Re: Why not use forum?
Am 18.06.2008 um 21:08 schrieb Stroller: > > On 18 Jun 2008, at 12:45, Ewan Marshall wrote: >> ... >> Also how do you get unread message notification on forums? >> ... forums only do whole threads, not individual post in thread. > > I've started using a new forum recently, there being no mailing-lists > I can find for this particular subject, and am reminded how damned > irritating this is. Which forum software is there in use? There are differnt ones. > > > The forum software shows which threads have new messages, but when I > click on them I'm shown the whole page of upto 40 messages. I scroll > through them and find something interesting, only to realise that I > already read that message yesterday. I then have to scroll all the > way to the bottom of the page to work out which messages within the > thread are new. If the thread is a long one I have to then go to the > next page & do the same thing again. > > This is the fundamental failing of forums, IMO, but the lack of Is the generalization to all fora software systems valid? > > automatic quoting is also a considerable hindrance. As the thread I know many fora which have automatic quoting. > > drifts away from the original topic you can't tell who is replying to > whom. It is impossible to know what someone is referring to when they > make a short post such as "I have that one too, and it's great" - is > it the original device described in the message topic, or the > alternative suggested by Dave a few posts in? That is the same with mails (IMHO even worse). My conclusion of all those discussions is: We need both in parallel. Each system has its benefits and let's decide users themselves. So please let this mailing list exist! And if (and only if) you are interested in a forum or someone asks you why not to use a forum, please refer to existing fora as e.g.: http://forums.makeopensource.com http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=161 http://www.neo1973-germany.de (German) Please also note that fora become more valuable by heavy useage. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
My conclusion of all those discussions is: We need both in parallel. Since there was no entry in the Wikii, I have created one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Discussion_Forums Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
I think the right way is to register openmoko mailing list at something like Nabble. This way we will not separate forum and mailing list users. If someone likes forum - he will have a possibility to post on a forum, and m-l users will receive an e-mail and vice versa. I think mailing list admin has to register at Nabble. What do you think about this? On 6/19/08, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My conclusion of all those discussions is: > > We need both in parallel. > > Since there was no entry in the Wikii, I have created one: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Discussion_Forums > > Nikolaus > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko at Irish Open Source Technology Conference
Sorry for the late notice, but I thought I should let you know that I'll be talking about Openmoko today at the Irish Open Source Technology Conference in Dublin: http://iotc.firstport.ie/lecture/36/ (Since I was traveling and didn't get the description to the conference organizers in time, thanks to Brian for studying our mailing lists and web sites and pulling together the fine description you see!) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
Op Thursday 19 June 2008 08:40:58 schreef Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: > Am 18.06.2008 um 21:08 schrieb Stroller: > > On 18 Jun 2008, at 12:45, Ewan Marshall wrote: > >> ... > >> Also how do you get unread message notification on forums? > >> ... forums only do whole threads, not individual post in thread. > > > > I've started using a new forum recently, there being no mailing-lists > > I can find for this particular subject, and am reminded how damned > > irritating this is. > > Which forum software is there in use? There are differnt ones. > > > The forum software shows which threads have new messages, but when I > > click on them I'm shown the whole page of upto 40 messages. I scroll > > through them and find something interesting, only to realise that I > > already read that message yesterday. I then have to scroll all the > > way to the bottom of the page to work out which messages within the > > thread are new. If the thread is a long one I have to then go to the > > next page & do the same thing again. > > > > This is the fundamental failing of forums, IMO, but the lack of > > Is the generalization to all fora software systems valid? I know in phpBB there's a link to the messages from the specified thread you haven't read yet. > > > automatic quoting is also a considerable hindrance. As the thread > > I know many fora which have automatic quoting. > > > drifts away from the original topic you can't tell who is replying to > > whom. It is impossible to know what someone is referring to when they > > make a short post such as "I have that one too, and it's great" - is > > it the original device described in the message topic, or the > > alternative suggested by Dave a few posts in? > > That is the same with mails (IMHO even worse). > > My conclusion of all those discussions is: > > We need both in parallel. > Each system has its benefits and let's decide > users themselves. > > So please let this mailing list exist! > > And if (and only if) you are interested in a forum or someone asks you > why not to use a forum, > please refer to existing fora as e.g.: > http://forums.makeopensource.com > > http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=161 > > http://www.neo1973-germany.de (German) > > Please also note that fora become more valuable by heavy useage. > > Nikolaus signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
Am 19.06.2008 um 10:52 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I think the right way is to register openmoko mailing list at > something like Nabble. > This way we will not separate forum and mailing list users. If someone IMHO they are already separated by different expectations that are simply not fulfilled. Otherwise the topic would not reappear every 3 months. In the long run I think we must give up the idea of a single solution fits all. > likes forum - he will have a possibility to post on a forum, and m-l > users will receive an e-mail and vice versa. For those who really like a forum such a gateway is not a really acceptable solution and does not solve the problem in features and useability they have. Unfortunately, the mailing list users usually have not the experience to deeply understand the differences. Therefore, my conclusion is that both should simply exist (and can be used how people prefer it). > I think mailing list admin has to register at Nabble. > What do you think about this? Yes. Should IMHO also be done. And then listed on the new Wiki page. > > > On 6/19/08, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> My conclusion of all those discussions is: >> >> We need both in parallel. >> >> Since there was no entry in the Wikii, I have created one: >> >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Discussion_Forums >> >> Nikolaus >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Delay is getting worse...
