Glad to be here.

2008-01-12 Thread Aaron Cordova 
Hello, I recently received my neo in the mail. I was attempting to get 
OE installed but seems like some of the mirrors for mac ports is down. I 
am using a Mac with OS 10.5. Once the mirrors come back up getting the 
rest of the software shouldn't be too much of a problem.


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Re: Power Management on Neo1973

2008-01-12 Thread Shawn Rutledge 
Now it's about 14 hours later and I'm seeing the same kind of numbers
from /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgcur:
800-1700.  I guess that means the battery is still not fully charged.

OK I'll reboot with the current probe installed and take some more measurements:

Initial poweron current is 280-290 mA, while the kernel messages are
scrolling by.  Then it goes up to 300-380 during the splash screen
period.  Near the end of the boot process it's 420 mA.  It didn't
finish booting because I need to do it through the boot menu, so I
power off.  It's now drawing 40mA while being turned off!  Disconnect
the battery, reconnect, and it's back to negligible current (0.12 mA
and falling) but now I cannot power it back on.  Plug in the USB and
it charges at 40mA.  Disconnect USB, I still cannot power it on.  OK
my Fluke has a resistance of 40 ohms in current mode, so that's why;
previous numbers are probably a bit low, because of the resistance,
and I will have to use an old analog meter.  With that one, on the
500mA range the total resistance across the current probe is 0.6 ohms,
that's more like it.

350mA at the boot prompt.  280-400mA while booting (fluctuates) with a
couple spikes to 500mA.  After booting it stays around 400mA mostly,
but I'm not running the UI yet and GSM should be off by default,
right?  I have to plug in USB so I can start up the UI, then unplug it
again... it goes to 500mA (and occasionally pegs the meter) then drops
back to 400mA after reaching steady state.  Battery meter applet shows
about 2/3 or so.  I select on the UI to power up GSM, and it doesn't
change the current much.  Select auto-register... OK it's going to
500mA more often.  Try to call the Neo from a land line... it's not
ringing or vibrating but current stays around 500mA until I hang up
the land line.  I verified using libgsmd-tool -m shell that GSM is
really on and connected and can receive calls.  Looks like the worst
case is 500mA but it doesn't stay there all the time.  Power off
GSM... it goes to maybe 360mA with some spikes to 400-something.  Try
to connect USB to turn off the backlight... it's misbehaving again.
UI is still up but not responding.  Current is steady at 420mA when I
disconnect USB.

I have not checked this old meter for how accurate it is.  It's a
Simpson 373.  Guess I'd better... OK Simpson in series with the Fluke,
plug in USB to make it boot, then remove USB, and because the boot
failed this time I got to a nice steady state of about 420mA discharge
current on the Simpson which reads 406mA on the Fluke.  Close enough.

I uploaded pictures of my measurement setup here:

http://ecloud.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=199

and a video of the process here:

http://www.youtube.com/v/HzqzlA8NE2Y

but at the moment it's still being processed by YouTube.  It is 20
megs and 4.5 minutes, and this is my first time using YouTube so we'll
see how long that takes.

On Jan 11, 2008 10:47 PM, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 2008 2:57 PM, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yeah.  I wonder if the battery has deteriorated somehow (from the
> > phone running and being plugged in to USB for days or weeks at a time,
> > and being overcharged? but the power management chip should not
> > overcharge it, right?), or maybe it is not being fully charged.  I
> > consider it fully charged when it has been running, and plugged in to
> > USB, overnight.  I'm also wondering if my hub may be limiting it to
> > less than 500 mA though.  I need to measure the currents... both
> > battery current and USB current, in various states.
>
> Well I made a sort of "current probe" by gluing two pieces of very
> thin single-sided PCB material back-to-back (the result is thinner
> than any double-sided stuff I have at home).  I see -375mA (current
> coming out of the battery) as the usual load.  But when USB is plugged
> in, I see between -60 and -80 mA - current is still coming out of the
> battery.  So it's not getting charged; my hub must be limiting the
> current.  Let me plug in directly to my PC... OK now it's +25-+45mA,
> still fluctuating all over but charging the battery slowly.  I checked
> and it is in fast_cccv mode.  So I guess that means the USB current is
> probably 400mA or less... we have a load of 375mA plus some charge
> current is going into the battery, but the charge happens at a
> different voltage, but there is some loss in the charge circuit too.
> Now I unplug USB for a second and it goes to 450mA load current
> (coming out of the battery to run the phone).  OK 375 was lower than
> normal for some reason...
>
> So far that was running gllin, and logging data points, with the LCD
> and backlight on and showing the splash screen, but not running the
> UI.  Not sure if GSM is on in that state or not.  OK I will try it
> with a SIM installed, and running the UI...
>
> BTW current discharge is about 8-12 mA with the phone turned off.
> It's dropping a little over t

