Re: Yet Another Map Application
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:30:54 +0100 Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I am happy to announce the shiny new release of Yet Another Map Application - Yama in short :-). [...] Looks cool. Have to try it out. Not sure if you are aware of this, but Yama is the Hindu god of death! Regards, Gora ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Never getting GPS lock
na, i'm on a hill, it's pretty much wide open sky. Unobstructed to horizon for 180deg, other 180deg is about 60deg above horizon Lally Singh wrote: From: http://blogs.msdn.com/coding4fun/archive/2006/10/31/912287.aspx $GPGSV,2,1,08,01,40,083,46,02,17,308,41,12,07,344,39,14,22,228,45*75 Where: GSV Satellites in view 2Number of sentences for full data 1sentence 1 of 2 08 Number of satellites in view 01 Satellite PRN number 40 Elevation, degrees 083 Azimuth, degrees 46 SNR - higher is better for up to 4 satellites per sentence *75 the checksum data, always begins with * Looks like you're only seeing 1 satellite. Are you in a city or somewhere else where you'd have a lot of obstructions? You need line-of-sight with 4 (preferably more) to get a lock. On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi My gta01 never gets gps lock, i've had it outside for over 15min on multiple occasions over the past few months with no luck. I followed the instructions here http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011916.html to get gllin installed and i do get the $GPxxx info, it just never locks. (Always A1). I get the date on the $GPRMC line which i've been told means the gps receiver has found at least one satellite. I've tried it on different kernel/rootfs images and i get the same thing. Does anybody else have this problem? GPS Output --- $GPRMC,005141.53,V,,,250208,,,N*77 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPRMC,005142.53,V,,,250208,,,N*74 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPRMC,005143.56,V,,,250208,,,N*70 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPGGA,005145.58,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.07 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,30*73 $PGLOR,IGR,81.2,7,71389,0,1*0D $GPRMC,005146.52,V,,,250208,,,N*71 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPRMC,005147.56,V,,,250208,,,N*74 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPGGA,005149.48,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0A $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,32*71 $GPGGA,005150.52,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.09 $GPRMC,005150.52,V,,,250208,,,N*76 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPGGA,005152.54,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0D --- Thanks Ben. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Never getting GPS lock
On 2/25/08, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: na, i'm on a hill, it's pretty much wide open sky. Unobstructed to horizon for 180deg, other 180deg is about 60deg above horizon I had to wait around 2-3 hours for several days to get a fix on mine (My neo was placed near the window for a couple of days). Apparently only the first ever fix took a long time atleast in my case. After that getting a fix should not be a problem. Regards Sudharshan S blog: http:/www.sudharsh.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Never getting GPS lock
I seem to have got it working, although I’m not too sure how. It finally got a fix when I was inside playing around with different gllin options. I tried the cold option (cold start) and then “-sim“ (not using simulator) 5min after that it was getting fixes. Although I can't be sure the different options had anything to do with getting it to work and I have no idea why it would have been using the ‘simulator’ in the first place since I was using a normal buildhost image and standard gllin ipk In any case, it's working now so i'm happy :) Thanks for your help Ben. Ben Wilson wrote: na, i'm on a hill, it's pretty much wide open sky. Unobstructed to horizon for 180deg, other 180deg is about 60deg above horizon Lally Singh wrote: From: http://blogs.msdn.com/coding4fun/archive/2006/10/31/912287.aspx $GPGSV,2,1,08,01,40,083,46,02,17,308,41,12,07,344,39,14,22,228,45*75 Where: GSV Satellites in view 2 Number of sentences for full data 1 sentence 1 of 2 08 Number of satellites in view 01 Satellite PRN number 40 Elevation, degrees 083 Azimuth, degrees 46 SNR - higher is better for up to 4 satellites per sentence *75 the checksum data, always begins with * Looks like you're only seeing 1 satellite. Are you in a city or somewhere else where you'd have a lot of obstructions? You need line-of-sight with 4 (preferably more) to get a lock. On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi My gta01 never gets gps lock, i've had it outside for over 15min on multiple occasions over the past few months with no luck. I followed the instructions here http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011916.html to get gllin installed and i do get the $GPxxx info, it just never locks. (Always A1). I get the date on the $GPRMC line which i've been told means the gps receiver has found at least one satellite. I've tried it on different kernel/rootfs images and i get the same thing. Does anybody else have this problem? GPS Output --- $GPRMC,005141.53,V,,,250208,,,N*77 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPRMC,005142.53,V,,,250208,,,N*74 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPRMC,005143.56,V,,,250208,,,N*70 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPGGA,005145.58,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.07 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,30*73 $PGLOR,IGR,81.2,7,71389,0,1*0D $GPRMC,005146.52,V,,,250208,,,N*71 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPRMC,005147.56,V,,,250208,,,N*74 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPGGA,005149.48,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0A $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,32*71 $GPGGA,005150.52,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.09 $GPRMC,005150.52,V,,,250208,,,N*76 $GPGSV,1,1,01,19,,,31*72 $GPGSA,A,1,1911.2,5.0,10.0*3E $GPGGA,005152.54,00,00,5.0,,M,0.179099,M,0.0D --- Thanks Ben. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Hello, A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official word from our VP of Marketing: Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements: 1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open. 2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that. 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. We are actively looking at pre-orders, but as discussed in the past there are a number of very difficult complications in taking pre-orders. We think the best solution is to build 10 times as many phones as we did the last time, so that pre-orders will not be necessary. As many of you know, ramping up a factory for production is not instantaneous. We plan to do a number of pre-production runs to iron out manufacturing issues and to assure high yield. These pre-production runs will occur before the official production run, so that when we make announcements 2 and 3 above we will be highly confident in our ability to manufacture and deliver a very large number of handsets. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be great! Ivo Anjo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
Hi everyone! Today I got another proposal for useful applications that would make an open mobile outshine oldsch00l mobiles. The leader of the Norwegian EFF chapter posted som days in frustration a question whether there was any kind of blacklisting/spam filtering capabilities for SMS/Phonecalls on existing mobile phones. This of course got me thinking about how neat such a thing would be, especially if it was capable of automated/perioding updating such blacklists. As there is an multitude of well developed free/open software that deals with email spam, how could such work be to adapt such things into a distributed sms/mms filtering and sender blacklisting software? (I can't even get a 'printf(hello World!);' statment to compile, so don't look at me. ;-) ) In my ideal world: Alice gets a OpenMoko, and then starts getting annoying calls from Peach Corporation that would like to sell here an Peach M-Phone. As Alice dislikes Peach Corporation, she tags any sms/mms and caller ID's with a Marketing Call tag. Bob on the other hand tends to get deceptive marketing calls from Matilda in Canned Meat Marketing. Matilda has created an software system that automates calling and displays a unknown caller ID, then hangs up when Bob answers. If Bob calls back he get a canned speech _and_ Matilda logs him as a potential mark for futher scams. After Bob's Phone Rage has subsidized(thank god he bought the 3rd party ruggedized Moko Case!) he tags the calling ID with Deceptive Marketing tag. Unfortunately Matilda in Canned Meat Marketing has a pool of several hundred/thousand of caller ID's, and by logging and some simple software routing she make sure that each call Bob recieves never shows the same caller ID. But, almost every day Alice and Bob decides to access the internet trough their phones Wifi or 3G. The phone usually checks for software updates weekly, but when Bob's and Alice's has new Spam Tags they upload anonymized (but cryptographically signed) data to a spamlisting server. The server applies whatever black magic needed to create an updated blacklist and every week Alice and Bob downloads a updated blacklist from the same server. Since other people has also reported Deceptive Marketing tags on Matilda's Call ID's and the number of reports passed a blackmagic threshold her Caller ID's are added to the permanent shit^H^H^H blacklist. So from that day on Alice's and Bob's phone refuses to accept any calls from Matilda. The number of people that reported Peach corporation on the other hand also reached the necessary threshold for a blacklisting. But since Alice and other people used a different Tag the phone only displays a warning to Bob (depending on his user preferences). Of course, each paradise has it's snake and in this case it's Mallory. Mallory is Alice's ex, and he hates that Bob has started to become a important figure in Alice's love life. So Mallory tries to upload his own list (or through multiple proxies) where Alice's and Bob's phonenumbers are listed with the Deceptive Marketing tag. This could at least be mitigated by _not_ using different spamtags and by defaulting the Moko's behavior to only display warnings rather than silently ignore. In addition they contact list in Bob's and Alice's could work as a whitelist. Any other suggestions on how to combat Mallory? Matilda might also become a snake as she would like to somehow poison the central servers database with false data. Matilda is hoping that Alice and Bob would uninstall their local spamfilter after it gave to many false positives. Any suggestions on how to combat Matilda? Sincerly, Heikki Soerum. Disclaimer: I state that any novel ideas are the product of my own disturbed mind. The content of this email is shared with an Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike license. Nor do I or will I claim any patents related to any ideas contained within. (And please please DON'T waste mailinglist bandwidth discussing my licensing/patent choice. Email me in private if it's such a burning topic.) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Ivo Anjo wrote: 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be great! Hi Ivo, That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set up distributors in as many places as possible. The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU, that should work for you, right? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Hi Ivo, That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set up distributors in as many places as possible. The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU, that should work for you, right? Yeah, there are no extra taxes on trades inside the EU, and since Germany belongs to the EU, it should work great. Looking forward to it :) Ivo Anjo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
Heikki Sørum wrote: In my ideal world: Alice gets a OpenMoko, and then starts getting annoying calls from Peach Corporation that would like to sell here an Peach M-Phone. As Alice dislikes Peach Corporation, she tags any sms/mms and caller ID's with a Marketing Call tag. One of my favorite features from grandcentral.com is being able to tag numbers as spam which plays the this number is no longer in service tone and then the appropriate message about being a disconnected line. Being able to do this within OpenMoko would be pretty slick too, though you won't really gain anything by marking SMS messages as spam -- you're still paying for the incoming message whether to tag it as spam or not, you'd only have the ability to place it within a 'spam' folder to review later. Anyone want to port SpamAssassin to OpenMoko? ;o) -id ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Monday 25 February 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: Ivo Anjo wrote: 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be great! Hi Ivo, That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set up distributors in as many places as possible. The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU, that should work for you, right? It would work, but the rate of sales tax is fairly high in Germany. Under EU rules, Europeans can buy stuff from anywhere in the EU, and pay the sales tax rate prevalent in the country where the shop operates instead of the rate in their home country. If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Having said that, it is not a huge cost, and having a web shop any where in Europe is a great improvement over importing from the Far East. -- David Pottage ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Heikki Sørum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone! Today I got another proposal for useful applications that would make an open mobile outshine oldsch00l mobiles. While I've never thought of taking it that far, this is one of the prime reasons I will be getting an OM. Most phones have very limited inbound call rules. I'll setup certain phone numbers to always ring the phone, only allow unknown numbers to ring the phone during certain times, etc. -- Steven Kurylo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
On Monday 25 February 2008 22:39:04 ian douglas wrote: Being able to do this within OpenMoko would be pretty slick too, though you won't really gain anything by marking SMS messages as spam -- you're still paying for the incoming message whether to tag it as spam or not, you'd only have the ability to place it within a 'spam' folder to review later. not every nation have operators that charge you for incoming sms ;) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Heikki Sørum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from Matilda in Canned Meat Marketing. Matilda has created an software system that automates calling and displays a unknown caller ID, then ... 3rd party ruggedized Moko Case!) he tags the calling ID with Deceptive Marketing tag. Unfortunately Matilda in Canned Meat Marketing Well if it's unknown caller ID then Bob can't do that. Besides it might be counter-productive to blacklist big blocks of numbers which might later belong to somebody else when the telemarketing co. shuts down. I would propose sending unknown callers into a menu system: recorded message Your caller ID is blocked or turned off. If you are a telemarketer, please be warned that we are registered with the national Do-Not-Call list and do not wish to receive marketing messages of any kind. Otherwise please press 1 to leave a voice message, or enter your friend code. Then if some friend who calls from work complains that he always gets this because the phones at work have blocked caller ID, you give him a friend code which he can enter to authenticate and actually ring your phone. Otherwise you don't even know any of this is going on until you get a voicemail notification, and the friend codes are only needed in the special cases. Plus you can still blacklist small quantities of known-bad phone numbers. This sort of thing can probably be done with Asterisk. You could even do that with calls which do have caller ID but which are not on your whitelist. Or do that only during certain hours (when you are usually sleeping). Or make everyone enter a friend code when you are sleeping. :-) I think I would probably do that; as it is, I keep my cell turned off much more than I should, just in case. (Hate being woken up in the morning before my usual time to get up - one distraction like that can make me tired for a day or two if I don't get back to sleep.) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%. Richard. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
