Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
this is kind of going off at a tangent, but are there any decent usb network interfaces with linux drivers included in OM? personally, i would rather connect my neo direct to the router in my house than have to boot a computer as well, whenever i want to update packages. or are there other reasons to make this impractical? The question I have about this is how do we connect USB devices to the neo? Isn't it so that the USB Host port is only on the debug board? If so, thats mighty fidgety to plug in and get set up with a USB hub and so .. I must confess I have cursed at the ribbon cable and its feeble, wimpy, connectors more than a few times since I got my neo .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Please help me with the openmoko-devel-image build issue
(Note: This would be more on topic on [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Chaohong Xie wrote: Hi all, I'm not sure whether these are the proper mail loops to ask about build problems. If not, please tell me one. Anyway, when try to build the openmoko-devel-image (openmoko 2007.2 version) according to Getting OpenMoko working on host with Xoo and Building OpenMoko using the MokoMakefile , I encountered the following problem with uboot build (the error message is attached at the end). While, it can pass the build process if the uboot-openmoko flag is deleted from the Makefile but it can boot up the openmoko finally in the following steps. BTW: the content of my local.conf is: - MACHINE = x86 DISTRO = openmoko BUILD_ARCH = i686 INHERIT += rm_work TARGET_FPU = - I don't think it is possible to build u-boot for x86. -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New To the list
That's for the developer version of GTA02, not the public release flexd wrote: I believe it's called a Neo1973, not Treo. (Unless there's some other product out there). It's been said December, but i'm guessing past new years probably, because of delays and such :) -Kristoffer herve couvelard wrote: Hello, I'am new to the list and would like to say hello. We plan to use treo1973 in a global solution computer AllInOne Touch screen (linux of course) + Nokia N810 + Treo1973. (all with wifi - treo1973 public version is said to be wifi equiped) (and perhaps gp2X F200) We would tailored version of the pack for specified activities with some soft to 'glue' all. Is there a release date for the public version of the phone ? hervé ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
On Friday 07 December 2007, Jay Vaughan wrote: this is kind of going off at a tangent, but are there any decent usb network interfaces with linux drivers included in OM? personally, i would rather connect my neo direct to the router in my house than have to boot a computer as well, whenever i want to update packages. or are there other reasons to make this impractical? The question I have about this is how do we connect USB devices to the neo? Isn't it so that the USB Host port is only on the debug board? If so, thats mighty fidgety to plug in and get set up with a USB hub and so .. I must confess I have cursed at the ribbon cable and its feeble, wimpy, connectors more than a few times since I got my neo .. The USB connector on the Neo can be switched from client to host mode, but last I heard (some time ago now) the code to do the switching hadn't been implemented. You also need the host mode cable which IIRC only comes with the developers' version, or you can make one yourself. Then you either need self-powered devices, a self-powered hub or a cable mod to provide the 5V because the GTA01 can't provide the power for devices. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAMA - Map Application intended for OpenMoko
Hi! I have missed that you replied my mail on the community list instead of the developer list. So now I reply here as well. YAMA is designed to run on different platforms. It is already compiled for: * Java Swing (any Swing capable desktop) * .Net Gtk# (planned for OpenMoko) * .Net Windows Forms (Linux and Windows desktop) * .Net CF Windows Forms (Windows Mobile PDA-s) You can already download the Java and .Net Gtk version bundled with a small piece of openstreetmap.org map from here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=206985 (choose yama-20071206.tar.gz). They work on Linux with Java and Mono runtime installed. They should also work on OpenMoko with the Mono packages. If you try it, please let me know how it works on your machine. I have created a wiki page that discusses platforms of Yama: http://yamamap.wiki.sourceforge.net/concept-platforms Up to now I thought that the Mono version will work on the phone with this Mono port: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-October/001583.html Although today I have read on the community list that there is effort to port Java to OpenMoko: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-December/012100.html So the question is still open. My opinion is that it should use Gtk (no Swing) on the phone. (And the 3D hardware later. Anyone who would like to contribute?) Andrew Bartlomiej Zdanowski [Zdanek] wrote: Hello András. Schmidt András pisze: I am developing a GPL map viewing application. Project home page is: http://yamamap.wiki.sourceforge.net/ It has three main versions: * Java-Swing for desktop * C#-Windows.Forms for .Net CF, Windows desktop and Linux desktop * C#-GTK# for OpenMoko (and Linux desktop) I'd be happy to test it on Neo/OM. Sadly no AFAIK no support for Java and C# yet. Is somebody planning to let out Java on OpenMoko? Best regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New To the list
