Re: Closing apps
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> On Nov 18, 2007 4:20 PM, Olaf Lüke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Actually, yes you do ;-). Since the second version of the GUI you can
>> close applications with pressing the power button shortly. If you press
> IMO that's a very strange, and very unintuitive way to close
> applications.
It may be unintuitive as long as you don't know about it, but once you
know, it's pretty handy for operating the device one-handed -- at
least for the right handers. Also, note the semantic adjacence between
closing an application ("turning off the power of this application")
and closing the whole operating system.
So, to me it sounds pretty intuitive.
> If the user is expected to close the app when he's
> finished with it, there needs to be an obvious close button on the
> GUI.
Which imposes a space problem. We already are very tight on space in
the top panel.
> Then the apps all need good "session management" - remembering the
> exact state of their views when they are closed, and restoring that
> state when they are re-opened.
Yeah, I added this to the wiki since I worked on the initial
specification. Alas, I had no chance to implement this as part
of the framework yet..
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Re: can make a call now, can even build the image... woot!
Shawn Rutledge wrote: > Maybe this is old news but it's the first time I've ever been able to > get bitbake to complete successfully and end up with complete working > images for the kernel and rootfs. The build machine is a dual-core > Athlon 64, which was also a challenge... some bugs must have gotten > fixed. I flashed the phone with my own image that I just built, and > was able to make calls too! Repeatedly! Both directions! With > reasonable audio settings! With a TMobile SIM! (but we have the 1900 > MHz band in Phoenix, I think.) > So I guess Harald must have made some progress on gsmd before leaving. To put honor where it belongs, while he did the roots, it was actually the taiwanese gsmd team plus good patches from the community that was responsible for the recent improvements. -- - Michael Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Hello, > On Nov 16, 2007 11:55 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Out of interest: how does one 'uncompress' a *.jffs file? >> >> >> mount it, copy the contents out. > I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 (i386). > What do I need in addition to the loop module: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup -v /dev/loop0 > /home/tingo/work/openmoko/qtopia-rootfs.2-10020615.jffs2 > /home/tingo/work/openmoko/qtopia-rootfs.2-10020615.jffs2: No such file > or directory > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup /dev/loop0 > loop: can't get info on device /dev/loop0: No such device or address > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# lsmod | grep loop > loop 19076 0 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# The loopback won't help you. You need to use mtdram to mimick an mtd device in your RAM, then dd the contents into an mtdblock and mount it. -- - Michael Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: list server reset
Hello, I'll look into this. Michael Marc Bantle wrote: > Hi there, > > looks like somebody restored a 2 moth old backup on lists.openmoko.org: > All my recent subscriptions are gone and emails from > community@lists.openmoko.org come in on an email address I removed 2 > month ago. > > Could somebody please explain, whats going on? Do I need to redo all the > changes? > > Cheers, Marc > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
list server reset
Hi there, looks like somebody restored a 2 moth old backup on lists.openmoko.org: All my recent subscriptions are gone and emails from community@lists.openmoko.org come in on an email address I removed 2 month ago. Could somebody please explain, whats going on? Do I need to redo all the changes? Cheers, Marc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fwd: You have been unsubscribed from the community mailing list]
This is also true for me as well. Every now and then, I get a splatter of emails from this mailing list, luckily I only get about 10-15 emails at a time and I can deal with that. The unsubscription is broken! Can someone fix this up? On Nov 22, 2007 4:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although I already received notification that I am unsubscribed days ago, > I still receive mail from OpenMoko. > Can someone please remove me from the list as unsubscription seemingly > does not work > > > Original Message Subject: You have been unsubscribed > from the community mailing list Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:57:48 +0100 From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App (why openmoko-apps not on gmane?)
