Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Hi, I am located in India, and I have decided to go for Free-runner. But, I am really wondering about why this phone is so costly? Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India later this year. This phone is likely to be priced much cheaper than free-runner (free-runner is currently available for $500 in India). Also, it looks to me that iPhone has much more features (it has 8 GB memory - I could not see similar in Free-runner). On a plus side, iPhone is fully tested. Their is official performance rating for each feature. Why is the Free-runner cost so high? With open-source development, the cost of devices should in fact come down (that is my thinking - correct me if I am wrong). At least be at par with the commercial products. Is the high cost due to the low volume production? Or something related to the location of production units? If the cost is high because of above (or similar) factors, I assume that costs will come down in long run. In such a scenario, does any one have a (rough) idea about what the final (appx) costs would be? Will it be any better than the commercial products? My interest in openMoko is purely from a developer's point of view (I guess every one currently using it is has similar interests). And the reason why I want to participate in open source development is that I want technology to proliferate and become affordable to the common masses. If this objective is not going to be satisfied, I am going to feel a bit dis-appointed with the loss of time which I spend on my efforts. Also, I really find the Free-runner too expensive just for the development purpose. I am hoping that if I can use it as my cell-phone, I can feel a little better. In case the phone is not practically usable (very poor battery performance, or loosing networks, going to infinite sleep etc), that will add to dis-appointment too. Another possibility - is it that Free-runner is much beyond iPhone in feature list (which I have failed to capture)? Regards, Kunal Singh www.singhkunal.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2008, kid charlemagne wrote: I've done some extensive digging on the community site but it's very hard to tell what information is outdated, what information is current, and what information will be true in the future but not now. Specifically, before I buy a fresh GTA02, I would like to know: 1. Will it be usable as a simple GSM phone? Will I be able to reliably make and receive voice calls with it? I don't need fancy features right off the bat, but this is a bare minimum. I don't have answers to your other two questions, but I can help with this one :) The best source of information to answer that question is Kevin Dean's *excellent* snapshot reviews. He's been using a GTA01 with the same software that will be available for the GTA02 as his daily phone for quite some time now. If you read the most recent review, though, you'll find the phone doesn't always turn GSM back on after it's gone to sleep. While I'm sure "they" are working furiously to fix that problem, I think my personal advice would be: 1. As an opnmoko enthusiast, I would love for you to use the phone as your regular phone so the softwre gets more exposure to the world. 2. As an opnmoko enthusiast, I would not want you to use the phone in any situation where alpha or beta quality behavior from it will make you start telling your friends what an awful device / software it is, because it will almost certainly exhibit that behavior from time to time. - Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A few questions about the games (keyboard/keypad)
Is this using finger-keyboard (http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/finger-keyboard) or a different one? I know a big rewrite was just done & it may be worth trying out. I haven't done any work on it in a couple months, because I was finishing the last of my MS degree & transferring to a new job, but you could try to see how gtkeypad (https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gtkeypad) works for you. The sourcecode is posted there. I should have time to work on it again starting next month. On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 18:49 -0500, Joseph Jon Booker wrote: > On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:20:28 +0100 > Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How does one insert numbers in the sudoku game? (I am assuming it is > > sudoku, since it is named solo on openmoko) Maybe this will be more > > evident with the actual hardware, but at the moment I am stumped. > > See > http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla//show_bug.cgi?id=1215 , > its a known issue with the keyboard being used. I remember somewhere > (probably in one of the mailing lists?) that rasterman was working on a > new keyboard, so the game may be workable soon > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A few questions about the games
On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:20:28 +0100 Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does one insert numbers in the sudoku game? (I am assuming it is > sudoku, since it is named solo on openmoko) Maybe this will be more > evident with the actual hardware, but at the moment I am stumped. See http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla//show_bug.cgi?id=1215 , its a known issue with the keyboard being used. I remember somewhere (probably in one of the mailing lists?) that rasterman was working on a new keyboard, so the game may be workable soon -- Joseph Booker signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe? If that will go, I will be a very happy man :D ramsesoriginal skrev: I just watched http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 1:36 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem that I see with a virtual keypad (besides the lack of tactile > feedback) is that the screen can only handle one button press at a time. > Most games require at least a d-pad and action button to be accessible at > the same time in order to be playable. Pacman doesn't though :-D. > see above, accelerometers.. :D > Perhaps something workable can be thought up, though. Personally, I thought > it might be fun to use the bluetooth connection to talk to a Nintendo Wii > controller, but