FW: FAX2PDF with OpenMoko?
Someone wrote: Never ever will a GSM module be a G3 Fax. (IMHO) And everything else is just hell. Fax and software don't go well together. I don't thing this idea has potential. Out source the problem to any fax provider and let others feel the pain. Fax is dead. and someone wrote: Sending analog FAX over a GSM line will not offer good results if it works at all. GSM codec is optimized for transmitting voice. The characteristics of GSM and the characteristics required by FAX is completely different. It appears quite common for GSM modems to support fax over CSD at speeds up to 9.6kbps. When I had a Sony p800 a good few years ago, it came with a fully fledged fax send and receive service. Normally, you need a separate fax mobile number (see http://support.rfsolutions.co.uk/faq/content/8/56/en/gsm-modem-dial-in-csd-fax_data-call.html ) See previous posts from a year ago that discuss this and seem indicate that this is feasible. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/002654.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/002660.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/002708.html This functionality would be useful in the UK because not all companies even use email yet, and some still require written communication. regards Martin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Picture Viewer geocaching
I was reading about the software will be implemented on OM in the wiki and I found that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Picture_Viewer. I was thinking about gps and usb host capabilities of the Neo Freerunner, and that nearby any digital photo camera is recogniced as usb mass storage so if you plug a digital camera to the usb port of the neo we can geomark writing the exif information in the pictures. To be able to do this a gps traker log has to be recorded previously on the neo (for sure this will be a default feature on the neo) , the digital camera has to be time syncroniced with the neo (any digital camera can change his hour/date in the setup) and that's all!!!, because there is software already developed and GPLed that can do the rest gpscorrelate http://freefoote.dview.net/linux_gpscorr.html Can do the matching on the gps data loged (GPX format)and the exif time information of the picture and writes the gps data in the exif tag of the picture GPSBabel http://www.gpsbabel.org Able to translate any Gps format(including raw NMEA 0183 sentences) to a lot of other formats (GPX included) Exiv2 http://www.exiv2.org/ Library to read/write exif information So the only work to do is to integrate all this in the Picture Viewer maybe with some scripting or directily ind the Picture viewer code. This can make the neo a very usefull companion to any digital camera. Once the Picture Viewer development is more advanced I will like to be involved to include this feature to it So I got a few questions, Any usb issue known? I gess the 100mA power usb host will be enough to use whit the camera (maybe not to charge the battery but to read/write the photos) I have to edit the wiki page to include this feature in the picture viewer or first it has to be discussed here to know if the community wants it or not? Is the picture viewer the real place to do that? If the picture viewer can select and perform actions(rotate,delete,...)can add geocatch action to them. But any othe idea that simplifies the procces will be wellcome An geocatch deamon to automatic geocath the picures once the camera is pluged on the neo if gps data in this time frame is available is a complementary solution 24 hour of gps data log how big (in bytes or multiples) can be? I have no expercience with gps tracking so I hope I have not said any no sense idea Keep on going, guys/girls!!! __ ¿Con Mascota por primera vez? Sé un mejor Amigo. Entra en Yahoo! Respuestas http://es.answers.yahoo.com/info/welcome ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Picture Viewer geocaching
David Samblas Martinez wrote: 24 hour of gps data log how big (in bytes or multiples) can be? I have no expercience with gps tracking so I hope I have not said any no sense idea That's easy to count. Let's say you log 100 bytes every second (that's more than enough for longitude, latitude, timestamp, velocity, height and some satellite information). Then that will be 60*60*24*100=864 bytes for a whole day. That's about 9M. If you just need location and timestamp then it is 16-20 bytes per sample and can be dramatically compacted using differential encoding. If you are interested in Geocaching you should check the Yama map viewer project: http://yamamap.wiki.sourceforge.net/ It has an online Demo applet here: http://yamamap.org/demo.php Schmidt András ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Partitions
Hi folks, I see there are two 60Mb partitions on the device, one is mounted to the /var/volatile. 60 MBs seems so small for the root filesystem and I'm already having trouble. Is it really necessary to divide them? And what can I do to at least temporarily overcome this problem? Thanks, Emre Turkay ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Picture Viewer geocaching
Ok I will auto-answer to this question based on you answer with more accuracy data based on http://www.eoss.org/pubs/nmeafaq.htm NMEA 0183 sentences= up to 82 Ascii chars--one sentence per second--82 bytes per second so 60*60*24*82=7084800 based on zzip examples text compresion http://debin.net/zzip/results.php aprox 5:1 ratio text compresion so 7084800/5=1416960---1,35Mbytes each day of raw NMEA zziped data For sure there will be more efficient ways to store GPS Track information (maybe GPX xml format, or JOSM storage data format) but as worst case NMEA raw format makes me think you can store easyly a full week of gps data in less than 10MB. So I hope this information will be usefull to any one , for me it has been a good exercice to know more about gps --- Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: David Samblas Martinez wrote: 24 hour of gps data log how big (in bytes or multiples) can be? I have no expercience with gps tracking so I hope I have not said any no sense idea That's easy to count. Let's say you log 100 bytes every second (that's more than enough for longitude, latitude, timestamp, velocity, height and some satellite information). Then that will be 60*60*24*100=864 bytes for a whole day. That's about 9M. If you just need location and timestamp then it is 16-20 bytes per sample and can be dramatically compacted using differential encoding. If you are interested in Geocaching you should check the Yama map viewer project: http://yamamap.wiki.sourceforge.net/ It has an online Demo applet here: http://yamamap.org/demo.php Schmidt András ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ ¿Con Mascota por primera vez? Sé un mejor Amigo. Entra en Yahoo! Respuestas http://es.answers.yahoo.com/info/welcome ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Partitions