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES:

2008-01-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer 
Schmidt András writes:
>You are absolutely right! I couldn't catch any meaning of the post.
>Maybe the guy who wrote it should have some mental treatment. Or is it 
>funny?

Looking at some other takezero.net posts, they all read like that.
Some of them (like
http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/eco-friendly-next-generation-mobile-homes)

look like they might have come out of a really bad automatic
translator -- the phrase "river State University (MSU)" sounds like
Mississippi (both a river and a state in the US) got translated...

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Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Ted Lemon 

On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:

Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/


Sure you can - put a switch in the phone's advanced preferences!   :')

Anyway, I have always felt that with a little dress-up, the verbose  
startup could become reassuring rather than alarming.   The reason  
it's alarming is mostly that it just sits there saying nothing  
intelligible to the end-user.   If it said things like "probing for  
Atheros ethernet device...   found." or "configuring network..." then  
the end user might be less alarmed.   If you don't know any better  
though I think it looks too much like a Windows crash, to which old- 
timers are too painfully accustomed.



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Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Ted Lemon 

On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:

And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-)


And it can't run down the batteries...

:')


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Re: Openmoko wallpaper

2008-01-12 Thread Marcel 
Ah okay, now I understand. No, the picture was not intended as a decoration, 
just another image for the artwork page.

Marcel

Am Samstag 12 Januar 2008 05:29:53 schrieb clare:
> Hi Marcel, I think I have not been clear enough. I always thought you
> intended the pic as a decoration for the wiki home page, and that  I
> thought not a good idea. Just putting files in the wiki, with a warning as
> to size, is fine.
> regards,
> clare
>
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Marcel wrote:
> > The original image (no blackened moon, it's a lens reflection) and the
> > most recent of the wallpaper'd one can be seen here:
> > http://tanuva.de/index.php/mokocars-at-night-gallery/
> >
> > @clare:
> > Maybe I make an even smaller jpegged one (800x600?) as a preview and one
> > attaches a hires tar.gz version to it? (I don't have a wiki account yet,
> > but if someone here said I should put it up in the wiki, I would create
> > one.)
> >
> > Marcel
> >
> > Am Freitag 11 Januar 2008 11:20:24 schrieb Peter Ruzicska:
> >> Please upload to your site the original image! With your sign on the
> >> lower right corner :) But without blackened moon.
> >>
> >> thanks a lot!
> >> speedyx86
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Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen 
Hello,

On Jan 12, 2008 5:34 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course,
> it's
> scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may
> come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/
>

Easy to fix - leave it (boot scroll) as an option that can be turned on by
the user, preferably in a geeky way involving shell and the virtual
keyboard. :-)
And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-)
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Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer 
Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote:
>>   I read the "not so happy" comments following the Gizmodo article.  
>> A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the  
>> repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible.

> I thought that was weird.   The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts!

Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course, it's
scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may
come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/

Regards,

:M:

-- 
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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Zitune 
On Jan 12, 2008 3:12 PM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never
> stops
> looping and wonder why it does not...
>
>
For sure, but it seem importqnt to be able to hide  the boot scroll for mass
market.
Not all people are open to the beauty of a boot scrolling :)


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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread kenneth marken 
On Friday 11 January 2008 23:20:51 Lon Lentz wrote:
>
>   I would recommend everyone go read Wired's article on the story of the
> iPhone development. Read about how well their prototype did. Hint: The
> iPhone didn't magically appear as a finished project out of thin air by
> shear will power. The power of Marketing is strong, but not that strong.
>

while a interesting read, i get a feel that apple is just "uncle" jobs and 
some faceless engineers doing the dirty work after he have done all the 
planing...

hoovers g-men anyone?

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread kenneth marken 
On Saturday 12 January 2008 07:26:18 Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote:
> >   I read the "not so happy" comments following the Gizmodo article.
> > A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the
> > repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible.
>
> I thought that was weird.   The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts!
>

imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never stops 
looping and wonder why it does not...

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES:

2008-01-12 Thread Schmidt András 

You are absolutely right! I couldn't catch any meaning of the post.
Maybe the guy who wrote it should have some mental treatment. Or is it 
funny?


Ken Smith wrote:

On Jan 11, 2008 12:21 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2



I couldn't help noticing that the takezero.net post reads like it was
produced using Markov Chains.  Forgive my naivete if this is an inside
joke of some kind.  I was surprised to see at least one expletive in
the post.  Perhaps it's a case of digital graffiti?

   Ken Smith

  



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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen 
Hello,

On Jan 12, 2008 7:42 AM, Jeff Andros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> agreed... plus how often does a consumer ready phone get rebooted? last
> time I did mine was to swap the sim card into my neo
>

In my experience it is like this: Nokia phones needs to be rebooted every
week. This has been true for all Nokia phones I have used, and is also true
for the Nokia E61 I'm currently using. If not rebooted, some functions of
the phone will fail. For the E61, it suddenly starts to say "disk full" when
I try to sync email onto it. After a reboot it is fine again.
I have only used a few Sony-Ericsson phones, but they tend to only need
reboot every two weeks. My latest experience was the K710, it did all sorts
of funny things if it was not rebooted. Like - the alarm didn't work, -
outgoing calls failed, - ringing didn't work and so on.

IMO, rebooting a phone shouldn't be necessary during normal use.
I am hoping that any phone running OpenMoko will be much, much better in
this area..


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Re: Power Management on Neo1973

2008-01-12 Thread Nicolas Linkert 

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:41:09 +0100, "Nils Faerber"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> So buttomline is I would not see it *that* black. Let's hope for the new
> modem firmware since the modem is currently the biggest standby current
> eater.

I was under the impression that the last modem update occured because
some SIM cards were not recognized. Is there a new update of the modem
planned that is going to deal with power management?

Best regards,
Nicolas 

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Ken Smith 
On Jan 11, 2008 12:21 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Lon,
>
> Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and
> apparently even more have appeared:
>
> http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on
> http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2

I couldn't help noticing that the takezero.net post reads like it was
produced using Markov Chains.  Forgive my naivete if this is an inside
joke of some kind.  I was surprised to see at least one expletive in
the post.  Perhaps it's a case of digital graffiti?

   Ken Smith

> http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE
>
> I've added a link to these at
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events. If anyone finds more,
> please add them here.
>
> Michael
>
>
> Lon Lentz wrote:
> >
> >   Michael,
> >
> >   Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this?
> >
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2008 4:20 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > A brief status report from OpenMoko:
> >
> > Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas
> > 
> >
> > We've just returned from CES where we showed the Neo FreeRunner (GTA02).
> > Although this was still a prototype it performed fairly well. The UI we
> > had installed was the same as the most recent for GTA01. Of course most
> > of the press was interested in this as a consumer device. Nonetheless,
> > interest was very high. A number of Linux and Open Source enthusiasts
> > came by, and of course they were thrilled. Most of them already knew
> > about this project but wanted to see the GTA02 and to hold it in their
> > hands. We were also visited by some Linux luminaries (Doc Searls,
> > Maddog), which is always very thrilling.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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