those are as big as the Neo... > That would be a cool idea! > Matt > > > > There are some good java games for movile phone out there than can be > executed with jlimo. I was able to run some games in the dosbox in jlime so > I supuse that a lot of oldies pc games can be runned in neo too. > > About the key thing, despite we loose part of the screen, I supose it can > be relatively easy to implement an alternative keyboard as the included one > but only with 8 directional keypad (this keypad willbe an 8 "swiched" one > but can evolve to analogic) and two buttons A B as fire ,jump etc... > > Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > We don't have drivers for the 3D hardware, so I am afraid games like > that are a little out of the question... although I think that would > need something more powerful than what we have anyway wouldn't it? > > Would be very happy to see somebody get 3D working though =) > It could be fun to see how app developers would exploit it, let alone > having 3D games... I was about to say someone should port some gameboy > emulator or something, since we do have 2D, but then the button thing > hit me =P > > On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 00:04 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: >> I just watched >> http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, >> and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the >> freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! > La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Need an implementation of multi-touch for that to work, else one would > have to stop running etc. to jump (I was using super mario bros as an > example there). 8-direction stick could be implemented using accelerometers... > I like the idea of dosbox... any chance of dungeon keeper? Or is that > being a bit too optimistic? > > On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 01:05 +0200, David Samblas Martinez wrote: >> There are some good java games for movile phone out there than can >> be executed with jlimo. I was able to run some games in the dosbox in >> jlime so I supuse that a lot of oldies pc games can be runned in neo >> too. >> >> About the key thing, despite we loose part of the screen, I supose it >> can be relatively easy to implement an alternative keyboard as the >> included one but only with 8 directional keypad (this keypad willbe an >> 8 "swiched" one but can evolve to analogic) and two buttons A B as >> fire ,jump etc... >> >> Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >> We don't have drivers for the 3D hardware, so I am afraid >> games like >> that are a little out of the question... although I think that >> would >> need something more powerful than what we have anyway wouldn't >> it? >> >> Would be very happy to see somebody get 3D working though =) >> It could be fun to see how app developers would exploit it, >> let alone >> having 3D games... I was about to say someone should port some >> gameboy >> emulator or something, since we do have 2D, but then the >> button thing >> hit me =P >> >> On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 00:04 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: >> > I just watched >> >> http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, >> > and asked myself what sorts of games are >> tested/planned/running on the >> > freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? >> > >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> >> >> __ >> >> Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! >> La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 1:05 AM, David Samblas Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are some good java games for movile phone out there than can be > executed with jlimo. I was able to run some games in the dosbox in jlime so > I supuse that a lot of oldies pc games can be runned in neo too. > Prince of Persia anyone? or Asteroids? > About the key thing, despite we loose part of the screen, I supose it can > be relatively easy to implement an alternative keyboard as the included one > but only with 8 directional keypad (this keypad willbe an 8 "swiched" one > but can evolve to analogic) and two buttons A B as fire ,jump etc... > Shure thing! Probably even PSX emulation should be possible.. > Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > We don't have drivers for the 3D hardware, so I am afraid games like > that are a little out of the question... Butwe will, some day... > although I think that would > need something more powerful than what we have anyway wouldn't it? According to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone there shouldn't be much difference.. > > Would be very happy to see somebody get 3D working though =) > It could be fun to see how app developers would exploit it, let alone > having 3D games... Some sort of "Cube" on the phone..hmm > I was about to say someone should port some gameboy > emulator or something, since we do have 2D, but then the button thing > hit me =P > > On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 00:04 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: >> I just watched >> http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, >> and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the >> freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! > La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > BTW, i was just thinking: Cross-Compiling from/for Gp2X.. should be possible, or not? -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