Ben Wilson skrev: That's for the developer version of GTA02, not the public release What I understand it is the public release hardware, but it will be sold to developers until the software is ready for prime time. After that they hopefully succeed in making a 850Mhz version and then start design next killer handset (quad band? 3G? GB of storage? usb2? cant wait to know about it!). /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New To the list
Hello, I'am new to the list and would like to say hello. We plan to use treo1973 in a global solution computer AllInOne Touch screen (linux of course) + Nokia N810 + Treo1973. (all with wifi - treo1973 public version is said to be wifi equiped) (and perhaps gp2X F200) We would tailored version of the pack for specified activities with some soft to 'glue' all. Is there a release date for the public version of the phone ? hervé ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New To the list
Richard Bennett wrote: On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:18:15 +0100, flexd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe it's called a Neo1973, not Treo. oops, yes, it is common error i make : neo1973 is the name. Thanks all for the answer. i will wait for the new hardware revision, because i can flash firmware, (but i would need the enhance pack right ?), can make user apps, but can't do soldering on the phone (hands full of big fingers). I'll have to hack with the emulator. ;-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New To the list
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:18:15 +0100, flexd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe it's called a Neo1973, not Treo. Maybe they changed the name to accent the tri-band character of the phone ;o) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
Jay Vaughan writes: The question I have about this is how do we connect USB devices to the neo? Isn't it so that the USB Host port is only on the debug board? If so, thats mighty fidgety to plug in and get set up with a USB hub and so .. I must confess I have cursed at the ribbon cable and its feeble, wimpy, connectors more than a few times since I got my neo .. No, the USB connector on the NEO is a mini-AB. That means you can connect either type of cable to it, and hardware-wise it can be either host or device. I'm not sure whether the host driver is working yet, though. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
The USB connector on the Neo can be switched from client to host mode, but last I heard (some time ago now) the code to do the switching hadn't been implemented. Thats very interesting - if anyone has any technical details on how this works I'd like to hear about it because there are USB devices (MIDI interface) I'd very much like to get working with my neo if I can .. You also need the host mode cable which IIRC only comes with the developers' version, or you can make one yourself. Then you either need self-powered devices, a self-powered hub or a cable mod to provide the 5V because the GTA01 can't provide the power for devices. Okay, I have two advanced developers kits (with boards), but I don't have any special cable .. or do I? How does it work? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
On 12/7/07, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 07 December 2007, Jay Vaughan wrote: The USB connector on the Neo can be switched from client to host mode, but last I heard (some time ago now) the code to do the switching hadn't been implemented. Thats very interesting - if anyone has any technical details on how this works I'd like to hear about it because there are USB devices (MIDI interface) I'd very much like to get working with my neo if I can .. Just found this - looks like there's now a patch http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host You also need the host mode cable which IIRC only comes with the developers' version, or you can make one yourself. Then you either need self-powered devices, a self-powered hub or a cable mod to provide the 5V because the GTA01 can't provide the power for devices. Okay, I have two advanced developers kits (with boards), but I don't have any special cable .. or do I? How does it work? Sean's 'New Oceans' announcement on 27/06/2007 said the dev kit would include a USB host mode cable that wouldn't be included with the base model. This doesn't appear in the specs at openmoko.com though, so perhaps they never shipped them. See the link above for instructions on a DIY cable. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I looked for this when my advanced kit showed up, the response I got was that the host mode cable had been canceled: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-August/000219.html -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAMA - Map Application intended for OpenMoko
Hi, You can already download the Java and .Net Gtk version bundled with a small piece of openstreetmap.org map from here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=206985 (choose yama-20071206.tar.gz). They work on Linux with Java and Mono runtime installed. They should also work on OpenMoko with the Mono packages. If you try it, please let me know how it works on your machine. Up to now I thought that the Mono version will work on the phone with this Mono port: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-October/001583.html I just tried YAMA on my Neo with the 2007.11 snapshot and the aforementioned Mono packages. It worked like a charm! Keep up the good work, it looks very promising! Regards, David ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: need a compatible provider in central U.S.