On Wednesday 27 February 2008 11:36:40 Emre Turkay wrote: Hi folks, I see there are two 60Mb partitions on the device, one is mounted to the /var/volatile. 60 MBs seems so small for the root filesystem and I'm already having trouble. Is it really necessary to divide them? And what can I do to at least temporarily overcome this problem? GTA01 has only 64MB of flash, there's not much you can do about it. The other partitions you see are using tmpfs, which is a filesystem on RAM. :M: ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bye bye wifi hello gifi
andy selby wrote: so when is openmoko going to implement gifi? :) Since its good for only 10 metres its not going to replace wi-fi, it may replace bluetooth. What I want to know is if openmoko is going to implement wi-max. FiTel* (inside the FIC Group) will become a WiMax carrier in Taiwan later this year. It will probably take another year to setup the network. We don't have any immediate plans. Truly mobile WiMax is still some time away. Sean --- * http://www.fitel.net.tw/fitel-e.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions about Neo FreeRunne
Shawn wrote: Does anyone currently use a Neo on T-mobile's network? If so, do you have the data plan and does it work well (: I'm on the tester list for the 850mHz Neo. I've got T-Mobile and the T-Zones data plan - I'll test it when I receive the phone. Regards, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Partitions
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 13:26 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Wednesday 27 February 2008 11:36:40 Emre Turkay wrote: Hi folks, I see there are two 60Mb partitions on the device, one is mounted to the /var/volatile. 60 MBs seems so small for the root filesystem and I'm already having trouble. Is it really necessary to divide them? And what can I do to at least temporarily overcome this problem? GTA01 has only 64MB of flash, there's not much you can do about it. The other partitions you see are using tmpfs, which is a filesystem on RAM. Hence a good reason to chuck your fs on the flash card :) -Tim :M: ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Google Summer of Code
As you all probably know, the summer of code 2008 has been announced, and now is the time for organisations to start readying their applications. Will OpenMoko try to grab a few of us want-to-get-into-OSS students for 3 months of paid summer coding? Please say yes. Pretty please? As a student I already have my eyes on a few organisations that I know will try to become mentoring orgs, but if OpenMoko also got onto the list I would be extremely happy to try to become one of your crazed code monkeys. So what say you? Regards, Oliver U ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions about Neo FreeRunne
Tom, note that the phone 850MHz phone is a custom 1973, and not a Freerunner. Shawn, your subject says Freerunner, but did you mean all Neos? The radio in the Freerunner is essentially the same as 1973. Michael Tom Russell wrote: Shawn wrote: Does anyone currently use a Neo on T-mobile's network? If so, do you have the data plan and does it work well (: I'm on the tester list for the 850mHz Neo. I've got T-Mobile and the T-Zones data plan - I'll test it when I receive the phone. Regards, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Picture Viewer geocaching
David Samblas Martinez wrote: Ok I will auto-answer to this question based on you answer with more accuracy data based on http://www.eoss.org/pubs/nmeafaq.htm NMEA 0183 sentences= up to 82 Ascii chars--one sentence per second--82 bytes per second so 60*60*24*82=7084800 It's (probably) better than that, as long as you're not in constant motion. If you sit in one place for an hour, you don't need to store 3600 NMEA sentences that say the same thing. It shouldn't be too hard to write an algorithm that can tell the difference between moving and stationary, and store data accordingly. Depending on the degree of precision you desire, you can potentially reduce the storage requirements drastically. And if you're moving in an approximately constant speed and direction, you can throw away all the data points along any straight line segment, and only keep the beginning and the end. I believe that this is what Garmin devices do (based on the docs for my Garmin cycle computer). However, this all may be moot, because GPS sucks up no small amount of power. I don't know that the Freerunner will have the juice to run GPS all day long. My Garmin gets 10-11 hours out of an 800 mAh battery (it does some other bike-computer stuff, but that draws *very* little power, given that non-GPS cycle computers can run for months on a couple button batteries). The Freerunner has a 1200 mAh battery, and its also running a GSM modem, and doing other PDA-like stuff. Heck, if you're trying to store GPS data, you're going to have to have the processor awake the whole time, which is another drain. Hmm, then again, looking here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management It says: This would imply that with the CPU constantly on in low power mode, GPS and GSM blipping on and off, and display off, the worst case power consumption is probably around 70mW, leading to a battery life of 2 days. So I guess we'll see when the hardware gets here... -- -- Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://otisbean.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions about Neo FreeRunner