The problem that I see with a virtual keypad (besides the lack of tactile feedback) is that the screen can only handle one button press at a time. Most games require at least a d-pad and action button to be accessible at the same time in order to be playable. Pacman doesn't though :-D. Perhaps something workable can be thought up, though. Personally, I thought it might be fun to use the bluetooth connection to talk to a Nintendo Wii controller, but those are as big as the Neo... Matt There are some good java games for movile phone out there than can be executed with jlimo. I was able to run some games in the dosbox in jlime so I supuse that a lot of oldies pc games can be runned in neo too. About the key thing, despite we loose part of the screen, I supose it can be relatively easy to implement an alternative keyboard as the included one but only with 8 directional keypad (this keypad willbe an 8 "swiched" one but can evolve to analogic) and two buttons A B as fire ,jump etc... Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: We don't have drivers for the 3D hardware, so I am afraid games like that are a little out of the question... although I think that would need something more powerful than what we have anyway wouldn't it? Would be very happy to see somebody get 3D working though =) It could be fun to see how app developers would exploit it, let alone having 3D games... I was about to say someone should port some gameboy emulator or something, since we do have 2D, but then the button thing hit me =P On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 00:04 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: > I just watched > http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, > and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the > freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
Need an implementation of multi-touch for that to work, else one would have to stop running etc. to jump (I was using super mario bros as an example there). I like the idea of dosbox... any chance of dungeon keeper? Or is that being a bit too optimistic? On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 01:05 +0200, David Samblas Martinez wrote: > There are some good java games for movile phone out there than can > be executed with jlimo. I was able to run some games in the dosbox in > jlime so I supuse that a lot of oldies pc games can be runned in neo > too. > > About the key thing, despite we loose part of the screen, I supose it > can be relatively easy to implement an alternative keyboard as the > included one but only with 8 directional keypad (this keypad willbe an > 8 "swiched" one but can evolve to analogic) and two buttons A B as > fire ,jump etc... > > Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > We don't have drivers for the 3D hardware, so I am afraid > games like > that are a little out of the question... although I think that > would > need something more powerful than what we have anyway wouldn't > it? > > Would be very happy to see somebody get 3D working though =) > It could be fun to see how app developers would exploit it, > let alone > having 3D games... I was about to say someone should port some > gameboy > emulator or something, since we do have 2D, but then the > button thing > hit me =P > > On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 00:04 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: > > I just watched > > http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, > > and asked myself what sorts of games are > tested/planned/running on the > > freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > __ > > Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! > La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A few questions about the games
First of all, wow! I just got openmoko running on qemu for the first time (at a reasonable speed anyway), and I am impressed by the number of games, were they all written by one person? Next, the main questions I wanted to ask: Will there be any sort of instructions for each game in it's help menu? Some are self explanatory, but others are leaving me completely baffled. How does one insert numbers in the sudoku game? (I am assuming it is sudoku, since it is named solo on openmoko) Maybe this will be more evident with the actual hardware, but at the moment I am stumped. Is there any intention to beautify the Samegame? Maybe I am just too used to seeing it portrayed with marble-esque images, but seeing the blocks of colour like that makes it seem a bit... ugly. Could the version of samegame in gnome be ported with little effort? (Or openmoko version adapted to have an appearance more akin to this) I notice that the game "kobodeluxe" is in the applications menu, not the games one. Is there a reason for this? Thanks :) Mo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
There are some good java games for movile phone out there than can be executed with jlimo. I was able to run some games in the dosbox in jlime so I supuse that a lot of oldies pc games can be runned in neo too. About the key thing, despite we loose part of the screen, I supose it can be relatively easy to implement an alternative keyboard as the included one but only with 8 directional keypad (this keypad willbe an 8 "swiched" one but can evolve to analogic) and two buttons A B as fire ,jump etc... Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: We don't have drivers for the 3D hardware, so I am afraid games like that are a little out of the question... although I think that would need something more powerful than what we have anyway wouldn't it? Would be very happy to see somebody get 3D working though =) It could be fun to see how app developers would exploit it, let alone having 3D games... I was about to say someone should port some gameboy emulator or something, since we do have 2D, but then the button thing hit me =P On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 00:04 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: > I just watched > http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, > and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the > freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community - Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gaming on Openmoko?
We don't have drivers for the 3D hardware, so I am afraid games like that are a little out of the question... although I think that would need something more powerful than what we have anyway wouldn't it? Would be very happy to see somebody get 3D working though =) It could be fun to see how app developers would exploit it, let alone having 3D games... I was about to say someone should port some gameboy emulator or something, since we do have 2D, but then the button thing hit me =P On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 00:04 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: > I just watched > http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, > and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the > freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Gaming on Openmoko?