It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use forum) I check this box at leas once an hour and I can tell this is not good. I've been in this list for a while and I used to get the messages as soon as posted. Pleas, do somehing about it. Even my own mails get at least two hours after I send them. Thanks Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MokoMakefile Build Issues
I'm attempting to build an ASU image from the asu.stable branch on a Debian Etch system (AMD64 arch) using MokoMakefile. I've edited the makefile to echo gta02 to local.conf instead of 01 and changed GIT_BRANCH to asu.stable. I've also followed the wiki instructions for building an image but there is the first error for me. Running make update gives me the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/moko$ make update ( cd bitbake && \ ( git branch | egrep -e ' bitbake-om$' > /dev/null || \ git checkout -b bitbake-om --track origin/bitbake-om )) ( cd bitbake && \ git checkout bitbake-om && \ git fetch && \ git rebase origin/bitbake-om ) fatal: Needed a single revision invalid upstream origin/bitbake-om make: *** [update-bitbake] Error 1 When building openmoko-qtopia-x11-image it seems to work properly up until it attempts to build qtopia-phone-x11 which throws the errors found at http://pastebin.com/m362d7e90 I've followed the wiki instructions, including cleaning the failed package and trying thrice before complaining. :) I'd really like to build my own images, since it appears the images on the official buildhost are constantly out of date. Any help in resolving these issues would be greatly appreciated! -Kevin Dean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Delay is getting worse...
As an experiment, this mail was sent at 7:33pm UTC. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last > mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is > from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use > forum) > > I check this box at leas once an hour and I can > tell this is not good. I've been in this list for > a while and I used to get the messages as soon as > posted. Pleas, do somehing about it. Even my own > mails get at least two hours after I send them. > > Thanks > > Kosa > > - Un mundo mejor es posible - > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Delay is getting worse...
You need to post the message headers for anyone to be able to do anything about it. I believe there was a request to send them to the bug tracker. On 6/19/08, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last > mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is > from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use > forum) > > I check this box at leas once an hour and I can > tell this is not good. I've been in this list for > a while and I used to get the messages as soon as > posted. Pleas, do somehing about it. Even my own > mails get at least two hours after I send them. > > Thanks > > Kosa > > - Un mundo mejor es posible - > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Delay is getting worse...
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Re: Delay is getting worse...
arrived in my box at 9:00pm UTC. this mail was sent at 9:03pm UTC. Federico Lorenzi schrieb: > As an experiment, this mail was sent at 7:33pm UTC. > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last >> mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is >> from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use >> forum) >> >> I check this box at leas once an hour and I can >> tell this is not good. I've been in this list for >> a while and I used to get the messages as soon as >> posted. Pleas, do somehing about it. Even my own >> mails get at least two hours after I send them. >> >> Thanks >> >> Kosa >> >> - Un mundo mejor es posible - >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Enough already (too many posts about forum vs. mail lists)
People, It's time to end the infinite string of emails about using a forum vs not using one. NOW! For $diety's sake, don't those interested in the world's first completely open mobile phone/portable computer have something of substance to chat about? How about discussing the mechanics and schedule for getting OpenMoko so-called "ASU" to released, stable software? enough already. [smile] Ron K. Jeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Enough already (too many posts about forum vs. mail lists)
Amen, brother Ron! :-) Ron K. Jeffries wrote: > People, > > It's time to end the infinite string of emails about > using a forum vs not using one. NOW! > > For $diety's sake, don't those interested in the world's > first completely open mobile phone/portable computer > have something of substance to chat about? > > How about discussing the mechanics and schedule for > getting OpenMoko so-called "ASU" > to released, stable software? > > enough already. > > [smile] > > Ron K. Jeffries > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Delay is getting worse...