Jason Joines wrote: I've been successfully avoiding owning a cell phone for many years but I can't avoid it any longer. I plan to buy the GTA02a5 version of the Neo1973 as soon as it comes out. For the moment I thought I would go ahead and get a plan and whatever freebie phone comes with it. Anyone know of decent carriers what will work with the Neo1973, I guess GSM, in north central Oklahoma in the U.S., particularly at longitude W97.1, latitude N36.1? I've been Googling and reading on the different network types to figure out what GSM is and what the alternatives are and if the Neo will use anything else but I'm mainly more confused than when I started. I am aware of the 850 MHz issue in North America so I hope that's not a show stopper for me. Jason Joines = If north central Oklahoma is as rural as it sounds, unfortunately your chances of being able to use the neo are pretty slim. A very high percentage of rural America uses the 850 band, whether it's tmobile or att/cingular. If the area is more city like, then you might be able to get away with using tmobile, as they predominantly use the 1900 band. I know there was a map posted a while back of what parts of the country use the 850 and what uses the 1900. See if you can find that. Good luck, Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAMA - Map Application intended for OpenMoko
I just wanted to mention Navit (navit.sf.net) It's a similar project but is GTK/C Based, we have it working with OpenStreetMaps, Garmin Maps, and Reiser Maps, it's coming pretty far along. Their's a bitbake file floating around, but you should be able to just use the recently released SDK to compile it for openmoko. -Will On Dec 7, 2007 12:16 PM, David Roetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You can already download the Java and .Net Gtk version bundled with a small piece of openstreetmap.org map from here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=206985 (choose yama-20071206.tar.gz). They work on Linux with Java and Mono runtime installed. They should also work on OpenMoko with the Mono packages. If you try it, please let me know how it works on your machine. Up to now I thought that the Mono version will work on the phone with this Mono port: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-October/001583.html I just tried YAMA on my Neo with the 2007.11 snapshot and the aforementioned Mono packages. It worked like a charm! Keep up the good work, it looks very promising! Regards, David ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
need a compatible provider in central U.S.
I've been successfully avoiding owning a cell phone for many years but I can't avoid it any longer. I plan to buy the GTA02a5 version of the Neo1973 as soon as it comes out. For the moment I thought I would go ahead and get a plan and whatever freebie phone comes with it. Anyone know of decent carriers what will work with the Neo1973, I guess GSM, in north central Oklahoma in the U.S., particularly at longitude W97.1, latitude N36.1? I've been Googling and reading on the different network types to figure out what GSM is and what the alternatives are and if the Neo will use anything else but I'm mainly more confused than when I started. I am aware of the 850 MHz issue in North America so I hope that's not a show stopper for me. Jason Joines = ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: need a compatible provider in central U.S.
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Jason Joines wrote: I've been successfully avoiding owning a cell phone for many years but I can't avoid it any longer. I plan to buy the GTA02a5 version of the Neo1973 as soon as it comes out. For the moment I thought I would go ahead and get a plan and whatever freebie phone comes with it. Anyone know of decent carriers what will work with the Neo1973, I guess GSM, in north central Oklahoma in the U.S., particularly at longitude W97.1, latitude N36.1? I've been Googling and reading on the different network types to figure out what GSM is and what the alternatives are and if the Neo will use anything else but I'm mainly more confused than when I started. I am aware of the 850 MHz issue in North America so I hope that's not a show stopper for me. Jason Joines = If north central Oklahoma is as rural as it sounds, unfortunately your chances of being able to use the neo are pretty slim. A very high percentage of rural America uses the 850 band, whether it's tmobile or att/cingular. If the area is more city like, then you might be able to get away with using tmobile, as they predominantly use the 1900 band. I know there was a map posted a while back of what parts of the country use the 850 and what uses the 1900. See if you can find that. Good luck, Richard It is pretty rural but the town I'm in has a population of about 50,000 and is halfway between two cities ( 60 miles to each ) with metro areas over 1,000,000. Maybe there's decent coverage here. I found some old news (2003) about tmobile expanding their 1900 GHz coverage in Oklahoma, Texas and further west. I contacted them to let 'em know I was using the FIC Neo1973 and would buy a plan if they had enough 1900 GHz coverage. They're supposed to answer in 24 hours or less so hopefully they'll have good coverage. Jason === ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Application idea: Bicycle computer
Hank Williams wrote: standard. Is gpio a wireless signaling standard? If so, I was not able to find it. It seems like a wired standard, and if it is a wired By GPIO I'm pretty sure he means signals that are friendly for interfacing to a CPU or other chips general purpose i/o lines. As someone else has mentioned recently on the list, I've started the mokosport project to come up with some code/discussion as to bicyclist/runner friendly uses for the moko. It hasn't really got off the ground yet, but all input is welcome! -E ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAMA - Map Application intended for OpenMoko
On Dec 7, 2007 9:21 PM, William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to mention Navit (navit.sf.net) It's a similar project but is GTK/C Based, we have it working with OpenStreetMaps, Garmin Maps, and Reiser Maps, it's coming pretty far along. Their's a bitbake file floating around, but you should be able to just use the recently released SDK to compile it for openmoko. There is a navit package from a recent cvs snapshot in my repository ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro#My_Package_Repository) Alessandro ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: need a compatible provider in central U.S.