Mike Montour skrev: > Lars Hallberg wrote: > >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/2007-November/000279.html >> Is there a reason this list and others like the owner list is *not* >> available on gmane? Would be far easier to follow. > > It is there - gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.apps (as are all of the > others). That's where I read the lists - I'm only directly subscribed to > "announce" and "device-owners". Sorry... didn't hit the update button *banging head to wall*. Thanks /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App (why openmoko-apps not on gmane?)
On Wednesday 21 November 2007 14:40, Lars Hallberg wrote: > Is there a reason this list and others like the owner list is *not* > available on gmane? Would be far easier to follow. Help yourself: http://gmane.org/add.php AVee -- All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: You have been unsubscribed from the community mailing list]
Although I already received notification that I am unsubscribed days ago, I still receive mail from OpenMoko. Can someone please remove me from the list as unsubscription seemingly does not work Original Message Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the community mailing list Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:57:48 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
Daniel Robinson wrote: > Would someone take me off this goddamn list, again? > > I was subscribed to it once, and unsubbed, but I keep showing up on it. > > What the hell is going on? You know, that's pretty strong language. There are worse things in the world than accidentally getting back on a mailing list once. You could have all your belongings seized by a tyrannical government (as happened recently in Indiana, see http://www.fff.org/comment/com0711j.asp). Or you could have your country invaded by a global bully on false pretenses (see Iraq, invasion of). Or worse, your OpenMoko could stop working. Let's try to keep things in perspective. Maybe you could just unsubscribe yourself once more using what appears at the bottom of every message: __ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community And, if the problem continues, you could send a polite message to the list administrator. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
On Wednesday 21 November 2007 18:13:15 Lorn Potter wrote: > > First Qtopia is not open enough, > > I guess you didn't read that Qtopia Phone is completely GPL, lock, > stock and barrel. I guess you didn't read AVee's mail very closely. Seems to me that he was mocking that complaint, not making it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App (why openmoko-apps not on gmane?)
Lars Hallberg wrote: >> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/2007-November/000279.html > > Is there a reason this list and others like the owner list is *not* > available on gmane? Would be far easier to follow. It is there - gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.apps (as are all of the others). That's where I read the lists - I'm only directly subscribed to "announce" and "device-owners". ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
AVee wrote: > On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54, Marcelo Lira wrote: Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. >> So, this is a problem, but it is ok to use free software to help the growth >> of a company that profits in selling licenses for closed source software? >> Trolltech GPL's most of the code it develops, which guarantees that software will remain free ad infinitum. So ya, equating the copyright assignment for both FSF and Trolltech is the same. >> Yes, GPL guarantees that, but a library in GPL is not that useful for a >> developer that sometimes have to do closed source apps. > > First Qtopia is not open enough, I guess you didn't read that Qtopia Phone is completely GPL, lock, stock and barrel. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
Would someone take me off this goddamn list, again? I was subscribed to it once, and unsubbed, but I keep showing up on it. What the hell is going on? On 11/21/07, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thomas Wood wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 09:52 -0600, Tim Shannon wrote: > >> I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though > >> originally there was going to be one app that handled all > >> communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen > >> anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework. > > > > Check applications/openmoko-messages2 > > > > We are hoping that something will be ready for the next snapshot, but it > > will only be a simple SMS application to send and receive messages. > > That's a great step, thanks! > > Obviously later it can grow to do email... > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 02:24 +, Justyn Butler wrote: > Is there any kind of app for sending and receiving SMS (text) messages > yet? Or does it still have to be done using AT commands as the wiki > suggests? You'll be please to know we had our first success at sending SMS from openmoko-messages today. It can also read received messages. Please see my reply from yesterday for more information. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -
On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54, Marcelo Lira wrote: > >>Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. > > So, this is a problem, but it is ok to use free software to help the growth > of a company that profits in selling licenses for closed source software? > > >>Trolltech GPL's most of the code it develops, which guarantees that > >>software will remain free ad infinitum. So ya, equating the copyright > >>assignment for both FSF and Trolltech is the same. > > Yes, GPL guarantees that, but a library in GPL is not that useful for a > developer that sometimes have to do closed source apps. First Qtopia is not open enough, and now they should allow everybody else to be totally closed source. What is this, you should be allowed to develop commercial closed source software, but Trolltech is not allowed to try to make money of Qtopia? Sorry, but you just can't have the cake, and eat it as well. > And please don't > start with the "I will not help anyone developing closed source" discourse, > since a number of free projects contributors have to do this, support > themselves with the money earned so they can continue contributing. Indeed > to have a full time open source programming job is a dream for most people > I know. > Even FSF releases its libraries in LGPL, well, they created it. For this > there will be no practical possibility of community fork for Qt or Qtopia, > and weakening the force of the community in the decisions. Why is that? You can perfectly create you own fork of Qtopia, I see how it may not be very usefull and wothwhile, but nothing else is stopping you. > I really believe > that you at Trolltech are not willing to abuse your position, but what if > Qtopia is the ubiquitous software platform to develop upon, so that there > is no thinkable alternative? What if all you good guys, that I could trust, > get out of Trolltech, and managers that could not get a job at Microsoft > replace you, and change the way you work with the developers? Can you > guarantee that this will never happen? > I doubt. I pretty sure they cannot guarantee that, but when that happens you've reached the point where it becomes worthwhile to start a fork of Qtopia. And although there is no guarantee, the fact that this option will allways be open will go a long way in preventing Trolltech from doing nasty things, because the community will just pick up the code and create a fork. > And a copyright assignment with FSF, a non-profit organization, and with > Trolltech, a regular company, is not the same. We cannot let the licenses > think for ourselves. So, you do trust the FSF to be nice until eternity? Frankly, that seems pretty naive to me. At less Trolltech has a commercial interest in being nice and not pissing of there customers, the FSF has no such interests and its actions will just be defined by however is going to be running that club in the future. > Surely that a lot of (obviously for profit) companies back the GTK+, Hildon > and other LGPL/other-permissive-license libraries and tools, but the > sinergy of sometimes conflicting interests is a good thing, and helps to > avoid the possibility of an unilateral control that benefits one part more > than the others. All true, but all of that does nothing to promote open source. It just lowers the costs of the closed source offerings of these companies. Good for them, but I couldn't care less. Not that this is a bad thing, it helps paying my bills as well. But when Trolltech basically says; "If your are makeing money of our work we want a slice of the pie" thats very reasonable to me. When others want to allow companies to make big money of there code thats fine too, but there is no moral obligation for anyone to do so. > Lorn, I don't want to offend you and the company you work and surely love, > and the products that are technically great, I just don't think that this > model is strategically good for all projects. Suggest a better model, when it takes into account the fact that Trolltech should be able to pay salaries to its developers it may just be considered. Until there is a better idea it seems to me that this model does more for open source than the IBM 'take a lot, give a bit back' or the Google 'Grab what you can get' model. AVee -- A man with one watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never quite sure. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
Thomas Wood wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 09:52 -0600, Tim Shannon wrote: >> I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though >> originally there was going to be one app that handled all >> communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen >> anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework. > > Check applications/openmoko-messages2 > > We are hoping that something will be ready for the next snapshot, but it > will only be a simple SMS application to send and receive messages. That's a great step, thanks! Obviously later it can grow to do email... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
Is there any kind of app for sending and receiving SMS (text) messages yet? Or does it still have to be done using AT commands as the wiki suggests? On 20/11/2007, Enno Gottox Boland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thought tinymail would do this job. > > 2007/11/20, flexd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Uhm, I haven't heard anything about anyone making one, but i was > > thinking of playing around with sms/email stuff in python when i get my > > neo when the gta02 is out. > > > > Or if anyone else are doing anything in python, i would like to help. > > > > -Kristoffer > > > > Tim Shannon skrev: > > > I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though > > > originally there was going to be one app that handled all > > > communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen > > > anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework. > > > > > > Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be > > > around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale? > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > ___ > > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > -- > http://www.gnuffy.org - Real Community Distro > http://www.gnuffy.org/index.php/GnuEm - Gnuffy on Ipaq (Codename Peggy) > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App (why openmoko-apps not on gmane?)