I just watched http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential, and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working? -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
pe, 2008-05-09 kello 21:57 +0100, Mo Abrahams kirjoitti: > Although the point is moot if there aren't any manufacturers exploiting > that. Well, you know, there's a reason for that besides the SD Card association's artificial limit. 32 gigabyte "standard" form factor SDHC cards have only just been prototyped anyway, not to mention that the smaller micro/miniSDs max out considerably sooner. With 32 gig SDHC cards coming out, though, I kind of expect the association to revise the spec to remove the cap. Otherwise, well, manufacturers will likely just start ignoring it... We'll see. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - http://www.singinst.org/> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
Although the point is moot if there aren't any manufacturers exploiting that. On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 16:44 -0400, Kevin Dean wrote: > It's also worth noting that the 32GB limit is also artificial. 2048GB > is the technical limit for SDHC, if I recall correctly. > > On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Stefan Misch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Crane, Matthew wrote: > >> > >> The SD card association has limtied the size of sdhc to 32gb, the max > >> size of a fat32 system. > > > > I just want to give a short note that this is not true. Fat32 supports > > partition size of up to 2TiB. Microsoft artificially limited Windows 2000 > > and following to be able to create Fat32 partitions of max 32GiB. Using > > other tools to create them (such as "mkfs.vfat") it's still possible to > > create those partitions. And Windows reads and writes to them. > > > > Of course now that there's a reasonable stable NTFS access from Linux it > > doesn't matter that much anymore but a few years back this was quite a pain > > in the ass. > > > > just my 0.02€ > > Stefan > > > > > >> No doubt there's a lot of crappy SD cards out there that don't comply > >> well to standard interfaces though, but unless you're really really > >> skimping there's likely nothing to worry about with any common microsd > >> cards. > >> You could even support larger cards because we aren't limited to fat32 > >> on a linux phone. > >> But has anybody found an SD card that doesn't work with existing > >> hardware?? I only wish I had hardware so I can't test the few cards I > >> have.. Matt > >> > >> > >> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Tabbal > >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:52 AM > >> To: List for Openmoko community discussion > >> Subject: Re: microSD support > >> > >> > >> I think he's asking if the phone will support SDHC, which is required > >> for larger cards and many older devices do not support. Or perhaps if > >> 8GB in particular has been tested. It would be nice to know exactly what > >> is supported, as those 8GB cards are getting cheap lately. We might have > >> to wait for the first phones to ship to know for sure what will or will > >> not work. Right now, only the OM dev team at FIC could test it for sure, > >> and they are kind of busy getting mass production going. I think I'd > >> rather have them do that and test the microSD size limits later. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>From wikipedia entry on current sd cards: > >> > >>Memory capacity = (C_SIZE+1) * 512 K = (222-1+1) * 512 K = > >> (4194304-1+1) > >>* 512K = 2147483648 K = 2048 GB > >> > >>So you're probally good. > >> > >> > >> > >>-Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >> Giorgio M. > >>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:53 AM > >>To: List for Openmoko community discussion > >>Subject: microSD support > >> > >> > >>I know that freerunner will support MicroSD memory. > >> > >>I want know wich capacity it will support?can i use 8GB > >> microSD?? > >> > >>what is the limit? > >> > >>thanks > >> > >> > >>___ > >>Openmoko community mailing list > >>community@lists.openmoko.org > >>http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > >>___ > >>Openmoko community mailing list > >>community@lists.openmoko.org > >>http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Openmoko community mailing list > >> community@lists.openmoko.org > >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
Kevin Dean schrieb: > It's also worth noting that the 32GB limit is also artificial. 2048GB > is the technical limit for SDHC, if I recall correctly. > but did you ever think of Ram usage at this sizes? it would exeed the neo by far - thats why microsoft limitad the size and thats why unix did it different from the beginning. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
It's also worth noting that the 32GB limit is also artificial. 2048GB is the technical limit for SDHC, if I recall correctly. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Stefan Misch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Crane, Matthew wrote: >> >> The SD card association has limtied the size of sdhc to 32gb, the max >> size of a fat32 system. > > I just want to give a short note that this is not true. Fat32 supports > partition size of up to 2TiB. Microsoft artificially limited Windows 2000 > and following to be able to create Fat32 partitions of max 32GiB. Using > other tools to create them (such as "mkfs.vfat") it's still possible to > create those partitions. And Windows reads and writes to them. > > Of course now that there's a reasonable stable NTFS access from Linux it > doesn't matter that much anymore but a few years back this was quite a pain > in the ass. > > just my 0.02€ > Stefan > > >> No doubt there's a lot of crappy SD cards out there that don't comply >> well to standard interfaces though, but unless you're really really >> skimping there's likely nothing to worry about with any common