Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
Ted Lemon wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:19 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require an off-board SVGA controller, which could be prototyped with a USB SVGA controller, assuming Linux drivers can be found. I think when you add all the pieces together, this isn't going to be a cost-effective solution, and it's not going to perform well either. Head mounted displays need to get higher resolution before they're worth the money. What's the point of having a six-foot-tall screen in your visual field if it's only 640x480? And having direct access to the frame buffer makes a big difference in performance. I like the way you're thinking, though - if it were possible to get WUXGA glasses, that would completely solve the portable display problem. And I don't think it's out of the question - it's just too soon. The parts you'd need to make one are only just becoming available. But it's with this in mind that I mention the DVI output - you really don't want to plug VGA into a display like that. agreed. meanwhile, and I am well aware that this isn't FIC/OpenMoko hardware, but for a portable laptop replacement, I think the upcoming Nokia N810 is a pretty good fit. no phone, but that's what the neo is for. still waiting on the unification device - one handheld to rule them all. j. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:19 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: > I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the > i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require > an > off-board SVGA controller, which could be prototyped with a USB SVGA > controller, assuming Linux drivers can be found. I think when you add all the pieces together, this isn't going to be a cost-effective solution, and it's not going to perform well either. Head mounted displays need to get higher resolution before they're worth the money. What's the point of having a six-foot-tall screen in your visual field if it's only 640x480? And having direct access to the frame buffer makes a big difference in performance. I like the way you're thinking, though - if it were possible to get WUXGA glasses, that would completely solve the portable display problem. And I don't think it's out of the question - it's just too soon. The parts you'd need to make one are only just becoming available. But it's with this in mind that I mention the DVI output - you really don't want to plug VGA into a display like that. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
I'd like to explore adding a head mounted display to the Neo, like the i-glasses PC/SVGA Head Mounted Display at about $700. Would require an off-board SVGA controller, which could be prototyped with a USB SVGA controller, assuming Linux drivers can be found. Thoughts? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
Since everyone is dreaming of future things, why not add wireless usb to the phone in a next generation device? Then you don't actually need a physical connection to drive the display or keyboard/mouse/accessories. Add to the 'laptop' package the ability to power/charge the phone via one of the new wireless methods and you won't need cables at all. Just a 'pocket' or slot to hold the phone for charging/etc But other than that, the phone could still be in your pocket while using the 'laptop' interface. --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 09:29 +, Andy Powell wrote: > If I can manage to push aside the feeling that people should just buy > something like the Asus EEE PC rather than going this route... No bluetooth. No DVI out. Doesn't fit in your pocket, unless you have a really big pocket. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 10:11 +0100, "Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik" wrote: > Why not a laptop chassis The laptop form factor forces poor ergonomics. I always bring a keyboard with me when I travel so that I can have the screen up high and the keyboard down low. So for me the built-in keyboard is just wasted space. And when you take that and the CPU out, all you're really left with is the TFT. The really great thing about the TFT is that because it doesn't have the crown jewels on it (your data!), you can put it in luggage and check it, and the worst that happens on the other end is that you have to get a replacement if someone stole it. Checking a laptop isn't such a fortunate plan. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible
On Nov 17, 2007 3:04 AM, Dietz Proepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hank williams: > > On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the > > > video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hope that > > > google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold. > > > > > > -Will > > > > I do hope and expect android to be open. That said, lets be clear "not > > open" != evil. > > You got that backwards, buddy. "Not open" -> evil holds to a much larger > extent than the inversion (for you information, that would be "open" -> > not evil). > I strongly suggest you shut off that PC, leave the building and head toward the caves, lest you be infected with too much evil. And do *not* bring your neo. Its not safe either. Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