Heikki Sørum wrote: This could at least be mitigated by _not_ using different spamtags and by defaulting the Moko's behavior to only display warnings rather than silently ignore. In addition they contact list in Bob's and Alice's could work as a whitelist. Any other suggestions on how to combat Mallory? A reputation/karma system combined with probability ratings might help a bit. A central trusted list like dns blacklist would probably not work, because checking reports would be unsolicited calls for the checked number and it would produce cost. Therefore the only method would be some kind of social network thing. People could be trusted when they submit data that other persons have also reported. A extended check could check for unrelated clouds, like multiple persons reporting the same data. A cloud of reports bound together by multiple persons reporting the same thing could become more trusted when the same people also reported sigificantly to other clouds... But i think spam fighting methods could be added later when the systems becomes a targed. What i mean is, not having a working spam fighting mechanism yet must not mean that we should not start building this system. I know people working in a social media platform, and they got along with implementing their spam fighting techniques later, and they tested multiple methods to solve this problem and are constantly changing it still. But i'm sure a system like 'i trust someone because i trust that one because i trust...' (you get the idea...) would be the answer. In my eyes, trust should be calculated automaticly, not by manually defining trust (like pgp). Using the system could improve it. I have better things to do with my life than managing trust relations for my spam filter... And by the way. Spamassassin (or better something 'lighter') for sms sounds like a really really good idea... Just my 2 Eurocents Tilman PS: This calls for a interception API on the phone. Fighting spam would not be the only thing that would be nice to hook into these events. Configurable ringtones for different people, programmable ringtones and so on come to mind. Is there anything there yet? Or planned? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Joseph Booker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cell phones can be placed on the do-not-call list? It's already illegal for telemarketers to call you on one (since you would be paying for unsolicited advertising). Well if they are calling, you still need your own defense because they obviously are getting away with it, for a while at least; or they don't know that it's a cell. But in practice I don't really get telemarketing calls on my cell, and nowadays seldom get them at home. I have gotten SMS spam though. I guess there is less that you can do about that; just blacklist or whitelist, and decide which ones to ring vs. which ones to just silently preserve in the inbox (or spam folder). Obviously if you want a custom voice menu it has to be implemented on the phone, so people who access that are causing you to pay for some minutes and are not using your provider's voicemail service. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Mo, 2008-02-25 at 23:06 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ... Just to kill your illusion - it is 19 % in germany since the beginning of 2007... ;-) Regards, Ricky. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Marc Verwerft wrote: Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ... 16% Not anymore... :( But as afar as i know, you can sell inside the EU to other EU countries and tax where they buyer lives. Don't ask me how, but i think there is something like that. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:11:14 -0700 Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: recorded message Your caller ID is blocked or turned off. If you are a telemarketer, please be warned that we are registered with the national Do-Not-Call list and do not wish to receive marketing messages of any kind. Otherwise please press 1 to leave a voice message, or enter your friend code. Cell phones can be placed on the do-not-call list? It's already illegal for telemarketers to call you on one (since you would be paying for unsolicited advertising). A blacklist for military or frat recruiters who regretfully obtained the number legitimately would be pretty nice though. SMS spam is one thing, but I'd wager individual blocking for calls is more useful then block lists. -- Joseph Jon Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
ian douglas wrote: Tilman Baumann wrote: In my eyes, trust should be calculated automaticly, not by manually defining trust (like pgp). Using the system could improve it. Perhaps number of successful phone calls, and length of phone call to add a number of trust 'points' ... the more successful calls over some length of time, the more trusted someone becomes. Still, having individual profiles as someone else mentioned, would be ideal too. For example, I'd want my wife's phone call to ring no matter time of day or busy status (meetings, etc). A call from my mother-in-law, however, should never play any ring tone during business hours, and unknown caller ID values should never play any ring tone and route them immediately to voice mail. This would be a locally managed call managing system. Definitely a thing we need to. But not quite the same thing as we discussed. But i am absolutely with you, wee need this. And it would probably be a good idea to design a system like this first. And then extend it in the future for distributed network blacklists. I have better things to do with my life than managing trust relations for my spam filter... Well, even tools like SpamAssassin need training to teach it what is considered spam or not. Yea. But this is limited to a simple question 'was this call spam?'