microsd >> cards. >> You could even support larger cards because we aren't limited to fat32 >> on a linux phone. >> But has anybody found an SD card that doesn't work with existing >> hardware?? I only wish I had hardware so I can't test the few cards I >> have.. Matt >> >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Tabbal >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:52 AM >> To: List for Openmoko community discussion >> Subject: Re: microSD support >> >> >> I think he's asking if the phone will support SDHC, which is required >> for larger cards and many older devices do not support. Or perhaps if >> 8GB in particular has been tested. It would be nice to know exactly what >> is supported, as those 8GB cards are getting cheap lately. We might have >> to wait for the first phones to ship to know for sure what will or will >> not work. Right now, only the OM dev team at FIC could test it for sure, >> and they are kind of busy getting mass production going. I think I'd >> rather have them do that and test the microSD size limits later. >> >> >> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>From wikipedia entry on current sd cards: >> >>Memory capacity = (C_SIZE+1) * 512 K = (222-1+1) * 512 K = >> (4194304-1+1) >>* 512K = 2147483648 K = 2048 GB >> >>So you're probally good. >> >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Giorgio M. >>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:53 AM >>To: List for Openmoko community discussion >>Subject: microSD support >> >> >>I know that freerunner will support MicroSD memory. >> >>I want know wich capacity it will support?can i use 8GB >> microSD?? >> >>what is the limit? >> >>thanks >> >> >>___ >>Openmoko community mailing list >>community@lists.openmoko.org >>http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >>___ >>Openmoko community mailing list >>community@lists.openmoko.org >>http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
Crane, Matthew wrote: The SD card association has limtied the size of sdhc to 32gb, the max size of a fat32 system. I just want to give a short note that this is not true. Fat32 supports partition size of up to 2TiB. Microsoft artificially limited Windows 2000 and following to be able to create Fat32 partitions of max 32GiB. Using other tools to create them (such as "mkfs.vfat") it's still possible to create those partitions. And Windows reads and writes to them. Of course now that there's a reasonable stable NTFS access from Linux it doesn't matter that much anymore but a few years back this was quite a pain in the ass. just my 0.02€ Stefan No doubt there's a lot of crappy SD cards out there that don't comply well to standard interfaces though, but unless you're really really skimping there's likely nothing to worry about with any common microsd cards. You could even support larger cards because we aren't limited to fat32 on a linux phone. But has anybody found an SD card that doesn't work with existing hardware?? I only wish I had hardware so I can't test the few cards I have.. Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Tabbal Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:52 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: microSD support I think he's asking if the phone will support SDHC, which is required for larger cards and many older devices do not support. Or perhaps if 8GB in particular has been tested. It would be nice to know exactly what is supported, as those 8GB cards are getting cheap lately. We might have to wait for the first phones to ship to know for sure what will or will not work. Right now, only the OM dev team at FIC could test it for sure, and they are kind of busy getting mass production going. I think I'd rather have them do that and test the microSD size limits later. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From wikipedia entry on current sd cards: Memory capacity = (C_SIZE+1) * 512 K = (222-1+1) * 512 K = (4194304-1+1) * 512K = 2147483648 K = 2048 GB So you're probally good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Giorgio M. Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:53 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: microSD support I know that freerunner will support MicroSD memory. I want know wich capacity it will support?can i use 8GB microSD?? what is the limit? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Browser report of Wiki
On Fri, 09 May 2008 21:15:00 +0200, Casey Harkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Using a recent scaredycat snapshot: "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv4tl; c) AppleWebKit/525.1+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/525.1+) openmoko-browser2 Fear of being rejected as an unknown browser produces crazy UA strings. Just add MSIE and Opera to this string somewhere. -- Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Browser report of Wiki
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 09:04 +0100, Ivo Anjo wrote: > What UserAgent does the openmoko browser use? Or since it is webkit it > is counted as safari? > Using a recent scaredycat snapshot: "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv4tl; c) AppleWebKit/525.1+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/525.1+) openmoko-browser2 I'm not sure how google analytics treats that in their browser identification. -casey ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