Is there a list of standard software features that will be installed on the phone? Everything I saw seemed to outline just the hardware. Go here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications The freerunner should have everything (0,1st 2nd phase apps) I think looking here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Core_Applications might be better for showing the standard software. It has some screenshots and it should reflect the current core applications more accurately. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bye bye wifi hello gifi
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't have any immediate plans. Truly mobile WiMax is still some time away. Sprint Xohm is still supposed to launch soon, if it doesn't get postponed any more. http://informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/02/best_buy_spills.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki dialer warning
The warning on the wiki says: *WARNING:* *The OpenMoko GUI applications are not suitable for end users yet.* They are still in beta. Do not expect to always and reliably make and receive calls from the OpenMoko GUI. Thanks to the openness of the FIC Neo1973 hardware, there is also an alternative to the OpenMoko GUI: Qtopia 4.3.x is released under GPL and is at the edge of being usable for phone use. How reliable is the dialer currently? Can we remove Do not expect to always and reliably make and receive calls from the OpenMoko GUI from the warning yet? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki dialer warning
Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: The warning on the wiki says: *WARNING:* *The OpenMoko GUI applications are not suitable for end users yet.* They are still in beta. Do not expect to always and reliably make and receive calls from the OpenMoko GUI. Thanks to the openness of the FIC Neo1973 hardware, there is also an alternative to the OpenMoko GUI: Qtopia 4.3.x is released under GPL and is at the edge of being usable for phone use. How reliable is the dialer currently? Can we remove Do not expect to always and reliably make and receive calls from the OpenMoko GUI from the warning yet? Not quite yet. But almost. IMHO PS: Do not reply on tread when you want to open a new topic! Your mailer is smarter than you. In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Agh ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
netiquette
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann: PS: Do not reply on tread when you want to open a new topic! Your mailer is smarter than you. In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Agh ACK! Also seen frequently and even worse maybe: Fullquote on daily digest j ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions about Neo FreeRunne
I was actually reffering to the Freerunner, as it seems like that's the one I'd be getting. I guess, what I really want to know is how does the data structure compare to Edge/G3 that available on today's other popular phones? I would love to get a Freerunner, and would even be willing to switch US providers, but will be locked into T-mobile until October. Are there other/better US providers that this phone works with (data)? Thanks! . . .Shawn - Original Message From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:29:53 PM Subject: Re: questions about Neo FreeRunne Tom, note that the phone 850MHz phone is a custom 1973, and not a Freerunner. Shawn, your subject says Freerunner, but did you mean all Neos? The radio in the Freerunner is essentially the same as 1973. Michael Tom Russell wrote: Shawn wrote: Does anyone currently use a Neo on T-mobile's network? If so, do you have the data plan and does it work well (: I'm on the tester list for the 850mHz Neo. I've got T-Mobile and the T-Zones data plan - I'll test it when I receive the phone. Regards, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions about Neo FreeRunne
Cool, Definitely let me know how it works. I would love to get one of these phones, and am actually willing to change providers, but I'm stuck w/ T-mobile until October. thanks. . . .shawn - Original Message From: Tom Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:05:53 AM Subject: Re: questions about Neo FreeRunne Shawn wrote: Does anyone currently use a Neo on T-mobile's network? If so, do you have the data plan and does it work well (: I'm on the tester list for the 850mHz Neo. I've got T-Mobile and the T-Zones data plan - I'll test it when I receive the phone. Regards, Tom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Picture Viewer geocaching
David Samblas Martinez ha scritto: To be able to do this a gps traker log has to be recorded previously on the neo (for sure this will be a default feature on the neo) , the digital camera has to be time syncroniced with the neo (any digital camera can change his hour/date in the setup) and that's all!!!, because there is software already developed and GPLed that can do the rest I do think it's a good idea... Btw maybe the openmoko could be used only to get the gpx files durning photo-days and then using softwares like the ones you mentioned (also digikam does the trick!) to set the right position...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
freedom
FREE YOUR IMAGINATION INNOVATION AFTER FREE YOUR PHONE !!! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko at O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference
I'll be representing Openmoko at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference in San Diego next week, and would welcome the opportunity to meet any of you attending. In my talk on Thursday I'll talk about the connection between Openmoko, innovation, and ubiquitous computing: http://en.oreilly.com/et2008/public/schedule/detail/3330 If you'll be there, drop me an email with your cellphone number and we'll try to hook up. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