. What i mean was that you should have 'the list[tm]' that is automatically the right thing for you. And not havong to decide actively whoms reports you trust. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:14:11 +0100, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%. Luxembourg could be great :) or spain too... but please ! not in sueden or denmark :) (25% !) Anyone here who lives in Lux ? :) Richard. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:14:11 +0100, Richard Bennett richard.bennett at skynet.be wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%. Luxembourg could be great :) or spain too... but please ! not in sueden or denmark :) (25% !) Anyone here who lives in Lux ? :) Richard. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hello everyone, In Spain we have 16% VAT... (and I thought we had a huge VAT, but by the comments, we're so cheap!) Regards Tony ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
Tilman Baumann wrote: In my eyes, trust should be calculated automaticly, not by manually defining trust (like pgp). Using the system could improve it. Perhaps number of successful phone calls, and length of phone call to add a number of trust 'points' ... the more successful calls over some length of time, the more trusted someone becomes. Still, having individual profiles as someone else mentioned, would be ideal too. For example, I'd want my wife's phone call to ring no matter time of day or busy status (meetings, etc). A call from my mother-in-law, however, should never play any ring tone during business hours, and unknown caller ID values should never play any ring tone and route them immediately to voice mail. I have better things to do with my life than managing trust relations for my spam filter... Well, even tools like SpamAssassin need training to teach it what is considered spam or not. -id ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How Alice and Bob got telephone/SMS spam on their Moko.
Tilman Baumann wrote: Yea. But this is limited to a simple question 'was this call spam?'. What i mean was that you should have 'the list[tm]' that is automatically the right thing for you. Yes, I agree, it should be personalized to the user/phone, and being prompted after a call to specify spam/non-spam would be nice, but might get annoying for users too. Using a downloadable database of spammy phone numbers to block calls or SMS message from could get quite large. Plus you have to deal with users attempting to poison the database, such as the Mallory user that Heikki originally discussed. I don't have access from work, but has anyone started a wiki page about a feature list for a call/sms filtering package? I'd be happy to add my $0.02 to a feature list and help with building some of the software. -id ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
David Pottage ha scritto: If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared with buying from a German web shop. In Italy it's 20%, not the best, but reading I discover that it isn't neither the wrost! :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
I am a little curious to the channels that you do have access to. Being in canada, I am also curious as to if you plan to distribute the FreeRunner in Canada. On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 10:56 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hello, A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official word from our VP of Marketing: Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements: 1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open. 2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that. 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. We are actively looking at pre-orders, but as discussed in the past there are a number of very difficult complications in taking pre-orders. We think the best solution is to build 10 times as many phones as we did the last time, so that pre-orders will not be necessary. As many of you know, ramping up a factory for production is not instantaneous. We plan to do a number of pre-production runs to iron out manufacturing issues and to assure high yield. These pre-production runs will occur before the official production run, so that when we make announcements 2 and 3 above we will be highly confident in our ability to manufacture and deliver a very large number of handsets. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Duvelle Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a little curious to the channels that you do have access to. Being in canada, I am also curious as to if you plan to distribute the FreeRunner in Canada. +1 for Canada! We can order from the USA and the shipping costs are usually not too large, but we end up paying a lot on insurance and broker/custom fees. It's a little better now that the Canadian dollar is pretty much on par with the US dollar but still.. Having a distributor in Canada would be very nice! thanks Antoine -- Antoine Reid ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders
On Monday 25 February 2008 23:48:14 Tilman Baumann wrote: Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ... 16% Not anymore... :( But as afar as i know, you can sell inside the EU to other EU countries and tax where they buyer lives. If I'm not totally mistaken, inside the EU sales to private consumers are taxed at the tax-rate of the seller's location. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