On Fri, 9 May 2008, kid charlemagne wrote: I've done some extensive digging on the community site but it's very hard to tell what information is outdated, what information is current, and what information will be true in the future but not now. Specifically, before I buy a fresh GTA02, I would like to know: 1. Will it be usable as a simple GSM phone? Will I be able to reliably make and receive voice calls with it? I don't need fancy features right off the bat, but this is a bare minimum. I don't have answers to your other two questions, but I can help with this one :) The best source of information to answer that question is Kevin Dean's *excellent* snapshot reviews. He's been using a GTA01 with the same software that will be available for the GTA02 as his daily phone for quite some time now. If you read the most recent review, though, you'll find the phone doesn't always turn GSM back on after it's gone to sleep. While I'm sure "they" are working furiously to fix that problem, I think my personal advice would be: 1. As an opnmoko enthusiast, I would love for you to use the phone as your regular phone so the softwre gets more exposure to the world. 2. As an opnmoko enthusiast, I would not want you to use the phone in any situation where alpha or beta quality behavior from it will make you start telling your friends what an awful device / software it is, because it will almost certainly exhibit that behavior from time to time. - Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
I've done some extensive digging on the community site but it's very hard to tell what information is outdated, what information is current, and what information will be true in the future but not now. Specifically, before I buy a fresh GTA02, I would like to know: 1. Will it be usable as a simple GSM phone? Will I be able to reliably make and receive voice calls with it? I don't need fancy features right off the bat, but this is a bare minimum. 2. Is the battery life (in standby) "reasonable" at this point? I've lived for over 3 years with a phone that is good without charging for about only 35 hours or so, I define this as "reasonable" (not good, but reasonable). 3. I'm heading to Europe in June and would like to bring a GSM phone with me (the wifi capability would be nice too). Is it absurd to think that I could have one of these phones in my hand (in the USA) in the first week in June or is that wishful thinking? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: microSD support
I think it can be a more general then that. The cards that are supported would be any standards compliant card, and the adress space would be limited by what the kernel supports. The SD card association has limtied the size of sdhc to 32gb, the max size of a fat32 system. The kernel can support disks this large as can the mmc card driver. No doubt there's a lot of crappy SD cards out there that don't comply well to standard interfaces though, but unless you're really really skimping there's likely nothing to worry about with any common microsd cards. You could even support larger cards because we aren't limited to fat32 on a linux phone. But has anybody found an SD card that doesn't work with existing hardware?? I only wish I had hardware so I can't test the few cards I have.. Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Tabbal Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 9:52 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: microSD support I think he's asking if the phone will support SDHC, which is required for larger cards and many older devices do not support. Or perhaps if 8GB in particular has been tested. It would be nice to know exactly what is supported, as those 8GB cards are getting cheap lately. We might have to wait for the first phones to ship to know for sure what will or will not work. Right now, only the OM dev team at FIC could test it for sure, and they are kind of busy getting mass production going. I think I'd rather have them do that and test the microSD size limits later. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >From wikipedia entry on current sd cards: Memory capacity = (C_SIZE+1) * 512 K = (222-1+1) * 512 K = (4194304-1+1) * 512K = 2147483648 K = 2048 GB So you're probally good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Giorgio M. Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:53 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: microSD support I know that freerunner will support MicroSD memory. I want know wich capacity it will support?can i use 8GB microSD?? what is the limit? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
> From: Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On pe, 2008-05-09 at 16:48 +0200, thomasg wrote: > > There's a list of supported microSDs for GTA01 on the wiki. I'm pretty > > sure that there wil be no difference in GTA02. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards > > Actually GTA01 is not a good comparison in this case because the microSD > reader in GTA02 is hooked up to the GPU, as opposed to the SoC, so it's > quite a low-level difference. (I have an 8 GB one in my GTA01 myself.) > > That said, Joachim verifying a 4 GB card working gives good reason to > assume pretty much any SDHC will. > > -- > Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > University of Helsinki > Mikko, if you have an 8 GB micro-sd working in your GTA01, could you update http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards with it? I don't see any 8 GB confirmed on that page... Thanks! Bobby -- If it doesn't make you smile, you're doing something wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
On pe, 2008-05-09 at 16:48 +0200, thomasg wrote: > There's a list of supported microSDs for GTA01 on the wiki. I'm pretty > sure that there wil be no difference in GTA02. > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards Actually GTA01 is not a good comparison in this case because the microSD reader in GTA02 is hooked up to the GPU, as opposed to the SoC, so it's quite a low-level difference. (I have an 8 GB one in my GTA01 myself.) That said, Joachim verifying a 4 GB card working gives good reason to assume pretty much any SDHC will. -- Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> University of Helsinki ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Travis Tabbal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think he's asking if the phone will support SDHC, which is required for > larger cards and many older devices do not support. Or perhaps if 8GB in > particular has been tested. It would be nice to know exactly what is > supported, as those 8GB cards are getting cheap lately. We might have to > wait for the first phones to ship to know for sure what will or will not > work. Right now, only the OM dev team at FIC could test it for sure, and > they are kind of busy getting mass production going. I think I'd rather have > them do that and test the microSD size limits later. There's a list of supported microSDs for GTA01 on the wiki. I'm pretty sure that there wil be no difference in GTA02. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