On Saturday 17 November 2007 09:11, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: > On 09:56:25 2007-11-17 Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I really like your idea. I also think that GTA02 will have enough > > > power for a small notebook-replacement for a bit hacking, writing > > > or something like this. > > Here's my 0.02 euro-cents... > > Why not a laptop chassis with a tft in and an extra battery pack integrated > and keyboard(combo usb/bt/wireless)(hell even a mouse of some sorts) and > then just have a plugin slot for the neo to hook in(of course this would > require a bit of hardware addon to the neo(a vga/dvi/other) port but it > could work out nicely... > > And have both displays be able to work at the same time(randr1.2) so that > one could for example have a logitech g15 like display on the small screen > of the neo and full vm on the tft... If I can manage to push aside the feeling that people should just buy something like the Asus EEE PC rather than going this route... Why not have the neo screen act as the trackpad, ie backlight off then all you'd need to supply is a keyboard and 'big' screen... Andy / ScaredyCat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
Why not a laptop chassis with a tft in and an extra battery pack integrated and keyboard(combo usb/bt/wireless)(hell even a mouse of some sorts) and then just have a plugin slot for the neo to hook in(of course this would require a bit of hardware addon to the neo(a vga/dvi/other) port but it could work out nicely... why not indeed? get on with it! build one! make a prototype! And have both displays be able to work at the same time(randr1.2) so that one could for example have a logitech g15 like display on the small screen of the neo and full vm on the tft... or even just have the capability of plugging in a few extra neo's if you want the screen real-estate .. ;) ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
On 09:56:25 2007-11-17 Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I really like your idea. I also think that GTA02 will have enough > > power for a small notebook-replacement for a bit hacking, writing > > or something like this. > > Here's my 0.02 euro-cents... Why not a laptop chassis with a tft in and an extra battery pack integrated and keyboard(combo usb/bt/wireless)(hell even a mouse of some sorts) and then just have a plugin slot for the neo to hook in(of course this would require a bit of hardware addon to the neo(a vga/dvi/other) port but it could work out nicely... And have both displays be able to work at the same time(randr1.2) so that one could for example have a logitech g15 like display on the small screen of the neo and full vm on the tft... -- Andraž "ruskie" Levstik Source Mage GNU/Linux Games grimoire guru Geek/Hacker/Tinker Be sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth. Key id = F4C1F89C Key fingerprint = 6FF2 8F20 4C9D DB36 B5B6 F134 884D 72CC F4C1 F89C ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible
On Friday 16 November 2007 12:29, hank williams wrote: > On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the > > video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hope that > > google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold. > > > > -Will > > I do hope and expect android to be open. That said, lets be clear "not > open" != evil. Except in this case where Google have repeatedly claimed that Android is Opensource ie: !open != evil !really-open-when-you-said-it-was == evil Quite frankly Google can take their $10 Million bribe and ... well you can probably guess where I'm going to suggest they put it. Andy / ScaredyCat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible
I do hope and expect android to be open. That said, lets be clear "not open" != evil. You got that backwards, buddy. "Not open" -> evil holds to a much larger extent than the inversion (for you information, that would be "open" -> not evil). You know whats even more evil than "open" or "not open"? The answer: Vapor. Lets stop talking about Android until someone actually has it running and doing something, okay? Because as of today its just a press release and a couple fancy net-generation videos and little else. Try to stay focused on the hardware in front of you, and in this group as of today, that is the neo1973, running OpenMoko. Which, btw, has some very lovely totally open 100% free API's for all productive developers to be exploiting .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
I really like your idea. I also think that GTA02 will have enough power for a small notebook-replacement for a bit hacking, writing or something like this. Up until my catastrophic u-boot and debug board failure (grr..) I had been using my GTA01 for the last couple of weeks just fine as a really, really nice little python development machine .. I got an Apple Wireless Keyboard hooked up with it over bluetooth, and the combination of a fine little keyboard wirelessly connected to the GTA01 is indeed a very nice laptop replacement. With a little bit of Terminal-font love, a well-integrated VNC client, and perhaps some stability in the windowing department, for sure the GTA01 - and thus the GTA02 - could function very nicely as a laptop replacement. I really look forward to that eventuality, once I get a working and stable GTA01 rig up and running again .. Count me in for a 6-pack of GTA02's, while we're at it. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible
hank williams: > On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the > > video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hope that > > google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold. > > > > -Will > > I do hope and expect android to be open. That said, lets be clear "not > open" != evil. You got that backwards, buddy. "Not open" -> evil holds to a much larger extent than the inversion (for you information, that would be "open" -> not evil). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
