Re: SMS is required
I did not know they charge you extra for SMS in the US, since SMS is the data transfers that happens between pressing the 'call' button and the connection to the other phone (actually SMS was a hack found out by Nokia people back in the '90's) But over here in the Netherlands we have a fair-use policy on almost any mobile thing: unlimited GPRS: one provider states: max 3x the average of all other users, another one: after 50MB of traffic we will call you to stop using GPRS (this is per month) unlimited SMS: 1000 SMS messages. That's why we need both over here, so you can split your data usage. 0.10 to send and $0.01 to receive. The point is, SMS costs them next to nothing - it's so little data. A voice call is much more data-intensive and requires real-time performance. Yet they give us hundreds of minutes of voice usage (which my wife and I never use even half of) for one price and then charge extra for tiny little SMS packets. If you are a teenager sending dozens of SMS's per day it adds up. And unlimited GPRS (aka TZones) is $5.95, so with the Neo (someday) I'd rather use jabber. There could be a jabber server which acts as an SMS gateway, in case you try to send a message to someone who's not connected to jabber. Then at least you don't pay the fee to send the message, and the recipient phone doesn't pay to receive either as long as it is also connected. But I wonder how they would react if some phones started staying connected to GPRS all the time (but not necessarily using much bandwidth). I remember reading once that somebody had implemented TCP over SMS, in case you have the opposite problem. :-) (unlimited SMS and expensive GPRS) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SMS is required
I did not know they charge you extra for SMS in the US, since SMS is the data transfers that happens between pressing the 'call' button and the connection to the other phone (actually SMS was a hack found out by Nokia people back in the '90's) It was part of the GSM standard right from the beginning. The first SMS was transmitted by Vodafone in UK in 1992. And has its roots in the ISDN D-channel protocol as well as Packet Radio from the 80ies. This all finally goes back to IBM SDLC and the Internet UDP protocols from the 70ies. It was just moved from a wired to a wireless environment. So much to innovations :-) Nikolaus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAMA - Map Application intended for OpenMoko
Hello András. Schmidt András pisze: I am developing a GPL map viewing application. Project home page is: http://yamamap.wiki.sourceforge.net/ It has three main versions: * Java-Swing for desktop * C#-Windows.Forms for .Net CF, Windows desktop and Linux desktop * C#-GTK# for OpenMoko (and Linux desktop) I'd be happy to test it on Neo/OM. Sadly no AFAIK no support for Java and C# yet. Is somebody planning to let out Java on OpenMoko? Best regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAMA - Map Application intended for OpenMoko
On Thursday 06 December 2007, Bartlomiej Zdanowski [Zdanek] wrote: Is somebody planning to let out Java on OpenMoko? https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
glibc-intermediate error
Hi, I get a glibc-intermediate error when building openmoko-devel-image. Any idea why I get that error? /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.18 assertion fail /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.18-r1/binutils-2.18/bfd/elf32-arm.c:4255 | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/build-arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libc_pic.os: In function `__libc_cleanup_routine': | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/dirent/../nptl/sysdeps/pthread/bits/libc-lock.h:415: dangerous relocation: unable to find ARM glue '___Unwind_Resume_from_arm' for '_Unwind_Resume' | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.18 assertion fail /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.18-r1/binutils-2.18/bfd/elf32-arm.c:4255 | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/dirent/../nptl/sysdeps/pthread/bits/libc-lock.h:415: dangerous relocation: unable to find ARM glue '___Unwind_Resume_from_arm' for '_Unwind_Resume' | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.18 assertion fail /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.18-r1/binutils-2.18/bfd/elf32-arm.c:4255 | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/build-arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libc_pic.os: In function `__libc_cleanup_routine': | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/misc/../nptl/sysdeps/pthread/bits/libc-lock.h:415: dangerous relocation: unable to find ARM glue '___Unwind_Resume_from_arm' for '_Unwind_Resume' | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.18 assertion fail /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.18-r1/binutils-2.18/bfd/elf32-arm.c:4255 | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/misc/../nptl/sysdeps/pthread/bits/libc-lock.h:415: dangerous relocation: unable to find ARM glue '___Unwind_Resume_from_arm' for '_Unwind_Resume' | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.18 assertion fail /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.18-r1/binutils-2.18/bfd/elf32-arm.c:4255 | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/misc/../nptl/sysdeps/pthread/bits/libc-lock.h:415: dangerous relocation: unable to find ARM glue '___Unwind_Resume_from_arm' for '_Unwind_Resume' | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.18 assertion fail /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.18-r1/binutils-2.18/bfd/elf32-arm.c:4255 | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/misc/../nptl/sysdeps/pthread/bits/libc-lock.h:415: dangerous relocation: unable to find ARM glue '___Unwind_Resume_from_arm' for '_Unwind_Resume' | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: BFD (GNU Binutils) 2.18 assertion fail /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/binutils-cross-2.18-r1/binutils-2.18/bfd/elf32-arm.c:4255 | /home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/glibc-2.5/misc/../nptl/sysdeps/pthread/bits/libc-lock.h:415: dangerous relocation: unable to find ARM glue '___Unwind_Resume_from_arm' for '_Unwind_Resume' | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | make[2]: *** [/home/mohamed/Desktop/moko_2007_11/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glibc-intermediate-2.5-r8/build-arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libc.so] Error 1 | make[2]: Leaving directory
Re: SMS is required + fix for battery drained isse (was: 2007.11 snapshot available)
On Dec 5, 2007 2:25 AM, Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest snapshot includes the first alpha version of the Messages application which allows you to send and receive SMS messages. That's good news! I can confirm that GTA02 fixes this - you do not even need a battery in the device to use it if the USB cable is connected. Also good news! I've heard that the Nokia DT-14 charges the Neo battery about 75%, which should be enough to revive them. Maybe one of these would also work? http://cgi.ebay.com/BL-4C-Desktop-Battery-Charger-Nokia-6300-6101-6131-6136_W0QQitemZ320185839242QQihZ011QQcategoryZ20365QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAMA - Map Application intended for OpenMoko
Hey!!! this looks very interesting!!!, in spite of I have a good score in C practices , I were unable to afford a c development , and nor even understand very well what others are doing in their code. But java is easier(for me, is a totally subjective opinion olny formed for my skills and knowledge, no flames please) and I think a really working open java machine running on a ultra portable machine with acces to a gps, a wifi, gprs, accelerometers I'm salivating as Hommer in front of a beer fountain. I'm waiting for the v2 to spend those amount of money (yes is cheaper than any other with this characteristics even cheaper than more with a lot less characteristis, but for me stills a money effort :) ) and have it as substitute of my phone/mp3/Jornada 680 handheld(runnig Jlime, I have done my OS practice with this little one) and even with a keyboard as a laptop replacement some times. But now I think I even can develop apps on(and for) it. Any one have experience in Jlimo , in openmoko? , even an emulated one?... I will try to setup an Virutal neo on my machine to try it , when I finish the exams on January. Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Thursday 06 December 2007, Bartlomiej Zdanowski [Zdanek] wrote: Is somebody planning to let out Java on OpenMoko? https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community - ¿Chef por primera vez? - Sé un mejor Cocinillas. Entra en Yahoo! Respuestas. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
On 07/12/2007, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I'd like it to do this automatically when plug the usb cable in, and haven't been able to find a way to get that to happen. I didn't have any luck with either auto usb0 allow-hotplug usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces In both cases, I still need to start up the terminal and do an ifup usb0... this is kind of going off at a tangent, but are there any decent usb network interfaces with linux drivers included in OM? personally, i would rather connect my neo direct to the router in my house than have to boot a computer as well, whenever i want to update packages. or are there other reasons to make this impractical? yes, i realise there's a power issue, but there are many powered USB hubs out there. and power over ethernet is also a solution. ditto for charging the neo seems a whole lot easier way of connecting as well cross-posted to community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2007.11 snapshot available
Jon Phillips wrote: Priorities for mass usage: 1. phone working And this means stable connection to network and sms-features in my eyes. 2. acceptable battery life (1 full day without charge) This would probably mean stable hibernation. This, by the way, works excellent (for me) when neod locks the phone by it self, and sometimes not so great when I choose it in the neod menu directly. Am I wrong? I think you (almost) nailed it :) And yes, I think these should be top-priority at OpenMoko (and everyone else who have spare time). Esben ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
Robin Paulson wrote: this is kind of going off at a tangent, but are there any decent usb network interfaces with linux drivers included in OM? personally, i would rather connect my neo direct to the router in my house than have to boot a computer as well, whenever i want to update packages. or are there other reasons to make this impractical? If your router has a USB host port, and is listed as supported on toh.openwrt.org, or on nslu2-linux.org (look under SlugOS or Optware), then you can run the neo as a client of the router directly through USB. No need for another dongle, and no power issue, and the neo charges while it's connected to. -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