I think he's asking if the phone will support SDHC, which is required for larger cards and many older devices do not support. Or perhaps if 8GB in particular has been tested. It would be nice to know exactly what is supported, as those 8GB cards are getting cheap lately. We might have to wait for the first phones to ship to know for sure what will or will not work. Right now, only the OM dev team at FIC could test it for sure, and they are kind of busy getting mass production going. I think I'd rather have them do that and test the microSD size limits later. On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Crane, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From wikipedia entry on current sd cards: > > Memory capacity = (C_SIZE+1) * 512 K = (222-1+1) * 512 K = (4194304-1+1) > * 512K = 2147483648 K = 2048 GB > > So you're probally good. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Giorgio M. > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:53 AM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: microSD support > > > I know that freerunner will support MicroSD memory. > > I want know wich capacity it will support?can i use 8GB microSD?? > > what is the limit? > > thanks > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microSD support
Giorgio M. wrote: > I know that freerunner will support MicroSD memory. yes > I want know wich capacity it will support?can i use 8GB microSD?? yes. all SD and SDHC compatible cards should work. tested with 4gbyte myself. -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
I think it is like 10+1 phone! Shawn wrote: If a member of our group wants to purchase the debug board, can we order that at the same time (and have it shipped together), or should he order that on his own? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
Hi steve, thanks for the updates. I have a few additional questions on group purchase: Can we pay the group payment via paypal? If a member of our group wants to purchase the debug board, can we order that at the same time (and have it shipped together), or should he order that on his own? Thanks! . . .shawn - Original Message From: steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: List for Openmoko community discussion Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 9:20:38 PM Subject: RE: questions for steve regarding group purchases The 10 pack will have to be ordered by one person. It will ship to that persons location. Now, how will people arrange to do this? I thought long and hard about this. And then I realized that some people will find one way, one guy pays and others promise to pay him. Some people will find another way, half up front and half on delivery. Some people will do contracts. Some people will just choose to do a single phone. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:50 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: questions for steve regarding group purchases steve, what methods are being considered by openmoko for group purchasing? most of us do now know the other members of a group and would like some security that the group organised is not able to run off with the money - are openmoko willing to engage in purchases via escrow agents? or is it a case of 'sort it our amongst yourselves, all we want is a c card number or paypal account'? if the latter is the case, is there anything/anyone openmoko or anyone else here can recommend for making sure things go smoothly? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: microSD support
>From wikipedia entry on current sd cards: Memory capacity = (C_SIZE+1) * 512 K = (222-1+1) * 512 K = (4194304-1+1) * 512K = 2147483648 K = 2048 GB So you're probally good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Giorgio M. Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:53 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: microSD support I know that freerunner will support MicroSD memory. I want know wich capacity it will support?can i use 8GB microSD?? what is the limit? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
microSD support
I know that freerunner will support MicroSD memory. I want know wich capacity it will support?can i use 8GB microSD?? what is the limit? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is anyone else getting 2 or 3 copies of every mails?
El Friday, 9 de May de 2008 04:37:47 steve va escriure: > ya. me too I ve searched my copy of the list messages and some of them have your openmoko.org email in TO: and CC: headers. And Change the MUA >;) (X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Browser report of Wiki
What UserAgent does the openmoko browser use? Or since it is webkit it is counted as safari? Ivo On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 4:28 AM, BrendaWang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All: > Attached file is the Browser report of WIKI. > Period : > 1, April~7,May > > Brenda > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
XSPF generator
Hi, Is there a XSPF generator for openmoko already? I just want to a function that after I copy the MP3 from PC to openmoko, then I press a button, this will cause the XSPF file to be updated all accroding the MP3s that I have uploaded. That is read the ID3tag info into a XSPF file. Thanks. Bin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