We drove through Oklahoma a year ago, and we've had T-Mobile for several years. That's one place my wife's quad-band phone worked, while my tri-band (missing 850Mhz) didn't. In fact, I think that's where I figured out the frequency issue, found the info page on each phone to find out that my phone (a Motorola) didn't have 850. Seems to me my phone got a signal in Okla. City and Tulsa, but pretty much nowhere else in the state... 20 miles out of Tulsa I had no signal. Cheers, John Jason Joines wrote: It is pretty rural but the town I'm in has a population of about 50,000 and is halfway between two cities ( 60 miles to each ) with metro areas over 1,000,000. Maybe there's decent coverage here. I found some old news (2003) about tmobile expanding their 1900 GHz coverage in Oklahoma, Texas and further west. I contacted them to let 'em know I was using the FIC Neo1973 and would buy a plan if they had enough 1900 GHz coverage. They're supposed to answer in 24 hours or less so hopefully they'll have good coverage. -- John Locke Open Source Solutions for Small Business Problems published by Charles River Media, June 2004 http://www.freelock.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
On Friday 07 December 2007, Jay Vaughan wrote: The USB connector on the Neo can be switched from client to host mode, but last I heard (some time ago now) the code to do the switching hadn't been implemented. Thats very interesting - if anyone has any technical details on how this works I'd like to hear about it because there are USB devices (MIDI interface) I'd very much like to get working with my neo if I can .. Just found this - looks like there's now a patch http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host You also need the host mode cable which IIRC only comes with the developers' version, or you can make one yourself. Then you either need self-powered devices, a self-powered hub or a cable mod to provide the 5V because the GTA01 can't provide the power for devices. Okay, I have two advanced developers kits (with boards), but I don't have any special cable .. or do I? How does it work? Sean's 'New Oceans' announcement on 27/06/2007 said the dev kit would include a USB host mode cable that wouldn't be included with the base model. This doesn't appear in the specs at openmoko.com though, so perhaps they never shipped them. See the link above for instructions on a DIY cable. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New To the list
On Friday 07 December 2007, herve couvelard wrote: Hello, I'am new to the list and would like to say hello. We plan to use treo1973 in a global solution computer AllInOne Touch screen (linux of course) + Nokia N810 + Treo1973. (all with wifi - treo1973 public version is said to be wifi equiped) (and perhaps gp2X F200) We would tailored version of the pack for specified activities with some soft to 'glue' all. Is there a release date for the public version of the phone ? When it's ready ;-) It may also depend on your definition of public version. Last news (~1week ago?) was that another hardware revision is needed for GTA02. There is a known hardware problem with battery status monitoring, and the WiFi hardware has yet to be fully tested because the driver isn't complete. The new rev will then need a sample run for testing, and _if_ all goes well they can do a production run. That probably pushes the earliest delivery date to February sometime, but that's pure speculation. The software side seems to be improving all the time, so it might even be suitable for a non-developer by then. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New To the list
Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 07 December 2007, herve couvelard wrote: Hello, I'am new to the list and would like to say hello. We plan to use treo1973 in a global solution computer AllInOne Touch screen (linux of course) + Nokia N810 + Treo1973. (all with wifi - treo1973 public version is said to be wifi equiped) (and perhaps gp2X F200) We would tailored version of the pack for specified activities with some soft to 'glue' all. Is there a release date for the public version of the phone ? When it's ready ;-) It may also depend on your definition of public version. Last news (~1week ago?) was that another hardware revision is needed for GTA02. There is a known hardware problem with battery status monitoring, and the WiFi hardware has yet to be fully tested because the driver isn't complete. The new rev will then need a sample run for testing, and _if_ all goes well they can do a production run. That probably pushes the earliest delivery date to February sometime, but that's pure speculation. The software side seems to be improving all the time, so it might even be suitable for a non-developer by then. Thanks Al, You gave a perfect answer. To make this official: It may also depend on your definition of public version. The definitions we use are: Developer ready hardware: Hardware is still under development and can be used as a platform for developers to prototype and test, but not all hardware components may work. This was GTA01. Consumer ready hardware: The hardware is solid and stable, and all hardware components work. The software may not be ready for consumers, but the consumer ready software can be installed on this hardware when the software is released. Users should be technically highly competent. This is GTA02 that we are working on now. Consumer ready software: Software includes all features and applications one would expect to see on a smart phone. A non-technical person should be able to use the basic applications without reading the manual. Hardware is the same GTA02 as above. That probably pushes the earliest delivery date to February sometime, but that's pure speculation. The official OpenMoko policy is to tell you(*) what we're doing and what remains to be done, but never to predict when it will be finished. Unofficially, the beginning of the year sounds about right, based on where things stand right now. (*) We try to tell you as much as possible, and we all wish it could be more. We're still learning how to do this. Michael Shiloh OpenMoko ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