Here it is: > Received: from sita.openmoko.org (sita.openmoko.org [88.198.124.203]) >by circe.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C2133F5B >for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:25:10 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sita.openmoko.org) >by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) >(envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >id 1K9PGp-0007oW-Td; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:54:07 +0200 The message is recieved by openmoko at 20:54:07 +0200, but doesn't forward it along until 22:25:10 +0200. You should file a bug report to ensure someone looks into it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: [ ~102731 ] voice driver
HI there, Just letting you all know that it seems the idea of using a pci express voice modem with the openmoko software will be limited by the manufacturers. They appear to not be interested in supporting communities of users but rather individual business clients ... I quote them : "openmoko.org can contact us directly if they wish to work with us." Matt -- Forwarded message -- From: Matt Flax Date: Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ ~102731 ] voice driver To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK - so in short you have no interest in supporting Linux voice ... no problem, I find that attitude rather limiting and lazy ... as you know Linux is pretty uniform ... you could also provide a complete kernel driver for open source developers ... whether it uses the ALSA audio drivers or a custom IOCTL mechanism ... doesn't really matter and doesn't really require you to interact with each manufacturer ... thanks Matt On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 05:53:00PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello Matt, > Please find my answers below. > Thanks. > > > 1) If I purchase one of these devices, do I acquire the necessary > documentation for me to code the voice driver alone ??? Surely you > would like me to use the full capacity of the voice modem ! > > ---We do not work with end users on minicard integration, only with laptop manufacturers. Every laptop model/brand require a specific integration solution, so there is no generic solution or firmware or drivers. > There is no Linux driver with voice support and there is no ETA on it. > > Anyway, you can contact one of our distributors below and try to purchase a modem. The support will be provided by them. > http://www.sierrawireless.com/partnersresellers/partners.aspx > > 2) openmoko.org is both a hardware and a software ... they are both also > open source ... I bet that doesn't fit with your current model of > 'manufacturers' ... > openmoko.org can contact us directly if they wish to work with us. > > 3) If you don't fit this new model ... you will run into problems ... > look at the ASUS EEE PC ... it runs Linux ... It has a spare PCI > express slot ... > > --- I've checked the spec on ASUS EEE PC and i dont see a spare PCI-mini Express > slot which you need to insert a minicard. > look at the KB article below. We have developed and tested the driver for ASUS EEE PC ( USB cards) . The ASUS can contact us directly if they want to discuss more options. > > http://www.sierrawireless.com/faq/ShowFAQ.aspx?ID=1231 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Enough already (too many posts about forum vs. mail lists)
You really should post that on the forum. :) -Kevin On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Ron K. Jeffries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People, > > It's time to end the infinite string of emails about > using a forum vs not using one. NOW! > > For $diety's sake, don't those interested in the world's > first completely open mobile phone/portable computer > have something of substance to chat about? > > How about discussing the mechanics and schedule for > getting OpenMoko so-called "ASU" > to released, stable software? > > enough already. > > [smile] > > Ron K. Jeffries > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Enough already (too many posts about forum vs. mail lists)
Am 20.06.2008 um 03:23 schrieb Kevin Dean: > You really should post that on the forum. :) Yes, please identify one at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Discussion_Forums > > > -Kevin > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Ron K. Jeffries > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> People, >> >> It's time to end the infinite string of emails about >> using a forum vs not using one. NOW! >> >> For $diety's sake, don't those interested in the world's >> first completely open mobile phone/portable computer >> have something of substance to chat about? >> >> How about discussing the mechanics and schedule for >> getting OpenMoko so-called "ASU" >> to released, stable software? >> >> enough already. >> >> [smile] >> >> Ron K. Jeffries >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