Evgeny Ginzburg skrev: > Tim Shannon wrote: >> I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though >> originally there was going to be one app that handled all >> communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen >> anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework. >> >> Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be >> around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale? >> >> thanks, > There is "mockup" made by Milko Krachounov implementing GUI only for > mail and it'll posiibly to expand it. > Take a look at: > http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/2007-November/000279.html Is there a reason this list and others like the owner list is *not* available on gmane? Would be far easier to follow. /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
palm apps on linux?
I've been wondering about this: Palm apps on linux, and of course, on OpenMoko in particular. I now see it's been done for the Nokia N- tablets : http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/Anyway to port something like this over? Is this, or a similar vm already being done? It would give a wealth of apps that people are used to, and tie in with a long standing community that is seemingly going to be going away unless Palm has a rabbit up its sleeve. Matthew Naftzger www.worksofman.com "A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth"-Albert Einstein ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
Tim Shannon wrote: > I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though > originally there was going to be one app that handled all > communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen > anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework. > > Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be > around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale? > > thanks, There is "mockup" made by Milko Krachounov implementing GUI only for mail and it'll posiibly to expand it. Take a look at: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/2007-November/000279.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 09:52 -0600, Tim Shannon wrote: > I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though > originally there was going to be one app that handled all > communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen > anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework. Check applications/openmoko-messages2 We are hoping that something will be ready for the next snapshot, but it will only be a simple SMS application to send and receive messages. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement
On Tue Nov 20 09:52:07 CET 2007 Attila Csipa plists at prometheus.org.yu wrote: >On Monday 19 November 2007 19:01:14 Mark wrote: >> My interest in the Neo from the the beginning has been the possibility >> of running Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice on it. All I would need > >Are you really-really sure you want to run those exact applications on an >embedded device with 128MB RAM and <=400MHz embedded CPU ? From your usage >pattern an eeepc does make more sense than the Neo (although it seems less >and less appealing here as the prices have ballooned from 200$ to well over >300E) Yes, I'm absolutely certain of that. I don't plan on doing heavy-duty computing, but I do need to be able to open existing files and do light editing, as well as use full versions of Firefox and Thunderbird so I can use my existing plugins and have full compatibility with Web pages. Adblock and NoScript would help somewhat with the load on Web pages. I realize that it's going to run these apps much slower than a desktop (but my main machine right now is a 1 GHz VIA EPIA M1 Mini-ITX running kubuntu, so I'm not used to lightning speed anyway), but if it works at all I'll be happy. The whole point is to replace both my Visor and my Laptop. The Visor is on its last legs, and I'm tired of lugging around a big, heavy laptop with all its accessories. The thing that attracts me to the Neo is that there are many times when I absolutely cannot lug around something even the size of the Eee PC, but would really benefit from having my files handy and accessible, not to mention the Internet. My laptop is 7 years old and the backlight recently died, so I have to find a way to replace it anyway. I originally bought it as a desktop replacement, but it was very much overkill since I never got completely away from my desktop, and the applications I used away from home were only the ones I describe here: word processing, email and Web. I did occasionally use GPS and mapping software for navigation, which would definitely be a plus, but as I have a Garmin StreetPilot that's not critical. That said, I am very interesting in the possibilities for the Neo with Geocaching and OSM. In the same vein, my existing cellphone is a very basic phone. I'm not the least bit interested in text messaging (although the phone is capable) or any of the other fluff that you can't buy a phone without these days. I'll never text message any more than I ever got caught up in IRC or IM. Voice is much quicker and more efficient. The one "killer app" the Neo needs with respect to phone function is voice recognition for hands-free dialing. My current phone doesn't even have that, though my previous one did. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
