was just me :)

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RE: asking for project

2007-09-12 Thread Dean Collins
It's called Sip and is already done. (or IAX2 as long as you are
registering with an asterisk server)

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: List for OpenMoko community discussion
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: asking for project

 

I tend to think that a call router that works via a wifi hotspot would
be a really excellent solution. If you can make it work technically, I
would go for it.

On 9/12/07, Vittoria Cozza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,
here again group of computer science student from University of
Bari-Itay.
still not clear for us what better to implement.
What about these ideas:

1)to offer sms  and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but 
with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user
point of view.
We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose
which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm). 
This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list.

2)to implement a tool to support music wifi streaming/sharing (it
reminds to P2P applications)
3)from wish list:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support 
4) mobile MESH to create a decentralized network

Wait for your opinions and suggestions.

Vittoria Cozza
PHD student
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Re: [Data Calls] over [Wifi Mesh network]

2007-09-12 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On 9/12/07, Francesco Pistillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When a phone is switched on, it begins to look for other
 phones within range. If it finds them, it starts to connect and extend
 the radio network...
 ...When a number is dialled a handset checks to see if the person
 being called is within range. If they are, the call goes through.

If you want to do that over WiFi, maybe investigate how to implement
802.11s.  It specifies a routing protocol to maintain a mesh network.
It has been used on the OLPC (one laptop per child) project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11s

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Re: 2007.2 dialer suggestions

2007-09-12 Thread Dylan McCall
The biggest problem I see is that the current icons are all very similar,
and in some programs we actually have two of the same icon! (The Home icon);
one at top, one at bottom. For someone just learning the system, this is
very hard to understand.
We need more informative icons that each have their own very distinct look.
At the moment, this is a very scary case of mystery meat.

I think the Accept Call icon could have some indication of sound coming from
the receiver, and it wouldn't hurt to have the button in the middle of the
screen, where the call icon (#2) currently is located.

I also agree with swapping Speaker Phone and Hang Up. A good interface needs
a consistent rule for which side the positive and negative responses are on,
and this must never change. (For example, Gnome's HIG).

Bye,
-Dylan McCall

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 On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:27:53 -0700, Roger Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I agree with both of these points. Red and green may interfere with the
  color scheme of the phone, but maybe making the ignore/hangup icon red
 and
  leaving the answer icon orange would be effective?

 While I would not suggest that we move the UI to an AngryFruitSalad
 (http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/A/angry-fruit-salad.html) - I am not
 certain that a diachrome orange and black scheme is the only answer.

 However, I know the UI is themed - my biggest concern is the button
 location, not the color - the color can be easily changed by re-theming.

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Re: [Data Calls] over [Wifi Mesh network]

2007-09-12 Thread Geopilot

What is the name of the private company?

It sounds good.

It would be good to do the same thing for internet wireless routers


Francesco Pistillo wrote:

1)to offer sms  and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but
with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user
point of view.
We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose
which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm).
This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list.



For me this is the one that I believe would help put an openmoko based
phone ahead of the pack.



digger


Hi, i'm a member of University of Bari team (Vittoria Cozza). Is
interesting to combine 1) with 4) mobile MESH to create a
decentralized network.
After some research on internet, i found a private company that start
this project.

Here is an extract about main idea:

..works using handsets adapted to work as peers that can
route data or calls for other phones in the network. The handsets also
serve as nodes between other handsets, extending the reach of the
entire system. Each handset has an effective range of about one
kilometre.
This collaborative routing of calls means there is no cost to talk
between handsets..
When a phone is switched on, it begins to look for other
phones within range. If it finds them, it starts to connect and extend
the radio network...
...When a number is dialled a handset checks to see if the person
being called is within range. If they are, the call goes through.


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RE: asking for project

2007-09-12 Thread Dean Collins
He may not have come across asterisk before - which isn't entirely an
unreasonable expectation.

 

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From: Mark Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 6:11 PM
To: Dean Collins
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Hi There,

I am sure all work that is en devoured by the greater community is
valued and appreciated. 

It's called Sip and is already done. (or IAX2 as long as you are
registering with an asterisk server)


Some constructive advice is always the best route I find. 

With regards,

Mark.




On 9/12/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's called Sip and is already done. (or IAX2 as long as you are
registering with an asterisk server)

 

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Dean Collins
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I tend to think that a call router that works via a wifi hotspot would
be a really excellent solution. If you can make it work technically, I
would go for it.

On 9/12/07, Vittoria Cozza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,
here again group of computer science student from University of
Bari-Itay.
still not clear for us what better to implement.
What about these ideas:

1)to offer sms  and/or phone call services not just by GSM network, but 
with WIFI,bluethoot, and so on, in transparent way from the end user
point of view.
We mean: when a person want to make a call, our program should choose
which is the faster and cheaper way to route the call (WIFI, gsm). 
This idea is based on walkie talkie idea in wish list.

2)to implement a tool to support music wifi streaming/sharing (it
reminds to P2P applications)
3)from wish list:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist#Printing_Support 
4) mobile MESH to create a decentralized network

Wait for your opinions and suggestions.

Vittoria Cozza
PHD student
Bari University- Italy 





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FW: MobileCampNYC2 - November 10th at the Downtown Conference Center

2007-09-12 Thread Dean Collins
BTW any OpenMoko users in New York want to come to this?


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 Hey everybody,
 
 we are pleased to announce the upcoming MobileCampNYC2, November 10th,
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